2023 KTM 890 Adventure - Have KTM perfected it?
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- čas přidán 14. 06. 2024
- The 2023 KTM 890 Adventure has undergone some changes from the previous model, most noticeably the bodywork and windscreen, but are these changes more than just cosmetic? Do they make a real difference to the 890 Adventure? The bike sits in the middle of KTM's travel range, but is it potentially the best option for all-around adventure travel? In this video, I aim to find out.
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00:00 - Introduction
02:33 - Comparison to previous model
04:01 - New Windscreen
05:04 - New Side Fairings
05:44 - Change of seat profile
06:29 - New TFT Screen
07:48 - Off-Road Riding
10:04 - Such a good engine
10:52 - Pricing, value for money and THAT demo mode
13:08 - Negatives?
13:34 - Riding summary & Walk around
15:28 - Conclusions - Auta a dopravní prostředky
Interesting review, without a doubt the 790 and 890 Adventure are very capable bikes, I just cannot get over the looks, I think when you get off your bike or out of your car and glance back there should be wow over how great it looks, thank goodness my wife never looks back at me...
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It would make you wonder who test rides there bikes ??
I made an error in the pricing section, I used an incorrect title and listed the Rally Pack instead of the Heated Grips. The Tech pack of course has the rally pack included in it. I was indicating the price including the parts I mentioned, so with the bike, tech pack and heated grips it would be £13,101
Thanks for the movie and a good summary!
I would like to know your opinion on the vibration of this particular bike. What is your opinion? Any noticeable vibration on a handlebar, seat, or footpegs? Some say that even standard mirrors get blurry at particular speed. You also made a trip to Poland on 790... how was it? Have you encountered any fatigue, or hand numbs? Thanks a lot!
Not much vibration at all, nothing i wouldnt expect from any parallel twin. Nearly all bikes get blurry mirrors at some speed ;) but again never an issue that i noticed. The 790 didnt miss a beat on the trip (you can find the videos on my Tonys Tiny Tours playlist) no hand numbness at all
Nice review Tony. Potentially looking to change my duke 890 next year (after 8000 trouble free ish miles). Most of my riding is scratching around the B and C roads of the Northants/Cambs and wondered if the Adventure has a slightly more forgiving ride than the Duke? Or would I miss the handling and ballistic pull of Track mode? Or should the SMT be on the agenda? Thanks
Sounds like the SMT might be a good choice. I did consider ‘supermotoing’ my 790 but it would cost too much! The Adventure has got a slightly plusher ride, but it’s not as sharp handling wise for sure
I’ve got the 2022 890 adventure and loving it, only two things not keen on the screen which I changed to MRA sports much better and soon to change are the standard Avon tyres. I got the tec pack in the price of the bike + Bluetooth. If I bought a newer model I would buy the quick shift first. Thanks for great video
Oh and I’ve just fitted an SC project rally raid exhaust and it sounds amazing
nice honest review tony thanks
No problem 👍
Another great review Tony. Good to hear that KTM have made improvents that make the new 890 a more complete package out of the box. Apart from the bodywork, I've addressed all the issues on my 2019 790 adventure - MRA screen with spoiler, re-upholstered seat, Nitron shock and Andreani fork cartridges. Also don't do that many miles on it, as I have a few other bikes including a couple of classics that I use for local fun rides, so can't really justify upgrading. If I was in the market for a new middleweight adventure bike, this would be a top contender, but I'd like to wait and see what the new BMW GS900 is like, with the reduced weight that looks promising.
Thanks, yes the new 900 is an interesting looking bike
Have one since august, one thing i notest and remove, was the mirors, they send air direct to the helmet, if you put some low profile mirrors will help.
Thanks for the info, I put doubletake mirrors on my 790 Adventure and they were excellent
Hi Tony, nice review. Thank you. I do however remember when the 890 first came out you mentioned at the time that you didn’t feel the need to upgrade. Is it the 23 spec bike that’s changed your mind with it’s midlife refresh? I’m also one who sits on the Im OK with having all the bells and whistles then paying for the ones you actually want. I guess that stems back to starting out on 70/80’s bikes where options wasn’t a big thing back then.
Thanks Marcus, yes the changes made to this bike would definitely make the decision very easy.
I bought one this year & I LOVE this bike! Agile, nimble! I'm happy after Honda Africa twin dct 2021, which was a good road bike for me. It's good on roads and is very capable off-road. Actually I drove it on some local light enduro trails and had zero problems. I would never dare to do it on Africa Twin
Same here, which is why I’m still considering one at some point in the future.
Great review 👍🏻
Would you think the 890 would be a good alternative to my Africa twin 2017? I’m in the market for a lighter bike, but don’t want to go down in hp or performance in long distance touring with overtaking and so on.
I like to ride somehow fast and a little aggressive off road mostly gravel roads and TeT throughout Sweden but like longer distances too on road.
I have dct today but I’m grown up on MX so manual especially with quickshifter sounds nice to me 😊
Thanks, I think so, I do really like the 890 Adventure, it’s does a bit of everything really well
Great video, I'm happy to keep my 2020 790 however, I love it! Any chance I can get first dibs on your rebel x fairings please, if your selling of course?
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Have my 790 adventure R fully spect and lot of extras, give me 107 hp, love the machine, never had single little problem but the wide seat by tank area is killing my (so many times injured) body..... bet the new one has lots of smarter ways to make the machine even better, but also want to try something different, for now looking at Desert x or new upcoming 900 GS... nice review, keep up good job Tony!
Thanks, I think the new 900 GS looks pretty good, it'll be interesting to ride
Got the 22 version and it has been brilliant - reliable, good & punchy on road, great off road (for the terrain it's designed for - I'm no Chris Birch) - Triumph was great but dull, T7 top heavy, Africa Twin bigger & heavier, Aprillia dealer / par network not great (two weeks to order a standard part from Italy minimum), BMW 850 just not very good, Ducati too tall for me. Demo mode fine - buy what you want - cars are the same a golf gti essentially just has ECU tweaked by vw over similar engined models etc
Nice review! Soon done 19.000 kilometers with mine (identical to yours). Ordered mine with all software options quite as few hardware upgrades. Had very few issues with the bike. Blogged about all of it, plus likes/dislikes. There definitely are some dislikes, but despite that I think this model is, if not the best, then one of the best in the segment. Best of luck onwards with yours! :)
Thanks, although this is only a press bike, its not mine
Very good review I’d say… I was looking for a KTM but reliability is very much appreciated here in Arizona where the temps and distances are far greater than in the UK… I’d love me a go on a KTM especially the 1090 R but it was too tall for me. If KTM took into consideration us shortstacks it’d be selling more of these haha. Now the main question: would you buy this over the Norden non expedition model?? Both are KTMs one in the home kit the other in away colors.. Cheers from Arizona
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No issues with reliability on this bike, and its much lower than the 1090 R. Yes I think i would pick this over the Norden, its that little bit lower in the seat and I like the looks of the new model too
@@mancavemoto well thank you. I guess with KTMs is the luck of the draw as they say… you may pick one that’s plagued with bugs and one with a solid immune system sort of speak😄 Cheers
As with any manufacturer
I had a 2021 890 Adventure and it was great except for the heat and missed shifts. I removed the cat and wrapped the pipe so heat was no longer a problem. I never got a fix for missed shifts - did you experience any missed gear shifts on this 2023?
Thanks for the info. No problems with missed shifts, but I’m used to the quickshifter being a bit sensitive at times
Runs way too hot!
Running hot, and putting out heat are different things. The engine runs pretty cool, its the positioning of the cat that is the minor issue. Catalytic converters have to work at a high temperature, thats the nature of the beast.
Great video Tony.. visually a much improved bike I agree.. £12k still feels very expensive though.. couldn’t justify buying new.
Yep, i'm with you on that
Great vid
Thanks Terry
How are the ergonomics for tall riders (1.89 meters +)?
I'm 193 cm and have a 2023 890 Adventure S. It works really well for me but it is more comfortable with the seat in the higher position. The only real complaint there is that with the seat adjusted up, there is a gap between the seat and the bodywork that is odd, but not that big of a deal I suppose
Great informed video. I have the 890 and love it - but the new one looks a lot better! Ref the demo mode argument - people have got to understand that value is not just in things that they can touch and feel, but also in software and services. They cost money to develop and businesses need to charge for them. With this model you only pay for it if you want it!
Thanks and yes I think i'm with you on that one
Im about to sell my crf and im considering selling the tracer too and consolidating into a adv. Is this the one youd go for? Im around 175cm so the new tenere explore looks interesting but none of them wow me on the looks enough to really want one over the other. Lightweight and agility and engine character tends to win me over.
This has those last three things you mentioned, sounds like it could be a good choice
@@mancavemoto yeah. Bloody cost of things though. The KTM would probably mean pcp which means I'd lose the deposit. What are your thoughts on the base AT1100 ( or even 1000 ) compared to this and the T7? Most recent hondas that I've ridden have left me very 'meh' for want of a better word.
what jacket and size are you wearing?
Which one?
@@mancavemoto the silver/ grey one
@@francescamaecruz8860 that’s a 2XL, it’s the Territory jacket from their Dirt series
KTM made amazing motorcycles this years, 1190, 1290, 790 and now 890. But we, ktm thrue riders, still wait for the 990.
Until then, your question is still valid. After, nobody will care about any question.
If they will be able to make a 990 under 200 kg, with 120-130 ish.. hp, and similar lines, regarding of midgets protection ideas, it will be amazing.
Meanwhyle, the Desert x is the closest one to the delicios 990 with almost similar specs. Good for the italians 👏👏👏
What are the rumors about the 990? is it coming out anytime soon, or is it just your dream/hope?
I don’t think a 990 will
Be too far away given the new Duke….
@@humancoin-proofofuniqueness just my dreams, i wait for this ktm leadership to grow up 😉
@@mancavemoto let's hope so...
The 890 and Desert X have extremely similar specs with the 890 being even lighter on dry weight even, so what are you on about? Don't get me wrong a 990 could well work out, but then the Desert X has the same failings.
It looks much better now……big question this, or the Norden901 ? I love the overall looks of the 901 more
Thats going to be the decision maker for a lot of people. I'd take the KTM as its a little lower and thus more manageable for me
Modes which already exist on the bike which you've paid for should be included (don't kid yourself that you haven't, of course you have, just like you've already paid for your BMWs heated seats that you then haev to subscribe to).
I do like the changes KTM made to the 23' models over my 22'. My bike has been wonderful so far, I can't fault much except that condensation issue and my screen went totally black but that happened early on and it came back up when I turned the bike off to fuel and then started it up... so it didn't leave me stranded. (Not like the Pan America I had) I reported it on my next service, they looked at it. I think they did a flash and it hasn't happened since.
The bike is a mile muncher considering the compact size. Yeah, the Pan Am and the 2018 1290 SA-R that I had will gobble up the road miles a bit better but then your stuck with a huge bike and the issues associated with that.
Like you I dropped my 890 in the mud once and it was a bear to pick up, mainly because I couldn't get my footing in the snotty mud. Something to think about if a person rides off-road solo like I do 95% of the time. So, I bought a Husky 501 for that kind of thing.
The purchasing of the Tech Pack. I just bit the bullet. I don't use the Rally mode often but when I hit those roads/trails it's amazing. If I hadn't purchased it, then I'd have been kicking myself when I was in more technical terrain. The cruise control is also worth the price I paid for the entire package.
So I'm really happy with the bike, it's the most fun I've had on a motorcycle since I was a kid. But, the whole reliability issue worries me and after my year and a half with the Pan Am I'm very un-trusting of the tech. Sometimes I think about trading it off on a T-7 though I know the Tenere won't perform on the road like the 890. So I may just keep the 890 and keep my fingers crossed. I put 11,000 miles on the 890 last year, maybe I got lucky and I shouldn't throw away that kind of luck.
Interesting thanks for the info. I did notice that when i took this offroad, compared to other adventure bikes I felt more comfortable 'throwing this around a bit'. I was much happier getting the back end out. I think definitely my choice in the middle weight adventure market. My 790 adventure had done over 25k miles before I sold it, and the only issue I ever had was that little bit of condensation in the TFT display. I don't think they have anywhere near as much trouble as the 'experts' in the online forums suggest. I'm not saying they are perfect, but perhaps reliability problems are overblown?
@@mancavemoto I do think some of the issues are from people either modifying the bike themselves or neglecting some part of the bike, like the air filters or oil changes.
I think it's time for a back tp back comparison with this and the new BMW F900GS???
Sounds like a good idea
I’m pretty sure the tech pack includes the rally pack in which case the fully loaded bike is £12,858 not £13,083.
Yes it does, that was an error on my part, I used the wrong title and listed the Rally Pack instead of the Heated Grips. I was getting the bike to the price of the parts I mentioned in the build up, which would be £13,101. Thanks for pointing that out, much appreciated
@@mancavemoto No problem. Regarding the "GS money" point (I know you were arguing against it), a new GS with the Enduro Pro mode (the equivalent to Rally mode) and heated grips as standard was £17k from memory.
Engine heat seems to be a big issue ??
Its more from the cat and its placement rather than the engine itself
@@mancavemoto Do people , I have heard of people removing the cat no change ??
My local KTM dealers technician didnt recommend removing the cat, but lots of people have done it with seemingly no ill effects
I love the looks, it's the reliability issues that worries me
I owned a 2019 790 adventure and had no problems in over 25,000 mile of riding….
@@mancavemoto did you have another one after that 790?
No, I’ve only just sold it as I have an Africa Twin on long term loan
Very fair review.
Hits the sweet spot between 500cc and 800cc.
Looks fabulous.
I don't know anyone who has bought either a 790 or 890, but an acquaintance has a 1290, and loves it. No issues with it.
My question would be is the 890 wirth the extra dosh over the 790?
Same great looks, and £9999, if I remember correctly.?
I do like it.
Ride safe and happy travels 👍
That’s a good question. I prefer the 890 engine for the way I ride and the adjustable suspension is worth some extra cost, but there’s not a lot between them.
What waterproof rain gear do you use?
Is it worth getting Scott at £90ish or can you get away with Oxford at £25ish
Hi Beverley, I guess it depends on how much rain riding you do. The overtrousers I’m wearing in this video are the Rev’it Acid 3. They are around £30 to buy and are excellent!
@@mancavemoto have you got the matching rain jacket?
Any tips for not getting a wet crotch
I don’t have the matching jacket as the one I’m wearing is already waterproof. Stand up ;) Thats the biggest problem, as you know sitting on a wet seat, particularly in heavy rain when the water is pooling is when most waterproof membrances eventually end up not being able to cope over time.
Thanks. Waiting for some wag to suggest only riding in good weather!!!
Enjoy your channel and appreciate that you have the courtesy of replying.
All the best
No problem, thanks Beverley
Not sure what it is about KTM, but they just don't rock my boat. Each for their own.
Fair enough
Prefer your honest reviews to how the bike feels to you and the general costing rather than the bias of the Misogynist Flyer,,, Can you do a long term review on the XT Garmin as theres the new version out ,,
I’m looking at doing a long term review of the Garmin including a comparison to the New XT2
@mancavemoto Thanks,rumours are it's not that good ,but can't wait for your report 😀
Do you not worry that the 890 has issues such as cold start, clutch and other nonsense issues?
No, not at all. I own a 2019 790 adventure myself which has now covered 25,000 miles. I’ve never had any of these problems, the only issue I’ve had is a small amount of condensation fogging on the edges of the TFT display. You have to take a lot of reports of these issues with a pinch of salt I think. I’m not suggesting that they don’t exist, but I’ve seen examples of people quoting them on forums and online discussions who have never ridden a KTM, let alone owned one. I would suggest that modern KTM’s have no more problems than any other brand, but they have a reputation that follows them and is hard to shake off?
@@mancavemoto Fair enough. I come from the BMW world and I too have had zero issues with 100,000 miles around the world. But I love the size/weight of the KTM 890. Please keep this thread open -- and if you do get into the crap with cold starts and clutch issues -- please drop me a note. I would appreciate that. I generally think where there is smoke there is fire -- but I hope not -- exceptions to every rule.
These are good and fair comments. I've just sold my 2021 F850 GSA in favor of a 2023 890 Adventure S. So far I have not regretted it for a minute. It is lighter and overall very comfortable and easy to ride. I will also say that I had belonged to several GSA forums and they are also full of complaints about reliability and frustrating problems so I do think you have to take it all with a pinch of salt. I just had my 600 mile service and so far very happy! Very informative video, thanks for posting!
KTMs are very reliable. I have had two, a 950 Adventure [20,000 miles]: no issues, and a 390 Duke Mk2 {25,000 km]: no issues. My 390 is soon going on the market in northern Thailand. It is perfect.
I like the look of the 790 better than the new 890. I don't like the side panels much. NJ
Yes I think its an old trope that keeps getting rolled out, usually by people who have never owned or ridden a KTM
Subscription based rider modes = nope.
Its a one off payment, not a subscription, for additional features. The bike does have various rider modes, but I think I know what youre getting at
@@mancavemoto yea, demo mode then...
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When ( if ) you sell it, does it carry over to the new owner? or is something you have to have an account with KTM for?
Once its on it on, the functions stay on the bike permanantly. No account with KTM.
Good vlog as always Tony. My biggest gripe is if it is fitted on the bike it should be working as you have paid for those items already. and should not have to pay extra to activate it. i can understand the try as you buy, but you pay enough for the bike as it is and then with all the extras and then all the luggage you have added another £2-£3k on the bike. i suppose as long as you factor that in you won't get any surprises.
Yep I get that, I think this idea hasnt really done KTM any favours from marketing perspective
They only fit is as it's cheaper from a production pov. I understand it's a new strategy and feels 'off' but it in no way means you've already paid for it.