The REAL Problem with Ableton Live 12
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CHAPTERS
00:00 INTRO
01:10 NEW FEATURES
03:16 THE USUAL COMPLAINTS
05:14 THE REAL COMPLAINTS
08:50 OUTRO
#musicproducers #musicproduction #musicproducer - Hudba
To me, the latency issue one should be top of the list. Freezing groups and sandboxing are the next two big ones. Then having more available colored grouping options in the browser is next.
Noob ever heard resampling from drop down menu? Noob there always be latency noob
Every time Ableton crashes because of some plug-in error it looks like a chump.
amen, i want bounce in place or even hybrid audio/midi tracks like bitwig. abletons audio editing is so powerful but the resampling workflow is just cumbersome. native integration of modulators instead of the unstable and poorly optimised max4live options would be cool too
Agreed to all of that... Those are the features I´m missing.
In live pdc is per track. In bitwig per project. Hence why this happens. And to change it, well… they need to recode live from ground up. Not shire if they can.
I think Ableton should implement only one thing: a pair of ears to listen to their customers
The reason its getting worse is because they are listening to their users. Most of which have no fucking clue what they are talking about.
They did, but the subsequent fingertip update negates the whole thing.
Success makes that unnecessary - it seems to, at times feel.
Your comment is the best one on the thread. Any Ableton thread.
@@Allan-et5ig It isn't, its the most selfish, egocentric and myopic one.
Ableton 12 already? Fix my near-daily version 11 crashes first please…🤞🏼
Feel like a broken record at this point! Comon ableton please!
-Freeze/Flatten Groups
-Strip Silence
-Remove disabled plugins & unused tracks
-shortcut to pitch automation
-clip gain shortcut with visual feedback
-more collections
-individual DRY/WET controls (0:100)
-Gain compensation on saturation & dynamics plugins
-sandboxing plugins
-stop rending entire length of song for short clip consolidation
1. Latency compensation
2. Tuning plugin (e.g. melodyne)
3. More collections
4. Freeze groups
An in-built tuning plugin would be amazing
5-Stem separation stock plugin
6-Better 3rd party plugin organisation
7-Time signature change but this one's should be available in 12 so, that's cool.
I don't really use autotunes but can someone explain to me what you can do with melodyne that you couldn't do with frequency shifter, resonator, or vocoder?
@@freashty Melodyne automatically spreads every syllable of a vocal into a scale and lets you adjust the tune, gain and time stretch/ Super super useful. Logic has it built in
@@Teddyrobinson i guess my question is more like could you not just chop the vocal on the syllables and then adjust the gain, pitch, and stretch of each one using the audio clip controls?
As a reaper user not being able to customise keyboard shortcuts is absurd
Yeah, the option should be there really even if most people wouldn't use it. It may entice users of other DAWs to switch if they can take their shortcuts with them. On the other hand, having universal shortcuts for all users is handy when they are giving each other tips / asking each other how to do things
on a mac you can customize shortcuts
As someone who went from Logic to Live and knows how fast bip is in logic, bounce in place is sooo necessary. Huge timesaver
Noob omg ahahahajaj😂😂😂😂
As an FL user who got it relatively recently, facts
This is so true I’ve been asking for bip for years now!
It’s not so hard ableton we don’t need another synth or new devices, come on
CTRL + B gang ✊🏾
lmaoo rite I was so confused seeing ableton users route something to another track and record it
Yes, adding grooves to time based effects/arpeggiator needs to happen.
Nice one
That’s one thing I’ve been wanting Fl to do for years is make their software screen reader friendly, but from what I’ve been told by their support team, FL is built in a way that screen readers can’t work with it. That alone makes me want to check Ableton out, but seems like a huge learning curve. Saying this cause I’m a completely blind producer and have been for the last eight years so the only way I can get work done efficiently is having someone remote connect to my computer and I walk them through what I need to do. This was a good breakdown.
I like both, and Ableton actually has a cool tutorial mode that will teach you how to use most things! try a demo
Wow, that seems horribly inefficient. Have you ever considered trying reaper? It definitely is a learning curve, but at least you can do everything alone. if you have a Mac, use logic. Seriously, the accessibility of logic is amazing.
"F.l is built in a way screen readers can't work with it" huh?😂😂
Bro f.l is Literally the most user friendly daw in all daws put together and that is the reason why most people shit on it because it's easier to learn and make music within... I mean ableton with the excel looking like ui is friendly to you? I guess we differ 🤷🏾 🙃
@@Dmac_-xz6vdwhat he said was that he can't use FL because they don't have any support for screen readers. He is blind and can't see the screen, doesn't matter what it looks like, the only thing that matters is the layout and support for screen reading
@@Dmac_-xz6vdFL is absolutely a giant confusing mess. It has a lot of great features (in the piano roll mostly), but the UI/UX is cobbled together. It’s like they had this simple but limited initial workflow and then tried to cram as much into it as they could by any means necessary.
In order to get my launchpad mini to play notes, I had to mess with midi configuration and midi scripts and whatnot, whereas in logic, I had to literally do nothing. And then there’s all the messy channel routing to worry about. Coupled with the fact that the mac version crashed 3 times in the first 20 minutes of using it, I quickly crawled back to Logic.
I learned ableton a while back, got the hang of it instantly. But FL is just messy. And I fully concede that once you get the hang of it, it’s probably nice to use. Just a big initial hurdle to get over that dated UI
Latency issues and CPU overload should be fixed once and for all before anything else
latency issue is fixed actually; they just didn't put in the ad video.
@@valdir7426 have you tested it ? and what about CPU?
@@Sinnersainthuman I haven't tested it; they added an option to turn the monitoring latency off whitout turning off the monitoring. essentialy if you have monitor off and monitor on the recording will be at the same place unlike how it was before. that solves a big issue for me; but there is an elisabeth homeland tool in m4l that deals with the issue until then.
Useless, dude. Say you have a powerful desktop like me - incredibly powerful. I literally got bored trying to slow Live down with absurd amount of tracks including BBC Symphony And Abbey Road Symphony and the most notorious plug-in hog in the universe, Positive Grid Guitar Amp sim on 14 channels. Then, I raised the bit rate for no good reason to one whose differences no user could hear. No crashes. (144 tracks all those plugins, high sample rate and still CPU was in the 20% range).
Next I opened a set with just 15 tracks and one problematic plug-in. Crashed the program. And continues to. The plugin is having problems with core allocation, I'm told.
While I agree 100% that Ableton needs to work on stability before all else, the amount of things that can go wrong in software are - you don't want to know. But when you combine the integration of hardware AND software, the potential for stability issues are effectively endless. Unless you have an old, or terrible computer, I'm certain this is what you're facing.
Next time - buy your computer from a company that will give you a "do-over." That used to be Fry's - out of business. Otherwise your problems will not be over anytime soon.
@@allancerf9038 the sandboxing fixes everything you mentioned, and was mentioned in the video
None of this matters if they don’t fix latency. All daws are more precise then Ableton, literally ALL OF THEM
they did fix the latency issue related to external hardware in sync. If it's not that not sure what you're refering to.
If they add bounce in place and freeze groups a lot of people will be quiet .
Also freeze/flatten is not the same as bounce in place. I feel the reason they haven’t implemented it yet , considering it’s been requested for years is because they can’t. It must have something to do with the actual coding of the software or the engine that stops it from being a feature. I mean surely if it wasn’t that, they would have implemented it by now right?
Also freeze groups, this is just another easy win for them.
The truth is, the best way to hit Ableton and force them to start adding things the users want is very simple. DONT buy it! We talk with our wallets and that’s the only thing they will listen to 👍
I think they are going to add it, Ableton has been really quiet since 10 came out, and now it looks like they are modernizing their old ass code, some features that are coming out in 12 seem to be the result of modern code.
given you can do this in 2 clicks and there's apparently even a m4l device to do it it's a non issue. (I used to use freeze but with a modern computer I've never even had the need to)
@@valdir7426 honestly , I wish people would understand that freeze/flatten and Bounce In Place are NOT the same thing!!!!
Try freeze flatten on say an external instrument and see what happens lol
Wrong. I'm not saying it's something I don't want - I do.
It's about market differentiation. To cut a long, contentious story short, each DAW company wants to have things that set it apart from others. Either by inclusion OR omission.
Implementing lanes (Bitwig which I also own doesn't have lanes for MIDI btw, only audio) as Live did after 20 years - required far more coding than bounce in place would.
If you had a mid-level Ableton executive's ear and asked, "why no bounce in place," and they were drunk, LOL, they would give you a marketing based reason. Otherwise, Ableton is a pretty secretive company.
@@allancerf9038 ok but you have to be honest here . Ableton 12 is extremely disappointing . This feels more like Ableton 11.5 rather than a completely new version. As I said people need to speak with their wallets and I can almost guarantee a lot of people are going to hold off from upgrading. Also check the upgrade price!!!! Cubase charged half that much to upgrade . How dare they ask so much money for such a menial tiny upgrade ?! It’s shocking tbh
The plugin browser is also disguting now too, it was ok having them organized by developers.
agreed, way harder to navigate
Remove silence has been a feature I’ve been wanting for a few years. It would be nice to set a threshold on volume and physically remove the empty spaces between loops clips, midi where there is no audio and or automation/notes. I think it would be helpful for visualizing where there is empty space in your arrangement/playlist and being able to fill those spaces with more earcandy or know how far you can move a sound from its original position on the grid. A second positive would be aesthetic since it looks aesthetically pleasing to not have giant blocks on your screen.
It's been in Pro Tools for decade. It's a great feature. Tbh Ableton added a bunch of semi-automated bs for producers who can't really produce. I'm good with 11 then
yeah, like in Logic Pro. Sounds great mate!
I’ve gotten fast doing it by hand over the years but it’s something that could be made leagues easier.
I've had 'remove silences' in Goldwave for like 20 years lol. It blows my mind how Ableton is missing some absolute basics
Not being able to freeze groups is actually such a pain in the butt :(
ohh my so fucking true i hate this thing about abelton lol
Plugin sandboxing and multiple projects in tabs is 2 of the biggest QOL features for Bitwig. So nice to have
Bouncing still sucks in ableton
Multiple project tabs are a shockingly huge differentiator for me. I work adhd-style. Ableton makes me save what I'm doing before opening a new project. It cock-blocks my creativity. BW meanwhile is like: "right this way sir allow me to get the door", lol.
I had zero stability issues with ableton honestly; it has crashed maybe once in a year.
@@valdir7426 "once in a year" sure thing bud 👍
@@tracewidth
You know that you can pre-listen any individual track from a project directly from Ableton’s browser ?
That you can also load any individual track from a previous project in your currently opened project ?
Or even just a plug-in with its specific parameter values ?
People are spoiled now that DAWs can do so much natively. I just ask that it doesnt freaking crash! 11 has not been a great experience in terms of performance.
Ableton will always be my baby.
Edit: OMG THE FRIGGIN .ALS FILES.
THEY COVER MY DESKTOP DX
The crossgrade price from 11 to 12 feels like Ableton stabbing me in the back with the rustiest knife they could find in some back alley of Frankfurt 😵
In Canada they're charging people 239 bucks plus tax to upgrade from 11 to 12. Plus this upgrade is more like 11.5
@@JEFFMAN90 same in Australia bro 😔
Berlin.....😂😅😂😅
feels like money grab
@@JEFFMAN90 How weird. I know we used to drive to Vancouver from Seattle years ago (when Vancouver was worth visiting - that was then - and the dollar was worth far more.
It's 183 bucks to upgrade in the states. Still TOO expensive.
Not to talk about the fact that Live is the ONLY DAW unable to address directly more midi channels to plugins.
this thing actually sucks; specially with m4l devices; there are workarounds though, you can use another midi track and route it directly to another channel on your plugin.
Theres a good reason I still use Ableton Live 10- there isn't enough of a reason for an expensive upgrade.
that's a very sensible approach; the only reason you'll have is when live won't able to run on your OS. I think you can jump one upgrade for the same price; maybe not 3. If you're on windows that's less of an issue than if you're on mac with their yearly OS update (which drives me mad by the way)
@@valdir7426 I didn't know that about Mac OS breaking Ableton every year... hopefully Apple can fix that issue. I can still run Win 98 programs on Win 11, although it's a bit flakey.
@@lundsweden it's not breaking ableton every year; it just means you can never update your OS on day 1 (that's for every audio software) and have to wait for an ableton update and every plugin as well; and it also means a specific version of live will be compatible with specific versions of the OS (usually spanning a few years; live 11 is compatible with 10.13 which has been released in 2017); some software devs like, well, apple with final cut or izotope will ditch older OSes support way sooner than others though. I don't update my OS every year but at some point I need to because some softwares will just refuse to work (and then I have to be careful to not update to the latest). It also means some older plugins will maybe not work anymore and I maybe will have to pay for updates.
I have both Ableton 11 and FL. When i want to work on audio or with very specific FX chains for sound design, i use Ableton. When i want significantly more control over MIDI and a faster mixing workflow i use FL with one of my templates
I know you just kind of glossed over this one, but the “doing multiple fades on wave forms” has always drove me crazy! I can edit the start and end point of midi all together but I can’t fade audio clips together? It just FEELS like something that would work and be so natural. But nope, and I know people suggested it way before 11.
As a heads up if you link the tracks together (right click tracks + "link tracks) you can do multiple fades simultaneously
@@MWdevices I’m talking about in the arrangement view
@@MWdevices like imagine this.
You add an audio track with open hi hat copy and pasted several times in the track. You select all of the copied open hi hat samples and drag the fade of one, and it affects the rest of the samples you’ve highlighted. That’s the way it should work
How it actually works:
Put each audio track on top of each other with separate samples, select them and hit opt + shift + f to make fades. Just such a missed opportunity.
I've been testing 12 for many months. The browser is over-whelming & took some time to get used to but i could never go back to 11 browser now. I deleted the majority of Lives default library & just use saved searches to create my own categories. You no longer really need collections. I do not think everyone will understand this at first & will just use the default. Also for a lot of the feature requests it is not a matter of just adding the most requested somethings just take time are technically difficult with a DAW
It looks like a nice update, but it’s not going to pull me away from Bitwig. Too little too late for me.
Per clip inserts. One of the things I love about Reaper, I can open a plug in on a clip (item) and then I can even consolidate the clip and thus "bake" the processing from the plug in I opened on that clip. Saves *a ton* of time for sound design
oh yeah, instead of having to make automations turning on and off on the clip sections. That annoys me too
I agreed with every single suggestion you had. My biggest gripe was a lack of "strum" feature in the piano roll that wasn't some sort of hack, but from the previews I've seen it looks like they've finally fixed that and made it non-destructive, which is very cool. Now the priority is to definitely tackle latency and the plugin sandboxing.
I don't understand what the difference is between "Bounce in Place" and "Freeze Track". From everything I've read it seems like you're able to accomplish the same thing and it's just a titling issue, but I'd be happy to hear what the difference is.
BIP doesn’t do anything to the original track. it only makes an audio copy [freeze,flatten] of a selection, and increases workflow by alot. Example; very long track, intesive plugins and automation, only want a small section bounced into audio [reverb tail is a perfect example of this]. Freeze/flatten will do the whole track [possibly taking minutes to freeze]. BIP allows you to be selective to what youre freezing and also not doing anything to the original
@@RemmyMusic1 That makes a lot of sense, thank you for explaining
Beyond sandboxing Bitwig also supports total key customization. Want Bitwig to behave like Pro Tools? No problem. Ableton's cool though. Most of the production tutorial content on youtube is for Ableton. I would be tempted to switch just for that reason alone but, I'm too stubborn. And I guess there is very little to no time at all to do a DAW switch.
Great video weaver! I’m personally struggling with the new and “improved” keyboard shortcuts for for the lower panel (clip / device view).
After using Ctrl+Alt+L to show/hide the detailed view for over 10 years, it’s now been changed to Ctrl+Alt+3 and Ctrl+Alt+4 and it’s killing my flow😢
There’s a lot of subtle stuff that’s been really getting in the way.
All the new features are great and awesome but I am not too stoked on the workflow overhaul. Perhaps this will be easier to adapt for new users
This actually can make me finally try out Ableton, the previous key commands used to not work well alongside windows magnification tool, wich made the program almost unusable for visually impaired people
they should bounce or render in place........ somuch easier. and why i say that is because in other programs it just does that that easy. render with or without effects etc
It’s now part of live 12, it’s called “freeze and flatten”.
hey weaver, just to let you know, FL Studio has had a "Performance mode" for many many years! Thats what you use if you want to play live! its actually like learning another program but worth it!
Honestly if performace mode looked like this in ableton, id pretend it couldn't do it.
@@Weaverbeats lol. also aren't most like.. standalones(stuff like the akai mpc, launch pad and stuff like that) PRIMARILY made for ableton anyways?
I know the launchpad and launchkey are literally MAINLY for ableton for sure.
:')@@Weaverbeats
FL user here, and must admit it's performance mode is awful 😢
There is "collect all and save" or something like that. It puts all the files including .asd into your project folder iirc. P sure i stopped having issues with .asd files littering my computer after discovering that.
Hiding disabled tracks would be sweet, also having the arpeggiator be able to access the groove pool
I just want to have in device lfos to show the animation of what they are affecting. Example: autofilter should have the filter curve moving if the lfo is engaged.
holy fuck yes. this shits me no end. another example is Simpler, sometimes I actually just add in the standalone LFO device to compensate for this, CPU be damned.
Auto filter, you sound so nice but you're very unpleasant to use...🎶
Having alias clips, where you have a master midi clip, and when you modify it, it affects the content of the duplicated clips coming from that one. OFC, this should not be a default feature but only activated by doing some extended command such as a Ctrl+Shift+(C/V) kind of thing?
So 200 for Ableton update on 300 for bitwig on sale right now?
would like to know what the button under the mixer is for [Keep Latency]
hope they solved the recording issues
ARA should also be already integrated and a complete custom keyboard shortcut customizer
Fl is super intuitive, but I really want to try ableton. My main concern is will it make me approach making beats in a different way? Something to kinda end stagnation when I’m feeling uninspired on my main daw.
I cannot stress enough how many times plugin sandboxing in bitwig saved my life
My bug bear with Live is fiddling with automation lines. If a point is up, the next point either side of it should easily show the same value, maybe not snap to it but.. Its just hard to get the value you want full stop.
Something Studio One has had since version 3:
1. Selecting a track with a VSTi on it, and then playing a MIDI file from the browser which will actually use the VSTi as the output source instead of the irritating General MIDI sounds we have had in Ableton since the beginning. This would expedite song creation immensely.
2. Auto-routing of stereo output plugins.
3. The ability to show thumbnails of your plugins instead of the neverending list of plugins in the browser.
If I think of any more, I'll mention them later,.
This is a good list that would inspire me to move from studio one to Ableton live 12 for Beat making mostly that is. That #1 on the list is what I’ve been tripping out about as well, “bounce in place”. All other daws been able to do this for years. #13 plug-in sandboxing will crush Bitwig for sure if this was added. I love using Bitwig for this reason along with other things that’s in this list. Customizing key commands would be nice too.
I actually switched back to Ableton 10. I thought 11 was buggy and slow, so I switched back to 10 and I've been super happy. It's not missing anything I need.
I only use DAWs optimized properly for Apple silicon that offer ARA2 support and iPad remote control functionality : Logic, Cubase, Nuendo and Studio One.
it would be nice to extract multiple chains from a drum rack in the drum rack instead of doing it one by one and from the mix window
Yeah I'd really REALLY want plugin sandboxing nothings more painful than an entire project just farting full send gastritis when it could just be a little toot. Freezing groups would be epic. Bounce in place, would be helpful but I've done the latter of copy/freeze/flatten/resample.
But an original cool idea would be an in house metaplugin/oversampler post synth. Maybe DDMF team are Jedi's and it's hard to implement. I will say Ableton's SRC is quite good and ISP appearance post limiter is not terrible as well. So I'm wondering if they are able to create an in house plugin to oversample 3rd party plugs. It does make a difference when stacking a huge mix with lots of heavy top end synth stuff. But working in 96k alleviates that.
Anyhow..
Also a thought, I've noticed in DAW's like Reaper and the capability to utilize the CPU and handle heavier plugins, is easier to manage with lower buffer sizes and higher plugin count, allowing me to put a significant amount of heavier plugins like, say, Acustica (just as an example) on a single channel.
Following that,
I will say that the Interface used does make a difference in handling high polyphony, heavy handed processing plugins, in a large project, and how well the drivers are written by said manufacturer, relieving the stress of the DAW from glitching and crashing.
With that said, when I went from 10 to 11 the crashing problem became significantly worse. It's like the added features was a setback in terms of opening and even playing back existing projects, forcing me to upgrade my computer.
Call it poor workflow, but if I want to work how I work, why should an updated daw be my compromise when I didn't have issues before?
TLDR; plugin sandboxing is a must have for me!
All these extra features, IDK i barely scratched the surface of the 11's features..
Too many ingredients for the sandwich making it unappetizing to eat.
Bounce in place saves way more time than freezing in Live's current implementation, especially when daws like Bitwig have hybrid tracks.
The track context menu now has a command 'freeze and flatten' which is basically the same thing as bounce in place
Flexible Dock and undock device area/piano roll or session view . Or at least offer recalling customize layout. So we can use multiple monitor for each element
Ios app like touchable even already had implemented custom layout about 8 years ago
For me, Live will forever be what it started out as (a creative sound design and performance tool).
I don’t want it to be a “do everything” DAW. I have Cubase for that.
Will Ableton Live 12 have midi sysex support? Does it current version already have it by now? I'm still on version 8.1 on a decade old laptop. Time for a major upgrade.
Weaver I need to know if in the 12 beta you can preview from piano roll playhead when multi-clip editing. (ctrl+space windows/opt+space mac). I'd pay the upgrade just for this
Me too - been reporting that bug for ages
A way to map the start time of current pad/chop (Simpler) to a MIDI knob or something would be a big upgrade to the simpler imo.
Having to look up and grab my mouse to drag the start of sample chops is a big work flow killer for me. They don't even show up anywhere visually in the DAW, but with a Push these paremeters "exist" and are already assigned to knobs, i believe.
Would be great to chop and play samples without having to reach for my mouse.
and you can adjust the plugin latency but you have to enable it on the bottom right
The "Global Key/Scale" feature isn't a global setting. I believe it is automatable and adjustable between clips.
Yes thats true I didn't really elaborate on that.
I still haven’t used the free synth from the last free update so a new synth is very low on the list of things I wanted in the paid update
In nowadays there is no need new synths. Everything will be done with a basic waveforms. The next level what everyone looking for is modulation of this simple waveforms.
Do the delay options do dotted 8th and 4ths? I'm still on v9 as none of the updates since have been enough to tempt me over. I can do enough with my arrangement skills or with 3rd party free VSTs/Max. I always wanted multiple arrangement windows, but end up saving multiple files. Ableton spent all this time on Push and really should just make a dedicated audio interface along the lines of RME's quality.
They also neeeeed to update their amp and cab sims and allow import of IRs.
Take the mixer in arrangement view one step further and add in session view so we can see the clips being recorded on the timeline during our performance.
wait the delay compensation thing for synced midi HAS been corrected; there's now an option for it
DAW Wars 1. The Phantom MidSide
DAW Wars 2. The Lack of Attack
DAW Wars 3. The revenge of the Synth
DAW Wars 4. A new Interface
DAW Wars 5. The OS Strikes Back
DAW Wars 6. The Return of a Familiar GUI
DAW Wars 7. The Subscription Awakens
DAW Wars 8. Loop Chest Achievements
DAW Wars 9. The perfect DAW for the DAWless jam.
Disney Canon.
DAW Wars. The Acoustician
DAW Wars. Rough Mix v.001.3
I could go on, but had best not
Etc...
CLIP Folders / Containers so you can not destructively cut samples and also you dont need to render them from Arrangement to session view.
My wishes:
- Higher/lower LFO rates
- Complete control over the tuning of every note in every octave on every instrument
- No Grid option or better grids for working with strange time signatures and imperfect forms (8+1 bars)
All three of these are already available in Live 11.
@@morecowbell2611 No they are not.
@@LesterBrunt What do you mean exactly with higher/lower LFO rates? You can't go lower than 0 hz, and if the default M4L LFO doesn't go high enough, then you could just adjust the device yourself. Complete control over tuning, how does MPE not satisfy this? You can turn off the grid anywhere you like, so what am I missing?
@@morecowbell2611 LFO rates that go lower than 32 bars, and why only limited to 8-16-32, etc. why can't I just put in 77.6 bars?
You can tune with microtuner but it is limited to 1 octave scale, you can't tune every individual note from lowest to highest register.
There will always be a black and white grid even if you put on off. This is annoying when you are working with loads of time signature changes.
I have Reaper, FL, and Ableton. Reaper is my goto unless I need features or workflow from the other two, or when I'm following a tutorial (esp when the project file is a download). There are features in one that I'd love to see in another. For Ableton: multiple project tabs, bounce in place, sandboxing plugins, lua scripting (m4l is a pain for stuff that's easy to write in script form), more flexible midi and audio (like Reaper -- tracks can contain either midi or audio or both, midi channels are properly supported), midi only plugins. There's a few.
And allowing actions, either built in or defined in scripts, to be triggered by OSC messages. (You can do so much with that, without the DAW having to do anything extra: just expose the DAW to OSC messages and let external software do the rest.)
M4L devices are just so unstable. makes them completely unusable. M4L being more powerful isn't helpful, it needs to be stable first. the devices are a nightmare and always have been. Idk why they pretend its not a complete mess.
Problem is that Max MSP was never a well optimized program to begin with. It's inherent to the nature of a program that is decades old doing real-time high level object oriented programming. Then you get to the issue of integrating it into Live and frankly i'm surprised it runs as well as it does.
@@2ndattention Yeah I get all of that. But there was not an Asterix when I purchased Live, explaining that m4l is antiquated and therefore will not run properly. The reason it's unstable isn't really relevant. I'm a paying customer who has been sold m4l as part of the sale & I cannot use it.
Yeah it’s bad when a simple lfo tool adds 2% to cpu usage. Add 10 lfo tools there goes your cpu.
The only thing that prevents me from switching from Pro Tools to Live is not being able to edit midi straight on a track. I hate writing and editing my MIDI notes in the piano roll.
Since about 50% of users use Ableton for live including myself. I wish they would make a native way to change instruments in a track. Rather than going through the hideous process of having instrument racks within instrument racks, changing the chain selection, mapping the device on/off to the chain to save cpu, re-adjust the chain ranges to the knob, and all that to be repeated for every new sound you would like to add.
+ You know make the software have a native way to save previous versions, so that when it crashes for the 20th time you have a way to recover your project. I wasted half my hard drive saving projects again and again. Projectv1.8823, save as project V1.8824 etc .
My personal feature wishlist:
Monitor FX, Plugin Sandboxing, pitch correction like Melodyne, better delay compensation
Monitor FX, yessss pleassse! I hate it when I forget to disable my room correction EQ when bouncing
And bounce in place would also be my absolute top request
Agreed on latency. If I'm working solo it's not as serious, but when I have gigs I gotta jump into Pro-Tools. Which is not ideal for workflow O.o
How about the performance and stability are they the same ?
For the features,along these, being able to search for samples per folder without opening a tree of them would save us a lot of anxiety.
started hobbying around in fl
got serious in ableton.
then... great succes, after that big depression
now im hobbying again, but with a modular synth in bitwig.
As a bedroom producer you have a choice, but if you want a career in production you best learn many DAWs and be willing to be comfortable in any and live with it’s limitations as where you may work likely won’t choose your preferred DAW
I want freeze groups and ... call me crazy.. I want an FL style step sequencer. It's been consistently the one thing I miss about FL.
Also I want to be able to double click a sample in the browser and not have it load in. Sometimes I just want to audition the sample and click a pattern with it before deciding on it like in FL
I don’t understand.
You can already pre-listen any file (sample, midifile, etc) in Live’s browser.
@@pw6002 Yes but if you double click it it will load a Simpler channel with the sample in it. I want to tap my mouse a lot so I can audition my drum samples to the rhythm before I choose to use it
@@Teddyrobinsonyou can use arrow keys in the sound browser to do this, right arrow key plays the sound.
there are also plenty of free m4l step sequencers available.
@@unelias5688 No way! I'll try the arrow keys. And I *just* got m4l so will check that too thanks
@@unelias5688 The arrow keys changed my life!! Can't believe I didn't know that
I’ll just continue to use FL Studio as a VST in Ableton. Also, can we please get a damn ping button for working outside the box with analog hardware?
I would have loved to see an update to the old synths. See them expanded as the wavetable and overall nicer
I have Ableton 9 suite, is it worth upgrading?
I’m still running Ableton Live 9 should I upgrade ?
I think Studio One has a lot of these features mentioned in that reddit. Still thinking of picking up Ableton tho. The resampler feature in Live is nice.
Been wanting take the dive into S1, but I like tactile control and need my dedicated controllers. S1’s controllers don’t seem as deeply integrated as Live’s aside from the faderport. I’m probably just being lazy and don’t want to relearn a daw as much as I think I do 😅
bitwig
Yep. I’d agree with those suggestions. But even if they don’t add them YET, It’ll still be my goto daw. Not even bothering with logic on my new laptop.
THAT ASD ISSUE THO. i hate it because it creates them in my sample folder and when i wanted to copy the folder for my friends who dont use ableton all of the asd files are in it and make it so cluttered.
Yea they should look at this list!
When are they gonna fix the issue of their become delay issues when routing the output of a return track to an audio track?
They need to decrease the upgrade price because this update aint worth 239 bucks Canadian for me
Space bar slap delay happens on several plugins in Ableton, it’s a fucking pain in the ass. Also, I wish it would just know when you plug headphones in. Like, I plugged headphones in, just switch my output to that automatically. Small gripes, but valid nonetheless. Great video as always, thanks.
That headphones idea would be nice, lol!
BiP would not be hard to implement. It's almost like an FU that they didn't bother.
There's a free BiP M4L device btw.
My biggest problem is the unbearable performance issues I encounter when recording audio for small live shows. Despite setting the sample rate to 1024 and using a very modern and capable gaming laptop, I frequently experience bugs where stereo tracks randomly stop recording, individual tracks render at dramatically slower rates than the rest, and freeze and crash constantly. On many occasions, I have lost multiple songs in one show due to errors with Ableton. These recordings run for up to 2 hours and consist of up to 8 channels at 24-bit 96k.
Good and useful vid weaver !
You've done stuff with my nephew Danson/Paradigm. This Ableton 12 video is on point. 💯🤙🏽
How about mouse hover over a parameter and using the mouse wheel to change the value instead of dragging the mouse.
FAM Grooves for arp is a fire idea. We might be able to do it with midi tool but fam I love that idea
WHAT ABOUT MOVING THE TRACKS FROM THE RIGHT TO THE LEFT?
The sounds that fit and lock is what I've been wanting without detailed and thoroughly explaining it.
The real problem with Ableton is the price 🤷🏻♂️
And the worst thing is no sale on Black Friday , I wanted to buy mine today 😢
12 has been on sale at a considerable discount for owners of (in my case) 11 Suite for some time.
@@allancerf9038 its been 20% off, I thought Black Friday would have a bit more.
It’s too damn expensive!
holy shit just learned you can sandbox a plugin and I want it NOWWWWW. I've probably got hours total just staring at Ableton loading trying to remember what I was working on before I lose it after a crash
Damnnn bitwig has all the abelton wish list lol
1:17 where are those packs from?
Other 2 improvements: In drum rack, Copy to siblings for every parameter and the possibility to automate every parameter in midi and audio clips (the fact that you can't automate the transform knob in Live 12 it's pretty ridiculous imho) like the detune parameter for example. you can automate the transpose but not the fine detuning.
Channel’s output level matched to the input level. This should be in EVERY DAW in fcking 2023.
I love that grape theme color.
As a sound designer I miss a huge amount of functions:
The ones you listed
+
A stable video support. Most of the sound design is usually made for videos. So while Ableton Live is seeing itself as the most creative daw a lot of us have to create a pack of sounds, and go somewhere like Studio One or Nuendo to actually mix them for video.
AAF support or at least the new universal daw files from Betwig and Presonus
Ability to use multiple sample editing softwares. Cuz I use RX and melodyne, so have switch them all the time (I got tired of that, so I use them stand-alone now)
A better velocity editor: make it more flexible.... Ability to pull multiple notes' velocities etc.
Ability to see all the added plugins in mixer mode. So you could easily pull them from one track/group to another
Polywave file support
Dolby Atmos
Some of those functions will kill the simplicity of Ableton interface, but those tool should b able to hide when not needed
You can pull the velocity of multiple notes!
@@neqkk I kind of do... But it's not as good and it's done in FL
If they start doing atmo$ stuff I am *out*.
@@tracewidthIf they make it an optional paid addon I'm good with them adding it, then I won't have to pay extra for licensing some spacial junk I don't give a crap about. :)
"Ability to pull multiple notes' velocities" just select several notes and you can edit their velocity as a group
On my laptop, Ableton takes over three minutes to load on startup. It also crashes if I accidentally unplug my headphones, which you do a lot on a laptop. I switched to bitwig, which starts in about fifteen seconds on the same computer. It doesn't crash if I unplug my headphones, switch interfaces, or breathe on it wrong. The backbone of Ableton's engine is stuck in 2002. Its search engine and library are stuck in 2002. Its latency issues are stuck in 2002. For $1000 bucks a copy, you'd think they'd make updates that jump out of the computer, shine your shoes, and give you a back massage.
Capture MIDI but for Automation would be GAME CHANGER, Abelton PLEASE do this
I tell ya what’s WROMG ABLETON 12:
It’s Ableton. The Motto: Make it be cool. Does it bother us that it’s soul-less? Fuk no!”
I asked H.Zimmer if he’d like to give it a twirl. He said, “I’m a musician; what the Fuk you takin’ bout??