It's quiet when it doesn't have a cartridge because the drive pin is not engaged into the flywheel /motor because this machine relys on the cartridge membrane to provide the tension a stay up spring would
I was just looking at this! And was seriously considering getting it. I as well am a complete beginner..well I don’t know if you can call it that. Definitely want to start tattooing just need the equipment. I have the time being a 100% disabled Vet so it’s just school and my family and needed something to learn and possibly make another career out of since I’m not working currently. And oddly feel like it will be very therapeutic as well
Just ordered this 4 days ago! Looking to slowly put together what i need to start learning as a complete beginner. I was anxious to see if it is a good machine or not so i really appreciate your review and now i am excited, waiting for it to arrive 😊
Nice ! I just got my mast flip 2 weeks ago now I got my eyes on the fold , I’m new to tattoo but loving it , I have art background so that’s helping, if things work out tattooing for me I will need a second machine so the fold it will be , I did three practice skins already and made 4 tattoos on my self , will continue wAtching ur videos my brother it’s been a big help
No problem I think they have a package now that comes with a spare battery. Which is the weak point of the machine. I like it alot don't get me wrong just needs more batt or spare batt.
@@TortugaPH I have a couple questions for you. Do you remember how was the machine shipped to you? via USPS Shipping? or UPS Shipping? How long do you have to wait for it to arrive? Thank you :)
I’m doing mostly traditional and line work, so I want the harder hit of a 4.2 stroke. I am comparing the Archer Max 4.2 with the Fold Pro. Will the Fold Pro (or even Flip Pro) perform as well as the Archer Max 4.2 at lining/packing? If they perform equally at the higher stroke setting,I would buy a Fold Pro for the stroke adjustability. Willing to spend more unless the Archer Max is a better liner.
Hey what do you think. I am looking to start out and cant decide between fold pro, flip pro, x7, and racer. Does adjustable stroke really matter over having something thats 3.5 mm stroke like x7? From what ive read 3.5 is very versatile but dont know because I dont have hands on experience. Also, is brushless worth it over coreless? Thanks for your time.
I'd get either flip pro or fold pro then re invest into a steady stroke machine 9nce you find your ideal stroke. You probably end up with a few down the line specific for each need. Be it stronger lining or soft shading.
Nice, informational vids thnks! Is there any way its fair to compare the X7 and this Fold Pro? Or can I assume these are complete different machines for a beginner? Thanks in advance.. Greetings from the netherlands
hi there!I have one too.What voltage do you use it for lining?I usee to ru it at 8.3 but i have seen that on reel skin it tears it...On human skin though i didnt have any problem...any ideas?
thank you for your reply!Maybe you can help me a little bit woth one problem i have seen.Yesterday i was practicing again on reel skin. I had my stroke on 4.2 mm( dragonhawk fold pro) and used a 3 rl to make the lines . I noticed that the reel skin (if i stretch it) looked liked having cuts on the lines i made(not through cuts)...Is this normal?Then i tried to lower the voltage from 8v to 7, 6 and even 5 volts and at 4.7 volts was ok.But isn't this too low?
First of all, I would like to thank you for this useful video. I have a question. Which do you think is better, Dragonhawk Mast Fold Pro or Bronch V12? As someone who reviews both machines.
The v12 is awesome as well. It's battery life is better. It is much heavier thou. The fold is really really good at shading thou. Black works and realism artists love it. Also some fine line people too.
Hi, I've been thinking of getting one of these but can't find their authentic site, they have like 3 sites with different domain names, can you tell me which ones are authentic?
I’m curious how you sterilize this machine? I’m looking to buy it to start practicing but would like to have the possibility to use it on real skin but cannot find anywhere about how you take it apart and sterilize this machine
Does this machine have a problem with overheating like other Dragonhawks? I just had my second machine overheat and die on me. I like to run my liners around the 8-9v range but they can't handle the voltage for too long before they overheat and just die, which happened with my Mast Zion, which is advertised to run at a start of 9v. Looking for an honest answer, I know this is a sponsored video but I can't afford to have to spend $200+ every month when my machines die on me. And is there anything I can do to prevent this and still run the voltages I prefer? I didn't think 8-9v was too much for my machines but I guess they can't handle my smoke. 😂
I'm sure it can handle the voltage but will probably drain pretty fast. Max 4 hours. The battery in this machine isn't that great. You'll be better off with a fixed stroke pen or a pen with a strong battery. Examples are mast archers and the mast flip pro. Those can run high volts and have long lasting batteries. Just a tip when it comes to batteries. It's best not to completely drain them although I always do. Also don't over charge the meaning try not to leave it charging overnight.
@@TortugaPH Hey thanks for the response. I did order one anyways because it has the ability to use an RCA cable but I'll probably use it as a backup machine more. I was looking at the archers and I had the chance to borrow one from a fellow artist and it did actually hold up pretty well so I'm gonna grab one of those eventually as well.
Good to know, I had my eye on this. I normally only use the high $$ machines & I run my lines at 12v & shading 10v so I’m sure I’d get like an hr out of battery lol
@@TortugaPH for mandalas (with some linings) and dotwork 4 or 4.2 stroke is better than 3.5, right? because i am thinking about getting mast lancer with stable 4.2 stroke instead of fold pro because fold pro has worse battery.
That's the jump start feature. It's normally better for coreless motors.jump start is when the machine starts at a higher rpm or voltage then drops down to your last used voltage.
Hi new sub here., i was watching your videos and now i am confuse about which one to buy., i am a beginner and really wants to buy a good one, i just want to ask if which is better the fold pro or the mast archer? I hope you can answer my question., thanks a lot for a well reviewed videos and more power
An adjustable stroke pen is good if you want to learn how to use different stroke settings. It's a more advanced machine but more useful for learning. The mast archer with a fixed stroke at 3.5 is a good beginner machine as well. 3.5 is kinda the best all around stroke. If I were you I'd start with a regular mast flip.
I've had the machine for a few months now, I love it but the battery life is dookie, I get maybe 3-4 hours out of it, reminds me of the shorty battery for the bishop wands, if they could make a 2000mah slightly larger battery for it that lasts 6-8hrs+, that would be awesome. its a good enough machine that they should make it a modular line, batteries, grips, disposable grips etc.
At what voltage are you running it? I use it at 6-7 volts and it lasts me atleast over 5 hours. I wish they sold them with 2 packs so you could switch between the two.
@@TortugaPH I run it around 8.5-9 volts for lining. I drop it to 7-8 volts shading. Might just be the amazon version, I got it when they were sold out on the official dragonhawk website, Getting the mast archer 4.2mm, I run a 4.0mm FK irons EXO as my daily driver and honestly the Fold Pro, Ambitions Soldier and mast tour pro are just as good if not better.
@@corylara8081 i agree the battery pack is pretty bad on this but pen performs well. used it a few more times and it drains after 5 hours they should sell this as a bundle with a spare pack
@@valeriksart47 yeah been getting messages saying they sell packs for this. kinda wish they did a bundle where it comes out cheaper if you get the spare battery along with the machine rather than separate.
I really like your channel, can you tell me the recent machines you've reviewed, which line works best.? Because I do Asian and Japanese works, I will wait for your reply. Thank you.
I liked the fold pro best among the recent ones. For lining and everything. I also like the mast sensor which is about 4 months old but really good machine
Woo..I'm surprised, you answered my question very quickly, These days I have a headache so I have 2 brands: Xnet, ambition, ..But don't know how..? What do you think about the above 2 brands?
@TortugaPH just an all rounder really but one that has enough hit to punch out some larger lines. I'm a little worried that my shading won't be so smooth with 4mm stroke on the racer.
This machine is dog water. This has got to be the softest hitting machine I have ever used. The only strokes that change anything is 4.2 and 2.4. at least on my unit. To add to the fact my cam already failed. At about 15 hours of tattoo time. The racer and the X7 are still going strong.
@@lucasbottinha no! 15vhours in and the cam failed. Dragonhawk told me I can purchase a new cam, but only 15 hours into a machina and the cam fails is a definite no for me.
What's your favorite machine? I got this machine about 2 months ago and it does seem to be really soft... I was sold on the adjustablilty but haven't tried any other pens. I was looking at the bronc v12 or the racer. How's the racer treating you?
They've paid a bunch of small CZcamsrs to do videos like theses. Where they don't tell people what they're really like. It's a really cheap machine. Of course it's a piece of shit haha.
Someone messaged me on IG asking me about this. Turns they have so many orders of this machine that they're sending the battery ahead of the machine. I think it's pretty dumb that they do that thou.
I am giving away a mast archer. Deadline for joining is December 7 2023. Goodluck everyone. czcams.com/video/dtWhsU_IpWc/video.htmlsi=fiNkX85ZCsEO9Onw
It's quiet when it doesn't have a cartridge because the drive pin is not engaged into the flywheel /motor because this machine relys on the cartridge membrane to provide the tension a stay up spring would
I was just looking at this! And was seriously considering getting it. I as well am a complete beginner..well I don’t know if you can call it that. Definitely want to start tattooing just need the equipment. I have the time being a 100% disabled Vet so it’s just school and my family and needed something to learn and possibly make another career out of since I’m not working currently. And oddly feel like it will be very therapeutic as well
Just ordered mine, thank you so much for the code btw! You just got a new subscriber 🙌🏼
Just ordered this 4 days ago! Looking to slowly put together what i need to start learning as a complete beginner. I was anxious to see if it is a good machine or not so i really appreciate your review and now i am excited, waiting for it to arrive 😊
Nice bro. It's definitely a good machine. I really like it.
Mine took 18 days. Just recieved it yesterday. We both are on the same path as a complete beginner
@@valeriksart47 mine came few days ago , but im still waiting for the catridges ....
@@vasomamatsiou1123 that's odd that the carts didn't arrive with the machine.
Me aswell
Just bought one today. Can't wait to use it.
Do a updated bro how was it
Nice ! I just got my mast flip 2 weeks ago now I got my eyes on the fold , I’m new to tattoo but loving it , I have art background so that’s helping, if things work out tattooing for me I will need a second machine so the fold it will be , I did three practice skins already and made 4 tattoos on my self , will continue wAtching ur videos my brother it’s been a big help
Is your flip the pro version?
@@TortugaPH no the first flip , my only issue with it is how hard the ajustements are to turn
@@TortugaPHHowcome you ask?
did you try the cnc p6 and mast racer as all arounder machince like bishop packer?
thank you for this video !
Haha i should have waited a bit for your review. I ordered it few days ago with your 10%
Some people having problems using the 15 I'm gonna check on it soon
I ordered this just waiting to it to come in can any cartridge fit on it or just the ones that say fold pro cartridges
I hope I'll will have that machine soon what a nice pen ❤
Once you wore out both stroke wheel, is there any chance that you can buy one again?
I have been considering about getting this machine. Thank you for the discount code.
No problem I think they have a package now that comes with a spare battery. Which is the weak point of the machine. I like it alot don't get me wrong just needs more batt or spare batt.
@@TortugaPH I have a couple questions for you. Do you remember how was the machine shipped to you? via USPS Shipping? or UPS Shipping? How long do you have to wait for it to arrive? Thank you :)
@@ELY3M I'm from the Philippines so the shipping company is different.
Hello, i see the core only have 6000RPM, maybe its a bit low for lines?
i am thinking of getting one too.❤
What brand cartridges do you use?
I have heard people are having problems with the buttons breaking?Are they durable?
I’m doing mostly traditional and line work, so I want the harder hit of a 4.2 stroke. I am comparing the Archer Max 4.2 with the Fold Pro. Will the Fold Pro (or even Flip Pro) perform as well as the Archer Max 4.2 at lining/packing? If they perform equally at the higher stroke setting,I would buy a Fold Pro for the stroke adjustability. Willing to spend more unless the Archer Max is a better liner.
Flip pro or archer max is better for trad stuff. But I'd say archer max
hi could you please explain how to wrap/clean this machine? i have trouble understanding if the grip is removable or not
It's removable then you can clave grip and uv oven the whole pen
Do i need to oil the machine at all
hi! in addition to the stroke, is it possible to adjust the length of the needle?
Yup It can. Most machines can do that.
Stuck between this and the flip. Looking for adjustable stroke. Going from a coil machine. What fo you think?
fold pro is way better
Im a beginner, I can't decide between this one and the Ambition soldier... which one you recommend ? thanks a lot and great video
Adjustable stroke machines are the way. Either the flip or fold pro
Hey what do you think. I am looking to start out and cant decide between fold pro, flip pro, x7, and racer. Does adjustable stroke really matter over having something thats 3.5 mm stroke like x7? From what ive read 3.5 is very versatile but dont know because I dont have hands on experience. Also, is brushless worth it over coreless? Thanks for your time.
I'd get either flip pro or fold pro then re invest into a steady stroke machine 9nce you find your ideal stroke. You probably end up with a few down the line specific for each need. Be it stronger lining or soft shading.
as an experience artist i suggest the fold pro
The boss cheap machine, to me, my only one
Nice, informational vids thnks! Is there any way its fair to compare the X7 and this Fold Pro? Or can I assume these are complete different machines for a beginner? Thanks in advance.. Greetings from the netherlands
They're diffeent my x7 video is flawed I must admit. Its actually better than I thought but I still like the fold pro more imo.
Yuuuup🎉🎉
hi there!I have one too.What voltage do you use it for lining?I usee to ru it at 8.3 but i have seen that on reel skin it tears it...On human skin though i didnt have any problem...any ideas?
I only line with 8volts for bigger needle groups. 7 for 1-7rl slow hand speed.
thank you for your reply!Maybe you can help me a little bit woth one problem i have seen.Yesterday i was practicing again on reel skin. I had my stroke on 4.2 mm( dragonhawk fold pro) and used a 3 rl to make the lines . I noticed that the reel skin (if i stretch it) looked liked having cuts on the lines i made(not through cuts)...Is this normal?Then i tried to lower the voltage from 8v to 7, 6 and even 5 volts and at 4.7 volts was ok.But isn't this too low?
Does it hit hard for lining? Have you tried any discover device machines?
It's good for lining. Nope I haven't if you could link it to me on my ig il take a look at them.
First of all, I would like to thank you for this useful video. I have a question. Which do you think is better, Dragonhawk Mast Fold Pro or Bronch V12? As someone who reviews both machines.
The v12 is awesome as well. It's battery life is better. It is much heavier thou. The fold is really really good at shading thou. Black works and realism artists love it. Also some fine line people too.
Btw I'm giving away a mast archer. Checkout the 4 years later video on it.
needles stick out the cartridge while on standby
How is it for something like a 27 mag? I like doing black work 😁
A higher stroke pen would be better. Like the mast max.
How do I apply the promo code?
I tried various ways and not working to me.
Just type tortugaph15
Does the extra battery necesseraly need to be the same?
Yes it does.
Im thinking to buy this or Ava ep10 but dont know.. have you used ava ep10?
Nah I havent
Hi, I've been thinking of getting one of these but can't find their authentic site, they have like 3 sites with different domain names, can you tell me which ones are authentic?
The on linked on the description
I’m curious how you sterilize this machine? I’m looking to buy it to start practicing but would like to have the possibility to use it on real skin but cannot find anywhere about how you take it apart and sterilize this machine
I will start making disassembly vids soon. But you just remove the grip and throw that in the sterilizer
You can put the whole machine in a uv over too. And of course properly wrap the machine.
How much was that?
Does this machine have a problem with overheating like other Dragonhawks? I just had my second machine overheat and die on me. I like to run my liners around the 8-9v range but they can't handle the voltage for too long before they overheat and just die, which happened with my Mast Zion, which is advertised to run at a start of 9v. Looking for an honest answer, I know this is a sponsored video but I can't afford to have to spend $200+ every month when my machines die on me.
And is there anything I can do to prevent this and still run the voltages I prefer? I didn't think 8-9v was too much for my machines but I guess they can't handle my smoke. 😂
I'm sure it can handle the voltage but will probably drain pretty fast. Max 4 hours. The battery in this machine isn't that great. You'll be better off with a fixed stroke pen or a pen with a strong battery. Examples are mast archers and the mast flip pro. Those can run high volts and have long lasting batteries. Just a tip when it comes to batteries. It's best not to completely drain them although I always do. Also don't over charge the meaning try not to leave it charging overnight.
@@TortugaPH Hey thanks for the response. I did order one anyways because it has the ability to use an RCA cable but I'll probably use it as a backup machine more. I was looking at the archers and I had the chance to borrow one from a fellow artist and it did actually hold up pretty well so I'm gonna grab one of those eventually as well.
Good to know, I had my eye on this. I normally only use the high $$ machines & I run my lines at 12v & shading 10v so I’m sure I’d get like an hr out of battery lol
Does it change the stroke or just needle depth ?
Both can be adjusted
@@TortugaPH nice one mate…thank you ✌️
They just started selling the battery separately
good to know its a good pen but lacks battery life would definitely recommend if they sell packs as bundle
Hey bro can u do with this Machine stripple shading?
It can do stippling
Do you prefer this or the Flip pro? The low battery on this seems kind of annoying
Depends on the kind of work. Build wise I do like fold more. The flip has more power thou and a better battery
@@TortugaPH for mandalas (with some linings) and dotwork 4 or 4.2 stroke is better than 3.5, right? because i am thinking about getting mast lancer with stable 4.2 stroke instead of fold pro because fold pro has worse battery.
I got one
If you hit the power button 4 to 5 times instead of holding it you get a lightning bolt on your screen, what does this mean?
That's the jump start feature. It's normally better for coreless motors.jump start is when the machine starts at a higher rpm or voltage then drops down to your last used voltage.
@@TortugaPH thank you for the quick reply.
Hi new sub here., i was watching your videos and now i am confuse about which one to buy., i am a beginner and really wants to buy a good one, i just want to ask if which is better the fold pro or the mast archer? I hope you can answer my question., thanks a lot for a well reviewed videos and more power
An adjustable stroke pen is good if you want to learn how to use different stroke settings. It's a more advanced machine but more useful for learning. The mast archer with a fixed stroke at 3.5 is a good beginner machine as well. 3.5 is kinda the best all around stroke. If I were you I'd start with a regular mast flip.
@@TortugaPH thank you so much for your suggestions ♥️♥️♥️
I've had the machine for a few months now, I love it but the battery life is dookie, I get maybe 3-4 hours out of it, reminds me of the shorty battery for the bishop wands, if they could make a 2000mah slightly larger battery for it that lasts 6-8hrs+, that would be awesome. its a good enough machine that they should make it a modular line, batteries, grips, disposable grips etc.
At what voltage are you running it? I use it at 6-7 volts and it lasts me atleast over 5 hours. I wish they sold them with 2 packs so you could switch between the two.
@@TortugaPH I saw sir audz TV here in YT... He got this unit with 2 batteries. I guess they no longer sell it with 2 packs of battery
@@TortugaPH I run it around 8.5-9 volts for lining. I drop it to 7-8 volts shading. Might just be the amazon version, I got it when they were sold out on the official dragonhawk website, Getting the mast archer 4.2mm, I run a 4.0mm FK irons EXO as my daily driver and honestly the Fold Pro, Ambitions Soldier and mast tour pro are just as good if not better.
@@corylara8081 i agree the battery pack is pretty bad on this but pen performs well. used it a few more times and it drains after 5 hours they should sell this as a bundle with a spare pack
@@valeriksart47 yeah been getting messages saying they sell packs for this. kinda wish they did a bundle where it comes out cheaper if you get the spare battery along with the machine rather than separate.
How long did it take to get to you? I ordered mine a week ago and my order still just says “processing.” Really want to give it a go!
Depending on the country I guess 2 weeks. They express deliver stuff to me cause I'm near china and a CZcamsr.
Same here, have you gotten yours yet?
I really like your channel, can you tell me the recent machines you've reviewed, which line works best.? Because I do Asian and Japanese works, I will wait for your reply. Thank you.
I liked the fold pro best among the recent ones. For lining and everything. I also like the mast sensor which is about 4 months old but really good machine
Woo..I'm surprised, you answered my question very quickly, These days I have a headache so I have 2 brands: Xnet, ambition, ..But don't know how..? What do you think about the above 2 brands?
@@sicoart61 I only used ambition before it's okay but I ref dh or bronc
Thank you very much, wish you a lot of health.!
Where to buy this product?
Link in the description
Hey discount code is not valid, can we expect new anytime soon?
Really it should be working got 3 notifs today
@@TortugaPH just checked twice, it doesn’t work
Have you used the code before? Thanks for the info I can inform the company about it.
@@TortugaPH maybe I tried the code but haven’t bought anything earlier
Discount Code not working 😢
tortugaph15 it should work
Nope, same code in the video description no luck
Mast fold pro or mast flip?
Hmm flip pro over fold pro but fold pro over flip.
Do you prefer the fold pro or the racer?
Depends what I'm doing but overall maybe the racer
@TortugaPH just an all rounder really but one that has enough hit to punch out some larger lines. I'm a little worried that my shading won't be so smooth with 4mm stroke on the racer.
i was torn between the racer and fold pro. but ending buying the fold pro, way versatile at any stroke. 3.7 , 3.4 sumthing would soften the shade more
This machine is dog water. This has got to be the softest hitting machine I have ever used. The only strokes that change anything is 4.2 and 2.4. at least on my unit. To add to the fact my cam already failed. At about 15 hours of tattoo time. The racer and the X7 are still going strong.
Do u recommend it for a beginner?
@@lucasbottinha no! 15vhours in and the cam failed. Dragonhawk told me I can purchase a new cam, but only 15 hours into a machina and the cam fails is a definite no for me.
What's your favorite machine? I got this machine about 2 months ago and it does seem to be really soft... I was sold on the adjustablilty but haven't tried any other pens. I was looking at the bronc v12 or the racer. How's the racer treating you?
They've paid a bunch of small CZcamsrs to do videos like theses. Where they don't tell people what they're really like. It's a really cheap machine. Of course it's a piece of shit haha.
What does it mean it's soft?
I ordered a machine off that site and only got a battery no machine made me waste $300!
Someone messaged me on IG asking me about this. Turns they have so many orders of this machine that they're sending the battery ahead of the machine. I think it's pretty dumb that they do that thou.
Seeing a lot of bunk crooked ass lines😅
Yes lines on a shading piece. 👍
this, Lancer or fold pro for budget starter??
archer 4.2mm