I know you're a Presbyterian and that's probably why you did the Presbyterian history, but I still think it would be interesting for you to do this for other denominations if you can, at least for mainline protestant denominations.
Many channels deal with it. I highly recommend Ryan Reeves. In many ways, he is much better than Zoomer. He is a professor of Christian History or something like that.
I’d like to see a good breakdown on how and why exactly the main line went liberal. What is the second great awakening an issue with that? Did that influence Echo down and impact the main line 70 or 80 years later? I would like to know what I’d like to have some details. I’ve actually googled into this and outside of ready to harvest I haven’t seen anything on this at all
The first great awakening was true because if you read the sermons of Whitefield, Wesley, Edwards it is only biblical exposition on fire (no altar calls or experience emphasis really) just a call to repentance and faith in Christ. The second, however, was filled with heresy, emotionalism and pelagians like Finney
We left the PCUSA over 30 years ago because they were debating gay marriage and gay ordination (among other things) at that time. Our minster wasn't sure abortion was wrong, and one of the women elders openly did not believe in the Trinity. While I admire your hope to change the PCUSA, we could not stay and let our children be taught in that denomination. Even at that time, I am not sure many of the members were even believers. I think believing in the Trinity is a non-negotiable. We are in an incredibly healthy and growing ARP (Associate Reformed Presbyterian) church. We have strong expository preaching, we sing beautiful hymns and psalms and use the regulative principle of worship. I thank God for our church, because there are so many non-denominational evangelical ones that have watered down their theology, teaching, and worship. Revival in the PCUSA would likely require a supernatural great awakening, because most of the true bible believers have left by now (other than some internal missionaries like yourself). Nice work on your videos!
There are some people that I'd argue it would be very bad for them to "stay and fight." Your case, since you have kids, definitely seems like one. I'd also say baby Christians and fragile Christians, such as those with a background of religious OCD or legalistic trauma should not attend such churches. Only those who are strong in the faith should even attempt such a thing since you need sound doctrine as a foundation first. I appreciate those who take on this mission. I personally live in a rural area where such a thing doesn't even exist. There are no large mainline churches within reasonable distance so I can't contribute either even if I wanted to.
Redeemed zommer, you build beautiful churches in Minecraft. May I recommend city building games like SimCity or Cities Skylines where you can build Christ-centered cities in creative mode, so to speak. The modding communities have created mods where you can add various churches, and you can create your own as well. I thought about these games when you mentioned Christians taking back the liberal cities. It might be something worth considering.
Hey guys, i have a question to every person that is reading this. What kind of christian content is lacking on CZcams (or on the internet) in your opinion, what would you like to see more? What kind of CZcams channel would you start if you would have the time, money and skill? For example: christians talking about politics in a biblical way, christians reviewing secular movies....
What about a channel that debunks Atheistic thought in 10-25 minute long parts.That will give you access to a big audience and will also help you review and reflect your videos performances and what can be changed with them.
A channel with a collection of best Biblical sermons ever preached (from all true Christian denominations, no Liberals), a true voice in the wilderness. Sermons from 33 AD until today basically.
I appreciate that you typically avoid editorializing and stuck to the facts. This i s quite possibly one of the biggest reasons your excellent channel is so popular! Keep up the great work!
Heresy would be a spectrum if the acceptance of moderate heresy didn’t lead to full-blown heresy by moving the Overton window of acceptable theology (or lack thereof).
I want to nuance this by saying that the First Great Awakening really wasn't an abandonment of tradition anymore than the Reformation was. It was preachers reviving within existing denominations. Even John Wesley. He didn't intend to start a Methodist denomination; only to reform the Church of England. That split was more a result of political events than religious ones. The Second Great Awakening, however, absolutely was a true break from tradition as you had people, some of whom weren't Christian to begin with, actually starting brand new churches that were attempting to "restore" the church of the first century, on top of a lot of previously unheard of apocalypticism, and people introducing beliefs that were alien to Christianity and writing entirely new gospels to justify the shift.
@@Avram_Orozco Yes, I have firsthand experienced bad forms of conservative Baptists. Growing up Baptist, I'm not sure I even heard the gospel preached. The focus was more on rules than anything. However, you cannot generalize all Baptists because of some bad ones. Baptists are some of the most genuine and loving Christians you'll meet. They also aren't wrong on everything, such that water baptism doesn't regenerate. I just think their form of church government is bad since it gives too much leeway to those with nefarious intentions.
Mr Zoomer, why and how does your world have like infinite railtracks going on and on forever? It is cool, but like why was it done? Were there just in the past some people whose whole thing on the server was to build tracks? Was much of it done with command blocks?
We need to go back to one Presbyterian Church. The conservatism of the OPC, the sacramentalism of the Scots Confession, the architecture of the of the ARP and PCUSA, the evangelicalism of the PCA, and the logo and name of the PCA, this is the way.
I'll take it 10 steps further and say the whole church should come back together ❤️. There's too much separation between us. Sorry bro I rant a lot. I just love my brothers and sisters in Christ.
@@mmtoss6530 That's the problem. Too many Presbyterians are split on baptismal regeneration for there to ever be one Presbyterian denomination I think. I don't think baptismal regeneration follows faith alone, and neither does many Presbyterians. However, Zoomer and others would obviously disagree with me.
@@ihiohoh2708 zoomer, nor has Presbyterians ever believed in baptismal regeneration in the Catholic or Lutheran sense. We just believe that baptism is more than a symbol and actually gives grace to the elect. It is the teaching of all the major Reformed Confessions.
@@ihiohoh2708You're free to believe anything you wish, of course, but you cannot be a confessional Presbyterian and Reformed and reject absolutely every possible link between baptism and regeneration. It's simply not the position of the Presbyterian confession writers. (Or, I would argue, more importantly, the Biblical writers, but that's another story).
"Chosen by God" and "The Holiness of God" by R.C. Sproul make a good "101" for Reformed Theology before you move on to the Books thejoshuaproject recommended as four of them (the Westminster Confession, the Westminster Catechisms and Calvin's Institutes) are *Vital* ! as they will make the Books he recommended a little easier to understand. Hope that Helps :)
@@thejoshuaproject3809 I love the Sproul recommendations and Confessions and Catechisms already mentioned, but I'd first recommend reading "What is Reformed Theology: Understanding the Basics" by RC Sproul. It's an outstanding and easy to understand introduction to reformed theology.
I know this sounds crazy, but you should go on an urban planning podcast. Conservatives in this country need to embrace public transit. I truly hate how it is such a divisive issue when it doesn't need to be
So many uni students in my church (PCA) take the LRT in my city since it opened, and it has some of the best teachings. (Someone is gonna say taking transit breaks the 4th commandment lol)
Interestingly, here in Scotland, so was Alexander Hislop, father of basically the entire 'everything Christmas and Easter is not only Catholic, but pagan and Babylonian' movement, popular among some Fundamentalists, Restorationists and was even regularly quoted by the Jehovah's Witnesses. In fact, even 2000s New Atheists adopted the claims (including Richard Dawkin's foundation, though they've since rightly redacted it, as it is entirely erroneous). As a Scottish Presbyterian, allow me to apologise.
On top of the Reconquista, why not push for some of these denominations to rejoin? He’s basically all the non-liberal groups could join back into another Presbyterian denomination without any real issue. That wood in the meantime at least give them a little more institutional power and some ability to do things. It’s kind of like having the Byzantine empire instead of the Latin successor states. Even the rump Byzantine empire had more power and influence than the Latin empire did
I guess my family were not old school as I never knew any presbyterians believed in the sacrament of communion all presbyterians in my family believe it is just a symbol but they do believe baptism saves though
I really hope some day you open up to having a conversation with an atheist and leftist on your channel, because whenever i watch your videos i have so many questions
Are you sure that theological liberalism didn’t spread faster in the north due to the massive influx of German immigrants at that time? You said the movement started in Germany and most of them settled in the north.
This is an interesting video though. I didn't know anything about calvinist and presbyterian history until now I forgor how many days its been since I've been asking to get unbanned someone please help 💀
@@ihiohoh2708 America has experienced detrimental influence by the dispensationalist. More recently, the Public has move closer in embrace towards Reformed Theology in response to the growing degeneracy of society. This is one of God's sovereign means of bringing His people closer Him in truth. How? Through suffering and greater evil. Reformed Theology , albeit not perfect but is the purest and highest expression and understanding of our Christian faith. When we study Church history, we then come to another realization, Reformed Theology is simply being Presbyterians. And the Reformed Baptists movement today is simply an inch closer to embracing the total Reformed understanding of the Word and God. God bless you bro.
@@jkproluigi7473 Oft. Awful. I think there's an important distinction here. Has this document on denial of the virgin birth become an actual confessional basis of the church that it's founded on (and which pastors must subscribe to) - if so, frankly, they're simply not a part of Christianity and the Church. If it's just a document published by people in the church advocating for such a view, then it's disgusting and appalling, but you can argue it's not a foundation of the church and can be reasonably opposed by faithful members as being contrary to the church's confession and creed.
I agree the female pastors are wrong but not heresy. But not believing in 6 literal days of creation is heresy. If you say there is death before sin then you are denying a foundation of the gospel
If you are referring to animal death, Jesus did not die for the animals, so there is no Gospel contradiction. Also, many plants die when harvested. Also, Scripture never says that there was no death before the fall, it asserts that there was no human death.
Yes, and there was no sun the first four days. The Bible gives us the definition of a "day": a period of light, or periods of light separated by darkness. We hardly know how Heaven works, and God Himself tells that time is not relevant to Him. 6 Biblical days could very much be around 4 billion years.
@@RobertG3567 Plants are not alive in the Biblical meaning of the word. 1. God said "it was good" 7 times in the first chapter of genesis. and says "it was very good" in verse 31. God has a higher standard of good than we do. To God only perfect is good. "no one is good except the Father". Also 7 is the number of perfection and completion. Do you think God would say animals eating each other and dying of cancer was "very good"? 2. "cursed is the ground for thy sake" "Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee". God cursed the world because of Adams sin. There were not even thorns before sin. "the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now" because of mans sin and the fall. 3. When Christ returns to defeat death and sin and redeem the world it will be like before Adams sin. "The wolf shall live with the lamb, the leopard shall lie down with the kid, the calf and the lion and the fatling together, and a little child shall lead them. 7The cow and the bear shall graze, their young shall lie down together; and the lion shall eat straw like the ox. 8The nursing child shall play over the hole of the asp, and the weaned child shall put its hand on the adder’s den. 9They will not hurt or destroy on all my holy mountain; for the earth will be full of the knowledge of the Lord as the waters cover the sea." 4 The sun was created after plants. Did plants live thousands or millions of years without the sun? and also The Earth was created before the stars, not according to evolution and modern "science" my friend.
Personally I am a proddie hater cus they don’t believe in Mary and have overly money focused prayers. But the day redeemed zoomer releases a video I don’t like is the day hell freezes over
What do you mean we don’t believe in Mary? lol she was the mother of Christ, but we don’t worship her and neither do Catholics or Orthodox. You seem confused
Hey, St Peter’s Basilica didn’t build itself. “When the coin in the coffer rings, a soul from purgatory springs.” Truth is, there are always weeds amongst the wheat in every denomination. When it comes to Mary, she is blessed amongst women, and certainly a great example of God’s grace. I’m sure it would be great to meet her in the world to come. Anything beyond that goes beyond what is written, and really borders on idolatry.
@@redeemedzoomer6053of Hippo? where? He is a doctor of the church. Which means he taught in accordance with the Roman Catholic Church. Also he is 4th- fifth century not exactly early Christian
Any Christian of any tradition believes in predestination, as it's explicitly named in Scripture. You are, of course, free to disagree with a Reformed or Protestant interpretation of it.
@@TheOrderofTheBoanerges Romans 8:29-30, Ephesians 1:5 & 11. Again, this is not a defense necessarily of a Protestant interpretation of these verses, but predestination is clear Biblical language that all Christians can (and do) accept as the plain words of Scripture.
The global Methodist churches did the right thing. They knew they were never going to get as good a chance as they had now to make sure their buildings would continue to be used for faithful Christian ministry. The way the UMC was structured a heretical bishop could just force heretical pastors on the conservative congregations and there was nothing they could do about it.
Common misconception about Jefferson. While he definitely held some unorthodox views about the Bible and God, he definitely was NOT a deist. The only actual prominent deist figures in American independence were Thomas Paine and Ethan Allen. Many of the famous founders did range from orthodox to unorthodox to flat out heretical, but overwhelmingly most were not actual deists.
isn’t the calvinist view of holy communion nestorian? separating the body and blood of Jesus into it’s mystical (godly) form and physical (human) form?
But identifying that there is indeed both a bodily and divine nature, distinct but in union, wouldn't be Nestorian - none of us here (Prots, Catholics, Orthodox) are Monophysitists who think we can only ever speak of one single (divine) nature of Christ, we readily accept therer are two natures, and speaking of such is not necessarily 'separating' them.
@@Mic1904 But to say we DONT recieve him bodily, isn't that breaking up the hypostatic union in some way? If it's the person of *Jesus*'s body & blood you are recieving then that requires recieving him in both natures or else you are breaking up the union?
RZ, I love your videos and absolutely support the Reconquista. However, I think you tend to emphasize there’s a theological spectrum with issues YOU are nuanced on (evolution vs. YEC) but then lump all theological liberals in with literal heretics when it’s an issue you’re hardline conservative on (LGBT issues). Most scholars see many Old Testament texts as fundamentally different and less historical than the Gospels. A “theological liberal” who doesn’t read OT verses on sexuality as applicable to modern times but also believes in the literal Resurrection, the virgin birth, real presence in communion, etc. is perfectly logically consistent. Frankly reading all of Scripture the same is just not a litmus test for Christianity. The New Testament is HISTORY in a way that Genesis just is not, for example. You can be a pro-LGBT or pro-evolution Christian without being a heretic, and it’s ridiculous to lump those folks in with truly heretical progressive pastors.
Thanks for the well-thought-out comment. I have acknowledged that not all LGBT-affirming Christians are heretics, especially in my big video "5 stages of progressivism" For simplicity sake, I do tend to speak of theological liberalism as one thing with heretics being the extreme end of it and non-heretical LGBT-affirmers being a more moderate end
In order to be pro LGBT affirming you either need to deny the inerrancy of the Bible or do mental gymnastics to deny it is a sin. While I'd say some of those that follow these doctrines can be genuinely saved, me formerly being one of them as a baby Christian, I would be hesitant to not call it heresy since it outright removes verses from the Bible. It's one thing to have a different interpretation of Scripture, but to outright deny Scripture is very dangerous. Also, the New Testament makes it clear it is wrong.
@@ihiohoh2708 More liberal Pastors don’t just DENY Scripture here, they have (admittedly liberal and nuanced) reasoning behind what Scripture is actually telling us - e.g., based on the context, Paul being condemning Pederasty rather than consensual homosexuality. Either way, I don’t see it as different (as far as being “heretical”) than taking such a huge step as interpreting Genesis metaphorically - as MANY Christians do. I think heretical accusations must be restricted to much more essential doctrines like the Trinity and the literal Resurrection.
@@fighterofthenightman1057 It does seem like a gospel issue to me in the sense that I think in order to believe it, you must still hold on to the idea that people have good in them since it is in a sense a rejection of law/sin. Which obviously no one is good and all have sinned. That is why we need Jesus. However, since someone can believe such a thing and still be saved, perhaps you're right that it's not strictly heretical. I'd say it's awfully close though. Especially to those that teach it more than those that follow it.
I’m not Presbyterian, but it’s always a good day when a Redeemed Zoomer video drops.
I know you're a Presbyterian and that's probably why you did the Presbyterian history, but I still think it would be interesting for you to do this for other denominations if you can, at least for mainline protestant denominations.
Many channels deal with it. I highly recommend Ryan Reeves. In many ways, he is much better than Zoomer. He is a professor of Christian History or something like that.
I’d like to see a good breakdown on how and why exactly the main line went liberal. What is the second great awakening an issue with that? Did that influence Echo down and impact the main line 70 or 80 years later? I would like to know what I’d like to have some details. I’ve actually googled into this and outside of ready to harvest I haven’t seen anything on this at all
The first great awakening was true because if you read the sermons of Whitefield, Wesley, Edwards it is only biblical exposition on fire (no altar calls or experience emphasis really) just a call to repentance and faith in Christ. The second, however, was filled with heresy, emotionalism and pelagians like Finney
We left the PCUSA over 30 years ago because they were debating gay marriage and gay ordination (among other things) at that time. Our minster wasn't sure abortion was wrong, and one of the women elders openly did not believe in the Trinity. While I admire your hope to change the PCUSA, we could not stay and let our children be taught in that denomination. Even at that time, I am not sure many of the members were even believers. I think believing in the Trinity is a non-negotiable. We are in an incredibly healthy and growing ARP (Associate Reformed Presbyterian) church. We have strong expository preaching, we sing beautiful hymns and psalms and use the regulative principle of worship. I thank God for our church, because there are so many non-denominational evangelical ones that have watered down their theology, teaching, and worship. Revival in the PCUSA would likely require a supernatural great awakening, because most of the true bible believers have left by now (other than some internal missionaries like yourself). Nice work on your videos!
There are some people that I'd argue it would be very bad for them to "stay and fight." Your case, since you have kids, definitely seems like one. I'd also say baby Christians and fragile Christians, such as those with a background of religious OCD or legalistic trauma should not attend such churches. Only those who are strong in the faith should even attempt such a thing since you need sound doctrine as a foundation first. I appreciate those who take on this mission. I personally live in a rural area where such a thing doesn't even exist. There are no large mainline churches within reasonable distance so I can't contribute either even if I wanted to.
Redeemed zommer, you build beautiful churches in Minecraft. May I recommend city building games like SimCity or Cities Skylines where you can build Christ-centered cities in creative mode, so to speak. The modding communities have created mods where you can add various churches, and you can create your own as well. I thought about these games when you mentioned Christians taking back the liberal cities. It might be something worth considering.
Hey guys, i have a question to every person that is reading this. What kind of christian content is lacking on CZcams (or on the internet) in your opinion, what would you like to see more? What kind of CZcams channel would you start if you would have the time, money and skill? For example: christians talking about politics in a biblical way, christians reviewing secular movies....
A Christian history series
Super in depth theology.
What about a channel that debunks Atheistic thought in 10-25 minute long parts.That will give you access to a big audience and will also help you review and reflect your videos performances and what can be changed with them.
A channel with a collection of best Biblical sermons ever preached (from all true Christian denominations, no Liberals), a true voice in the wilderness. Sermons from 33 AD until today basically.
@@oscarfabi_ooh, that’s a good idea actually
I appreciate that you typically avoid editorializing and stuck to the facts. This i
s quite possibly one of the biggest reasons your excellent channel is so popular! Keep up the great work!
I'm from Dallas although I'm Catholic the Highland Park Presbyterian Church is absolutely beautiful
Can you do the history of Lutheranism in America?
Heresy would be a spectrum if the acceptance of moderate heresy didn’t lead to full-blown heresy by moving the Overton window of acceptable theology (or lack thereof).
Great work RZ, a video on whether the church should allow freemasons and what free masons are would be very interesting
I want to nuance this by saying that the First Great Awakening really wasn't an abandonment of tradition anymore than the Reformation was. It was preachers reviving within existing denominations. Even John Wesley. He didn't intend to start a Methodist denomination; only to reform the Church of England. That split was more a result of political events than religious ones.
The Second Great Awakening, however, absolutely was a true break from tradition as you had people, some of whom weren't Christian to begin with, actually starting brand new churches that were attempting to "restore" the church of the first century, on top of a lot of previously unheard of apocalypticism, and people introducing beliefs that were alien to Christianity and writing entirely new gospels to justify the shift.
If only the baptist religion and such examples of the radical reformation didn’t exist lmao
@@Avram_Orozco Yes, I have firsthand experienced bad forms of conservative Baptists. Growing up Baptist, I'm not sure I even heard the gospel preached. The focus was more on rules than anything. However, you cannot generalize all Baptists because of some bad ones. Baptists are some of the most genuine and loving Christians you'll meet. They also aren't wrong on everything, such that water baptism doesn't regenerate. I just think their form of church government is bad since it gives too much leeway to those with nefarious intentions.
This was great, thanks. Any chance we could get a tour video of this wonderful Kingdomcraft world?
When will you be opening the Minecraft Server IP again?
Yes
Hilarious intro btw.
Amen❤
Can you upload your background maybe? I love it
My ancestors were some of the first Presbyterians in America
I can't wait to hear your "opinions" on the ACNA 😂
I'm a methodist but I love redeemed zoomer bc he's sharing historic protestant theology with a new generation!
Mr Zoomer, why and how does your world have like infinite railtracks going on and on forever? It is cool, but like why was it done? Were there just in the past some people whose whole thing on the server was to build tracks? Was much of it done with command blocks?
Very random but I totally agree on needing better transit haha
I didnt check in for like a month, when did he get these 200k subs??!!?!?!
We need to go back to one
Presbyterian Church. The conservatism of the OPC, the sacramentalism of the Scots Confession, the architecture of the of the ARP and PCUSA, the evangelicalism of the PCA, and the logo and name of the PCA, this is the way.
I'll take it 10 steps further and say the whole church should come back together ❤️. There's too much separation between us.
Sorry bro I rant a lot. I just love my brothers and sisters in Christ.
@@Jesuslover2000 I won’t mind that, as long as we are allowing to affirm salvation by faith alone.
@@mmtoss6530 That's the problem. Too many Presbyterians are split on baptismal regeneration for there to ever be one Presbyterian denomination I think. I don't think baptismal regeneration follows faith alone, and neither does many Presbyterians. However, Zoomer and others would obviously disagree with me.
@@ihiohoh2708 zoomer, nor has Presbyterians ever believed in baptismal regeneration in the Catholic or Lutheran sense. We just believe that baptism is more than a symbol and actually gives grace to the elect. It is the teaching of all the major Reformed Confessions.
@@ihiohoh2708You're free to believe anything you wish, of course, but you cannot be a confessional Presbyterian and Reformed and reject absolutely every possible link between baptism and regeneration. It's simply not the position of the Presbyterian confession writers. (Or, I would argue, more importantly, the Biblical writers, but that's another story).
History with RZ is always: 👌🏻
I’m new to reformed theology. What are some good books I can check out to learn more? Thanks!
"Chosen by God" and "The Holiness of God" by R.C. Sproul make a good "101" for Reformed Theology before you move on to the Books thejoshuaproject recommended as four of them (the Westminster Confession, the Westminster Catechisms and Calvin's Institutes) are *Vital* ! as they will make the Books he recommended a little easier to understand.
Hope that Helps :)
@@thejoshuaproject3809 Thanks Brother :)
Love and Peace.
@@thejoshuaproject3809 I love the Sproul recommendations and Confessions and Catechisms already mentioned, but I'd first recommend reading "What is Reformed Theology: Understanding the Basics" by RC Sproul. It's an outstanding and easy to understand introduction to reformed theology.
I would recommend the Belgic confession and the Hidelberg Catechism. Those are my favorite Reformed confessions.
How is the PCCSA/PCUS not mainline if they are just the mainstream old school Presbyterians of a different country/part of the country?
because rz doesnt like their politics lol
I'm a nondenom, but even with the slander I love the vids
Nondenominationalism is an oxymoron
@@Avram_Orozco believe me, I know that
@@silaswarren8418 when you where brought up or converted to nondenom were you aware of this hypocrisy?
Hi, Zoomer. Greetings from Brazil. :)
I am atheist but I enjoy your videos.
That's awesome.
Amen❤❤🎉🎉😊😊
It seems like a huge chunk of Presbyterian history in the U.S is missing in the very beginning of the video. We went straight to the PCUSA
Every five seconds, a Protestant denomination forms 💀
OPC had no impact? I would say that OPC's Westminster Theological Seminary had more impact on Christianity in America than Princeton Seminary had.
Amen
Any opinions about ICCC and Carl McIntyre?
I know this sounds crazy, but you should go on an urban planning podcast. Conservatives in this country need to embrace public transit. I truly hate how it is such a divisive issue when it doesn't need to be
BASED! I hate car dependency and love trains, I couldn’t agree more
So many uni students in my church (PCA) take the LRT in my city since it opened, and it has some of the best teachings. (Someone is gonna say taking transit breaks the 4th commandment lol)
how can i join the server
Lutheran history in America video next?
Is there anyway I can join the server
1:10 The Orthodox and Catholics in the comments will also be like "Presbyter means priest, not elder"
You know, both Barton Stone and Alexander Campbell were Presbyterians. So you could argue that Restorationism came from Presbyterianism
Interestingly, here in Scotland, so was Alexander Hislop, father of basically the entire 'everything Christmas and Easter is not only Catholic, but pagan and Babylonian' movement, popular among some Fundamentalists, Restorationists and was even regularly quoted by the Jehovah's Witnesses. In fact, even 2000s New Atheists adopted the claims (including Richard Dawkin's foundation, though they've since rightly redacted it, as it is entirely erroneous). As a Scottish Presbyterian, allow me to apologise.
16:39, but surely that was not believed in the 1800s.
I'm Mormon, but Redeemed Zoomer videos are always awesome brain food.
15:40 That's not theological liberalism, that's abject heresy.
God bless
Make a crusade video
We need regular Christian clothing, my brotha
Please enlighten me zoomer, but what is the benefit of rootedness, tradition, and mainline denominations? What is the inherent benefit of those?
On top of the Reconquista, why not push for some of these denominations to rejoin? He’s basically all the non-liberal groups could join back into another Presbyterian denomination without any real issue. That wood in the meantime at least give them a little more institutional power and some ability to do things. It’s kind of like having the Byzantine empire instead of the Latin successor states. Even the rump Byzantine empire had more power and influence than the Latin empire did
People have built some weird stuff in that world
build high speed rail (nether ice boats)
I guess my family were not old school as I never knew any presbyterians believed in the sacrament of communion all presbyterians in my family believe it is just a symbol but they do believe baptism saves though
I really hope some day you open up to having a conversation with an atheist and leftist on your channel, because whenever i watch your videos i have so many questions
He just had a conversation with an openly gay universalist “minister”.
Are you sure that theological liberalism didn’t spread faster in the north due to the massive influx of German immigrants at that time? You said the movement started in Germany and most of them settled in the north.
Aren't those Lutherans?
This is an interesting video though. I didn't know anything about calvinist and presbyterian history until now
I forgor how many days its been since I've been asking to get unbanned someone please help 💀
And he started after the reformation period and he centered it in the US history, so there are a lot more things to know.
@@pedroguimaraes6094 its something tho
Despite its roots in Georgia, Presbyterians are outnumbered by Baptists by at least 100 to 1
you should rename your battle axe the Zoomer Boomer
I actually think reformed baptist eventually become Presbyterians when persecution starts heating up.
What do you mean by this?
@@ihiohoh2708 America has experienced detrimental influence by the dispensationalist. More recently, the Public has move closer in embrace towards Reformed Theology in response to the growing degeneracy of society. This is one of God's sovereign means of bringing His people closer Him in truth. How? Through suffering and greater evil. Reformed Theology , albeit not perfect but is the purest and highest expression and understanding of our Christian faith. When we study Church history, we then come to another realization, Reformed Theology is simply being Presbyterians. And the Reformed Baptists movement today is simply an inch closer to embracing the total Reformed understanding of the Word and God. God bless you bro.
You forgot about RPCNA
How to build good churches
Presbyterianism is history in America
Doesn't the PCUSA have a document that denies some of the fundamentals of Christianity outlined in Apostles/Nicene?
Which in particular?
@@Mic1904 That's why I'm asking but I'm %90 sure they have a document that denies the virgin birth.
@@jkproluigi7473 Oft. Awful. I think there's an important distinction here. Has this document on denial of the virgin birth become an actual confessional basis of the church that it's founded on (and which pastors must subscribe to) - if so, frankly, they're simply not a part of Christianity and the Church. If it's just a document published by people in the church advocating for such a view, then it's disgusting and appalling, but you can argue it's not a foundation of the church and can be reasonably opposed by faithful members as being contrary to the church's confession and creed.
Is it correct that you wouldn't be allowed to be ordained in your denomination because you would refuse to ordain women?
I agree the female pastors are wrong but not heresy. But not believing in 6 literal days of creation is heresy. If you say there is death before sin then you are denying a foundation of the gospel
If you are referring to animal death, Jesus did not die for the animals, so there is no Gospel contradiction. Also, many plants die when harvested. Also, Scripture never says that there was no death before the fall, it asserts that there was no human death.
Yes, and there was no sun the first four days. The Bible gives us the definition of a "day": a period of light, or periods of light separated by darkness. We hardly know how Heaven works, and God Himself tells that time is not relevant to Him. 6 Biblical days could very much be around 4 billion years.
@@RobertG3567 Plants are not alive in the Biblical meaning of the word.
1. God said "it was good" 7 times in the first chapter of genesis. and says "it was very good" in verse 31. God has a higher standard of good than we do. To God only perfect is good. "no one is good except the Father". Also 7 is the number of perfection and completion. Do you think God would say animals eating each other and dying of cancer was "very good"?
2. "cursed is the ground for thy sake" "Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee". God cursed the world because of Adams sin. There were not even thorns before sin. "the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now" because of mans sin and the fall.
3. When Christ returns to defeat death and sin and redeem the world it will be like before Adams sin. "The wolf shall live with the lamb, the leopard shall lie down with the kid, the calf and the lion and the fatling together, and a little child shall lead them. 7The cow and the bear shall graze, their young shall lie down together; and the lion shall eat straw like the ox. 8The nursing child shall play over the hole of the asp, and the weaned child shall put its hand on the adder’s den. 9They will not hurt or destroy on all my holy mountain; for the earth will be full of the knowledge of the Lord as the waters cover the sea."
4 The sun was created after plants. Did plants live thousands or millions of years without the sun? and also The Earth was created before the stars, not according to evolution and modern "science" my friend.
Viva la Reconquista!
Nuh uh
Personally I am a proddie hater cus they don’t believe in Mary and have overly money focused prayers. But the day redeemed zoomer releases a video I don’t like is the day hell freezes over
Easily the dumbest thing I'll read today. I'm glad to get that out of the way early.
What do you mean we don’t believe in Mary? lol she was the mother of Christ, but we don’t worship her and neither do Catholics or Orthodox. You seem confused
@@ihiohoh2708 Nah, he's rumbled us and our secret sneaky belief that Mary is imaginary, along with the Loch Ness Monster.
Hey, St Peter’s Basilica didn’t build itself. “When the coin in the coffer rings, a soul from purgatory springs.”
Truth is, there are always weeds amongst the wheat in every denomination. When it comes to Mary, she is blessed amongst women, and certainly a great example of God’s grace. I’m sure it would be great to meet her in the world to come. Anything beyond that goes beyond what is written, and really borders on idolatry.
@@ihiohoh2708 she was the mother of God. And should be prayed too and asked for guidance as much as christ
Problem, early Christians didn't believe in faith alone or predestination
Augustine
@@redeemedzoomer6053of Hippo? where? He is a doctor of the church. Which means he taught in accordance with the Roman Catholic Church. Also he is 4th- fifth century not exactly early Christian
Any Christian of any tradition believes in predestination, as it's explicitly named in Scripture. You are, of course, free to disagree with a Reformed or Protestant interpretation of it.
@@Mic1904 which verse if you don't mind?
@@TheOrderofTheBoanerges Romans 8:29-30, Ephesians 1:5 & 11. Again, this is not a defense necessarily of a Protestant interpretation of these verses, but predestination is clear Biblical language that all Christians can (and do) accept as the plain words of Scripture.
The global Methodist churches did the right thing. They knew they were never going to get as good a chance as they had now to make sure their buildings would continue to be used for faithful Christian ministry. The way the UMC was structured a heretical bishop could just force heretical pastors on the conservative congregations and there was nothing they could do about it.
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I heard you think highly of the late Pastor Tim Keller. Didn't he become a big advocate of critical social justice and wokeism within the last decade?
Common misconception about Jefferson. While he definitely held some unorthodox views about the Bible and God, he definitely was NOT a deist. The only actual prominent deist figures in American independence were Thomas Paine and Ethan Allen. Many of the famous founders did range from orthodox to unorthodox to flat out heretical, but overwhelmingly most were not actual deists.
Lookup the Jefferson Bible. He cut and pasted all of the supernatural events from the Bible so that he could get to the “pure” teachings of Jesus.
Right, but that’s not what deism is, though heretical.
Didn't he rewrite the Bible to exclude miracles?
Yes but that doesn’t qualify him as a deist, just a false Christian.
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isn’t the calvinist view of holy communion nestorian? separating the body and blood of Jesus into it’s mystical (godly) form and physical (human) form?
But identifying that there is indeed both a bodily and divine nature, distinct but in union, wouldn't be Nestorian - none of us here (Prots, Catholics, Orthodox) are Monophysitists who think we can only ever speak of one single (divine) nature of Christ, we readily accept therer are two natures, and speaking of such is not necessarily 'separating' them.
@@Mic1904 But to say we DONT recieve him bodily, isn't that breaking up the hypostatic union in some way? If it's the person of *Jesus*'s body & blood you are recieving then that requires recieving him in both natures or else you are breaking up the union?
Im a Catholic in a line of presbyterian ministers going back to scotland. Im very Catholic and believe it to be true but I am proud of my history.
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John Knox Split off though. He didn't really reform the Scottish Church he just convinced many to leave with them.
Hey sir, if you want to try and help Christianity return, maybe you could talk to someone in government?
Bro, you have a very poor understanding of presbyterian history in America.
If there are errors I want to hear them so I can be corrected
RZ, I love your videos and absolutely support the Reconquista. However, I think you tend to emphasize there’s a theological spectrum with issues YOU are nuanced on (evolution vs. YEC) but then lump all theological liberals in with literal heretics when it’s an issue you’re hardline conservative on (LGBT issues).
Most scholars see many Old Testament texts as fundamentally different and less historical than the Gospels. A “theological liberal” who doesn’t read OT verses on sexuality as applicable to modern times but also believes in the literal Resurrection, the virgin birth, real presence in communion, etc. is perfectly logically consistent. Frankly reading all of Scripture the same is just not a litmus test for Christianity. The New Testament is HISTORY in a way that Genesis just is not, for example.
You can be a pro-LGBT or pro-evolution Christian without being a heretic, and it’s ridiculous to lump those folks in with truly heretical progressive pastors.
Thanks for the well-thought-out comment. I have acknowledged that not all LGBT-affirming Christians are heretics, especially in my big video "5 stages of progressivism"
For simplicity sake, I do tend to speak of theological liberalism as one thing with heretics being the extreme end of it and non-heretical LGBT-affirmers being a more moderate end
In order to be pro LGBT affirming you either need to deny the inerrancy of the Bible or do mental gymnastics to deny it is a sin. While I'd say some of those that follow these doctrines can be genuinely saved, me formerly being one of them as a baby Christian, I would be hesitant to not call it heresy since it outright removes verses from the Bible. It's one thing to have a different interpretation of Scripture, but to outright deny Scripture is very dangerous. Also, the New Testament makes it clear it is wrong.
@@ihiohoh2708 More liberal Pastors don’t just DENY Scripture here, they have (admittedly liberal and nuanced) reasoning behind what Scripture is actually telling us - e.g., based on the context, Paul being condemning Pederasty rather than consensual homosexuality. Either way, I don’t see it as different (as far as being “heretical”) than taking such a huge step as interpreting Genesis metaphorically - as MANY Christians do. I think heretical accusations must be restricted to much more essential doctrines like the Trinity and the literal Resurrection.
@@fighterofthenightman1057 It does seem like a gospel issue to me in the sense that I think in order to believe it, you must still hold on to the idea that people have good in them since it is in a sense a rejection of law/sin. Which obviously no one is good and all have sinned. That is why we need Jesus. However, since someone can believe such a thing and still be saved, perhaps you're right that it's not strictly heretical. I'd say it's awfully close though. Especially to those that teach it more than those that follow it.