American Reacts to The Stone Roses!
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- Let's delve into the captivating story of The Stone Roses. In this video, we'll explore the rise to fame, the artistic brilliance, and the eventual fall of one of the most influential bands in British music history.
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When the band was restricted from releasing new material by their record label in '91, they did release an album of songs previously unreleased and that helped immensely with the suffering and angst of not getting new music. Here in America, that album was called "Turns to Stone" and it deserves a mention. Here in the states, their 1st album release included the epic 9 min song "Fool's Gold" and it deserved a mention in that video as well
There's a good full length documentary called Made of stone which goes deeper into the story and also the story of them reforming
But that documentary basically covers the reunion era in 2010's
@condimentking414 Yeah I know but it covers the basics like Spike island and the recording injunction a bit more than this does as well.
a better documentary on the band (in quick form), would be Blood On The Turntable
Also "Blood on the turntables" episode. About the terrible deal and legal troubles.
A great Shane Meadows movie - goes to show, you can never relive past glories.
I've loved this band since I was 15 and I m now 42 and still listen and hear new things in the songs. Their song This Is The One is the song Manchester United use as the team come on to the pitch at Old Trafford. Goosebumps every time. Three of the four members of the Roses are Man Utd fans. 🌹 🌹 🌹
Their identity had nothing to do with Manchester Utd. They inspired an entire nation
@@spnhm34 Maybe not to anyone else, but to Man Utd supporters, their identity as Man Utd fans made them even more special.
United fan here, and Reni is a City fan. The new Stone Roses x Man Utd clothing by Adidas is beautiful.
@kavanelli Fair enough. Comment edited. Yeah, love the new apparel. Wish we had that when we were kids but better late than never.
@@whitedwarf4986As Mancunian City fan, I can tell you as a fact they didn’t play on football allegiances and were loved by everyone in Manchester, still are loved by many.
Brown and Squire have Utd as their team but they’re not big football fans like Mani and Reni, the latter is a huge blue.
In fact Ian Brown has said he likes City too and always wanted them to do well as his mum is a City fan.
My mates who are reds were also big Oasis fans and we went together to see both bands.
The Roses played at the Etihad in 2016 as well!
Manchester is divided when it comes to football but not music.
JAMES are the greatest band from Manchester, often overlooked but still going today with a HUGE following
@jjla - You need to check out James. They are my favourite band too. Their biggest record is Sit Down whilst their best album arguably is Laid with 2 big songs from it (Laid & Sometimes which are often the fans favourite). They are still going today. I saw them at Halifax Peace gardens last year and they have even played at the Acropolis. Both venues are very selective who plays as they are limited to something like 10 gigs a year.
I love "sometimes.." ❤️
They are a great band but the best? I can’t put them above New Order, Joy Division, Buzzcocks or The Smiths.
@@ThisCharminManc - A fine choice although I wouldn't put Buzzocks in the group of bands. New Order were my best until James stole the show in the mid-90s plus they keep on producing even better albums nowadays. PS Arcade Fire run James close!
Interesting fact is that the Gallagher brothers first saw The Stone Roses when they were the support act for James
I remember before the prospect of a second album from the Stone Roses, the rumour was that they intended to be like the Sex Pistols and only release one studio album as a singular outstanding piece of art.
The guy whose office they trashed wasn’t from Silvertone which was the independent label that they were signed to for eight albums. It was the guy who signed them for one single, which was Sally Cinnamon, which was the single prior to Elephant Stone, their first single with Silvertone.
The anticipation for hearing even a snippet from the second album is indescribable and would be beyond comprehension for people who have only ever really known music in the digital age.
It was announced that Love Spreads (the first single from a the Second Coming) would be debuted on a specific radio station at a specific time on the evening of a specific day and we were all sitting waiting by the radio for it coming on. I was at work in the cafe of a short crossing ferry and lucky for me, the radio debut happened halfway across, so no-one wanted any tea by then.
The Second coming was released at the end of ‘94 and I think just about everyone I knew bought a copy but it generally wasn’t loved in the same way that the first album was but it wasn’t hated either. I suppose the anticipation was the issue really as it had been teased for so long that a second album was coming, that there was no way that it could ever live up to the anticipation of an entire generation.
James are pretty famous another favourite of mine worth checking out
Nah
James are miles better
Their first album is one of my favourite albums. I also really love Second Coming
Great quote from Ian Brown, “It’s not where you’re from it’s where you’re at…”
Simple beautiful and true ❤
If you fancy learning more about he Manchester/UK Rave and club scene some notable documentaries on youtube are The Hacienda - The Club that Shook Britain, BBC 4 - Factory Records Documentary, The summer of rave 1989
Fabulous documentary
Although it's plays hard and fast with some of the truth even watching 24 Hour Party People gives you a good feel of the scene.
My favourite band of all time and a significant lesson to musicians about record contracts.
‘[11:55]…across the UK and Wales…’
- Wales is part of the UK. It’s like saying ‘…across the USA and Ohio…’ 😂
Story of Manchester, watch "24Hour Party People" the story of Factory Records. And Watch Withnail & I!
Brilliant film.. steve Coogan as Anthony H Wilson is gold!
I never got withnail and I. It left me bored. I don't know why because everyone thinks it's bloody genius.
@@robertcreighton4635 we can't all like the same things.
It was the Offices of FM Revolver, the first label that put one single out that they did the paint job on, not Silvertone the 8 album deal label. When the first album came out, we listened to it constantly. I still listen to it, The Second Coming was a good album, just not a patch on the first - but how do you follow something like that up? Coupled with the amount of time between releases just took the fire away. Their first album is in a-lot of people top 10s, it's in mine. Mani went onto join Primal Scream, John Squires founded the Seahorses and also released a number of solo albums as well as being a successful artist. Reni 'mysteriously' left the Stone Roses pretty much disappearing from the music scene, despite being considered by many to be the best drummer of his generation - he had a short-lived band called The Rub that didnt release any material and rejoined the Stone Roses for their 2011 reunion and shows in 2017. Ian Brown has had a number of solo albums and collaborations as well as a media career.
I was busy working in Rockfield studios when The Stone Roses turned up...as you can imagine lots of memories 😁.. but one vivid event stands out.. the day they returned from a visit to Silvertone head office..they had hired a Ford Orion I believe..on their return I was painting a door in the courtyard when they pulled up beside me and out they jumped covered in white gloss paint laughing their heads off..😂
80's 90's and 00's were so optimistic and fun in the UK we didn't realise how good we had it...things have gone backwards since then....
I’m from Manchester. There’s probably no single reason why so much culture came from here, people say there’s something in the water but it’s probably a number of reasons.
The weather is usually a bit cold, overcast and a seemingly constant light rain, we get the odd sunny day in July but you’ve got to be resilient if you prefer warmer sunnier climates.
Post industrial Britain had many northern towns that struggled with mass unemployment and a hard-hit working class.
Football and music is where lots of young men found an escape. It’s why the North West is such a hub for football and lots of great musicians came out of northern England. Bands likely started to inspire each other too.
I’m biased but people from Manchester are generally the coolest in the country, in terms of clothes and attitude (especially City fans 😉).
But if you’re going to point to a single thing that lit the spark of the Manchester music scene, it’s the Sex Pistols, obviously the London punk band, gig at the Free Trade Hall in the late 70s.
Despite the attendance being only 20 odd people, I think 4/5 famous bands and musicians were formed from the gig.
Half the audience went on to have chart success and become stars, taking inspiration from what they saw… basically the Sex Pistols blew everyone’s head off that night.
John Squire is a great guitar player he's just just made a new album with Liam Gallagher on vocals
LEGENDS. To their marketing, they were unheard and not even a real band and they rented a garage which was on a main road. They opened the doors and started playing and basically shut down Manchester. Nobody had heard them but it was uncool to admit that. Everything they did was built around John Squire, who was weirdly one of the best guitarists of all time
What's wrong with this sentence: "The group's self-titled record would be recorded across several studios in the UK and Wales"?
I just did a double take to that! I had no idea I wasn’t considered part of the uk 😂
@@VickyAitch You are Taff, you are 👍
@@VickyAitchI’m English and the amount of Americans I argue with online who say “he’s not British he’s Scottish” about someone is infuriating
@@tomben6180they think British is synonymous with English. Obviously not true but that’s how I see it. It doesn’t help when English people call themselves British. They’re correct but English is more specific
@@trevorcook3129 Well I call myself both to be honest, as I am.
I say I’m an Englishman a lot more than I call myself a Brit but I do use the latter on occasion.
I think you’re right, but it’s actually more specific than that, they see southern English people as synonymous with being British.
“A British accent” to Americans is a posh southern English accent.
As a Mancunian I don’t think they are thinking of me when they say it.
Check out Ian Brown's solo work it's amazing 😍😊
Ian brown also did solo albums, very good too. You should take a listen. F.E.A.R is one track youve definitely heard. ❤
I don’t really have any words to describe how much I loved them. They opened doors. They revolutionised what was possible. And they spearheaded a movement which had so much momentum. So many beautiful moments inspired by the Roses
The documentary Blood on the Turntable is an amazing insight into the sheer scale of the mis management of this band
Ian Brown is a national treasure.
James are also an awesome band
Geno Washington is great. Still going strong at 80. Saw him in London a couple of years.
Man I love the Stone Roses, John Squire guitar work is awesome, so much Hendrix influence. So when you look at some of the bands that came out of Manchester long before them you can see how music is a major player in Englands northern towns( Liverpool produced, IMO the best ever). So, bands like The Hollies, who's Graham Nash became a legend in the USA . Then we have probably the Kings of 70s disco sound, The Bee Gees, although they left Manchester for Australia when still young, they formed there first band, the Rattlesnakes in Manchester. 10cc from Stockport, a stones throw from Manchester also had great success stateside. A little further south, in the Midlands the birth of heavy metal, Black Sabbath & Led Zeppelin to name just 2 of the greatest. Thank you for this piece you have put together & if you want to see how "the Stonies" were admired, there's a movie called Spike Island in which 4 lads who dream of starting a band from there love of the stone roses music is quite an interesting insight of the influence they had.
Hes got one of those voices like a baddie in a james bond movie!
So Young and Tell Me were the 2 Roses tunes that initially struck a chord with me. They’re so raw and thrashy.
I'm old enough to remember when stone roses released their 1st album. Its a classic to me no a bad track. They burnt out too quicky.
"I am the resurrection " (the full ling version) is one of the greatest songs ever to dance to... absolute floor filler! That first album is a classic 👌
"Begging you" from the second album is also a great tune..
Ian Squire and Liam Gallagher recently released a single and an album is being released in a couple of weeks
The paint incident was the OLD record label not the one with 8 album deal. The old label was trying to cash in on the band so they exacted revenge
I’ve seen them Live 3 times. My Wedding Song/ First Dance was 10 Story Love Song. One of my favourite best Bands ever!
Loved this band. I went to their spike island concert. Tickets then were £13.00 . What a memory
You should do a "React" to "The Jam" They were huge in UK, at their peak there was no other band in UK to touch them and so many have been inspired by them 👍
Ian brown most definitely would NOT have used the word "gotten" ( as in 10 years for armed robbery). Why dont they just quote him properly and use "got" ? 🤬
Tony Wilson definitely wouldn't have said "mommies" either 😡
And ex instead of E
Stone roses ruined their own legacy first time around and second time around. I loved these so much but they were bone idle so don't deserve a third crack a bad attitude cockyness arrogance which always catches up with you.
It ended in 2017 please don't ressurect it.
@@kevhanson1262yeah there dead to me now
I’ve seen them 6 times since 1990
And I have to be brutally honest Ian’s singing is so bad live there was not one time in them 6 gigs he looked like he could be arsed
If it wasn’t for rene’ harmonies he would sound even worse
I do like what johns doing now with Liam and I’m sure the song JUST ANOTHER RAINBOW is a big dig at Ian
John Squier formed a band called The Seahorses and released one album, and it is a low key, under appreciated gem. Give it a listen.
The Stone Roses.
Great band.
RUN DMC even sampled the roses for their rap song 'whats it all about'
The Stone Roses. One of the best bands ever 👌👋
What??? They never had a number one single or album!!! So really not a great band
@@gmdhargreavesYeah, cos having a number one single is the only measure of a great band. See Led Zeppelin for details.
@@gmdhargreavesBy your measure The Bangles is a greater band than Led Zeppelin.
Seminal, ground breaking and so influential. They inspired a whole generation and beyond. From Blur and Oasis to Arctic Monkeys, Kaiser Chiefs and Kasabian. Pop charts mean nothing. It's all commercial corporate nonsense. The Stone Roses and Joy Division have left a legendary legacy forever.
@@zinnia2980I just wish that Brown and Squire could have been able to write more stuff together. Brown on his own has been quite prolific. His first three solo albums were great. Squire seems to have suffered from ‘writers block’.
I was there! There's some wild innacuracies here!
Two-tone was before madchester with its lower middle class music ... have a listen to the specials, the Selecter and the beat ... dexys midnight runners did a brilliant song about Geno Washington (Geno) a uk number 1
The power was not "cut" on the tv show. They blew a fuse in the electrics.
The record company office they wrecked with paint was the one that released only one single.
How many times will I have to tell you
You don't have to wait to die
You can have it all, any time you want it
Yeah, the kingdom's all inside
🍋
I loved to this band so much. Loved both albums, but the first was top class.
the paint incident was the office of their old label that they did their earlier singles with not their album deal.
I'm from Wolverhampton and was in some of the newscoverage filmed outside the court but the band had gone by the time I arrived. I was in college in Walsall at the time when a Roses fan told me the trial was that day. I wasn't that into the Madchester thing, I liked some of the bands I just wasn't a baggy being more into the local Stourbridge scene, but went to see what girls I could meet outside the court.
“Is there more in this world than the joy of just watching you sleep?”
New sub from Manchester, good times back in the day Ar Kid
One of the greatest bands of all time. They captured the mood of the late '80s early 90's perfectly with the Stone Roses (and others) being the sound track to the second summer of love. ...Oh and Oasis were a poor imitation with little musical talent and songwriting ability, who only made it because of the vacuum caused by the Roses' demise. One Love!💛🍋
Couple of years ago I went back and listened to The Second Coming and it's one class album well underrated...
You should check out James, they have a lot of fantastic music
Mani was an awesome bassist and went on to play with Primal Scream. The Stone Roses and Primal were two of my favourite bands during the 90's. So many late nigh/early mornings spent sprawled somewhere coming down to the dulcet tones of Ian Brown! lol. His solo work is awesome to btw well worth checking out.
Also if you want to understand Oasis you also have to listen to The Smiths. And watch the story about Johnny Marr's guitar and Oasis! ;)
Ahhhh, the Hacienda, the Stone Roses, the memories. Best half hour ever. Well, this week at least 😉.
Ian Brown has released some decent solo work that’s worth a listen, F.E.A.R. shouldn’t be missed.
I think everyone still secretly hopes for a one off Stone Roses gig, obviously on a warm summer evening. Just thinking of hearing the intro to ‘I wanna be adrored’ in a field somewhere as the sun sets. Bliss.
Omg! I used to speak to a woman on AOL Newschat, (20 odd years ago) called Sally Cinnamon....never knew where the name came from. Wonder what she's doing now?
Some interesting facts. Made of stone was a song about Jackson Pollock’s death, JP as you can tell from the covers were a big influence. The song waterfall and dont stop are the same song, dont stop is played in reverse with some small changes
I can't believe as an American, you hadn't heard of Geno Washington! He was a living legend here in England, prompting Dexy's Midnight Runners' 1980 single , "Geno" . I think the reason the narrator mentioned Seattle specifically was that from the late 80's , The Screaming Trees, Mudhoney and Nirvana had all had records out here either Sub-Pop imports or licenced pressings on British label, Tupelo.
ur voice is like silk i love it i also as a brit agree with u in all ur vids, i also love the way u listen to others opinion of the music u review keep doing u xx
Ian Brown has had a great solo career after Stone Roses.
Second Coming has aged really well. It’s a brilliant album, but when your debut is that iconic you’re never going to do anything but disappoint.
Thanks for this. I have great memories from this time. I think their first album was the first record I bought. There are techinally 3 albums The Stone Roses, Turns into Stone (B sides) and the Second Coming. All bangers.
There's also the album Garage Flower which was recorded in the mid 80s but not released until the mid 90s because they weren't happy with how it sounded at the time. There's early versions of a couple of songs from the first album on it. It's worth a listen
@@AH-wm3ri Garage Flower - like a punkier version of The Chameleons - I can dig that (!)
You think that even in the 1980s one album per year was too much? A few magic words for you - Prince, Frank Zappa, Anthony Braxton, Sun Ra, Horace Tapscott, Cecil Taylor...and, erm, The Fall, Zoogz Rift, Sleep Chamber, Psychic TV, Nurse With Wound...is that enough evidence to the contrary?
The Gallaghers thought you had to go to art school to be in a band but liked the working class Jam and Smiths, who didn't go to art school.
Well, if you use your brain, the Smiths presented as the type of band that were art students.
As much as everyone liked their music and Johnny Marr is a proper geezer, working class northerners weren’t like Morrissey and co.
They were like the Stone Roses.
Ian Brown's F.E.A.R ........... see if you can understand the lyrics
Came here to say this 😊
The Smiths also came from Manchester
Every time I hear the phrase ",gotten," I think of Oliver Hardy..we just DON'T use it apart from Ill Gotten Gains.
You guys missed out !! Tho 90’s
Happy Mondays
verve
Shed seven!!
Squire Guitar 👌🏻
Charlatans.
I’m a Sheffield lad! We took a lot of drugs !!
E LSD Base Leadmill Friday Saturday .. Blur Blurry
We loved Neil Young smashing pumpkins, Pearl Jam NVr Hole
Great vid 😊
Love the Stone Roses ❤
Stone Roses were brilliant band for the time, even magnificent, but their diehards are many and they aren't too different to soccer ultras. You say a bad word anything conaidering the band or the quality of a record or a performance be ready to meet your end.
Of course one could say this goes with any band's fans, but there's something peculiar about the Roses -people. And I LOVE roses, especially the period surrounding the debut. Singles, b-sides, outtakes, almost everything.
Some of browns solo stuff is quality. Watch the latest studio recording video of 'waterfall. It's a belter !!
Big fan of joy division then ian Curtis died enter joy division and blue Monday AWSOME.
fucking love them 🍋
The Stone Roses were killed and replaced with imposters. Their last single was One Love. Just contrast the vocals on the two albums.
A lot of detail missing from this video but most of it is right
..the paint wasn't thrown over the record boss who had them for 8 albums, it was the label who put out one singlethat got the paint because when the band became big they just kept re-releasing the single with a terrible music video the band had nothing to do with.
During the time when they were banned from recording they all grew apart, had kids, moved to different areas from each other and when they did finally get together to do an album everything changed, the gang mentality was gone and I heard the wifes and girlfriends all despised each other.
The other (kinda half confirmed by most of the band) rumour is they were all indulging in different drugs (Ian was smoking Snoop Dogg levels of weed, John was on Coke, Mani was drinking and doing Ecstasy and Reni was doing smack).
Squire assumed control to try and get the 2nd album done and cut Ian Brown out of the writing process, they were all on different wavelengths and the 2nd album suffered for it... despite this I still think about 6 tracks on the album are top tier, some of their best work and if they could have somehow sailed the storm I still believe they could have done some amazing music together.
Their debut album, is for me anyway, the greatest debut album of all time, and their impact on British culture was enormous, you could say it went beyond their music, their style, their fashion, the hats! can still be witnessed 35 years later.
Love Stone Roses. They hit good getting John Leckie. Shame that they influenced the shit-awful Oasis.
Oasis first two albums and the Masterplan are brilliant, stop trying be edgy
This was the time for the start of my music journey and it started with the Stone Roses album which was life changing about the way I felt about music. I am still really waiting for the second Album because I waited until my music taste was wider and Nirvana and other bands would take me away from caring about the 2nd album by the Roses which was not to my liking probably because of the effect of the first album. Once Oasis released their first album I was done with the Manchester scene and Oasis were not to my liking. so that Roses album and other Manchester bands of that time with the indie scene and Dance scene merged and the roses and of course the happy Mondays were at the forefront of that scene but then that was it for me after finding Joe Division and New Order from the earlier Manchester scene meant Oasis just seemed boring.
Ian Brown had some decent solo stuff in-between
The Stone Roses are the best band ever...Ian Brown (Godlike Genius) has some fantastic songs as a solo artist...I'd suggest giving "F.E.A.R" (masterpiece)...."My Star"..."Stellify"..."Just Like You" and "Keep What Ya Got" a listen...Mani went on to join another great band called Primal Scream with Bobby Gillespie...John Squires formed a group called "The Seahorses" and had a few good song...best being "Love Is The Law"...he is dropping a album on the 29th Feb with Liam Gallagher called Liam Gallagher & John Squires that I'm looking foward too
Although I love the roses, the best band to come out of Manchester are Joy division - - check them out jjla
Re your last comment, watch Ian Brown singing live - Liam Gallagher ripped that off too. I think Noel made some biting comment about it.
Completely different singing style and stage presence.
Liam was a far better front man but Brown a better songwriter
Wrong contract. The 8 album contract was with Silvertone but they threw paint all over the offices of FM Revolver who they had just a one-off release deal with. They did that record, they released it on FM Revolver and how much of a 'right' he then had to re-release it to cash in on their later success when they were now on Silvertone is debatable without seeing the actual contract. According to the Roses, he had no right ... but they would say that, lol. I'm more torn about it because I actually quite like Sally Cinnamon
No mention of Fools Gold(!). And Tony Wilson would be spinning in his grave at being compared to Donald Trump.
The bit about the Beatles is wrong as it was The Rolling Stones that I believe went to art college etc..
Yep, the Beatles were working class, Lennon was maybe lower middle class but none of them were wealthy growing up
'The uk AND wales'... don't go there Darren, just leave it..get on with your day. Let it go...
Aflex Palace
Ian Brown… “god like genius!”
If you listen to another group the chemelions the started then
Oasis are just very Manchester.
The Beatles were from council estates and from very working class families. Blue collar through and through.
John Lennon was brought up in a middle class household by his Aunt Mimi. Lower middle class probably but it wasn’t on a council estate, it was a home that his Aunt and Uncle owned.
second coming is the better album - Ian Brown launched a solo career and is a legend
Come on now, no it isn’t 😂
I have to say your hate for Oasis, from someone not from the UK and not understanding the context they came from US very odd. Every band in stone way draws upon those who they grew up listening to, even The Beatles, especially in their early years were, as you put it, derivative.
When Oasis appeared on the scene it was very different to what had been before. I'm not going to justify how they acted, they grew up in poverty with an abusive dad, so I think you judge them too harshly.
At the time I thought the way they acted up was disrespectful to fans, especially in the US when on tour they cancelled dates, but I think to understand them you should watch the documentary about them, because I don't think without knowing their background you are giving them a fair go.
I think there's a documentary called Supersonic available here on CZcams, also I've called Definitely Maybe on their own CZcams channel. You should definitely watch them, and maybe some other videos on their lives, because I don't think without knowing their background you can really make a judgement on them. I loved their music but didn't like them. Now I know their life stories I can understand why they were how they were.
Sadly Ian Bown is a total knob. Great band though.
😂 yep!
Anti-drug event? Worst gig ever.
I watched that. Amateurs
Ian Brown,by far the most out of tune singer,especially live,that I’ve ever had the misfortune to hear.First album is great though.
There's documentaries about The Stone Roses this video is not very good
This video does a dis-service to the roses - that album is the best record ever made bar none.
Oasis wouldn’t be the same without the stone roses. Also watch made of stone the documentary it’s far better than this
Tell me is actually a good tune it’s just Ian’s vocals are terrible n there’s one part in particular that is hilarious