The UK always complains that they never win and it’s always political. But they constantly send in the same old rubbish we hear on the radio instead of sending charming Eurovision songs. Also, it’s not always a political thing because Sam Ryder literally made us hosts in 2023!
100% Correct! Why can't they ever actually let the public vote who we want to represent us instead of the prime minister choosing and sending in people who obviously can't actually sing! Also, the only reason we actually got to host is because we came second, and Ukraine couldn't host, so we was the next best thing
I (from the U.S.) completely believe the UK would've won 2022 if Ukraine had bowed out due to their conflict. It might have been reasonable for the EBU to give them an incentive to bow out as they were not the aggressor. That didn't happen, which leads us to where we are now..... Yes, UK was robbed of a victory in 2022... Maybe UK needs to send Sam back in 2025?
@@thecatgamesnl4885 my knowledge of Eurovision history is spotty, especially being from the US. Of course, I've always known about ABBA and Celine Dion. I didn't engage with the contest until after Maneskin won in 2021. To me, Sam Ryder just brought something special to the contest. I've heard the jokes about the UK entries (like Embers). To me, Mae had a good studio track, but her live performance fell flat and Olly was just off-putting to me. Should the UK have a national selection?
As a Croat this makes me so much more proud of Baby Lasagna who wasn't mad at all that he lost he said "The only difference between me and Nemo is that they have a trophy on their shelf"
sadly Marko is in the minority. Most Croatians, including celebs and even journalists in national media are saying such rubbish and are so mean towards Nemo its nothing but susramlje for the last few days. tugy.
@@motherofslavs8761Tbh that's what Baby Lasagne's fans have been doing prior to the Grand Final too, they bashed Nemo on every video possible. No Swiss would have ever behaved like that to Baby Lasagne
I didn’t think that the singer was really good. Sorry, but to me it sounded out of tune. The staging was a complete no go. Keep the clothes on, don’t imitate sexual activity and bring a good song with a good singer. If you don’t know how that works, ask Sam Ryder. He knows.
Yes, it says that Olly can't sing live. When he performed with years and years he was always autotuned and that's not allowed at eurovision so you could hear how terrible he is for once. Plus the song was dull. The last three winners- The code has the "wha-oh-oh"s, tattoo had "like a tato-oo-ooh", Stephania had the mesmerising chorus and flute solo. All get stuck in my head when I think of them. Dizzy had a flat, dull, nothing. No build up to a big conclusion even. Just nothing catchy or singalong or stick in your head, nothing. We need to do better, this delusion that that song was a winner is embarrassing.
Yeah, bad and dull song performed by someone who can't even sing. 0 points are well deserved, and entries like this one are the reason why I'm a proponent of Big 5 countries competing in the semis. Only quality deserves to be in the final and the bad stuff should be sorted out in the semis.
I personally would love to see something ethnic from the UK. Like Celtic Woman for example, maybe a song in Scots Gaelic. Something that digs deeper. …Then again, we know how Blanca Paloma’s Eaea and Gåte’s Ulvehåm turned out…
Celtic woman is from the ROI, Julie fowl is is a Scot’s Gaelic singer she’s good 👍 also half of what we send is ‘ethnic’. Brit pop is part of our culture, the U.K. isn’t just Celts and GASP _the colonisers ewwwww_. We don’t have a lot of Scottish Gaelic singers or musicians who would fit Eurovision as it’s mostly traditional folk or electronica. Same with Welsh. We usually send English people as they make up 84% of the U.K. which people don’t realise that often
I watched the show with a group of 10 who were all watching Eurovision for the first time and several people said this was their last place of the show and that the whole thing was cringe
You need better people. 46 y/o here. Every second saturday in may: friends, icecream, Popcorn sweet and salty. I miss the time where we would guess what country will give 12 points to wich country. Italy to San Marino, Moldau to Ukraine, sweden to norway, the netherlands to the GB, spain to italy😂😂
The first article is actually very fair and reasonable. The second article was written in 2019 and after Sam Ryder's success in 2022 nobody blames Brexit anymore. I actually think the staging and performance helped it gain points from the jury. The problem is that everything it was trying to be, other countries did it better. Switzerland had a better LGBT anthem. Ireland was edgier. And there were several artists who are more powerful singers. I've been saying it for years. The UKs biggest problem is that the songs are not competitive. We praise ourselves when we release a song that is good enough for the radio but that is not enough. The song needs to be good enough to win a Brit Award. Most UK Eurovision songs are far too simple. The focus is on catchy hooks but it should really be about captivating the audience. Even Space Man is structurally relatively simple but Sam's vocals and the revamp at the end elevated it. Don't be afraid to have more complexity in your lyrics. Don't be afraid to experiment with the composition. Don't be afraid to be raw with emotion.
I’m from the UK and I couldn’t agree more! We always send a very generic radio song rather than a Eurovision song, so no wonder we never come in people’s top 10s (and thus never receive many/any points). We are also bad at staging and we normally send a singer who isn’t very good at singing live (or at least they’re not good at singing live while dancing, but they are always make them dance) 🙈 Sam Ryder was the exception to the rule, and I think that success was all down to Sam Ryder himself rather than the UK team. In the same way that Bambie Thug’s staging this year was so good because they gave them creative license.
Send a better entry… simple as that. Uk is the last country I accept any mourning like nobody likes us bla bla.. the whole world loves British singers and they re leading the charts everywhere.. but if they send crap they get what they deserve. France sent a decent song with a great voice… et voilà again a top placing.. if they sent lower quality they end up in the lower regions too ..
“We’re doing everything we can” except having a good selection method. I’ll use my country as a comparison, in Italy the RAI (our BBC equivalent) picks 30 singers for the SanRemo song festival and the winner out of these 30 then goes to represent Italy at the Eurovision. In the UK the BBC just picks one singer and sends it to the Eurovision.
Articles like this make me embarrassed for my country. Clearly it’s nothing to with politics we sent sam and was he extremely loved in the televote. We need to stop sending safe radio songs and start sending songs which are completely different and are more risky.
As a UK person... the reason the UK sucks is because we don't send good singers. We send rubbish because we like to think we are above Europe... we've always believed that. Everyone knows it. The sound wasn't bad, Olly just couldn't sing and had a bad performance, the same for Mae Muller. If we put effort in and show respect to our European neighbours, we would get more...
Unfortunately, I agree. Olly could not sing. But you have good singers. I love McFly since 2006 ❤ If they agree to go to Eurovision, they will make such a big party on stage. But probably there aren't interested in that 😅
That's the reason why Europeans didn't vote for it: the song was nice, but can you imagine me, an average Italian mum watching Eurovision with my son when the British entry was being broadcast?! I just wonder what people at the BBC were thinking when they decided to portray your nation (which I really like btw) in that manner. The simple question is: why?
Absolutely true. We always start complaining that our mics weren't working and that people just dont get us. The issue is that what we send isnt good enough. The song was very average, the performance was distasteful and the vocals were the worst on the night, by far. Having an average song and the worst vocals was exactly what happened in 2023 too.
Speaking as a Brit, Considering that the UK public voted to send Scooch to the final Inwouldn’t put too much faith in them picking a better act. A lot of the artists that we’ve picked haven’t done as well. I think they actually need to get artists who have experienced doing theatre because the discipline of doing a musical 7/8 times a week give you the vocal stamina to handle performing live for big crowds and doing it with choreography. A lot of the really big act on Eurovision have done theatre like Chanel in 2022. Or someone who has done both pop and theatre like Alexandra Burke.
Look, I'm not against a fun, camp and fruity performance (i.e Spain this year), but I was watching with my 8 year old cousins..... it was just a bit too far for my liking.
I didn't mind Spain's performance. I like it. But the UKs was just lacking in class and style. The room looked like a really dirty shower room that hadn't been cleaned in years. And Olly and his dancers looked angry and very unsympathetic during their performance! Sam Ryder had class and seemed like a genuinly nice guy! And the song was much better and his voice amazing!
@@peppermintcrush5794 idk this year's UK was great for me. The staging was so creative and I loved it. It was something different. I really like how it broke up the tempo a bit. The choreography was super hard to pull off and extremely unique, the last 10 sec were sooo 🔥🔥
You are forgetting one major thing. The BBC gets to decide who gets to compete in the National Final. How do we know they wont just choose bad artists to compete. So Basically a National Final is basically an Internal Selection but you select more than one singer
Send someone with enough physical conditioning to be able to mainting their vocals while doing choreo. Performers doing elaborate choreo is not really seen as something cool and artistic in itself in the UK, but rather as a cop-out that's meant to distract. That lead to a generation of performers who cant really managerl both dancing and singing because they simply dont have the training in doing both. Which is not their fault, it is due to the nature of the industry, but still. Both Mae last year and Ollie this year are great singers, but their voices broke down the second they needed to include movement as well. It just doesnt get workshopped enough in the UK music scene
i had the hardest time to understand what he was saying. It felt like his voice was to soft and the music to loud. it felt like u want to sing along with a song but you don't know the lyrics so toddle sounds comes out xD
I’m British and. Huge Eurovision fan of over 30 years watching. I agree with you. I don’t think the song was strong enough. Also the staging focused too much on what worked on TV not live. Sam Ryder was fantastic. Katrina and the Waves were fantastic. We just need to up our game. I also think Eurovision has just got too much recently. I think I really powerful, simple ballad might stand out now.
British music is so good at rock/ pop-punk and that is performing so well in Eurovision. Such a crowd-pleaser. We should play to that strength! Send some crazy lads from the North who are happy to add a Eurovision twist 👍🏻 someone up and coming we don’t know yet but need to.
I'm from the UK, basically all of our entries post-Lucie are textbook UK-radio style songs which sound good on the radio were admittedly awful live (except Sam ofc). I can say, though, that it was a genuine surprise to my whole household when Dizzy got 0 from the public. They probably knew his voice would need help from intense staging but it was miles better than our other flop entries imo
The problem with the UK is this, BBC does not understand Eurovision. They only see it as a camp competition of outlandish performances with funny clothes. It is not a coincidence that the only time in recent years they've done well was when the contestant was a Eurovision fan who understood the assignment. Also, they do not realise really great songs do not even make it to the finals. They think any old song will do and because they are the UK they should do well and win amongst the plebs. They are right, it is Brexit mentality but the other way around.
UK needs to make good song. They make the most basic shit ever. At least this year it was funny bc it was so sexual but the song itself wasn't still interesting.
The issue is that the last time we won was with an already poular artist, katrina and the waves. I also think sandy shaw was well known before Eurovision too. This means that they think we need a popular artist to win.
The internal voters seem to think Europe wants to here our boring radio pop songs, when in reality, NO ONE ON THE ENTIRE CONTINENT LISTENS TO THAT, NOT EVEN US BRITS!!!
I’m sorry, but if you read the article, politics isn’t mentioned AT ALL and reflects on a number of factors that might have hindered the UK’s result. This is a positive impact of Sam Ryder 😊 Also, as a UK fan… there is no way I would trust casual fans to choose our song in a national final setup! 😂 I still think we are generally on an upward trend… while some people are complaining and having unrealistic expectations of us, I am delighted with an 18th place finish: our second best result since 2018! Trust the process and hope we send a better LIVE vocalist next year 🤞
@@kokteilisjuodas9 An upward trend is going from 25th place to 18th last time I checked. I’m also not delusional in thinking that one good result suddenly makes the UK an ESC powerhouse 😂
Yeah, take it from me from the Netherlands, 10 years ago we also let people choose, and uh. the results were..... not there. Now we have a commission, which is sometimes not always trusted, but we do way better since.
Has someone from the UK, who is the part of the general public, even we can see what they're doing wrong but as they're known for they don't listen to the public
Last year and this year TV commentators were soooo supportive of UK entries ( which is good ). They were like WOOOW this was incredible!!! And I was like omg really? That was dreadful 😂 neither Mae or Olly can sing live, what would you expect
So the BBC just choosing a popular UK celebrity to represent them at Eurovision would fall flat? Even if it means choosing Ed Sheeran, Sam Smith, Dua Lipa, Lily Allen, Harry Styles or Tom Odell?
I don’t think they would win I like them but songs like there’s don’t do well with the jury and the public like the meme party ones we would probably get better but still wouldn’t win
@@strawberryjess I understand what you mean but I think BECAUSE they are so popular that even if the Song was shitty the Fans that now them would still vote.I mean yeah they might not win but it would probaply still be the best entry and could go in the esc history but like I said i completly understand what you mean and sorry for my english 😅
@strawberryjess I wouldn't be to sure about that if you look at the previous metal songs of esc or from Ireland this year, they usually get under the top 5
@@imanhatic9918popular? Literally never heard of them, probably most of Europe hasn't. And it's never about sending a known person - you already tried that with Blue and failed miserably
The UK needs to dig in their stereotypes alot more, put a good singer in a beautiful suit or a beautiful doll-like dress, put them in a tea cup or let there be big tea set on stage and make a fun song surrounding it all. Think like a 2.0 old Melanie Martinez. They could also go more of a “royal” theme since the only Royalty the world knows is the British.
@sadist8902 😂 But you are aware that the ESC countries know more royalty than the British? Belgium, Netherlands, Denmark, Sweden, Norway, Spain are all Monarchies. Luxembourg is an Archdukedom. If you don’t know them, okay….but we do. The idea with the stereotypes is not bad though, but maybe a bit different. Send a Scottish Punkrock group with bagpipes or something like that.
Yes but no. No person from the UK is proud of having tea cups or the queen as their culture - it's just a really annoying stereotype rather than culture, meanwhile other countries integrate culture that their proud of. You think Russia would enjoy having a vodka themed song and staging?
@@nebelland8355 I’m from one of the countries you mentioned, I’m aware. It’s about stereotypes and British royalty is by far the most known and cared about- not anymore since the queen’s passing, but the queen was known all over. We almost get more news about the British royals than our own.
I'm with you on that! Yeah, europe has royality, but sorry not sorry, GB had the queen and Lady D. Sorry, and I'm even from ex comunist country, but no one thinks of queen Beatrix, when hearing the term "the queen ".
@@strawberryjess yeah but like we also then go cry in a corner every year. And to the last one....probably because we are told constantly that our language sounds aggressive
@@lawtraf8008 I'll take that as a conpliment....kinda....a little bit. I still don't think it sounds aggressive. Its probably when its paired with the northern german expressionless face
Yeah you should be ashamed. Olly is a great performer and did a fantastic job with great Production / staging second to none in the competition. Are also going to be a snowflake in saying like this idiot in his own vid ...it was disgusting . Get over it!!
UK needs to leave the big 5. They are the reason why a more deserving act didn't qualify, for multiple years (except 2022 and 2023*, of course) *= Host Country
As someone who's begrudgingly from the UK I feel like we could do better if we sent songs that showed different aspects of the country. Welsh people are famous in the UK from having amazing powerful voices we could send in a act sung in Welsh. Us Scots have our highland music and maybe have a song in Scottish Gaelic. Scotland is also has a bit more of an alternative streak in our music just a more metal and rock music. Northern Ireland is its own bag but sure they could do something interesting comparatively England is a lot more that southern English people singing power ballads and love songs. Like the UK is where interesting genres of music like Ska, metal, prog rock, new wave and punk were invented we don't need britpop everytime
You scots have music that other people BUY AND GO TO CONCERTS. celtic music is an universe on it's own! Yeah, these dry Humpers were sent. No I am not homofobic, but I can't stand vulgarity for no reason. I don't need either female, nor male, nor nonbinary buttox!!!
I am not sorry for UK, I am mad at them! They have music the whole World listen to..but send crap to esc. It's almost if they're trying to be as much disrespectful to esc as possible.
I’m from the uk and I don’t understand why we complain about loosing are songs don’t have power we need to choose someone who impresses the jury or a party fun song for the public but we do neither we choose people who are doing the same thing but worse then other countries
I think the song is great and the studio version is awesome. But his performance was a bit off and the staging is proven to be too gay for the mainstream. Plus the big 5 always get less votes. Plus this year is chaotic and other artists are way too political. To keep it to the music only they have to shut up but ppl’s gonna say things
A Scottish accent is a British accent🇬🇧 if you mean the stereotypical posh one that’s RP, people develop it based on class and not location which is really weird
How on earth could we win when firstly our Artist is a studio singer not a live singer ( can’t sing ) and hates the country he’s representing slagging off our flag. We can’t roll up and expect others to vote for us when our own Artist doesn’t believe in the country he’s representing. Also his staging while good was just a political statement about sexuality it had nothing to do with the song. Honestly we were lucky to get any points from the Jury and should be grateful we didn’t get up bottom 5.
Please it's not us thinking we should win with a song like that 💀its the media's way of making an excuse not to put more effort into the song, I'd like us to try something different for once, rather than sending a boring radio song
I can't help but think you read the headlines but not the articles. The first headline is ridiculous, but the article itself is actually quite sensible, and gives lots of valid reasons why the UK did poorly this year.
the uk needs to either embrace the goose egg or send someone who‘ll give a good eurovision performance. year after year they send bland pop acts and if it wasn‘t for the gravity defying dry humping, i wouldn‘t remember this year‘s act at all. if you‘re going to give us nothing, at least send someone who will shake ass when they get nul points
He took Eurovision being the gay olympics way too serious. And yes, I watched the Eurovision (at least the first half) with my kid and made sure I switch off TV for the performances of Olly, Bambie (although I loved it), Spain... I don't want to say we need to make Eurovision more kid friendly but at least let's make it more friendly for eastern european grandmas. Just a lil bit less steamy and a bit more colorful and creative in different ways. Imo
The UK has this weird victim complex lol, they send people who chart in the UK without consideration for what would actually work in a European setting.
If the UK sent someone like Chase and Status with a British vocalist, that would be so good. It’s just a shame we have to send someone gay for ‘diversity’ whose only goal is to have the most gay Eurovision song ever. I’d rather have a good performance, than a bad one.
The britts gotta wrap their heads around the fact that a famous artist isn’t enough. Especially when most of Europe doesn’t recognize the names to begin with. The vocal performance wasn’t good, and yes, the audiences do care about technicalities that affect the cohesion of a performance. The stage performance wasn’t visually appealing as a whole. You know, a dirdy ass murky grey washing room isn’t pretty no matter how many pretty men you put in it. The choreography was impressive on the part of the play with physics thing, but it didn’t translate onto tv screens because you had no way of knowing how it was shot on stage unless you were told. The point being the box not moving at all actually is a pretty cool aspect in the world of all the technology that is put in staging nowadays, moving pieces and electronic visual trickery. But for the love of Martin ’Step Down Please’ Österdahl, show the stage too! It didn’t feel like an immersive live stage performance but a music video. Admittedly, so did Tattoo, but tattoo was pretty. I don’t think the sexiness was the issue, but that it wasn’t appealing as a whole. Also, what is it with Brittish pop and melodies that don’t rise like at all? To me the song was flat from the start. Nice on radio on the background, sure, but depressing on the dance floor.
Did you actually read the article. It was a well-balanced article that wasn’t whiny but a positive article about how we could build on the direction the uk has gone in over recent years. As much as selection shows can be fun, the UK has consistently failed in recent years to choose the best song through those shows such. Even Jade Ewan would have been thrown out by the public half way through the show if it wasn’t for an intervention by Andrew Lloyd Webber. So no winning formula at the moment but a step in the right direction from where the UK has been over the last 20 years.
C'mon guys, Olly's singing was not where it was supposed to be. I'm a fan of his artistry, but that doesn't mean his vocals were up to pare to some of the other artists.
I agree staging was the big thing this year, which is a shame because I liked the staging, and don’t really think it was that much worse than things we’ve seen. Verka was arguably more “in your face” gay. Chanel and the Polish ladies churning milk were arguably just as sexual if not more. So is the issue that this is both? Sad that queer sexuality is the problem when queerness and sexuality are both fine on their own.
We never win because we send shit. We always try and do songs that we think Europeans would like, and we're bad at it. If we just stuck to our own thing we'd get more votes.
Don’t get me wrong, I know some of our songs have been so shit, but we’d 100% have received more points had we been another country (except Ireland). Like we have nobody vote for us when we send crap songs, but certain voting blocs still vote for their neighbours even when they send the worst songs possible... I’m not saying we’d win because that’s delusional but we would not be consistently getting low public vote points. Even in 2022 when we sent a good song, we only got 180 points from the public. If we’d have been another country we’d have got 200+ points from the televote.
The problem is the song, not the choreo, the song is weak and no hook to be memorable. Sam Ryder winning bc he's 1) great vocal showcase 2) hooooookkkk in chorus
We always send something embarrassingly desperate because they feel like something weird and good looks like we're trying too hard. It really doesn't do what we think it does. It always baffles me we send so many rubbish acts considering how prominent the uk is on the global music stage, we have the talent we just seemingly refuse to send any of it
The main reason why I think the UK didn’t do well was just because of the song, now I’m just one individual and not the majority, but I wasn’t really a fan of the song, there wasn’t really a good hook and the lyrics were pretty bland. It has nothing to do with politics, Sam Ryder from 2022’s Eurovision got the UK a 2nd place result in the final, the song this year just wasn’t the best.
the bbc should let the British public decide who should represent us in eurovision
that really didn't work ...
We got a wardrobe of t-shirts on that one 😂
In sweden we have done this for as long as i can remember. Every year we have a huge song concest where the winner will participate in ESC
We have that in Serbia
WHAT!! YOU DON'T HAVE THAT SYSTEM????
The UK always complains that they never win and it’s always political. But they constantly send in the same old rubbish we hear on the radio instead of sending charming Eurovision songs.
Also, it’s not always a political thing because Sam Ryder literally made us hosts in 2023!
100% Correct! Why can't they ever actually let the public vote who we want to represent us instead of the prime minister choosing and sending in people who obviously can't actually sing!
Also, the only reason we actually got to host is because we came second, and Ukraine couldn't host, so we was the next best thing
I (from the U.S.) completely believe the UK would've won 2022 if Ukraine had bowed out due to their conflict. It might have been reasonable for the EBU to give them an incentive to bow out as they were not the aggressor. That didn't happen, which leads us to where we are now..... Yes, UK was robbed of a victory in 2022... Maybe UK needs to send Sam back in 2025?
@@lorifrancis8171 remember back in the old day when we only had radio songs? those won. for 30 years the same types of songs won
@@thecatgamesnl4885 my knowledge of Eurovision history is spotty, especially being from the US. Of course, I've always known about ABBA and Celine Dion. I didn't engage with the contest until after Maneskin won in 2021. To me, Sam Ryder just brought something special to the contest. I've heard the jokes about the UK entries (like Embers). To me, Mae had a good studio track, but her live performance fell flat and Olly was just off-putting to me. Should the UK have a national selection?
Its political thats the reason why they didn’t win in 2022 ukraine won because of the war
As a Croat this makes me so much more proud of Baby Lasagna who wasn't mad at all that he lost he said "The only difference between me and Nemo is that they have a trophy on their shelf"
No, he doesn't have that either, he broke it.
sadly Marko is in the minority. Most Croatians, including celebs and even journalists in national media are saying such rubbish and are so mean towards Nemo its nothing but susramlje for the last few days.
tugy.
@@motherofslavs8761They clearly expected Baby Lasagna to win, given the betting odds. Even I raged upon finding out that Nemo won.
@@jason256-8 that's no excuse to be an ashole though. We can be sad he lost without being shitty humans.
@@motherofslavs8761Tbh that's what Baby Lasagne's fans have been doing prior to the Grand Final too, they bashed Nemo on every video possible. No Swiss would have ever behaved like that to Baby Lasagne
I was at a Eurovision party and we were all sat there like, "why are they in a spinning toilet?"
?? Bcz it was a song about having s6 between men in a public toilet...
I didn’t think that the singer was really good. Sorry, but to me it sounded out of tune. The staging was a complete no go. Keep the clothes on, don’t imitate sexual activity and bring a good song with a good singer. If you don’t know how that works, ask Sam Ryder. He knows.
Sorry did you see Poland a few years ago?! People are fine with imitating sexual activity when it's women in skimpy outfits doing it...
Dry humping was a Really bad turn off 😂 especially for families who were watching it with their kids or grandparents.
As a European, my grandmother complaining about dry humping was one of my favourite parts about watching Eurovision with her.
0 points "ZERO" from the public! - says it all. Period.
Yes, it says that Olly can't sing live. When he performed with years and years he was always autotuned and that's not allowed at eurovision so you could hear how terrible he is for once. Plus the song was dull. The last three winners- The code has the "wha-oh-oh"s, tattoo had "like a tato-oo-ooh", Stephania had the mesmerising chorus and flute solo. All get stuck in my head when I think of them. Dizzy had a flat, dull, nothing. No build up to a big conclusion even. Just nothing catchy or singalong or stick in your head, nothing. We need to do better, this delusion that that song was a winner is embarrassing.
It was one of the worst performances I'd ever witnessed.
Yeah, bad and dull song performed by someone who can't even sing. 0 points are well deserved, and entries like this one are the reason why I'm a proponent of Big 5 countries competing in the semis. Only quality deserves to be in the final and the bad stuff should be sorted out in the semis.
I personally would love to see something ethnic from the UK. Like Celtic Woman for example, maybe a song in Scots Gaelic. Something that digs deeper.
…Then again, we know how Blanca Paloma’s Eaea and Gåte’s Ulvehåm turned out…
Celtic woman is from the ROI, Julie fowl is is a Scot’s Gaelic singer she’s good 👍 also half of what we send is ‘ethnic’. Brit pop is part of our culture, the U.K. isn’t just Celts and GASP _the colonisers ewwwww_.
We don’t have a lot of Scottish Gaelic singers or musicians who would fit Eurovision as it’s mostly traditional folk or electronica. Same with Welsh. We usually send English people as they make up 84% of the U.K. which people don’t realise that often
I watched the show with a group of 10 who were all watching Eurovision for the first time and several people said this was their last place of the show and that the whole thing was cringe
You need better people. 46 y/o here. Every second saturday in may: friends, icecream, Popcorn sweet and salty. I miss the time where we would guess what country will give 12 points to wich country. Italy to San Marino, Moldau to Ukraine, sweden to norway, the netherlands to the GB, spain to italy😂😂
@@britvica nah I like the people I had. They were right it was a ridiculous performance and the song is average
It was also my last place, boring and generic song, definitely the worst song and the worst vocals on the night.
The first article is actually very fair and reasonable.
The second article was written in 2019 and after Sam Ryder's success in 2022 nobody blames Brexit anymore.
I actually think the staging and performance helped it gain points from the jury.
The problem is that everything it was trying to be, other countries did it better.
Switzerland had a better LGBT anthem. Ireland was edgier. And there were several artists who are more powerful singers.
I've been saying it for years. The UKs biggest problem is that the songs are not competitive.
We praise ourselves when we release a song that is good enough for the radio but that is not enough. The song needs to be good enough to win a Brit Award.
Most UK Eurovision songs are far too simple. The focus is on catchy hooks but it should really be about captivating the audience.
Even Space Man is structurally relatively simple but Sam's vocals and the revamp at the end elevated it.
Don't be afraid to have more complexity in your lyrics. Don't be afraid to experiment with the composition. Don't be afraid to be raw with emotion.
I’m from the UK and I couldn’t agree more! We always send a very generic radio song rather than a Eurovision song, so no wonder we never come in people’s top 10s (and thus never receive many/any points). We are also bad at staging and we normally send a singer who isn’t very good at singing live (or at least they’re not good at singing live while dancing, but they are always make them dance) 🙈 Sam Ryder was the exception to the rule, and I think that success was all down to Sam Ryder himself rather than the UK team. In the same way that Bambie Thug’s staging this year was so good because they gave them creative license.
Send a better entry… simple as that. Uk is the last country I accept any mourning like nobody likes us bla bla.. the whole world loves British singers and they re leading the charts everywhere.. but if they send crap they get what they deserve. France sent a decent song with a great voice… et voilà again a top placing.. if they sent lower quality they end up in the lower regions too ..
“We’re doing everything we can” except having a good selection method.
I’ll use my country as a comparison, in Italy the RAI (our BBC equivalent) picks 30 singers for the SanRemo song festival and the winner out of these 30 then goes to represent Italy at the Eurovision.
In the UK the BBC just picks one singer and sends it to the Eurovision.
Articles like this make me embarrassed for my country. Clearly it’s nothing to with politics we sent sam and was he extremely loved in the televote. We need to stop sending safe radio songs and start sending songs which are completely different and are more risky.
The first article actually says this. It's trying to be clickbaity but it's actually pretty decent.
The second one was in 2019 pre Sam Ryder
As a UK person... the reason the UK sucks is because we don't send good singers. We send rubbish because we like to think we are above Europe... we've always believed that. Everyone knows it. The sound wasn't bad, Olly just couldn't sing and had a bad performance, the same for Mae Muller.
If we put effort in and show respect to our European neighbours, we would get more...
Unfortunately, I agree. Olly could not sing. But you have good singers. I love McFly since 2006 ❤ If they agree to go to Eurovision, they will make such a big party on stage. But probably there aren't interested in that 😅
You just hit 🎯 with your comment!🎉
Trust me it wasn't his apparently bad singing that failed you guys 😅 You just don't understand how Eurovision works
@@2727.L The days of Britpop and domination of the music scene are way way behind us.
Can't you just organize a contest like most of the other countries?
I am from the UK and I was ashamed of this. It was slightly better in the semi finals but I am very much ashamed
That's the reason why Europeans didn't vote for it: the song was nice, but can you imagine me, an average Italian mum watching Eurovision with my son when the British entry was being broadcast?! I just wonder what people at the BBC were thinking when they decided to portray your nation (which I really like btw) in that manner. The simple question is: why?
@@mimmiblu6138but you’re happy to take them to a church where most of the priests violate small boys.
Same
@@mimmiblu6138 yep it didn’t work if it was like a joke like Finland it wouldn’t be as bad but it wasn’t and I swear it was so quite vocally
yep
Absolutely true. We always start complaining that our mics weren't working and that people just dont get us. The issue is that what we send isnt good enough. The song was very average, the performance was distasteful and the vocals were the worst on the night, by far. Having an average song and the worst vocals was exactly what happened in 2023 too.
Lucie Jones and Sam Ryder were our best entries from recent years. ❤️
Speaking as a Brit, Considering that the UK public voted to send Scooch to the final Inwouldn’t put too much faith in them picking a better act. A lot of the artists that we’ve picked haven’t done as well. I think they actually need to get artists who have experienced doing theatre because the discipline of doing a musical 7/8 times a week give you the vocal stamina to handle performing live for big crowds and doing it with choreography. A lot of the really big act on Eurovision have done theatre like Chanel in 2022. Or someone who has done both pop and theatre like Alexandra Burke.
Look, I'm not against a fun, camp and fruity performance (i.e Spain this year), but I was watching with my 8 year old cousins..... it was just a bit too far for my liking.
I didn't mind Spain's performance. I like it. But the UKs was just lacking in class and style. The room looked like a really dirty shower room that hadn't been cleaned in years. And Olly and his dancers looked angry and very unsympathetic during their performance!
Sam Ryder had class and seemed like a genuinly nice guy! And the song was much better and his voice amazing!
@@peppermintcrush5794 idk this year's UK was great for me. The staging was so creative and I loved it. It was something different. I really like how it broke up the tempo a bit. The choreography was super hard to pull off and extremely unique, the last 10 sec were sooo 🔥🔥
You are forgetting one major thing. The BBC gets to decide who gets to compete in the National Final. How do we know they wont just choose bad artists to compete. So Basically a National Final is basically an Internal Selection but you select more than one singer
Send someone with enough physical conditioning to be able to mainting their vocals while doing choreo.
Performers doing elaborate choreo is not really seen as something cool and artistic in itself in the UK, but rather as a cop-out that's meant to distract.
That lead to a generation of performers who cant really managerl both dancing and singing because they simply dont have the training in doing both. Which is not their fault, it is due to the nature of the industry, but still.
Both Mae last year and Ollie this year are great singers, but their voices broke down the second they needed to include movement as well. It just doesnt get workshopped enough in the UK music scene
i had the hardest time to understand what he was saying. It felt like his voice was to soft and the music to loud. it felt like u want to sing along with a song but you don't know the lyrics so toddle sounds comes out xD
Olly and the Hustlers - ist was just embarrassing
Scotland is part of Britain and there's no British accent but yeah UK usually loses 😂
Yeah it's annoying when people don't know the difference between Britain, UK and England, Scotland,Wales, n Ireland
I’m British and. Huge Eurovision fan of over 30 years watching. I agree with you. I don’t think the song was strong enough. Also the staging focused too much on what worked on TV not live. Sam Ryder was fantastic. Katrina and the Waves were fantastic. We just need to up our game.
I also think Eurovision has just got too much recently. I think I really powerful, simple ballad might stand out now.
British music is so good at rock/ pop-punk and that is performing so well in Eurovision. Such a crowd-pleaser. We should play to that strength! Send some crazy lads from the North who are happy to add a Eurovision twist 👍🏻 someone up and coming we don’t know yet but need to.
@@kirstywragg6308 that is true. The British music scene is really varied and vibrant. We should be doing so much better than we are.
@@kirstywragg6308Yes, please!
Ballads suck
what if the bbc picked sophie ellis bextor would she have done better for the uk in eurovision
Good singer? Man could barely hit 2 notes in 3 minutes
Better than average out of all performances. Awful performance but poor singing wasn't sticking out as much as some other things
@@kokteilisjuodas9 i couldnt name 4 worse vocalists than him in the Grand Finale. Probably Finland, Estonia and that's it ..
I'm from the UK, basically all of our entries post-Lucie are textbook UK-radio style songs which sound good on the radio were admittedly awful live (except Sam ofc).
I can say, though, that it was a genuine surprise to my whole household when Dizzy got 0 from the public.
They probably knew his voice would need help from intense staging but it was miles better than our other flop entries imo
The problem with the UK is this, BBC does not understand Eurovision. They only see it as a camp competition of outlandish performances with funny clothes. It is not a coincidence that the only time in recent years they've done well was when the contestant was a Eurovision fan who understood the assignment. Also, they do not realise really great songs do not even make it to the finals. They think any old song will do and because they are the UK they should do well and win amongst the plebs. They are right, it is Brexit mentality but the other way around.
they need to send Sam Ryder again
UK needs to make good song. They make the most basic shit ever. At least this year it was funny bc it was so sexual but the song itself wasn't still interesting.
The ridiculous gravity defying cruising restroom is the only thing what helps to remember the UK was even a contestant this year
Uk was just horrible this year
Scottish is a British accent. Scotland has given the UK some quality Eurovision acts over the year
The issue is that the last time we won was with an already poular artist, katrina and the waves. I also think sandy shaw was well known before Eurovision too. This means that they think we need a popular artist to win.
The internal voters seem to think Europe wants to here our boring radio pop songs, when in reality, NO ONE ON THE ENTIRE CONTINENT LISTENS TO THAT, NOT EVEN US BRITS!!!
I’m sorry, but if you read the article, politics isn’t mentioned AT ALL and reflects on a number of factors that might have hindered the UK’s result. This is a positive impact of Sam Ryder 😊 Also, as a UK fan… there is no way I would trust casual fans to choose our song in a national final setup! 😂 I still think we are generally on an upward trend… while some people are complaining and having unrealistic expectations of us, I am delighted with an 18th place finish: our second best result since 2018! Trust the process and hope we send a better LIVE vocalist next year 🤞
Tell me you don't understand Eurovision without telling me... Upwards trend is going from the 2nd place to the 18th? 😅
@@kokteilisjuodas9 An upward trend is going from 25th place to 18th last time I checked. I’m also not delusional in thinking that one good result suddenly makes the UK an ESC powerhouse 😂
Yeah, take it from me from the Netherlands, 10 years ago we also let people choose, and uh. the results were..... not there. Now we have a commission, which is sometimes not always trusted, but we do way better since.
If you read that article it doesn't moan that UK didn't win, it explains what was wrong and what to do better
Has someone from the UK, who is the part of the general public, even we can see what they're doing wrong but as they're known for they don't listen to the public
We in Germany have literally the same problem
Last year and this year TV commentators were soooo supportive of UK entries ( which is good ). They were like WOOOW this was incredible!!! And I was like omg really? That was dreadful 😂 neither Mae or Olly can sing live, what would you expect
As someone from the uk, i totally agree with you, we are just doing rubbish.
So the BBC just choosing a popular UK celebrity to represent them at Eurovision would fall flat? Even if it means choosing Ed Sheeran, Sam Smith, Dua Lipa, Lily Allen, Harry Styles or Tom Odell?
Well, yes. Eurovision is not your average top 40 chart.
There is a british Band called Sleep Token and I think with them they could actually win because they are also international
Yeah but the no speaking thing might be an issue haha😅
I don’t think they would win I like them but songs like there’s don’t do well with the jury and the public like the meme party ones we would probably get better but still wouldn’t win
@@strawberryjess I understand what you mean but I think BECAUSE they are so popular that even if the Song was shitty the Fans that now them would still vote.I mean yeah they might not win but it would probaply still be the best entry and could go in the esc history but like I said i completly understand what you mean and sorry for my english 😅
@strawberryjess I wouldn't be to sure about that if you look at the previous metal songs of esc or from Ireland this year, they usually get under the top 5
@@imanhatic9918popular? Literally never heard of them, probably most of Europe hasn't. And it's never about sending a known person - you already tried that with Blue and failed miserably
The UK needs to dig in their stereotypes alot more, put a good singer in a beautiful suit or a beautiful doll-like dress, put them in a tea cup or let there be big tea set on stage and make a fun song surrounding it all. Think like a 2.0 old Melanie Martinez.
They could also go more of a “royal” theme since the only Royalty the world knows is the British.
@sadist8902 😂 But you are aware that the ESC countries know more royalty than the British? Belgium, Netherlands, Denmark, Sweden, Norway, Spain are all Monarchies. Luxembourg is an Archdukedom. If you don’t know them, okay….but we do.
The idea with the stereotypes is not bad though, but maybe a bit different. Send a Scottish Punkrock group with bagpipes or something like that.
@@nebelland8355 scottist manly men with kilts 😂😂😂 and def no more of this years stuff. Just a funny, clean song.
Yes but no. No person from the UK is proud of having tea cups or the queen as their culture - it's just a really annoying stereotype rather than culture, meanwhile other countries integrate culture that their proud of. You think Russia would enjoy having a vodka themed song and staging?
@@nebelland8355 I’m from one of the countries you mentioned, I’m aware. It’s about stereotypes and British royalty is by far the most known and cared about- not anymore since the queen’s passing, but the queen was known all over. We almost get more news about the British royals than our own.
I'm with you on that! Yeah, europe has royality, but sorry not sorry, GB had the queen and Lady D. Sorry, and I'm even from ex comunist country, but no one thinks of queen Beatrix, when hearing the term "the queen ".
I agree with everything you’ve said I’m from the uk and I don’t usually expect much 😂
Us germans do the same kinda
Tbf Germany just sends something different every year but the public doesn’t really care for or the jury also why is the song never in German
@@strawberryjess yeah but like we also then go cry in a corner every year. And to the last one....probably because we are told constantly that our language sounds aggressive
@@Talvi_Sota It does sounds agressive but I like it. German sounds like a futuristic language.
@@lawtraf8008 I'll take that as a conpliment....kinda....a little bit. I still don't think it sounds aggressive. Its probably when its paired with the northern german expressionless face
all though a bunch of gays in the saw bathroom are definitely my thing, i don't even remember the song at this point lol
Same
As a Brit I feel ashamed watching our contestant because it’s not something you expect us to have especially when we had Sam ridder not so long ago
Yeah you should be ashamed. Olly is a great performer and did a fantastic job with great Production / staging second to none in the competition.
Are also going to be a snowflake in saying like this idiot in his own vid ...it was disgusting . Get over it!!
It actually quite meets the expectations and fits the general UK social culture - thrusting jokes are literally THE thing in the UK.
UK needs to leave the big 5. They are the reason why a more deserving act didn't qualify, for multiple years (except 2022 and 2023*, of course)
*= Host Country
I hadn't even thought of it that way yet, but you are right. Another song could have been in the finals.
I have a theory that whoever choses these people and does their staging purposely does this so that we never have to host ahah
As someone who's begrudgingly from the UK I feel like we could do better if we sent songs that showed different aspects of the country.
Welsh people are famous in the UK from having amazing powerful voices we could send in a act sung in Welsh.
Us Scots have our highland music and maybe have a song in Scottish Gaelic. Scotland is also has a bit more of an alternative streak in our music just a more metal and rock music.
Northern Ireland is its own bag but sure they could do something interesting comparatively England is a lot more that southern English people singing power ballads and love songs. Like the UK is where interesting genres of music like Ska, metal, prog rock, new wave and punk were invented we don't need britpop everytime
You scots have music that other people BUY AND GO TO CONCERTS. celtic music is an universe on it's own! Yeah, these dry Humpers were sent. No I am not homofobic, but I can't stand vulgarity for no reason. I don't need either female, nor male, nor nonbinary buttox!!!
Send Space maaaaaaaaaaaaan...again
Thank you to point out the oversexual staging. Now eurovision is not a family friendly show and it's sad. We don't want that we want good songs
olly alexander singing live without autotune or reverb was laughable
Germany plays the same game always as well 😂
Germany has a different problem. The UK sends songs which are unremarkable. Germany does take risks but fails to connect with an audience.
This time we got more points than in the last 4 years combined - so yeah, strong voice singing a radio song can give you those jury points :D
I felt sorry for the UK act but at the same time, their song is the only one that I literally can't remember a second of
I am not sorry for UK, I am mad at them! They have music the whole World listen to..but send crap to esc. It's almost if they're trying to be as much disrespectful to esc as possible.
yh we need a national final tbh, why did “you decide” get removed tho
I’m from the uk and I don’t understand why we complain about loosing are songs don’t have power we need to choose someone who impresses the jury or a party fun song for the public but we do neither we choose people who are doing the same thing but worse then other countries
My dad got scared when he saw uk
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Thx so much for the likes 👍🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰
I think the song is great and the studio version is awesome. But his performance was a bit off and the staging is proven to be too gay for the mainstream. Plus the big 5 always get less votes. Plus this year is chaotic and other artists are way too political. To keep it to the music only they have to shut up but ppl’s gonna say things
Too gay for mainstream? Too vulgar for the mainstream is better wording.
A Scottish accent is a British accent🇬🇧 if you mean the stereotypical posh one that’s RP, people develop it based on class and not location which is really weird
How on earth could we win when firstly our Artist is a studio singer not a live singer ( can’t sing ) and hates the country he’s representing slagging off our flag. We can’t roll up and expect others to vote for us when our own Artist doesn’t believe in the country he’s representing. Also his staging while good was just a political statement about sexuality it had nothing to do with the song. Honestly we were lucky to get any points from the Jury and should be grateful we didn’t get up bottom 5.
Please it's not us thinking we should win with a song like that 💀its the media's way of making an excuse not to put more effort into the song, I'd like us to try something different for once, rather than sending a boring radio song
Its not a family show anymore! I hate all the nakedness of Eurovision!
I can't help but think you read the headlines but not the articles. The first headline is ridiculous, but the article itself is actually quite sensible, and gives lots of valid reasons why the UK did poorly this year.
the uk needs to either embrace the goose egg or send someone who‘ll give a good eurovision performance. year after year they send bland pop acts and if it wasn‘t for the gravity defying dry humping, i wouldn‘t remember this year‘s act at all. if you‘re going to give us nothing, at least send someone who will shake ass when they get nul points
You actually have to send a good song and not a silly staging 😅
I'm British and yes please I would love a national final
UK should sing a non english song, imagine a brit singing in spanish for UK
He took Eurovision being the gay olympics way too serious. And yes, I watched the Eurovision (at least the first half) with my kid and made sure I switch off TV for the performances of Olly, Bambie (although I loved it), Spain... I don't want to say we need to make Eurovision more kid friendly but at least let's make it more friendly for eastern european grandmas. Just a lil bit less steamy and a bit more colorful and creative in different ways. Imo
Olly Alexander really dropped the ball on this one
The UK has this weird victim complex lol, they send people who chart in the UK without consideration for what would actually work in a European setting.
If the UK sent someone like Chase and Status with a British vocalist, that would be so good. It’s just a shame we have to send someone gay for ‘diversity’ whose only goal is to have the most gay Eurovision song ever. I’d rather have a good performance, than a bad one.
Need I remind you of Scooch, Daz Sampson, Andy Abraham, Michael Rice, Josh Dubovie and don’t get me started on Jemini
The irony being Scooch isn't used mockingly anymore, which is kinda crazy.
Our entry was naff this year. Was too smutty rather than sexy or camp. Would love to see a Welsh singer
In the 90s we had national finals and tended to finish quite well 🤷♀️
The britts gotta wrap their heads around the fact that a famous artist isn’t enough. Especially when most of Europe doesn’t recognize the names to begin with. The vocal performance wasn’t good, and yes, the audiences do care about technicalities that affect the cohesion of a performance. The stage performance wasn’t visually appealing as a whole. You know, a dirdy ass murky grey washing room isn’t pretty no matter how many pretty men you put in it. The choreography was impressive on the part of the play with physics thing, but it didn’t translate onto tv screens because you had no way of knowing how it was shot on stage unless you were told. The point being the box not moving at all actually is a pretty cool aspect in the world of all the technology that is put in staging nowadays, moving pieces and electronic visual trickery. But for the love of Martin ’Step Down Please’ Österdahl, show the stage too! It didn’t feel like an immersive live stage performance but a music video. Admittedly, so did Tattoo, but tattoo was pretty. I don’t think the sexiness was the issue, but that it wasn’t appealing as a whole.
Also, what is it with Brittish pop and melodies that don’t rise like at all? To me the song was flat from the start. Nice on radio on the background, sure, but depressing on the dance floor.
😍Sam Ryder😍 not winning is the worst thing😳😳😳😠🥺🥺🥺😭😭😭
Did you actually read the article. It was a well-balanced article that wasn’t whiny but a positive article about how we could build on the direction the uk has gone in over recent years.
As much as selection shows can be fun, the UK has consistently failed in recent years to choose the best song through those shows such. Even Jade Ewan would have been thrown out by the public half way through the show if it wasn’t for an intervention by Andrew Lloyd Webber.
So no winning formula at the moment but a step in the right direction from where the UK has been over the last 20 years.
"Big names"
BRO IVE NEVER HEARD OF THIS SINGER
Bro, you sounded jeordie. My Scottish side is insulted
Yeah, our UK song was beyond garbage and the setting looked like the average UK public rest-stop bathrooms.
When it comes to the song and staging I wouldn't use the word good as what you're looking for, more like memorable and impactful
A Scottish accent IS a British accent-one of many.
C'mon guys, Olly's singing was not where it was supposed to be. I'm a fan of his artistry, but that doesn't mean his vocals were up to pare to some of the other artists.
I agree with your points! but I think you meant the difference between accents from Scotland and England, Scotland is in Britain and so is England.
The UK could do something like San Remo, Italy to choose its representative ❤
I agree staging was the big thing this year, which is a shame because I liked the staging, and don’t really think it was that much worse than things we’ve seen. Verka was arguably more “in your face” gay. Chanel and the Polish ladies churning milk were arguably just as sexual if not more. So is the issue that this is both? Sad that queer sexuality is the problem when queerness and sexuality are both fine on their own.
We never win because we send shit. We always try and do songs that we think Europeans would like, and we're bad at it. If we just stuck to our own thing we'd get more votes.
Don’t get me wrong, I know some of our songs have been so shit, but we’d 100% have received more points had we been another country (except Ireland). Like we have nobody vote for us when we send crap songs, but certain voting blocs still vote for their neighbours even when they send the worst songs possible... I’m not saying we’d win because that’s delusional but we would not be consistently getting low public vote points. Even in 2022 when we sent a good song, we only got 180 points from the public. If we’d have been another country we’d have got 200+ points from the televote.
I'm Scottish And Don't support The UK I support Ireland It feels like It's more English people that support the UK
They need to send novo amor he is welsh and he’s voice is amazing major fan please I hope they do coz I would vote for him he’s an amazing artist
The Scottish accent is a British accent. What you should say is you can’t do the English accent.
The problem is the song, not the choreo, the song is weak and no hook to be memorable. Sam Ryder winning bc he's 1) great vocal showcase 2) hooooookkkk in chorus
l thought the song was average, as a lot of these esc songs are. not that l liked much but it was still surprise that it didnt get points at all.
@@mathiastrostdorf5638well I have armenia and france on repeat.
For me it was the christmas sounding bells that I heard in the song
We always send something embarrassingly desperate because they feel like something weird and good looks like we're trying too hard. It really doesn't do what we think it does.
It always baffles me we send so many rubbish acts considering how prominent the uk is on the global music stage, we have the talent we just seemingly refuse to send any of it
Countries in the big 5 just don't want to organize the show 🤷 it's too expensive
I'm pretty sure France really wants to finally win again after 47+ years ... Italy sends something good almost every year anyway :D
England hosted in 2023, even though they didn't win. Italy hosted 2022
The public did choose the likes of Scooch too
I wish Olly from 2015 returned.
Richard Osborne explains in the rest of entertainment, if your song is about 17th and later, you most likely to win.
The main reason why I think the UK didn’t do well was just because of the song, now I’m just one individual and not the majority, but I wasn’t really a fan of the song, there wasn’t really a good hook and the lyrics were pretty bland.
It has nothing to do with politics, Sam Ryder from 2022’s Eurovision got the UK a 2nd place result in the final, the song this year just wasn’t the best.