Judgment Day Is Coming For Naughty Dog
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We've had a lot of news surrounding Naughty Dog over the last couple of weeks. Neil Druckmann talked about the development process for their next game, assembling a writers room and turning it into a more collaborative effort. A popular leaker by the name of ViewerAnon on Twitter suggested that Naughty Dog's next game would not be a new IP, but in fact be The Last of Us Part 3. In this video, I talk about what I think the consequences would be of choosing to go with another sequel to The Last of Us 2 after its controversial reception. I also discuss a little bit about its sales, and the future of Factions 2, which should be coming out in 2023 but still hasn't seen any trailer or gameplay. Thanks for watching!
0:00 Uncertain times for Naughty Dog
2:06 Aftermath of The Last of Us Part II
6:03 Factions 2 shouldn't be underestimated
9:31 Neil Druckmann talks about his next game, structured like a TV show
14:09 Popular leaker claims The Last of Us 3 is ND's next game
15:43 Reflecting on the sales of TLOU2
18:17 Judgment Day is coming for Naughty Dog - Hry
Hey everyone, I wanna wish you all a happy new year and hope nothing but the best for you all in 2023! With a lot of news over the past weeks surrounding Naughty Dog and their upcoming projects, I figured I'd give you all my thoughts on where I think the company currently stands and what's going to be next. Don't forget to subscribe and hit the notification bell, as I plan to continue making weekly videos like this on the latest gaming news and topics! Thanks for watching :)
I’m ready for a new IP tbh
Quick question who's your favorite developer now? Since it's now Naught Dog.
There was not much controversial reception to The Last of Us Part 2 outside of some snowflake hysteria about the leaks. More Game of the Year awards than any other game in history, ten million plus in sales, 93 on metacritic, and obviously enough succcess for Sony to bet on the series more than any other series. Just because some hysterical babies online got upset about girls kissing and review-bombed the thing doesn't take anything away from the near uniformity of the approval it got outside of the more sensitive corners of the web
Gelukkig nieuwjaar Robbin.
@@magnusalexander2965 There was definitely a lot of division regarding the game, I know plenty of people personally that don't really engage in these internet discussions and didn't like the game. You really seem to be the "hysterical" one, seriously, read your comment again, that came out of nowhere and it made no sense to reply to Robin's comment instead of posting a normal one
Naughty Dog lost all my respect with TLOU 2 - the game broke my heart for the wrong reasons
right , lesbian scene like eli and dina fk this hate this story not good ubt gameplay mechanic and graphic so good
I think it's just a shift from most game developers. They want to announce projects closer to when they're actually going to release. What's the point of announcing a title and then it not coming out for four years? The hype will die down quickly and there's nothing they can do PR wise to make weekly updates that are interesting.
Excited to see Factions.
Bethesda softworks could use a lesson in that
EA just did that with the new Need For Speed game. Caught everyone off guard and combined with the new look and aesthetic that game has it definitely captured a lot of buzz and audience engagement.
3 months would be perfect
Also ND said it's to create less pressure on staff and thereby reduce crunch. It's a good thing that more studios need to adopt.
Druckmens proposal for a better sequel
Part 3 will have
- twice as many lesbians
- main character will be trans
- no straight white men
Druckmen used to be a good writer but he's not what he used to be. They need to find a replacement
Part 3 sounds good to me
I suspect Bruce Straley did most of the writing for the original TLOU. Druckmann was just the PR song and dance man.
@@Shimmed that would make a lot of sense. I remember watching a conversation between Herman Hulst from Guerilla games and Neil Druckman pre horizon launch.
Druckman was asking obsessive questions about the protagonist being a strong female character. Herman said it wasn't even a consideration, it just fit the story he wanted to tell.
Says a lot about how Druckman goes about writing characters. I imagine he decides the political statement then molds a story around that.
Like you said, I'm now apathetic about Naughty Dog.
I used to have them on a pedestal, but now I just don't care that much.
Good luck to them.
Sorta like Blizzard. I'd love everything they'd put out, but now they've fallen far.
@@Voltroc the difference is that that Blizzard did actual wrong to people, while ND just made a purposely controversial story. Not comparable.
Boycott till Neil is fired. He ruined the company
@@PassportGaming makes one controversial game, and apparently he needs to lose his job. Wow.
@@PassportGaming More like he made the company as famous as it is now. He was the main writer of all their best received games: UC2, UC4, TLOU and TLoU2. He didn't write for UC3, and the difference between UC2 and UC3 was glaring.
I miss uncharted 2 multiplayer. Man that was fun
The best multi-player in the series. Uc3 was decent but naughty dog ruined uc4 by trying to shove the last of us multi-player into uc. I'm still hoping if naughty dog isn't a part of uc5 (or whatever they end up calling it) to return the game back to its golden roots. Or just make uc2 and uc3 multi-player into live service would be epic too
@FiresprayXL bruh if they brought a uncharted 2 multiplayer to ps5, PC that'd be dope
Me too, pal.
My favorite multiplayer is part 2, but part 3 had the best multiplayer!! Some of those maps are insane!!
@@danzig3764 I heard part 3 had a really good multiplayer, I wanted to try it out, only had a chance to play 2 multiplayer and 4
The indifference I feel towards naughty dog and their games is scaring me. I used to get so excited by the slightest mention of naughty dog and their future games. Now, I don't care they can do whatever they want.
no reason for it to scare you. just let go of gaming like i have. im sick of woke mental illness infecting everything. just let it go.
@@fuhoo5836 Old games are still gold.
Byeeeeeeeeeee we will still be playing
@@CJB44 not many of you if you looked a Witcher blood origin
@@hollow9946 no one liked that show bro
I am one of the people who never actually asked for a sequel to TLOU. The first game worked perfectly as a standalone experience. Not everything needs to be a franchise.
There are three main reasons I refuse to appreciate TLOU2. First, it's the crunch. I will never understand how this game won the Best Game Direction when it got leaked before it released and Druckmann forced his employees to overwork 100+ hours on the game, thus causing employees to leave the company. If you defend something like this, you are not a good person.
Second, the story was done with favoritism rather than using logic. Joel's death was never the problem, it's the way it was set up. The fanboys will always use the excuse of "He got soft for five years, which why he is trusting strangers now" but it seems like they forget that Stranger Danger is relevant no matter the setting, the time and the location. Abby never did anything for Joel and Tommy to earn her trust. I'd take "show, don't tell" over exposition anyday. Also, Abby's campaign feels like it could have been done without Joel and Ellie involved. Most of the events have nothing to do with them.
Thirdly, this game did nothing new, both gameplay wise and story. What new things did they add within the gameplay? A jump button? Been a thing since Mario and it's so useless in this game. Going prone? Metal Gear Solid 3 did it first. Dodging? God of War would like to have a word with ya. The story itself is just a boring revenge story which steals the plot concept from Silent Hill 3 and the risks from Metal Gear Solid 2.
The game isn't necessarily bad but it never deserved the high reception. I will never listen to critics ever again and you shouldn't too.
I didn't play the game but your take is similar to my conclusion based on what I've heard and read, perhaps except for the gameplay which many think is good. I would've given TLOU2 a chance, but Druckman's arrogant marketing, aggressive woketivism and his fanboys turned me off (though disgruntled gamers also played a significant role in adding toxicity to the controversy).
Agreed with the no need for the sequel. TLOU was a self conclusive masterpiece. It's sad the only games that don't get a sequel are those that sold poorly or were outright bad.
@@EyobFitwi I didn't say the gameplay wasn't good. It's just nothing original. It's the same as the first game, but with a jump mechanic, prone and dodging. That's pretty much it. The gameplay can be a lot of fun, no matter if it's new or old.
What new gamplay mechanic would you suggest? A character that levitates constantly? They shoot out their mouth instead of a gun? I mean I understand your argument if someone says "we've never seen a character go prone before". But people say those things are new to the TLOU franchise, not gaming in general and are an improvement on the gameplay and world exploration of the original. An example is the semi open settings in part 2, they are an absolute master stroke on how to make improvements on a previous installment. Is that concept original? No. I'm not defending the narrative of part 2, but to say its gameplay isn't an improvement on the first is flat out incorrect in my opinion.
Besides, what is fresh and new these days? If you live by your reasons to hate on TLOU 2 because it "stole" ideas from other games, then you should be applying that to 99% of any art created. It all steals ideas from something that came before. Without that we wouldn't have great movies, tv shows, games, podcasts, books, etc releasing as regularly as it does. What is important is to continue acknowledging the sources an artist borrows from, but not say something is crap because of that practice.
I really wish Naughty Dog went the Insomniac route. Capable of putting out The Last of Us, but also capable of putting out a Jak & Daxter. J&D fans wouldn’t be neglected and both teams could share their expertise with each other.
For real, I wish they would do Jak and Daxter again it’s been too long
What is jax and darter?
@@lewis-da search it up
No one cares about Jak and Daxter. Tlou and uncharted is what ND is known for.
@@notnero5280 maybe YOU don't care about it but others do
ND clearly has no idea how much Part II has damaged the IP
Nobody knows for sure how much "damage" was done. We won't know until the sequel is released. If it sells 10 M + again I dont think it will be an issue
Destroyed it IMHO. I'll never buy a ND game again without watching genuine reviews by CZcamsrs. Any sign of Woke and I'm not playing it.
I still would argue that this franchise is still more beloved than hated even with the controversy part 2 came with. Many would love to see a continuation of the story.
Did this game sell well. I clearly remember stores were heavily discounting Tlou2 only weeks after release as no one was buying it.
@@mig1017 it sold 10 mil + copies and I believe it was confirmed to be profitable
Man, always feels good to see a robingaming video. It's been so many years since uncharted 3 was in my life but i still think about it surprisingly often. One of the best experiences with any form of media i've ever had.
If I were naughty dog I would cancel part 3 redo part 2 and hire some naughty dog employees to start their own IPs
TLOU2 was a line in the sand in gaming that I'm not willing to cross. Naughty Dog is dead to me. I doubt I am alone.
Avid gamer of 30+ years, and I buy 10 to 20 games a year. I played and loved Uncharted 1-3 and tolerated the doo-doo script at the end of 4. TLOU1 was a gaming culture event and I enjoyed being part of it.
Get woke, go broke. I’m so glad more ppl are speaking out about this and voting with their wallets. Most ppl don’t want that stuff
@@exoo-2801 They move some copies of TLOU2 but they dropped the price of the game only a month or so after release because it wasn't selling at the pace of the first game.
I hope its a new IP. We are seriously starved of new creative ideas, in this industry and every other. I just want something new and different
Nah they're working on that multiplayer tlou game and tlou 3.
@@stefandinu6389 they do have a rumored new ip for this gen as well.
And I hope the new IP isn't a shooter.
same
At the heart is Neil's being disingenuous to the established lore and used his godly powers to break established characters just to fulfill his narrative. Joel can definitely die but in way that honors his existing character and wit. All you need is to create another scenario where Ellie learnt the truth, got emotional, put herself in danger, Joel again wrecked havoc but sacrificed himself at the end to save Ellie's life and finally earned her forgiveness. Player expect the story to be of high quality like the first one and Neil disappointed us.
Yeah please, make a cheap Hollywood movie out of TLOU, that’s being true to the established lore..
you guys are funny, saying that the guy who created the lore isn’t true to it, because yeah, it isn’t what you liked it to be.
Part II, Joel’s Death, is as grimm and dissatisfieng as the world of TLOU always was, that’s how reality is. No NPC that Joel or Ellie kill in these games gets a honorable death, why should they then be a exception? Had Joel’s daughter a honorable Death? And why would he in a world like this, killing so many people? That’s not how things work in a world like this. If you want this fluffy hollywood-esque story’s, you probably look somewhere else than TLOU‘s world.
@vinylrichiejr.2416 You can talk shit all you want,BUT TLOU2 story is garbage, and the sales show it.
@@FilipVkv ok the original TLOU sold till 2019 (in six years) about 18 million, TLOU Part 2 sold till 2022 (in two years) 10 million copies. Part 2 even outsold Spider-Man and God of War at its first weekend as they did in their first weekend. So what again should these sales numbers show according to you?
Saying the story is garbage is garbage. You could say you don’t like it or it didn’t hold up to the first one or something like that, but to say it’s garbage is just showing that your „opinion“ on these things isn’t worth much. And I can tell you it is for me one of the emotionally most challenging storys in a game till now, and a lot of people will tell you the same thing. You probably let yourself distract from bullshit others tried to convince of, but that is on you, cause you missed something really special because of this.
The thing is the story isn’t what some fans expected, but it’s what made sense in the cruel world of TLOU, and that’s how you stay true to your art. If you can’t cope with it, watch some Marvel or the Star Wars reboots, but in a world like TLOU‘s things have consequences.
@@vinylrichiejr.2416 story is still garbage
Cope
@@vinylrichiejr.2416 and for a 1st party Sony studio like fucking ND to sell only 10mil is emberasing,GOWR sold 11mil in 3 months
This kind of videos is why your channel is special, all the best Robin
I want a new IP or a return to an older one.
Last of Us 3 can take it’s time to come out after they’ve had time to hopefully make something people enjoy and let the anger and bad vibes fade a bit.
Plus, I just don’t really care about a Last of Us 3 anymore because narratively, I don’t see a place it can go that will be fulfilling.
Journey to finding/creating a vaccine….concluding the game and curing the virus. How does that sound?
@@GascoigneJr If it ended with a happily ever fairy tale ending, that would just make the series even worse, there's no fixing the world, especially since all the "cure" would do is just make it so people can't get infected (which if TLoU2 is anything to go off of, isn't that big of an issue anyways). It doesn't fix all the infected still in the world, or all the evil survivor groups like David's group, the Seraphites, the WLF, etc
Calling it now, there’s going to be a talking infected
Possibly since it’s an infected who’s brain wasent completely fucked up but their body on the other hand
I see mushrooms taking up most of their body
Make sense a little? A talking infected bit of a open ending no?
@@GascoigneJr it would be worse. After all the terrible things that happened in TLOU 2 having a happy ending would be bullshit. Besides, they said the only doctor that could make a vaccine (Abby’s dad) is dead, and even if they made one the world was already doomed, nothing would change. It would just make the series have been something like The Flash’s tv show, starting off good and slowly getting worse.
@@Freelancer837 it’s not gonna be a happy ending if it ended the way u just described it, which is my point.
What a pleasant new year treat. Here's a a healthy, happy, and prosperous 2023 to you Robingaming!
The original MGS3 has more innovation in gameplay that TLOU2 ever brought. The plot holes and the suspension of disbelief required to take the game seriously is astounding, with political innuendos on top of it all. But even worse is the fact that I for instance fell for their deceptive marketing given how I avoided leaks at all costs. ND lost my trust as a consumer. Mind you I am a 4x Level 999 on Factions.
Dude, Kojima lost all trust when he launched MGS2 with all fake ass trailers with a gay protagonist.
You're sure 10m copies sold is profitable?
Well let's go ahead and go the extra mile:
TLOU2's budget was 200m (100m production, 100m marketing), this is already a bloated budget for a videogame. However, a full-priced AAA copy of a videogame only brings 14 bucks for the developer, the rest going to distribution and publisher costs. That brings us to only 140m for 10m, which is not profitable given the bloated budget.
But that's not all: This is 10m *lifetime* sales, meaning not all copies were sold at full-price. Some weren't even sold for any price given it went free on PSN for a time, meaning that number only goes lower. Now: Pair this with Sony's unreasonable expectations for games, where Days Gone is considered a failure despite having sold *exponentially over their budget.* Kinda shows why Naughty Dog's game projects are being handed to other studios now. Funny enough, despite being a "failure," the Days Gone studio was trusted with the latest remaster of TLOU.
They needed Avengers-level returns on an Avengers-level budget, instead they sold as poorly as the Avengers videogame. But it doesn't stop there: Why don't we bring up that the latest remaster sold *worse* than the Saints Row reboot, likely as a direct result of this game's abysmal performance.
We're still reaching the same conclusion, that there's dismal times ahead for Naughty Dog under Neil Druckmann, but the results of his leadership are *immediate.* They're hemorrhaging money, and if Part 3 has a similar budget to TLOU2, it'll be a legendary embarrassment.
*And no TLOU2 fan will bring numbers to contradict this.*
@@maxxyian2yt243 Case in point: No numbers to contradict me, just naysaying from the ass and whataboutism.
A factions with the last of us 2 movement, graphics, atmosphere and gameplay is something I can’t wait to get my hands on, I could totally see a battle royal type game set in the last of us universe with roaming infected, missions to complete, workbenches etc would probs be one of the best on the market
If it's just 4v4 that game will fail and die. I hope it's not a battle royal but it's just a multiplayer game. If you like BRs you have plenty of games to play, you don't need another. There aren't any good multiplayer games too play
@@HARLEM-NEWYORK the first games online is still active, so idk what you’re talking about
If it's the weird transwhatevas seraphites vs the wack wlf for factions then I'm passing on this game
@@Michael20 the Scars aren’t trans, pretty sure it’s the reason Lev was extradited
@@HARLEM-NEWYORK wdym it would die? Factions 1 is still going well. If you go to TLOU 1 factions u can actually find matches fast and it's been almost 10 years so wdym?
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One thing I really hated about people’s defense of tlou2’s story was how they said Joel doomed humanity by killing Abby’s dad and not letting Ellie’s operation go though which justified Abby killing him. Like the world is already way past gone by that point. There’s groups like the seraphites, a crazy cult, and the wolves, a crazy and ruthless paramilitary, and murderers and thieves hiding and living in cities and towns that kill other survivors that go through their territory. Plus a cure wouldn’t even cure the hundreds of millions or even billions of infecteds still roaming the world. Also I doubt much people would even care for a cure because by that point every human would most likely be part of a faction that would be more focused of taking care of their own.
The story (or part of it) is just the Fireflies view of it and their view is valid to them and reflected in their actions. They all felt Joel deserved it because of the cure but without Abby's driving force they wouldn't have bothered after 4 years. Abby was the driving force because for her it wasn't about the cure, it was about her dad which is why Ellies revelation in the Theatre has little effect on her. For her, it was never about the cure or Ellie (who tends to blame everything on herself being immune). Nothing has changed about the original story. At the end of the game we can have the same discussion over the merits of Joels decision. The only difference is we have a little more context on the Fireflies that we didn't see in the first game. Aa an aside, anyone who got bitten would certainly care about a cure.
I agree that even if a cure was devised by killing Ellie, access to the cure itself would be weaponized. If Fireflies had the cure, I'm pretty sure they wouldn't hand it out to their enemies.
I have this conversation a lot about the game and think this is something that has to be recognized if you are to enjoy this incredible tale to the fullest extent. By hypercomplicating and postulating on the merits of what the fireflies WOULD and COULD do with a cure, you lessen the impact of the moral dilemma the first game pulls off. I always urge fans to stop focusing on using current world logic and hypotheticals and instead take the story as it is; Joel makes a complicated decision at the end of the first game. Is it right? That's not a yes or no question, the complexity IS the point. As people I think we always search for a definite answer, but if there was one we wouldn't really care much about the game would we? You can assume the Fireflies would weaponize the cure, you could probably support your claim, but truth is we don't know what would happen.
@@kieranarmstrongproductions4743 Good point. I see it as a version of the needs of the many vs the needs of the one and what if that one was someone you really cared about. The doctor and Joel were stuck on opposite sides of a terrible dilemma with no happy outcome. No Ellie or no cure. Arguing whatsboutery over what the Fireflies might do is just the other side of what Marlene tries with Joel. What if Joel saves Ellie then she gets killed by a clicker or murdered by hunters. No Ellie and no cure. To me weaponising the cure would be poisoning it and it giving to your enemies. Using it as a bargaining chip in some sort of ceasefire or treaty is a perfectly reasonable proposition which benefits everyone.
Yeah,humanity in Part II really disappointed me,like instead of uniting to survive they were having wars for pointless stuff,honestly I stand with Joel’s decision and I believe he did the right thing,the world was even more fucked up than before the pandemic and a vaccine wouldn’t have done anything at all to restore it.
Last of Us 2 sold so much because of the amount of pre orders and false praise it got
Last of Us 2 was what made me lose all interest in future Naughty Dog games. I genuinely felt like they turned their back on me and were intentionally trying to convince me not to be a fan because I'm not one of those woke lunatics that favor representation over a good story with good characters and good writing.
Last of Us 2 had some of the worst pacing, unlikable characters, and writing I've ever seen; and no it's not because Joel died, Ellie's gay, a buff roided woman, or a trans person being involved.
I've got zero interest in a Part 3, the only exception was if it were a prequel or a completely new story with new characters. I have no interest in what happens to Ellie or Abby and Lev.
"Takes 20 years to build a reputation, 5 minutes to tear one down."
they knew what they were doing; blatantly lied about it, and now have their good name forever tarnished by this title
only reason i'd ever bother with this dev again is if both Neil & Even left or were fired - which is never going to happen ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I expected the Fireflies to put a bounty on Joel and Ellie head and thought Part 2 would take place where both of them would have to be on the run and experience Isolation because the whole world is after them. Instead we got a stupid love triangle, and a professional golfer.🤣
I don't think that i will give another chance for TLOU, I can understand the death of Joel, I can understand the poor "revenge" theme and all that poor building of Ellie the psyco, but I'll never forgive how they cheat on Tommy he is the only one that calls out ellie on her BS and got punished horribly by it. As a company, ND supported crunch and N.Druckman knew all about it, that's why there was "leaks" I'm not buying another game of them if they keep it that way
I was one of those people who specifically went out of my way to avoid all TLOU P2 spoilers before playing the game. I can confidently say if TLOU P3 were to ever release, I will intentionally wait for reviews of the game before buying… I will never trust Naughty Dog the same way I did with Part 2, they can say what they will about the overall success of P2 but I know I’m not alone on my take
Factions was amazing and I appreciated the gameplay in the original game more because of it. The tweaks they made to gameplay for the sequel was made the gameplay feel sooooooo good (almost reminiscent of MGSV to me) that I was sad there was no factions. Naughty Dog nailed the gameplay with Uncharted 4 and TLOUII.
The direction of Last of Us 3. Prove that part 2 killed the franchise and theirs no way back!
Man we need a new Jak and Daxter game. :(((
Not with the current naughty dog we dont.
Gamers: "Video games should be fun"
Neil: "Yeah... we don't do that here."
He was referring to the last of us part 2’s story with that quote but the internet being the internet took it out of context lmao
They need Amy back. She was the golden goose of naughty dog, not Neil.
Happy New Year Everyone 🎉
The leaks didn't cause the lower sales.
The lies from Naughty Dog around the leaks, the bad writing and the mad disrespect to fans of the first game was what caused slower sales.
It's been 2 years and TLOU Part 2 is still one of the worst gaming experiences I've ever had. That's a game that I've come to accept that I'll always have hatred for but I'm interested to see where Naughty dog goes, in a skeptical way.
this guy sounds like Christopher Walkin
that looks like my eletric guitar but the tuner has a different logo on it
It is amazing how pre-TLOU2 I viewed Naught Dog as a “can’t miss” studio.
I saw the leaks and only played TLOU2 because I got a free copy. Didn’t get TLOU1 Remake (bought 3 versions of the original and don’t want to pay $70 for “better graphics).
I’m viewing them now like you Robin. If they make something truly captivating, I’ll give them a chance. If it doesn’t appeal or has some TLOU2 “red flags” I’ll just skip.
Plenty of other games and studios to put my money (and more importantly spare time) in to.
I cancelled my LOU2 pre-order before I saw the leaks. I knew something was wrong when ND and Sony were trying to take down CZcamsrs for giving an opinion (even though they weren't showing spoilers). I've never played LOU2 and never will. I'll never pre-order a ND agin...I just don't do Woke.
@@lemming9984an we stop with the “woke” nonsense? It literally doesn’t mean anything when people ascribe it to anything containing women or gay people. If you have actual criticism people would much rather hear that.
@@TylerTheLoser_ AS a gay person I do not need to be "represented" in games, movies or TV. Cuckman is just trying to be popular with his warped messages. I had no problem with Ellie being gay, but the symbolic death of Joel by a trans 'thing' was out of place.
@@lemming9984 Now you’re just self-reporting that you don’t know what happens in the game that you admit you didn’t play and also being selfish with your “pick me” attitude on media representation and also being subtly transphobic to a character that isn’t even trans lmao. I wish the game had any positive discourse but bad actors such as yourself always feel the need to invade such spaces with cries of “WOKE!!” when they literally don’t even know what they’re talking about and it’s so frustrating.
@@TylerTheLoser_ "self reporting, transphobic"? Oh Jesus. You really do live a sad little life don't you? Get out of your mind-warped shell sometime and meet some real Gay people to see how they view life.
I don't think the leaks had anything to do with the sales of TLOU2. It sold 4 million in 3 days
Funny thing is that proudly touted "4 million sales" turned out to be copies shipped to distributors like Walmart and Gamestop, not end-users. This was exposed pretty early on too.
I mean you're still on point that the leaks didn't affect the game, since the leaks only contained what was factually in the game. *The game* undermined the game.
@jamukha I have played the Part I remake and it is definitely worth playing because they tweaked several locations and did other things that make it almost like a new game.
@jamukha u realize all games drop massively the next week right?💀
Happy new years everyone happy 2023.
It’s crazy how much their reputation tanked. I used to love Naughy Dog, but now I just don’t really care much. It reminds me of how Game of Thrones isn’t really spoken about now because of that final season. People just kinda stopped talking about it (in a high regard I mean). It’s like they lost their relevancy. I don’t think they’ll ever be able to recover the reputation they once had. There’s always gonna be a dark cloud over them.
As long as neil druckman at the helm, im not buying any naughty dogs game.
Imo TLOU2 was the death of TLOU universe because the controversial avenues they took the story into absolutely cornered the story. They already killed Joel and Ellie walked off into the sunset with her gf's baby. Where else can the story go? ND can release part 3 but I don't think I'd want to play it with the direction they're headed in. Just give me factions!
Yes factions will be good…. Tlou 2 no…
Happy new year, Robin!
Happy New Year Robin!
What a way to kick off the New Year!
You want the reason why part 2 sucks ? Because the story was absolute dog sh*t.
The only way I can give a chance to a Naughty Dog game again is if I don't see any blue hair color weirdos doing interviews or announcing the first trans man trans Asian on a wheelchair non binary person in a game and then I'll consider paying them attention
Not shocked they aren’t announcing anything, all these leaks keep stirring up trouble instead of building hype.
I really like these kinds of discussion videos
Agreed
I hope they do another IP. TLOU should have ended with part 1.
Oh yeah!
Hell no!
The moment Bungie was bought out by Sony, I figured that they were going to be put on Factions. Sony specifically said they were putting more focus on live service. Bungie knows this market well and Halo Infinite shows it’s not done easy.
I think TLOU3 has been in production since the end of TLOU2. Preproduction on the game would have started even before TLOU2's release, so I think realistically they're 2.5 years into production at this point. Yes, Neil was away in Canada for a couple months for the TV show, but was still working with Naughty Dog remotely during that time, and there was a full year after TLOU2 before he left for Canada as well.
How I understand Lou 2 is that Neil is an artist. Lou 1 was the game that ND team fleshed out and Lou 2 was the story that Neil wanted without all the input from others.
Naughty dog died with amy hennig leaving and neil is smart to not be solo writing the script,tlou had a script doctor who stopped neil adding alot of nonsense and in tlou2 that script doctor was gone and neil was free to add all the nonsense he wanted and look what happened lol
Happy New Year!
Happy New Year Robin :)
Naughty dog turned into a 1 trick studio.
What?
Personally after TLOU 2 I will never purchase another game made by Naughty Dog, I even have misgivings about other Sony studios productions. They deliberately lied and false advertised a game knowing full well that people would not be on board with their ideas so they attempted to dupe people into buying something that was not as advertised. This was not simply hiding story beats, this was intentional false advertising. This shows that Naughty Dog and by extension Sony Studios have absolutely no respect for their customers or trust in their brand/product. How can you believe anything they tell you moving forward when they have shown they have no qualms about lying to you to get you to buy their products? Not to mention their absolute dismissal of any critisism valid or otherwise since release. They don't give a shit about their customers and anything they say otherwise is pure BS damage control.
Happy new year dude!!
I know what Naughty “Druckmann” Dog is up to. Social Justice, CRT, BIPOC, Trannies, etc.
Great video and very well said. Lets see what they have prepared for us.
A golf club to the head and a spit on the face with two missing fingers ;)
It's over for Naughty Dog
I feel exactly the way you do. I'm detached too
When I found out what druckman did to joel, and the game not even having multi-player, I noped out
If Joel had to die, it could have been done in a more appropriate way - defending Ellie for example. That death was just Cuckman showing his hate of straight white males.
I have lost all confidence and trust in Naughty Dog after that god awful story in part 2. I will not be coming back or supporting them anymore after how they treated and DMCA strikes a lot of the youtube channels I watched for game coverage when that whole part 2 karma leak fiasco was going down. Still love Sony first party but I’m so done with Naughty dog.
Happy new year
Still haven't bought or played tlou2
And it was 10$ recently
I refuse to give that game my money
Even if it is on PS Plus I wouldn't play it for free.
@@lemming9984 there the answer. I'll only accept free
When Neil Druckmann gets handed a pink slip by Sony and Naughty Dog stops trying to focus on “the message,” I will start caring about them as a studio again.
Same, mate...
If their next game fails, Sony is not going to like that.
I do really like the way Neil Druckmann tells a story. You see it not only in The Last of Us. But also Uncharted 4. But Neil has also attached himself to a few toxic cultural topics that highly divide people. Not only has he attached himself to those topics. He also makes the arguments as poorly as they do.
But I still love how they tell their stories. The mechanics have improved so much over the years. Their graphics and attention to detail have been top notch.
So in my opinion, Sony needs Naughty Dog to back away from the toxic toppics. More specifically Neil Druckmann needs to be told to back away from those toxic topics.
Then, Naughty Dog can start the move back to its once great status.
Here here, Naughty Dog went from always buy to never touch - at least not until their games are made for the players again. Lectures from random devs aren’t appealing to us.
TLOU2 is a failure, as much as Sony and Game Journos tried their best to fake its success, the sales number speaks otherwise for which the game goes on sale more times than a game like Far Cry 6. Also, TLOU Re-remastered was such a failure that people forgot about it as soon as it was released that Saints Row reboot had more numbers than that game. For some reason, Sony still panders to ND and Druckmann as if there are no other talented devs in their arsenal
I know sales numbers cant translate quality but the Best of the all-time game struggling to win people's hearts and convince them to purchase is very much odd
A big factor in whether they will buy from ND ever again, is how Druckmann treated the fans that were tricked by the trailers and Druckmann himself. Some will never buy new from ND again because of him.
The deceptive nature of the marketing campaign for LOU2 should never be repeated again. The biggest offense being Neil Druckmann having Troy Baker as Joel, voicing dialog from another character, in a setting where Joel isn't there to begin with, adding insult to the fact that Joel is dead long before that point in the game itself.
god stfu, every trailer is like that
You expect companies to spoil the game for you in the fucking trailer?
Dude, this sis literally MGS2, hated to death.
i don't fancy seeing Joel's skull smashed in, I hope they retcon that and don't adapt it due to the backlash against TLOUP2.
I hope they do adapt it and I hope Joel's skull is smashed even harder, maybe get some bits of his brain to splatter near Ellie as she watches. Just to make the crybaby incels whine even louder than before. It'll be funny af
Your vids are amazing Robin. Keep sharing your thoughts with the world. Its really a joy to hear you speak about this stuff
Thanks man! Super glad to hear you think so. I'm personally really happy with how this new format is turning out as well! It should allow me to upload much more frequently by not requiring the enormous amount of work of fully scripted videos in the past, while still maintaining a high quality feel.
“ almost 3 years since the last of us part 2”where does the times go man....
The Last of Us part 1 was the reason why I bought a PS4, I was so hyped when Part 2 came, I was like fully dedicated to it, then Niel Drunkman Finally decided to show his true intensions with his stories and it was DISAPPONTING. The Lesson I've learned is that don't get too hyped don't expect things to happen in a way you want it to be, sequels always will disappoint, not all but most of them. I even burrowed TLOU 2 game, still I don't even dare play it's like, MEH what's the point the story is AS_ I don't really care much about gameplay and graphics anyways...
getting hyped for an upcoming game is the greatest feeling as an adult. That's the only time I feel like a kid opening bday gifts. I love the atmosphere of last of us. The last factions game in lou1 was fantastic, but lacked depth and scope. I was glad to hear that the Druckman wasn't involved in the upcoming factions game.
I want to know what went down with Joel in the 20 years between the outbreak day and the start of the game.
Its not that I hate part 2 but more that it left me scarred and feeling just unsettled and like I don't know how to feel about the franchise anymore. I sure would like a part 3 not because I'm hyped but rather that I don't want to see the franchise end this way, but if it becomes a real thing I'm definitely going to be very cautious.
As for factions I've been waiting for that shit for years and frankly its ridiculous how long its taking, even more unfair to the fans is how silent its been, we're approaching the third year following part 2 and we still know nothing. We deserve something.
Naughty Dog burned a lot of bridges in the chase of the mythical modern audience.
Like Star Trek did, like Star Wars did, like any modern adaptation did.
Really don't care about TLoU as a brand anymore, the HBO series looks like it will be also adapted for the modern audience. Uncharted had nice wholesome ending so again, don't care when they reboot or remake it.
So only new IP can bring back any interest toward Naughty Dog.
True...
I love the Uncharted series and The Last of Us Part 1 is my all time favourite game but I hated The Last of Us Part 2.I bought it on release day,played approximately 40% and stopped ,I don't intend to pick it up ever again.There is nothing that Naughty Dog can do to rekindle my interest for Part 3.I'll consider purchasing another IP from them but after I see some reviews.
Aye, what's up man! I remember playing Uncharted 3 Multiplayer with you on stream! I hope you're doing well!
I honestly didn't enjoy TLOU Pt 2. While the gameplay was fun I just didn't care for the story nor how it was told. And like you said, I had a different picture in my head of what pt 2 was gonna be based on the trailers they put out and when I played it I felt like I was lied to.
What made the first LOU game so good was the relationship between Joel and Ellie and I wanted another chapter with them especially after what Joel did at the end of the first game. But we didn't get that, instead Joel is killed two hours into a 25-30 hour game and then we get a couple of flashbacks with him, which were the best part of the whole damn game. Not to mention we play his murderer for the second half of the game and she basically gets a bargain brand version of the first game's story, almost like it was a reboot.
As for what ND could do to bring me back...I'm honestly not sure. I'd rather for them not to do a pt 3 and just let it die and maybe do a brand new IP but even then I'd be worried about that too.
If they did do a pt 3...maybe if it was focused on completely different characters and maybe even set in a different country during the Apocalypse would be interesting and maybe I'd be back on but as long as Neil Druckmann is still involved with ND, I will be way more cautious than I was before.
Tlou Part 2 is the only title from ND I didn’t enjoy. Probably won’t invest any time in Part 3, but I’m excited about any new IPs that might be brewing within the studio.
The first TLOU is the reason i became a HUGE Naughty Dog fan. My brother was a HUGE fan since Crash Bandicoot: The Wrath of Cortex. After Part 2 i'm no longer a fan.
@@niallhughes2697 keep crying. Your literally crying because your favorite studio made a risky game unlike the barebones bland tlou1.
@@Julian_14 u r in the much low minority with this opinion. There r risks and then there is taking it too far. If u like sequels that insult and shit on the astounding stories of the previous games then by all means like what u want. If u believe the 1st game is bland, then u know nothing of what u watch. Get bent
@@tonyfergusonisthetypeofguy142 you’d love to bent over another guy wouldn’t u. Either way, I couldn’t care less if im in the minority neither did I argue otherwise. It seems your offended by the fact I called a game u seemingly love very much bland. The sequel doesn’t insult anything or anyone but snowflakes like u. I do know what I play and watch thank u for trying tho. Ragnarok was kinda mid tho. Now that’s a bad sequel
The most annoying thing with media like the last of us 2 is that if it is bad they use the excuse that it’s just getting review bombed by people of different political opinions and it works just look at tlof2 and captain marvel lol
And at this point the bridge has been burnt for anything tlou related so the only thing that could bring me back is an actually good game and even if it is good it would need to be on similar levels of spider-man and GOW to even get me to play it
I’m wondering if this game is going to be a PS5 exclusive. It would be nice to see a new Castlevania, Prince of Persia , Tenchu, Dante’s inferno with this new technology!
I was surprised to find out that in part 2 of TLOU the seraphites’ whistles were actually different for different actions like calling reinforcements and hearing a sound but I wish their AI was smarter. I really wish they were hunting you and setting up ambushes etc…
The AI in TLOU2 is better than pretty much any I've seen in a game. Can you name better?
@@miloandot batman arkam games, the frist Fear, left for dead 2.
@@miloandot the AI is really good, I just wish the seraphites were even more clever and were more difficult encounters that really drive you to the edge but in all my play even when I was spotted they didn’t encircle my location or something like that. That could’ve really made their encounters memorable.
@@bashooi Is this a joke. I love the Arkham games, but if you think the AI is better you have serious problems.
@@DarkAttackYT Yeah, no.
When you look past the fan service content they sloppily roped into, it's still an enjoyable game, although the ending left many feeling unfulfilled as the whole point was to put down Abby for what she did to Joel. And they did Joel dirty in this game.
What? You think the point was to get Abby killed, you think this is what the game is about?
@@vinylrichiejr.2416 iTs AbOuT tHe CyClE oF vIoLeNcE aNd WhY rEvEnGe Is BaD (except for Abby)
@@huellbabineaux7433 Why except for Abby? All her friends get killed and the guy she loves with whom she wanted to escape, too.
By your writing style I think you want to say that it isn't about the cycle of violence and revenge, how so? The story is exactly about these themes, what else should it be about?
You should make a video on the gaming industry consolidation & your thoughts on the pro & cons effect & the future of these publisher under 1 umbrella & possible future acquisition Sony or others might make because of it
ALMOST THREE YEARS????? WHAT IS HAPPENING
Anything been touched by Neil druckmann I'm not touching it. Nell destroyed the legacy of a great franchise, I can't bear to touch the franchise again.
im off the ND train tbh, the direction they're going in isnt for me
I think it honestly makes the most sense for Naughty Dog to be developing The Last of Us Part 3. They're right off the heels of working on The Last of Us Part 1, The Last of Us Factions Multiplayer Project, and the TV show will be ongoing.
Part of me wonders if the multiplayer project will launch alongside The Last of Us 3, Similar to Call of Duty Warzone. Perhaps the multiplayer maps will take place in the same game world that the single player game takes place in. This would also make sense, because the concept art indicates the game will take place in San Francisco, which is part of that California bay area that the end of the second game implied the fire flies are in.
Just a little game theory.
I gotta disagree with one thing....I think gameplay has been the weakest link in Naughty Dog games since Uncharted Drake's Fortune. It's the story,characters, and visuals that keep me playing. I would say the gameplay in Naughty Dog games is just good enough to keep me pushing forward to see the next story bit...to see the next environment.
Yea the gameplay has kept me from getting through more than 2hrs of the first game. I heard gameplay is better in part 2 nd I want to beat part 1 first bt the gameplay just doesn't do a good job of keeping me interested. I've bought TLOU on PS3, 4 nd I plan to get the remake on PS5 because Naughty Dog deserves my money for their great efforts. I'm about to buy part 2 for $10 in the store just in case I ever beat part 1. With that said I ldk if I'll ever beat on part 1 nd subsequently never play part 2 lol.
Gameplay is solid in all of their games except uncharted drake's fortune. Tf you all smoking?
@@austinebner4905 I'm smoking good Colorado bud on the regular since you wanna know 🤣
Anyway, CoD ruined single player games for me way back in the day (except GTA story) and when I try to force myself to play them the controls feel wonky compared to the smoothness of CoD. Guess I should say it's me not the game bt yea that's my problem. I'm literally about to reinstall TLOU Pt 1 right now nd try my best to finish it for the first time ever.
@@montanamaxx3824 try GOW, UC4, Ghost of Tsushima if you're looking for smooth singeplayer games. Returnal too!
@@austinebner4905 love GoW just never finished 2018 yet nd refuse to play Ragnarok until then. Beat UC1 last yr nd am in the beginning of UC2 bt haven't played it since early 22'. Loved watching ppl play GoS bt never bought it. I played Returnal nd although I loved the visuals I hated that game overall because of it's difficulty lol. I hate that I'm so addicted to CoD because Activision clearly doesn't care about it's community nd just wants it's hand in our pockets. Zombies has been my favorite part of CoD since BO2 nd I've gotten to the point where I only play co-op modes in CoD due to SBMM. BR is non existent to me. If Treyarch messes up zombies in 2024 which I'm quite sure they won't. In that case CoD will be dead to me nd I will start giving SP games much more of a chance so I can enjoy all these great SP games in history that I've mostly missed out on since 2008. Thanks for the reminder of those great games tho 👍
Not only they disappointed a lot of fans with the direction they took with the last of us part 2, but they also handled the criticism of these fans very poorly by calling them homophobes, misogynists or bigots.
Making a mistake is one thing. But making that mistake, refusing to admit it and insulting those who criticize you for it is a whole different thing.
They're no longer my favorite studio and I don't have the same respect for them anymore.
Well said
Your username says it all your projecting so hard
Once again...more fake news. Let's take a different turn. A most talked about discussion regarding A.I technology against traditional artists. Saying their artworks are being stolen or style framed by another user. That being said...no style is copyrighted. Artists take the likeness as inspiration from each other for years. So without knowing the real information behind that...applies to people saying bad things about a company or directly to individual people with Hate mail. Which is worse? A bad storyline if you see fit or an uproar of fake news propaganda to sell a bigot storyline...
@CyberPup 22 Or maybe it was an excuse to deflect even those who expressed genuine criticism.
You're either 100% with them, or you're 100% against them; there's no in between.
Frankly, if one spends too much focusing on the alleged "homophobes, misogynists, and bigots" then not only is one NOT paying attention to the actual problem at hand, but is also one being short-sighted about it, too.
@CyberPup 22 The issue is when they diverted all there attention of the critism of the game to that small small small minority.
It's like if some far cry made a game that had pro American subtext but there plot was garbage and they reacted with labeling all the critics anti American.
Even then racist and homophobe are a far worse thing to be called.
Imo, them taking time to announce their new project is for the better. Both Uncharted 4 and TLOU II were announced too early and it resulted in multiple delays and leaks which made people spoil the hell out of the games on the internet, I suffered it in both cases. I remember back when U4's last delay occurred, due too Rachet and Clank's release, a lot of stores already had the games on stock and rightfully told Sony to f*ck off and starting selling copies regardless, which resulted in more leaks.
So, if they are finally learning their lesson, I will applaud them. When it comes to favoritism, I've also moved on to other studios such as Respawn and Rockstar. Also, Happy New Year everybody.
Yes. The Leaks got the heat on. and it piled up out of proportions.. But sometimes its like that no matter what.
@@maxxyian2yt243 I can agree to an extent with Uncharted 4 not being announced too early, since development was pretty much rebooted in 2014. But with TLOU II it was definitely the case, literally 4 years earlier. On the other hand, you have games like the last two God Of Wars and Jedi Fallen Order, games that took their time to be properly announced, but did so when their devs were certain they could deliver by the dates they would promise.
The false marketing was incredibly important to be able to tell the story effectively. The player should NOT know that Joel is going to die, or that you're going to play as Abby. These things need to be surprises for the story to affect the player's emotions in the way the writers intend. I am completely okay with deceptive marketing when it serves the storytelling.
A game should never be judged by the marketing. In fact, if you're already planning to play a game, you should just stop watching trailers anyway, as they can only potentially spoil parts of the experience. Same goes for movies, TV, etc. Personally, I never saw any of the trailers past that initial teaser, and avoided all of the leaks. My experience was better for it, and I've been doing the same for movies and TV for like 15 years now. I highly recommend it. As soon as you know you're going to watch or play something, stop watching trailers, stop reading news, leaks, reviews, etc. Go into it as blind as possible.
People still praise Naughty Dog for TLOU, why wouldn't people be equally disappointed/disgusted with TLOU2?
Why is it that only one point of view deemed to be okay to hold but the other is not?
People should be able to hold whatever opinions they like without condemnation from anyone, so long as they aren't hurting anyone.
Anyway... Happy New Year.
TLOU2 really killed the franchise for me. I don't think I'll be paying for anything else set in that world going forward.