I think factions like Albion, Halflings, Amazons, Kurgans and Araby can work similar to Empire's state troops. Once you capture their province, you gain access to some of their units.
@@charleswinters9567 With dogs if war by the book getting token units from lots of these minor factions (halfling rangers for instance) it would make a lot of sense for a sort of meta-faction which adds one or two troops to lots of factions, but also gets its own unique versions of them.
@@TheGreatBookofGrudges I would love the see at least the Halfling Hot Pot arty as a unique unit able to be build from a special building in The Moot. They could also include the Halfling Archers as basically Chameleon Skinks without poison damage, skirmisher missile infantry with stealth.
-Make the Moot have a specific building for empire that lets them recruit some halfling units. -Make the Kurgan a sub-faction of Warriors of Chaos -Hobgoblins should be mixed with Chaos Dwarfs - Include Amazons in the Dogs of War roster honestly the snakemen seemed like the most interesting thing there.
I remember we had a league where we let a guy run a 'pro Halfling' Team. It was a custom roster, we did that sometimes for tabletop to make things fun. Had no Tree's so it was all Halflings and had positionals like Runners and Thieves. Thieves started with strip ball and sure hands i believe and then the 'Runners' had Fend and Side Step. Super annoying.
The Great Book of Grudges Probably for the best if they try bury this on for awhile. Not gonna lie, I think they could be brought back later but they would need a major overhaul to help distant there unsettling inspiration. Seeing a tribal Africa inspired faction that is respectful to the group it is taking inspiration from would be cool.
@@casbah2075 Instead of pigmies, maybe a faction based around Shaka Zulu as an inspiration? But even that would be towing the line of poor taste... Something stylized after the Mali empire of Mansa Musa wouldn't draw of ire of the SJW types as much, but I don't think such a faction would bring anything interesting to either the tabletop or Total War...
@Melkhiordarkblade because "campaign packs" as these were known were overwhelmingly argued against in favour of a more robust roster and extra legendary lords.
@@OriginalRAB To be honest even the whole 'more legendary Lords' argument ended up failing. Since a lot of them ended up all playing the same as eachother anyway, without any unique mechanics for their sub-faction, only the DLC ones really got any love.
@@Noobie2k7 certainly originally. But the differing starting lications and minor buffs encouraging certain army builds was enough to promote a diversity people were happy with. Certainly wood elves and beastmen feel a little....slim these days. Chaos warriors too but at least there upgrade is a given come the inevitable third installment. its often less about radically suffering platstyle and more "awww I love x, why isn't x here?"
Well, two years later and there’s still no Amazon in sight, however, the chances of one day seeing a faction based on the snakemen of Khuresh have skyrocketed (and so does the chances of seeing one based on Ind, who wasn’t even mentioned in that video) !
@@thezomby5015 Thank you for the information. So far I didn't include any mods due to a fear of incompatibility with the game. But maybe I should give it a try, finnaly.
The least likely races to get, which I'd most love to see implemented would be Amazons and Araby. While the introduction of the Vampire Coast did raise the likeliness, I think at this point CA would also prefer to come up with some different or unique mechanics to make it work. The Vampire Coast unique compared to the Vampire Counts in that they have a hoard mechanic for their lords, in addition to functional cities, they introduced the pirate cove mechanic and they just straight up play differently. I think that's the sort of approach they'd need to have with both Amazons and Araby. For Amazons they could be different from other human nations by focusing more on skirmishes and ambushes, perhaps relying on a horde mechanic but having a few notable Lizardmen cities or Old one sites they could occupy. They could probably rely on poisons and also use some dinosaurs, but a lot less than Lizardmen, as in the dinos should be more support, instead of straight up the heavy hitters. They might also have access to some of the Slann spells. However all the above are just variations on existing mechanics and nothing new or unique.
Yeah i like your idea. In the Warhammer world, lots of the factions are based on real world or historical civilizations. Like the Lizardmen looking all Aztec, Empire being all Holy Roman Empire, Norsca being vikings, Bretonnia which is England-France incarnate. I feel like araby would be like a lot of arabic kingdoms, like i think araby would have great cavalry(like real arabian armies), lots of fast light infantry, ok skirmishers, and like weak artillery. Overall i think araby would be the first Ordertide Human Rush faction.
They just need to hire an south African indegenous expert as well as get a non neckbeard, preferably a woman to design their armor and clothing and it could work. As it stands now they are pretty cringe
@@sirknight3180 but that's also the issues with most western fantasy. Making stuff inspired by vikings or Roman's is easy because it's part of the creators culture and they have inherent knowledge about it. But if you make a race based on say Arabic culture, if you with zero knowledge about it start making it, you base it of racial stereotypes or things you picked up from other media. It's best to have an expert on the culture consult you so you avoid doing something disrespectful (ie the pygmies)
wile123456 i mean, the name Araby is just so similar, how can you NOT make it similar to real life. It’s like making an elf faction that isnt arrogant. Its like making an orc faction without a dumb voice and language. Its like making Tomb Kings about another civilization, like the Tomb(mummies, canopic jars) kings (leader) put them together and you get undead pseudo-egyptian kings. It’s like making a vampire faction and not having a guy with “count” in his name. Its like making a dark elf faction thats not edgy.
Instead of full factions some of these could be retooled as mercenary units, or maybe something akin to the regiments of renown. For example the Moot could have it own unique building chain allowing any order faction occupying it to recruit halflings, same for amazons in Tlaxtlan, and some Kul mercenaries (functioning as elite marauder horsemen maybe?) available to Norscans and chaos, but only recruitable around the Baersonling's camp. As a general rule of thumb I think we should always try to put stuff at specific locations on the map: it forces you to move and conquer places to get stuff instead of turtling in the corner
I really want Snake Men of Khuresh so that they can make a trailer full of He-Man references. -Kurgans could be added as a horde alternative to Norsca as a free DLC. -Amazonians as RoRs for Lizardmen or just references in random events at best, Lustria is too crowded. -Halflings could come as a unique hero and early game RoRs that could be gotten through random campaign events or a unique building in the Moot. -Hobgoblins could easily come as a horde faction for the Chaos Dwarfs. -Pigmies I definitely don't see happening and you can easily tell why, very hard thing to pull of tastefully and not piss off a lot of people. -Fishmen could definitely be an easter egg for Lizardmen as a random event. Not having enough lore to be considered worth doing is actually a great thing, since Old World is being revived and GW gave them permission to make stuff up, CA could work together with GW and develop some pretty cool models for Snake Men for instance, since they have basically no tabletop models but sound pretty interesting, they would sell well. I'm also pretty sure they would certainly want Ind, Cathay and Nippon in their game, people from those regions would love that if they were done tastefully. India, China and Japan have huge videogame cultures and if the marketing is done right, they could bring a ton of new fans and potential buyers.
My predictions: Halflings = Empire DLC as stated in video Hobgoblins = base Chaos Dwarfs roster + Legendary Lord (Great Khan) DLC spotlight Amazons = either part of Southern Realms roster (possibly as Regiment of Renown) or as a weird curveball inclusion to the Lizardmen (shrug to the rest, particularly the Snakemen of Khuresh, which I've never heard of before... though I can barely find anything on Khuresh period)
Kimarous would be cool if the east countries like cathay, ind and etc imagine they made eastern beastmen who are like tiger head and had those snake men in their army included.
@@dafq9149 if i remember correctly the "eastern beastmen" are already present in ind lore, with them having tiger/elephant/etc heads, however i don't think they're part of chaos though i could be wrong
I think it'd be interesting to get the Lizardmen curveball, and include the Amazons in their roster in game 3, or as a DLC for 2. It'd be more interesting to have some as minor factions that have decent relations with the Lizardmen, but I think that'd probably be the best way to implement them. Then, the Lizardmen can have like, 2-3 Amazonian units (Amazonian Warriors, Jaguar Warriors, and maybe a ranged unit, a berserker unit, or a Cold-One Rider unit?), a Regiment (or two) of Renown, a Hero type (Either a Spellcaster hero, or some sort of Handmaiden type hero), and a Legendary Lord (their queen, most likely.) I think it'd be alright, but like you kinda implied, a bit weird. But it's not lorebreaking, and if it was introduced well, I think it'd end up okay.
i could see some of these being implemented as subfactions. The hobgoblins, for example, could be a subfaction of chaos dwarfs, but like Skarsnik would only have access to Hobgoblin units until conquering certain Dawi Zharr cities.
SleightCreative Maybe but i’m wracking my brain around where they could be fit in, Lustria in game is a knife fight between 16 different flavors of lizards, orcs, vampirates, The huntsmans expedition and scaven because theres always scaven
The Kurgans might be closer to Chaos Warriors than Norsca, as they are infamous for their great size and fighting prowess. Sayl the Faithless and Tamurkhan both work. For me the biggest possible miss are the Southern Realms. Heck, they even get special landmarks and technologies that impact them. Yet CA missed one chance after another to release them, took one of their possible lords in Aranessa Saltspite, gave their colonies in Lustria to the Empire... yeah, I think there's a good chance they are not coming, except as a Norsca-esque preorder.
At this point I'm sort of hoping the final dlc for 2 (or even for 3) is a Dogs of War pack which adds loads of minor cultures (like the amazons and halflings) as minor factions in the campaign and a couple of individual units for main factions, as well as the named regiments of them as a playable Tilea. A huntsman style campaign focused on gathering up these great regiments to make a grand expedition would be really good. And regiments like the Desert Dogs would make great previews for their home cultures hopeful appearance in 3.
I feel like there needs to be a fundamental change in horde mechanics. 1) I'd completely ditch upkeep for horde unit. Makes no sense to me that Beastmen or Chaos Warriors need paying, they just want to watch the world burn. Instead, you can trade favour for army buffs from the Chaos Gods. 2) I'd lock elite units behind some sort of victory mechanic. You need to increase your renown to attract the strongest warriors to your cause so the more battles you win, the better the troops you can recruit. 3) Cities destroyed by a horde faction should be unable to be resettled whilst your horde is alive. Once that city is razed, that's it, poof. It now stands as a monument to the Chaos Gods or something. Nakai's mechanic would be fine, with a little tweaking to represent the horde race and goals. 4) There should also be a final battle for horde campaigns. In the End Times, the races came together for one final stand against Chaos. It could be your hordes vs everyone else. There could be a turn limit, forcing you to eliminate as many factions as possible in that time to better your chances in the final battle. Something like that.
i think halflings are highly likely to be added if dogs of war gets added since they are apart of the dogs of war roster and they could be used for the empire if you control the moot
The snake men would make a great addition for CA to put their skills to the test. If they were allowed full creative rights like they did with the vampire cost I think it would be a great addition to warhammer total war
It sort of makes sense to not include the pygmies considering they're named for a real ethnic group in Africa which faces discrimination and oppression even in their home countries. At the very least, they'd need to rename them and, uh, alter their aesthetic to be less what 19th century British imperialists thought native Africans were like.
I really want to see the Beastfiends from the Southern Wastes get an army one day. Extremely niche I know, but they made a huge impression on me in the Archaon novels. They would be a great addition to the Beastman army roster.
The amazons could be introduced as units in the mortal empires for Warhammer 3. They can also add the pygmies in this manner. I really hope that they do.
Róbert Szabolcsi they kinda just ignore each other in most of the stuff I’ve seen. Personally I’d rather they get a few units in the southern realms roster as I’d like southern realms/dogs of war to have a mercenary mechanic that kinda works like the elector count units for the empire.
Anyone see the tease on Warhammer 2's steam news "Something on the horizon...." with green skin teases? Edit:"Me an da boyz iz ready for da big WAAAAAAAGH!"
What do you think about the Lost Vampire Bloodlines? Such as the Jade-Bloods of Cathay, Hahtmasi of Araby, Bat Gods of Ind, and potential the Blood Naga being Snakemen infected with Vampirism.
To the point of unplayable they aren't very fun as they have fallen behind compared to many other races. They can still be cheesed but just not fun to play
I do not understand. What DLC wouldn't make money for them. I can only speak for myself. A $ 10 Halfling DLC where they have three units?. Sold A $ 25 DLC for the Beastmen DLC? Sold A $ 30 Araby DLC ? Sold A $ 50 Cathy DLC?, Sold A $ 100 warhammer 4 game with all the missing lore and factions? Sold, sold sold. I mean what you give me I will buy it and I think the majority of players will do the same. I am not a rich man but i know what i like and i spend money on what i enjoy and that allows me to relax from my stressful job and i can unwind when the kids are asleep and before my wife wants to watch some fucking romantic comedy with Dakota Johnson and Channing Tatum or some other a-holes. I want this and i want as much as possible.
@Hauke Holst ok the halfling are a bad exempel. But how will this work when GW has killed of the old world. They are not selling any unit models from the old war but they are going back there and Isnt this a great oppertunity to let CA do all the factions and units and in that way GW can see which factions are the populare ones and where to put their eggs in which basket? 😁
You never know. With some work you can put in everything. If the Dogs of War appear, then it won't be impossible that Lumpin Croop's Fighting Cocks will be available and thus halflings appearing isn't impossible. Also you don't need a new LL or something like this. You can add in a new type of lord, the aforementioned units and then have them be recruitable by the Empire as long as you hold The Moot. Maybe for anyone from any order faction. Kurgans, as well as the Hung, can also be easily mitigated, but for that to happen the Horde mechanic must be reworked to hell and back. We could make generic lords and units for both of them and have them as Norscan units. Snakemen from the Hinterlands of Khuresh? Easy. If Ind will ever be playable, then have the former be combined with the latter, thus the Ind armies get Snakemen as monster infantry and the Blood Nagas as Lord choices. Amazons? Simple. Have them as unit and hero packs recruitable for anyone who controls the places that are settled by them in lore (among them the Temple of Kara). Of course only probably for selected factions (you imagine The Fishmen...I see the problem The Pygmies? The only problems I have with them is their lips looking too comical and overall looking weird due to early sculpts being very dated. It would be a shame if they weren't in. They'd definitively be monster-hunter units and frighteningly efficient at it. I mean they can easily hunt down Coatlts. The very big, Chimera-sized feathered flying dinos who are also discount Slaan and can reshape the forests just by flying over them. Also where are the Coatlts?
I love lustria more than anywhere else, the lizardmen and Skaven are the main reason I got into the game, they are so different from the basic stereotypical fantasy races like dwarves and elves. They are what makes warhammer special to me, so I need more dlc for them in the next game
I bet they will retconn the snakemen of khuresh to be lost lizardmen like the dragon isles so there is more diversity of factions in that area, if its ever included into the hame
It's possible that if we get a Dogs of War army, it will come with standalone Amazon, Halfling, and Arabyan units, because of the different regiments. That'd be nice.
The hobgoblin Khanate could work as a free-LC faction in Warhammer 3 that functions similarly to Repanse de Lyoness in Warhammer 2. Some characteristics are the ability to recruit hobgoblin slaves (renamed for their faction) as well as bonuses to hobgoblins and goblin wolf riders.
I think the Hobgoblin Khanata is just going to be a subfaction for Chaos Dwarves Chaos Dwarves are basically Dwarves but very versatile -Greenskins to soak damage and keep Dwarven infantry occupied -Hobgobline cavalry to flank and damage enemy Artillery -Chaos Dwarves to decimate Dwarves with Guns and Spells!
2 years ago...heh, well I mean at least we know that 2 of these will more than likely actually be added later on...while not right now Koresh will definitely be a DLC and possibly other things...alot of the others I can see why they wont honestly exist though... Granted Kuresh will definiely need a ton of attention considering they aren't even brought up much at all during the lore for the most part. However it wouldn't be the first time they've done such, especially considering they even spent time and money making Daniel and intertwining his lore with The big Shadow Daddy himself. But also funny enough they removed the one island that has the most lore with it in favor for those two area's and even hint at them becoming something considering they exist while everything else doesn't...though tbh those other island may become expansions as well but only after those two islands or territories are more fleshed out...might be games workshop secretly saying they will focus on those area's first before adding in the islands just to the right of them...maybe to force Games Workshop off their asses to actually get up, and make something of nothing they left behind. Also the fact they included them alone within the map at all instead of erasing the land masses should basically mean they wish to see the respective races implemented into the game and thus are currently having them be blank spaces or blank spaces owned by just nobody random shite factions here and there.
I think the Dogs of War could get a shot at WH3, they would just have to warp the map a little to have all the Border Prince territories fit in with the Darklands, Kislev, Ogre Kingdoms, and whatever else they want to put in. They could even be the answer for some of the missing factions mentioned here, like the Amazon mercenaries, or Arabian mercenaries. I don't think they would be a launch faction though, maybe more of a first-wave DLC.
Also a regiment of renown of halfling where you can press an ability that makes the unit crawl on their hands and knees, allowing them to go under the legs of enemy unit as long as they are in combat against another allied unit.
The only thing I could want from the halflings is just maybe the hot pot give it discourage because of the boiling brew and that’s it there are other cooler units for the empire that are still missing and a dlc for halfling units mean taking the spot for other ones
I mean... the could add the pigmies... but not... those... models :)), those things ooze stereotype... a cool warhammerified wakanda style rework would be awesome... say they found and repurposed old one artefacts and are in sort of a low-tech high-tech state like the lizardmen... but more versatile like the empire... amazons could be a subfaction of them
@@Paul-wq5ij Maybe replace Pygmies with the rediscovered Karak Zorn. The dwarfs of Karak Zorn in my opinion should have a slightly different athestics from Northland Dwarfs. Karak Zorn dwarfs should have a cultural athestics inspired by the many people of Ethopia. Can probably borrow ideas from these 9th Age Fan project warhammer-empire.com/theforum/index.php?topic=52626.0 www.the-ninth-age.com/community/index.php?thread/37892-kegiz-gavem---nemed-dhuraz-the-ethiopian-dwarves-of-light/&pageNo=1
All of them: no chance. Maybe some Halfling units (archers and hot pot through a series of buildings in the Moot, maybe a hero also) something like Kinghts of the Blazing Sun. Hobgoblins possibly through Chaos Dwarfs and Greenskins, but doubtful as there own race
I would love to see the amazons transplanted to another jungle. Maybe the hinterlands of rhuresh. Wherever they go it would make sense for them to replace something that doesn't have any lore at all. Something other than lizards in the jungle would be nice too
Give us halflings Current halfling leader started in moot New lore of companionship character freeing ogre slaves Pigmis in southern area with special units Second lord in moot (I tried)
Do you think that after warhammer 3 and its dlcs that games workshop might start filling in these races as something to spice up here and there to make it feel complete?
It could be possible! Honestly with GW working on Old World lately there is a lot of potential for both OW and TWW3 to see a lot of stuff fleshed out 😊
Warhammer 4: the fillergame. No specific campaign, just some "mortal empires" thing that would focus on introducing every single minor faction until we're fed up with the game x)
Halflings should be part of Dogs of War where they would fit in perfectly alongside maneater ogres and tilean inventors as stealthy support troops for the rather siege minded tileans. Hobgoblins should be a minor chaos dwarf faction that can recruit more greenskin units as a hybrid. Snakemen of Khuresh could be a lizardmen colony with units for them. The fishpeople were kindda made into something else in later lore. We know of aquatic beastmen in bretonnia, called lakemen if I am not mistaken. Typical lovecraft thing but could be something intresting to add to the beastmen as maybe a horde with magic damage or a high physical resistance. Dunno, I just see them as infantry chaos spawn and that makes them so loveable. Kurgan and Hung are technicly simlar to eachother and I could see them beeing rolled into one steppe people of chaos faction. I mean, its better to hope for them rather than chaos cults or a revised araby with a more early arabian theme and bound chaos demons instead of generic genies.
I would like to see Amazon in Total War Warhammer 2 as they look a insteresting faction and would give a unique look in Lustria. I like sound of Halflings and Snakemen.
My take: Fishmen - RoR/Unit for Vampirates Halflings - Scouts/Hotpot recruitable per unique building at the Moot (like Hatchlings at Arachnos) for Empire/Bretonnia/Wood- or High Elves and Dwarfs only Kurgan, Hobgoblins, Snekmen, Pygmies - as in Video Amazons - Might be hireable Mercs.
A pity we won't see many of these races, I mean a lot are army wise very similar to other races in the area Albion - Norsca - Kurgans, Halflings - Empire, Araby - Tomb Kings - Empire, Amazon's - Lizardmen. But they still are worth at least something At least Amazons can be put with Lizardmen, Kurgans with Chaos or Norsca, and Halflings with Empire. Araby and Albion although similar to their neighbors also hate their neighbors so it would be quite the stretch to have them join in say Tomb Kings and Norsca
i think the Halflings could happen as a Meme Race someday. With just 1 LL (Elder Hisme) but the Warhammer version of the Fellowship of the Ring as a bunch of Unique Heroes. Probably giving them the goal of destroying Zharr Nagrund (the Mordor of Warhammer Fantasy) A Halfling Roster, Imperial State Troops for backup, some Treemen and Eagles and basically a very small Meme Roster could be fielded.
I actually believe we are going to see more content for warhammer III. Reason being is that Warhammer III almost certainly won't be coming out this year and probably over a year or so. September 2021. Given this significant gap we are going to see more updates for warhammer II then originally planned.
IT'S TREASON THEN Joke aside: The Kurgan could be part of the Warriors of Chaos and as mercenaries for the Norscans, the Hobgoblin as CD/DW trash units or a new Greenskin LL, Halfling in the moot as a regiment of renow and finally the Amazon in the DW roster or as a regiment of renow for Lizardman or Teclis and Wulfhark as mercenaries
Lost Factions Mod shows the potential of what is possible. Lost factions need of course a rework like Venris does with SFO. I hope the new Mega Campaign will include more of Lustria, giving more space for Amazons Mod and a legendary dwarf lord FLC (since we already got a minor faction from dwarves there), that would make Lustria much more interesting
I'd like a halfling legendary lord to be added in at the moot and you can recruit them as an empire faction when you take the moot. Taking the moot should also unlock a building chain in all empire cities that provides access to a halfling hero, the hotpot catapult, geese riders and halfling archers.
I wouldn't be surprised if we get a Chaos dwarf faction with 2/3 Chaos dwarf lords and then 1 which has a hobgoblin lord. Just like how they grouped Pirates of Sartosa with the Vampire Pirates.
I see snakes of Kuresh as a faction or mixed with Ind, both are based in hindu mithology. Halflings, amazon and pygmies as part of dogs of war roster. Kurgan and hung as expansion lord dlc with thematic units for norsca. Tamurkhan vs elspeth for example. Hobgobla Khan as a legendary Lord for sure, but not sure if the sixth greenskin ll or a chaos dwarf Lord.
If it's profit wise, I don't think GW should ever be concerned. Warhammer community is massive and growing. They're willing pay to have all the missing slots filled. Just that the GW must work on their bad writing in the Warhammer lore, main storyline and game canon. Fill in all the factions. As for the units roster, you should focus on creating as much legendary lord as possible and then have the unique unit roster be exclusive to that specific lord. Like how Chrace units belong only to Korhil and Alastar. If the player wishes to recruit them, that player must hold the corresponding region, is HE race and built the unique landmark. They should also consider OvN and Southern Realms mod as it fills in what they lack.
The Pigmies goofy design kind of fit tone of Warhammer, as it was never intended to be a completely serious kind of dark fantasy. To quote TvTropes: ''if you were to combine in equal parts Tolkien, Michael Moorcock's Elric stories, Berserk and Monty Python and the Holy Grail you would get something similar to Warhammer.'' But i do agree that they have the unfortunate smell like racism and should stay in wargaming limbo unless they give them a major overhaul.
I wish GW gave Cathay lore. China was already so advanced and wealthy to medieval travelers that they believed it to be magical. Considering how CA is still running Three Kingdoms, which already has mythical Chinese warriors, it might not come out, or be easier to implement.
A very extremely awesome video as always The Great Book of Grudges. And I think we still might see the Kurgan DLC in Warhammer three total war, either as a sub or a stand alone faction.
Snakemen and Amazons have actual potential as their own armies. Halflings would be empire units, kurgens would be warriors of chaos, hobgoblins would be chaos dwarves, I'd throw the pygmies in with the amazons and come on we ain't getting fishmen ever outside AoS water elves and moded fishmen race.
Considering the potential Map for Warhammer 3. I highly believe the Kurgan are going to be a Race for Warhammer 3. There's 4 LLs (Vardek Crom, Tamurkhan, Sayl the Faithless and Kayzk the Befouled) Give them a Cavalry and Monster centric roster and it could be done. I disagree on them not being the spotlight. Most of the Everchosen of Chaos have been from the Kurgan Tribes, including the one before Archaon, Azavar Kul. I have hopes for the Horde Rework to make them work. Also i think adding Settlements in the Chaos Wastes would work to make the Kurgan kinda like a hybrid faction. Horde (when outside the Chaos Wastes) Regular Settlements (when in the Chaos Wastes) would allow Kurgan to trade with Chaos Dwarfs (which they do in the lore) and also would make a WoC campaign more fun, as there would be stuff in the Chaos Wastes to also take care of.
For the amazon their is still a chance that they may come as sub-race (as the halflings) for the lizardmen in the next dlc or the one after (2 more dlc pack were annonced in last Q&A) Halflings may come in TTW3, as Kislev Nagas or snakemen may come too in TTW3 (as we now nothing of TTW3 yet) Khagans got high chance to be subrace of chaos in TTW3 chaos rework
I'm very late to this video, but I wanted to give my two cents on the topic: - Araby would probably not be in these games either. As far as we know, both CA and GW are very against admitting the faction's existence. I wouldn't be surprised if they retcon them in Old World when it comes out. Also, if they wanted to add them, they would've done so already. - I can see why gears workshop may want to distance itself from whatever that last faction was. Definitely going to be retconned. - Ind, Khuresh, Cathay and Nippon. They lack a lot of lore, but the main issue is that adding them would mean enlarging the map way too much. Kind of a shame, considering they could have an interesting feel to them. It would probably only happen if either CA tries to appeal to the Chinese market or GW fleshes them out in the Old World (which would probably be long in the future). Even then, I'd expect major changes.
I think they could do a DLC for the Hobgoblin in WH3 like The King and the Warlord in WH1 where you play As a leader that cut off the chaos dwarf units they could play as a Horde similar like Nakai The Wanderer where you need to capture territory for chaos Dwarf where they may give you some dwarf units but never let you recruit them from buildings.
Id pay a lot of money to have halfling hero units available after some missions and I absolutely demands giant monster unit that is just a normal sized goose that fucking murders units.
I think Halflings would be part of a Dogs of War army and Hobgoblin could get Hob-gobla Khan as a chaos dwarfs legendary lord specialised in buffing greenskin units. As for fishmen - I could see them as a hero option randomly beeing a part of some race. Maybe added to Vampire coast as a meme hero alongside a Vangheist lord pack. Make him a speedy hide specialist and watch the meme go vroom in multiplayer.
tbh with the limited information we have from the lore I could see the 3rd games map only stretching as far east as the eastern edge of the ogre kingdoms, then expanding into the Southlands somewhat more. then after that I believe that CA would probably start off with a Araby DLC/Brettonia rework. followed by an Estalian/Border Princes DLC and then after that I could honestly see a lot of faction reworks to some of the old races such as the Wood Elves/Beastman (if they aren't already reworked with the last DLC for Warhammer 2) then I could see races like Albion and maybe troll kingdoms being added, I also see the Tomb Kings perhaps getting maybe one more lord accompanied with a few new units. my assumption is that upon release of Warhammer 3 Chaos will already be reworked as that would be a big selling feature for those who have already played Warhammer 2. I could also see Chaos being dealt with with numerous LL DLC packs. as of right now the factions that need reworks the most in my opinion from Warhammer 2 is the Chaos, the beastmen and wood elves for sure.
Most likely the halflings would be added kinda similar to the sun knights (forget the name) where you Add a special building tree where you can recruit them Can also see kurgans added as a horse like Nora a faction
Yup Tigermen of Ind, they are more intelligent than standard Beastmen that we are used to in the Warhammer World and have been known to enter diplomacy with the native humans of Ind (well a rough form of diplomacy)
The Warden and the Paunch trailer is out guys. It releases on May 21st.
Hype time!
I think factions like Albion, Halflings, Amazons, Kurgans and Araby can work similar to Empire's state troops. Once you capture their province, you gain access to some of their units.
Not a bad idea! Minor factions such as these could still see some form of representation in the game!
@@TheGreatBookofGrudges Don't know how they would fit into custom/multiplayer games though. Perhaps they could fall under Dogs of War.
That is an awesome idea!
Would love to conquer the moot and getting access to some halfling units with empire colours.
@@charleswinters9567 With dogs if war by the book getting token units from lots of these minor factions (halfling rangers for instance) it would make a lot of sense for a sort of meta-faction which adds one or two troops to lots of factions, but also gets its own unique versions of them.
@@TheGreatBookofGrudges I would love the see at least the Halfling Hot Pot arty as a unique unit able to be build from a special building in The Moot.
They could also include the Halfling Archers as basically Chameleon Skinks without poison damage, skirmisher missile infantry with stealth.
"The Amazons of Lustria" sounds like an 80s porn title
JaggyShark You mean it isn’t?
I think the amazons will be nice to add in markus units. As mercenaries
-Make the Moot have a specific building for empire that lets them recruit some halfling units.
-Make the Kurgan a sub-faction of Warriors of Chaos
-Hobgoblins should be mixed with Chaos Dwarfs
- Include Amazons in the Dogs of War roster
honestly the snakemen seemed like the most interesting thing there.
Same I'm sooo interested in the snakemen
Agreed! Snakemen for TWH3!
Halflings were also the "joke" of Blood Bowl, but that didn't stop me winning a regional tournament with them.
I remember we had a league where we let a guy run a 'pro Halfling' Team. It was a custom roster, we did that sometimes for tabletop to make things fun. Had no Tree's so it was all Halflings and had positionals like Runners and Thieves. Thieves started with strip ball and sure hands i believe and then the 'Runners' had Fend and Side Step. Super annoying.
hhhhooooooooooowwwwwwwwwww
@@alphanoodle1877 Four Treemen, fortunate skill doubles for two Guard players, lots of Dirty Players, and a _lot_ of Blood Bowl experience.
My team went .500 thanks to some lucky hanlfling tosses
looking at those Pygmy models I think there may be a good reason they disappeared 🤣
I am not a PC person but even i think that its a good idea that they disappeare.
GW back in the day were a little less... subtle with some things yeah! 😂
The Great Book of Grudges
Probably for the best if they try bury this on for awhile.
Not gonna lie, I think they could be brought back later but they would need a major overhaul to help distant there unsettling inspiration.
Seeing a tribal Africa inspired faction that is respectful to the group it is taking inspiration from would be cool.
ooga booga, tribe leader ded.
@@casbah2075 Instead of pigmies, maybe a faction based around Shaka Zulu as an inspiration? But even that would be towing the line of poor taste... Something stylized after the Mali empire of Mansa Musa wouldn't draw of ire of the SJW types as much, but I don't think such a faction would bring anything interesting to either the tabletop or Total War...
Glad to see quite a few already exist in the OVN Lost factions mod which has gathered quite a following now
I've checked it out it's quite the fun mod!
I hope we seen Gnomes someday. They use Death Magic.
Hopefully they can bring us Pygmies as they were in the 80s.
7:14 A little risky there
Amazons that's how they dress 😂
@@TheGreatBookofGrudges giggity
The Southlands also has “Ape Men.” Basically smarter Gorillas, possibly Beastmen, but are hired as mercenaries.
@@fumarc4501 aka brazilians
Oh nooo I saw an animated nipple (dies).
"A race pack usually involves at least 4 LL and 4 different starting positions"
*Laughs in wood elvish*
Next to chaos it's probably the most underwhelming pack and boring campaign
@Melkhiordarkblade because "campaign packs" as these were known were overwhelmingly argued against in favour of a more robust roster and extra legendary lords.
@@OriginalRAB To be honest even the whole 'more legendary Lords' argument ended up failing. Since a lot of them ended up all playing the same as eachother anyway, without any unique mechanics for their sub-faction, only the DLC ones really got any love.
@@Noobie2k7 certainly originally. But the differing starting lications and minor buffs encouraging certain army builds was enough to promote a diversity people were happy with. Certainly wood elves and beastmen feel a little....slim these days. Chaos warriors too but at least there upgrade is a given come the inevitable third installment.
its often less about radically suffering platstyle and more "awww I love x, why isn't x here?"
*The Twisted and the Twilight comes out... with the entire reworking of the wood elves.*
Me: These comments did not age well huh?
Hey everyone we're doing something a little bit different today while we sort out the new series that we had planned that SHOULD kick start tomorrow 😊
Original Kislev? Chaos Dwarfs?
Arabia?
Well, two years later and there’s still no Amazon in sight, however, the chances of one day seeing a faction based on the snakemen of Khuresh have skyrocketed (and so does the chances of seeing one based on Ind, who wasn’t even mentioned in that video) !
I hope that Araby make an appearance as a race pack here. But they have to do it very well.
There are mods that adds Amazon, Araby, Halfling and many other minor factions to the game. The mods are fairly nice.
@@thezomby5015 Thank you for the information. So far I didn't include any mods due to a fear of incompatibility with the game. But maybe I should give it a try, finnaly.
I want a halflings lord for the empire that gets a goose mount!
Wouldn't that be fun?! Imagine if you could buff them up to be faster than Empire horses too 😂
The goose is loose needs to be their battlecry! 😂
@@thehonestaspy102 😂😂😂
Not enough lore?
*laughs in Vampire Coast*
The least likely races to get, which I'd most love to see implemented would be Amazons and Araby.
While the introduction of the Vampire Coast did raise the likeliness, I think at this point CA would also prefer to come up with some different or unique mechanics to make it work.
The Vampire Coast unique compared to the Vampire Counts in that they have a hoard mechanic for their lords, in addition to functional cities, they introduced the pirate cove mechanic and they just straight up play differently.
I think that's the sort of approach they'd need to have with both Amazons and Araby.
For Amazons they could be different from other human nations by focusing more on skirmishes and ambushes, perhaps relying on a horde mechanic but having a few notable Lizardmen cities or Old one sites they could occupy. They could probably rely on poisons and also use some dinosaurs, but a lot less than Lizardmen, as in the dinos should be more support, instead of straight up the heavy hitters.
They might also have access to some of the Slann spells.
However all the above are just variations on existing mechanics and nothing new or unique.
Yeah i like your idea.
In the Warhammer world, lots of the factions are based on real world or historical civilizations. Like the Lizardmen looking all Aztec, Empire being all Holy Roman Empire, Norsca being vikings, Bretonnia which is England-France incarnate. I feel like araby would be like a lot of arabic kingdoms, like i think araby would have great cavalry(like real arabian armies), lots of fast light infantry, ok skirmishers, and like weak artillery. Overall i think araby would be the first Ordertide Human Rush faction.
They just need to hire an south African indegenous expert as well as get a non neckbeard, preferably a woman to design their armor and clothing and it could work. As it stands now they are pretty cringe
@@sirknight3180 but that's also the issues with most western fantasy. Making stuff inspired by vikings or Roman's is easy because it's part of the creators culture and they have inherent knowledge about it.
But if you make a race based on say Arabic culture, if you with zero knowledge about it start making it, you base it of racial stereotypes or things you picked up from other media. It's best to have an expert on the culture consult you so you avoid doing something disrespectful (ie the pygmies)
wile123456 i mean, the name Araby is just so similar, how can you NOT make it similar to real life. It’s like making an elf faction that isnt arrogant. Its like making an orc faction without a dumb voice and language. Its like making Tomb Kings about another civilization, like the Tomb(mummies, canopic jars) kings (leader) put them together and you get undead pseudo-egyptian kings. It’s like making a vampire faction and not having a guy with “count” in his name. Its like making a dark elf faction thats not edgy.
@@sirknight3180 Empire is also German engineering.
Instead of full factions some of these could be retooled as mercenary units, or maybe something akin to the regiments of renown. For example the Moot could have it own unique building chain allowing any order faction occupying it to recruit halflings, same for amazons in Tlaxtlan, and some Kul mercenaries (functioning as elite marauder horsemen maybe?) available to Norscans and chaos, but only recruitable around the Baersonling's camp.
As a general rule of thumb I think we should always try to put stuff at specific locations on the map: it forces you to move and conquer places to get stuff instead of turtling in the corner
I really want Snake Men of Khuresh so that they can make a trailer full of He-Man references.
-Kurgans could be added as a horde alternative to Norsca as a free DLC.
-Amazonians as RoRs for Lizardmen or just references in random events at best, Lustria is too crowded.
-Halflings could come as a unique hero and early game RoRs that could be gotten through random campaign events or a unique building in the Moot.
-Hobgoblins could easily come as a horde faction for the Chaos Dwarfs.
-Pigmies I definitely don't see happening and you can easily tell why, very hard thing to pull of tastefully and not piss off a lot of people.
-Fishmen could definitely be an easter egg for Lizardmen as a random event.
Not having enough lore to be considered worth doing is actually a great thing, since Old World is being revived and GW gave them permission to make stuff up, CA could work together with GW and develop some pretty cool models for Snake Men for instance, since they have basically no tabletop models but sound pretty interesting, they would sell well. I'm also pretty sure they would certainly want Ind, Cathay and Nippon in their game, people from those regions would love that if they were done tastefully. India, China and Japan have huge videogame cultures and if the marketing is done right, they could bring a ton of new fans and potential buyers.
Araby won’t be forgotten!!
My predictions:
Halflings = Empire DLC as stated in video
Hobgoblins = base Chaos Dwarfs roster + Legendary Lord (Great Khan) DLC spotlight
Amazons = either part of Southern Realms roster (possibly as Regiment of Renown) or as a weird curveball inclusion to the Lizardmen
(shrug to the rest, particularly the Snakemen of Khuresh, which I've never heard of before... though I can barely find anything on Khuresh period)
Kimarous would be cool if the east countries like cathay, ind and etc imagine they made eastern beastmen who are like tiger head and had those snake men in their army included.
@@dafq9149 if i remember correctly the "eastern beastmen" are already present in ind lore, with them having tiger/elephant/etc heads, however i don't think they're part of chaos though i could be wrong
I think it'd be interesting to get the Lizardmen curveball, and include the Amazons in their roster in game 3, or as a DLC for 2. It'd be more interesting to have some as minor factions that have decent relations with the Lizardmen, but I think that'd probably be the best way to implement them. Then, the Lizardmen can have like, 2-3 Amazonian units (Amazonian Warriors, Jaguar Warriors, and maybe a ranged unit, a berserker unit, or a Cold-One Rider unit?), a Regiment (or two) of Renown, a Hero type (Either a Spellcaster hero, or some sort of Handmaiden type hero), and a Legendary Lord (their queen, most likely.)
I think it'd be alright, but like you kinda implied, a bit weird. But it's not lorebreaking, and if it was introduced well, I think it'd end up okay.
Snake men and Fish People just sound fun.
Shame, Ill never be able to kill Archaon with my hotpot launcher doomstack. Come on CA.
i could see some of these being implemented as subfactions. The hobgoblins, for example, could be a subfaction of chaos dwarfs, but like Skarsnik would only have access to Hobgoblin units until conquering certain Dawi Zharr cities.
The Amazons could be introduced as a pre-order bonus for warhammmer 3, like the Norsca were in for Warhammer 2
SleightCreative
Maybe but i’m wracking my brain around where they could be fit in, Lustria in game is a knife fight between 16 different flavors of lizards, orcs, vampirates, The huntsmans expedition and scaven because theres always scaven
The Kurgans might be closer to Chaos Warriors than Norsca, as they are infamous for their great size and fighting prowess. Sayl the Faithless and Tamurkhan both work.
For me the biggest possible miss are the Southern Realms. Heck, they even get special landmarks and technologies that impact them. Yet CA missed one chance after another to release them, took one of their possible lords in Aranessa Saltspite, gave their colonies in Lustria to the Empire... yeah, I think there's a good chance they are not coming, except as a Norsca-esque preorder.
The only Kurgan units I can think of are Lancers and Horse Archers which can be given to Norsca and Warriors of Chaos
At this point I'm sort of hoping the final dlc for 2 (or even for 3) is a Dogs of War pack which adds loads of minor cultures (like the amazons and halflings) as minor factions in the campaign and a couple of individual units for main factions, as well as the named regiments of them as a playable Tilea. A huntsman style campaign focused on gathering up these great regiments to make a grand expedition would be really good. And regiments like the Desert Dogs would make great previews for their home cultures hopeful appearance in 3.
I feel like there needs to be a fundamental change in horde mechanics.
1) I'd completely ditch upkeep for horde unit. Makes no sense to me that Beastmen or Chaos Warriors need paying, they just want to watch the world burn. Instead, you can trade favour for army buffs from the Chaos Gods.
2) I'd lock elite units behind some sort of victory mechanic. You need to increase your renown to attract the strongest warriors to your cause so the more battles you win, the better the troops you can recruit.
3) Cities destroyed by a horde faction should be unable to be resettled whilst your horde is alive. Once that city is razed, that's it, poof. It now stands as a monument to the Chaos Gods or something. Nakai's mechanic would be fine, with a little tweaking to represent the horde race and goals.
4) There should also be a final battle for horde campaigns. In the End Times, the races came together for one final stand against Chaos. It could be your hordes vs everyone else. There could be a turn limit, forcing you to eliminate as many factions as possible in that time to better your chances in the final battle.
Something like that.
Funny that all of your suggestions in some way or another became a thing for the Beastmen
i think halflings are highly likely to be added if dogs of war gets added since they are apart of the dogs of war roster and they could be used for the empire if you control the moot
The snake men would make a great addition for CA to put their skills to the test. If they were allowed full creative rights like they did with the vampire cost I think it would be a great addition to warhammer total war
It sort of makes sense to not include the pygmies considering they're named for a real ethnic group in Africa which faces discrimination and oppression even in their home countries. At the very least, they'd need to rename them and, uh, alter their aesthetic to be less what 19th century British imperialists thought native Africans were like.
I really want to see the Beastfiends from the Southern Wastes get an army one day. Extremely niche I know, but they made a huge impression on me in the Archaon novels. They would be a great addition to the Beastman army roster.
The amazons could be introduced as units in the mortal empires for Warhammer 3. They can also add the pygmies in this manner. I really hope that they do.
Daniel Frank I’m game for all old minor factions except the pygmie maybe we can just pretend they don’t exist 😂😂
Maybe add Amazon's as a Lizardman unit? Not shure how friendly they are in Lore though.
Róbert Szabolcsi they kinda just ignore each other in most of the stuff I’ve seen. Personally I’d rather they get a few units in the southern realms roster as I’d like southern realms/dogs of war to have a mercenary mechanic that kinda works like the elector count units for the empire.
@@chrisspink8873 yeah that would make sense too.
Chris Spink Why no pygmies😂? I find that they could add diversity to the human rosters by having some African themed units.
Anyone see the tease on Warhammer 2's steam news "Something on the horizon...." with green skin teases?
Edit:"Me an da boyz iz ready for da big WAAAAAAAGH!"
Da Waaagh is coming SOON
WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGH!!!!!!
What do you think about the Lost Vampire Bloodlines? Such as the Jade-Bloods of Cathay, Hahtmasi of Araby, Bat Gods of Ind, and potential the Blood Naga being Snakemen infected with Vampirism.
7:17 I am surprised the woman in front hasnt had her chest censured... XD
Look into upper part of picture xD
And now we'll get a combined map featuring Khuresh
hopefully
When you say “Hordes are broken” do you mean it as in powerful, or as in unplayable?
To the point of unplayable they aren't very fun as they have fallen behind compared to many other races. They can still be cheesed but just not fun to play
Just looking at the Pygmies makes me offended.... I totally get why they won't make them playable.
FRANKIE GALE miniatures makes you offended? SJW Much
Of course a white guy makes an insensitive comment......what a surprise...
FRANKIE GALE for real though those miniatures are exceedingly stereotypical, I see where you’re coming from after watching the video
@@frankiegale5460 Lol, and you be racist back. No better.
I do not understand. What DLC wouldn't make money for them.
I can only speak for myself.
A $ 10 Halfling DLC where they have three units?. Sold
A $ 25 DLC for the Beastmen DLC? Sold
A $ 30 Araby DLC ? Sold
A $ 50 Cathy DLC?, Sold
A $ 100 warhammer 4 game with all the missing lore and factions? Sold, sold sold.
I mean what you give me I will buy it and I think the majority of players will do the same.
I am not a rich man but i know what i like and i spend money on what i enjoy and that allows me to relax from my stressful job and i can unwind when the kids are asleep and before my wife wants to watch some fucking romantic comedy with Dakota Johnson and Channing Tatum or some other a-holes.
I want this and i want as much as possible.
@Hauke Holst ok the halfling are a bad exempel.
But how will this work when GW has killed of the old world. They are not selling any unit models from the old war but they are going back there and
Isnt this a great oppertunity to let CA do all the factions and units and in that way GW can see which factions are the populare ones and where to put their eggs in which basket? 😁
You never know. With some work you can put in everything. If the Dogs of War appear, then it won't be impossible that Lumpin Croop's Fighting Cocks will be available and thus halflings appearing isn't impossible. Also you don't need a new LL or something like this. You can add in a new type of lord, the aforementioned units and then have them be recruitable by the Empire as long as you hold The Moot. Maybe for anyone from any order faction.
Kurgans, as well as the Hung, can also be easily mitigated, but for that to happen the Horde mechanic must be reworked to hell and back. We could make generic lords and units for both of them and have them as Norscan units.
Snakemen from the Hinterlands of Khuresh? Easy. If Ind will ever be playable, then have the former be combined with the latter, thus the Ind armies get Snakemen as monster infantry and the Blood Nagas as Lord choices.
Amazons? Simple. Have them as unit and hero packs recruitable for anyone who controls the places that are settled by them in lore (among them the Temple of Kara). Of course only probably for selected factions (you imagine
The Fishmen...I see the problem
The Pygmies? The only problems I have with them is their lips looking too comical and overall looking weird due to early sculpts being very dated. It would be a shame if they weren't in. They'd definitively be monster-hunter units and frighteningly efficient at it. I mean they can easily hunt down Coatlts. The very big, Chimera-sized feathered flying dinos who are also discount Slaan and can reshape the forests just by flying over them.
Also where are the Coatlts?
I love lustria more than anywhere else, the lizardmen and Skaven are the main reason I got into the game, they are so different from the basic stereotypical fantasy races like dwarves and elves. They are what makes warhammer special to me, so I need more dlc for them in the next game
I bet they will retconn the snakemen of khuresh to be lost lizardmen like the dragon isles so there is more diversity of factions in that area, if its ever included into the hame
It's possible that if we get a Dogs of War army, it will come with standalone Amazon, Halfling, and Arabyan units, because of the different regiments. That'd be nice.
I didn't know about the snakemen, the fishmen, or the pygmies before this.
The hobgoblin Khanate could work as a free-LC faction in Warhammer 3 that functions similarly to Repanse de Lyoness in Warhammer 2. Some characteristics are the ability to recruit hobgoblin slaves (renamed for their faction) as well as bonuses to hobgoblins and goblin wolf riders.
I think the Hobgoblin Khanata is just going to be a subfaction for Chaos Dwarves
Chaos Dwarves are basically Dwarves but very versatile
-Greenskins to soak damage and keep Dwarven infantry occupied
-Hobgobline cavalry to flank and damage enemy Artillery
-Chaos Dwarves to decimate Dwarves with Guns and Spells!
You think Halflings are harmless and can't be a faction in the campaing? Have you played the first Overlord?
you could make a Jungel version of the wood elves and make it look like a crossover between Amazons and Woodelves :)
2 years ago...heh, well I mean at least we know that 2 of these will more than likely actually be added later on...while not right now Koresh will definitely be a DLC and possibly other things...alot of the others I can see why they wont honestly exist though...
Granted Kuresh will definiely need a ton of attention considering they aren't even brought up much at all during the lore for the most part. However it wouldn't be the first time they've done such, especially considering they even spent time and money making Daniel and intertwining his lore with The big Shadow Daddy himself.
But also funny enough they removed the one island that has the most lore with it in favor for those two area's and even hint at them becoming something considering they exist while everything else doesn't...though tbh those other island may become expansions as well but only after those two islands or territories are more fleshed out...might be games workshop secretly saying they will focus on those area's first before adding in the islands just to the right of them...maybe to force Games Workshop off their asses to actually get up, and make something of nothing they left behind.
Also the fact they included them alone within the map at all instead of erasing the land masses should basically mean they wish to see the respective races implemented into the game and thus are currently having them be blank spaces or blank spaces owned by just nobody random shite factions here and there.
I think the Dogs of War could get a shot at WH3, they would just have to warp the map a little to have all the Border Prince territories fit in with the Darklands, Kislev, Ogre Kingdoms, and whatever else they want to put in. They could even be the answer for some of the missing factions mentioned here, like the Amazon mercenaries, or Arabian mercenaries. I don't think they would be a launch faction though, maybe more of a first-wave DLC.
Also a regiment of renown of halfling where you can press an ability that makes the unit crawl on their hands and knees, allowing them to go under the legs of enemy unit as long as they are in combat against another allied unit.
The only thing I could want from the halflings is just maybe the hot pot give it discourage because of the boiling brew and that’s it there are other cooler units for the empire that are still missing and a dlc for halfling units mean taking the spot for other ones
I mean... the could add the pigmies... but not... those... models :)), those things ooze stereotype... a cool warhammerified wakanda style rework would be awesome... say they found and repurposed old one artefacts and are in sort of a low-tech high-tech state like the lizardmen... but more versatile like the empire... amazons could be a subfaction of them
TempestWolf1 doesn’t that defeat the purpose of the pygmies? They’re supposed to be savages not high tech like Wakanda. I say just don’t include them
@@Paul-wq5ij Maybe replace Pygmies with the rediscovered Karak Zorn. The dwarfs of Karak Zorn in my opinion should have a slightly different athestics from Northland Dwarfs. Karak Zorn dwarfs should have a cultural athestics inspired by the many people of Ethopia. Can probably borrow ideas from these 9th Age Fan project
warhammer-empire.com/theforum/index.php?topic=52626.0
www.the-ninth-age.com/community/index.php?thread/37892-kegiz-gavem---nemed-dhuraz-the-ethiopian-dwarves-of-light/&pageNo=1
Wakanda.... When the most advanced nation is skaven who got nukes, you want magical space pygmies for no reason? Also, black panther was a bad movie.
keep marvel crap out of warhammer fanatasy. just easier not to do this model
All of them: no chance. Maybe some Halfling units (archers and hot pot through a series of buildings in the Moot, maybe a hero also) something like Kinghts of the Blazing Sun. Hobgoblins possibly through Chaos Dwarfs and Greenskins, but doubtful as there own race
I would love to see the amazons transplanted to another jungle. Maybe the hinterlands of rhuresh. Wherever they go it would make sense for them to replace something that doesn't have any lore at all. Something other than lizards in the jungle would be nice too
I do think we will see a Hobgoblin sub faction for the Dawi Zharr under Gorduz Backstabber.
Give us halflings
Current halfling leader started in moot
New lore of companionship character freeing ogre slaves
Pigmis in southern area with special units
Second lord in moot
(I tried)
The Kurgan would make for cool rogue armies prowling about that part of the world.
Do you think that after warhammer 3 and its dlcs that games workshop might start filling in these races as something to spice up here and there to make it feel complete?
It could be possible! Honestly with GW working on Old World lately there is a lot of potential for both OW and TWW3 to see a lot of stuff fleshed out 😊
Warhammer 4: the fillergame. No specific campaign, just some "mortal empires" thing that would focus on introducing every single minor faction until we're fed up with the game x)
I'll never get fed up of this series 😂
Halflings should be part of Dogs of War where they would fit in perfectly alongside maneater ogres and tilean inventors as stealthy support troops for the rather siege minded tileans. Hobgoblins should be a minor chaos dwarf faction that can recruit more greenskin units as a hybrid. Snakemen of Khuresh could be a lizardmen colony with units for them.
The fishpeople were kindda made into something else in later lore. We know of aquatic beastmen in bretonnia, called lakemen if I am not mistaken. Typical lovecraft thing but could be something intresting to add to the beastmen as maybe a horde with magic damage or a high physical resistance. Dunno, I just see them as infantry chaos spawn and that makes them so loveable. Kurgan and Hung are technicly simlar to eachother and I could see them beeing rolled into one steppe people of chaos faction. I mean, its better to hope for them rather than chaos cults or a revised araby with a more early arabian theme and bound chaos demons instead of generic genies.
Don't you dare shatter my dreams of an halfling faction, monster
Looking forward towards Cathay and Araby.
They have been dropping a few hints about Fishmen, so I think they will come, if Warhammer 3 starts doing well after Immortal empires.
I would like to see Amazon in Total War Warhammer 2 as they look a insteresting faction and would give a unique look in Lustria. I like sound of Halflings and Snakemen.
The pygmies could potentially be replaced by Lustrian halflings, highly unlikely tho
My take:
Fishmen - RoR/Unit for Vampirates
Halflings - Scouts/Hotpot recruitable per unique building at the Moot (like Hatchlings at Arachnos) for Empire/Bretonnia/Wood- or High Elves and Dwarfs only
Kurgan, Hobgoblins, Snekmen, Pygmies - as in Video
Amazons - Might be hireable Mercs.
That Snakeman is super cute.
I'm still holding out hope for araby so glad you didn't include them here!
A pity we won't see many of these races, I mean a lot are army wise very similar to other races in the area Albion - Norsca - Kurgans, Halflings - Empire, Araby - Tomb Kings - Empire, Amazon's - Lizardmen. But they still are worth at least something
At least Amazons can be put with Lizardmen, Kurgans with Chaos or Norsca, and Halflings with Empire. Araby and Albion although similar to their neighbors also hate their neighbors so it would be quite the stretch to have them join in say Tomb Kings and Norsca
Won’t see Ind, Cathay or Nippon either! Kurgans aactually might appear in game 3, as part of Chaos.
i think the Halflings could happen as a Meme Race someday. With just 1 LL (Elder Hisme) but the Warhammer version of the Fellowship of the Ring as a bunch of Unique Heroes. Probably giving them the goal of destroying Zharr Nagrund (the Mordor of Warhammer Fantasy)
A Halfling Roster, Imperial State Troops for backup, some Treemen and Eagles and basically a very small Meme Roster could be fielded.
I actually believe we are going to see more content for warhammer III. Reason being is that Warhammer III almost certainly won't be coming out this year and probably over a year or so. September 2021. Given this significant gap we are going to see more updates for warhammer II then originally planned.
IT'S TREASON THEN
Joke aside: The Kurgan could be part of the Warriors of Chaos and as mercenaries for the Norscans, the Hobgoblin as CD/DW trash units or a new Greenskin LL, Halfling in the moot as a regiment of renow and finally the Amazon in the DW roster or as a regiment of renow for Lizardman or Teclis and Wulfhark as mercenaries
Lost Factions Mod shows the potential of what is possible. Lost factions need of course a rework like Venris does with SFO. I hope the new Mega Campaign will include more of Lustria, giving more space for Amazons Mod and a legendary dwarf lord FLC (since we already got a minor faction from dwarves there), that would make Lustria much more interesting
I'd like a halfling legendary lord to be added in at the moot and you can recruit them as an empire faction when you take the moot. Taking the moot should also unlock a building chain in all empire cities that provides access to a halfling hero, the hotpot catapult, geese riders and halfling archers.
The snake men never had actual figures and rules in Blood Bowl, but a team is mentioned once, and extremely briefly.
I wouldn't be surprised if we get a Chaos dwarf faction with 2/3 Chaos dwarf lords and then 1 which has a hobgoblin lord. Just like how they grouped Pirates of Sartosa with the Vampire Pirates.
I see snakes of Kuresh as a faction or mixed with Ind, both are based in hindu mithology. Halflings, amazon and pygmies as part of dogs of war roster. Kurgan and hung as expansion lord dlc with thematic units for norsca. Tamurkhan vs elspeth for example. Hobgobla Khan as a legendary Lord for sure, but not sure if the sixth greenskin ll or a chaos dwarf Lord.
CA: ''Haha syke bicth! Amazon next DLC not the highelf and greenskrins''
I'd eat my own shoe 😂
If it's profit wise, I don't think GW should ever be concerned. Warhammer community is massive and growing. They're willing pay to have all the missing slots filled. Just that the GW must work on their bad writing in the Warhammer lore, main storyline and game canon. Fill in all the factions. As for the units roster, you should focus on creating as much legendary lord as possible and then have the unique unit roster be exclusive to that specific lord. Like how Chrace units belong only to Korhil and Alastar. If the player wishes to recruit them, that player must hold the corresponding region, is HE race and built the unique landmark. They should also consider OvN and Southern Realms mod as it fills in what they lack.
The Pigmies goofy design kind of fit tone of Warhammer, as it was never intended to be a completely serious kind of dark fantasy.
To quote TvTropes: ''if you were to combine in equal parts Tolkien, Michael Moorcock's Elric stories, Berserk and Monty Python and the Holy Grail you would get something similar to Warhammer.''
But i do agree that they have the unfortunate smell like racism and should stay in wargaming limbo unless they give them a major overhaul.
Halflings, Amazons and Chaos Dwarfs are all available via mods.
The fact that Albion is not on this list fills me with hope
Believe.
I wish GW gave Cathay lore. China was already so advanced and wealthy to medieval travelers that they believed it to be magical. Considering how CA is still running Three Kingdoms, which already has mythical Chinese warriors, it might not come out, or be easier to implement.
Dont underestimated halflings, they can be very sneaky than skaven. Just give the one ring and they will raze this world
Snakemen could be a great DLC if they only had enough lore.
The concept was always cool looking and if I can be honest it's better to see other Chaos based factions that arent all human!
@@TheGreatBookofGrudges . Were Snakemen a chaos based faction? Or in concept if they ever truly existed in a faction form.
Snake men were generally seen as another Chaos faction in lore and I believe in terms of rules way back in the day!
@@TheGreatBookofGrudges . Nice.
@Hauke Holst. New lore could be created for the Snakemen when Warhammer The Old World comes out.
A very extremely awesome video as always The Great Book of Grudges. And I think we still might see the Kurgan DLC in Warhammer three total war, either as a sub or a stand alone faction.
halfings could be added instead of a lord pack but as a landmark building or two
Snakemen and Amazons have actual potential as their own armies. Halflings would be empire units, kurgens would be warriors of chaos, hobgoblins would be chaos dwarves, I'd throw the pygmies in with the amazons and come on we ain't getting fishmen ever outside AoS water elves and moded fishmen race.
Considering the potential Map for Warhammer 3. I highly believe the Kurgan are going to be a Race for Warhammer 3. There's 4 LLs (Vardek Crom, Tamurkhan, Sayl the Faithless and Kayzk the Befouled) Give them a Cavalry and Monster centric roster and it could be done.
I disagree on them not being the spotlight. Most of the Everchosen of Chaos have been from the Kurgan Tribes, including the one before Archaon, Azavar Kul.
I have hopes for the Horde Rework to make them work. Also i think adding Settlements in the Chaos Wastes would work to make the Kurgan kinda like a hybrid faction. Horde (when outside the Chaos Wastes) Regular Settlements (when in the Chaos Wastes) would allow Kurgan to trade with Chaos Dwarfs (which they do in the lore) and also would make a WoC campaign more fun, as there would be stuff in the Chaos Wastes to also take care of.
For the amazon their is still a chance that they may come as sub-race (as the halflings) for the lizardmen in the next dlc or the one after (2 more dlc pack were annonced in last Q&A)
Halflings may come in TTW3, as Kislev
Nagas or snakemen may come too in TTW3 (as we now nothing of TTW3 yet)
Khagans got high chance to be subrace of chaos in TTW3 chaos rework
I'm very late to this video, but I wanted to give my two cents on the topic:
- Araby would probably not be in these games either. As far as we know, both CA and GW are very against admitting the faction's existence. I wouldn't be surprised if they retcon them in Old World when it comes out. Also, if they wanted to add them, they would've done so already.
- I can see why gears workshop may want to distance itself from whatever that last faction was. Definitely going to be retconned.
- Ind, Khuresh, Cathay and Nippon. They lack a lot of lore, but the main issue is that adding them would mean enlarging the map way too much. Kind of a shame, considering they could have an interesting feel to them. It would probably only happen if either CA tries to appeal to the Chinese market or GW fleshes them out in the Old World (which would probably be long in the future). Even then, I'd expect major changes.
I think they could do a DLC for the Hobgoblin in WH3 like The King and the Warlord in WH1 where you play As a leader that cut off the chaos dwarf units they could play as a Horde similar like Nakai The Wanderer where you need to capture territory for chaos Dwarf where they may give you some dwarf units but never let you recruit them from buildings.
Id pay a lot of money to have halfling hero units available after some missions and I absolutely demands giant monster unit that is just a normal sized goose that fucking murders units.
i think the pygmy race isn't getting added for some other reasons... they look like they are from Confederate Toys INC.
I think Halflings would be part of a Dogs of War army and Hobgoblin could get Hob-gobla Khan as a chaos dwarfs legendary lord specialised in buffing greenskin units.
As for fishmen - I could see them as a hero option randomly beeing a part of some race. Maybe added to Vampire coast as a meme hero alongside a Vangheist lord pack. Make him a speedy hide specialist and watch the meme go vroom in multiplayer.
So what your telling me is that Araby still has a chance?
tbh with the limited information we have from the lore I could see the 3rd games map only stretching as far east as the eastern edge of the ogre kingdoms, then expanding into the Southlands somewhat more. then after that I believe that CA would probably start off with a Araby DLC/Brettonia rework. followed by an Estalian/Border Princes DLC and then after that I could honestly see a lot of faction reworks to some of the old races such as the Wood Elves/Beastman (if they aren't already reworked with the last DLC for Warhammer 2)
then I could see races like Albion and maybe troll kingdoms being added, I also see the Tomb Kings perhaps getting maybe one more lord accompanied with a few new units.
my assumption is that upon release of Warhammer 3 Chaos will already be reworked as that would be a big selling feature for those who have already played Warhammer 2. I could also see Chaos being dealt with with numerous LL DLC packs.
as of right now the factions that need reworks the most in my opinion from Warhammer 2 is the Chaos, the beastmen and wood elves for sure.
You know you know to much when you know all of the faction in this list
I’d like them in a mercenary mechanic. Like a unit not a faction. Some of them factions but I’d be happy with mercenary units
Most likely the halflings would be added kinda similar to the sun knights (forget the name) where you Add a special building tree where you can recruit them
Can also see kurgans added as a horse like Nora a faction
I heard that there are tigermen in the warhammer world, Ind?
Yup Tigermen of Ind, they are more intelligent than standard Beastmen that we are used to in the Warhammer World and have been known to enter diplomacy with the native humans of Ind (well a rough form of diplomacy)
Ind also have Bat “Gods,” basically Vampires that look like giant fruit bats.
I think an interesting faction could be made out of the Kurgans. Chaos Mongols would be great
I'm thinking that the reason why the Pygmies have absolutely zero chance of appearing has nothing to do with them coming from Lustria.