SBF's Damage to ICP Isn't Repaired
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- čas přidán 13. 06. 2024
- Three years ago, Sam Bankman Fried has launched a smear campaign against Internet Computer. This smear campaign included a pump and dump that spiraled the price of ICP out of control and caused many investors to lose a fortune. Three years later, the damage is done, but the branding of ICP hasn't been repaired. In this episode, I share with you the perspective of an outsider to the community and ask for constructive suggestions to solve this issue. As always, I hope you enjoy!
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ICP dosnt need to rebrand. If Solana came back from their FTX crash, so can Internet Computer. Solanas crash was kind of deserved. Internet Computers crash wasn't deserved. Because it manipulated in a malicious way because a few millionaires and a billionaire was scared of it threatening their special interest in their own investments. Their smear tactics is similar to the smear tactics used in politics. Soon as the public starts to realize it more and understand, then there will be a switch where you will see more people coming in. That may take time but it will happen.
Solana has the same gangsters behind as FTX .. block one, bitfinex.. tether… cryptocabal
@@BuenavistaVillage I have a feeling there are some gangsters behind ICP too. The fact that ICP has gotten chummy chummy with WEF says something too lol.
We need to hold it and we must be patient, big investors will see how good ICP is
Quality always prevail.
I like that answer
Let them think it's a scam coin. So we can keep DCA'ing at cheap prices. ICP is ahead of every crypto right now. At some point when big companies switch over to ICP and whale money enters people will have to accept ICP as a legit project. BTC was also considered a scam by a big majority untill recently. (Still is for a minority). I see it as an opportunity.
Great remark... well said!
😂😂😂 rugpull sorry
Now let‘s see it as it is: Crypto Reddit is full of retail and they sure talk a lot about what CEO‘s of major operations should do to „save themselves“. It is all humbug. First, those redditors likely never used ICP to begin with, that said, how could they say a rebrand would help the network more, would they THEN use it and the dapps on it? Makes no sense. Big money is indeed eyeing ICP, they dont care about some major manipulated pump, they care about the tech and we as devs and users showcase it to them. Davos, Emirates, Asia, everywhere Dominic and ICP was seen. There is no need for a rebrand, maybe a public invitation to the network, but even more importantly, a substantial will to check out ICP‘s capabilities before talking about some rebrand. It seems so childish demanding a total restart imo.
While you are certainly right... your approach is too stern and lacks compromise. You have to baby people a little bit, that's life
@@cxc blame the tism
I think he’s right about the tarnished reputation but I don’t think rebranding is required. A combination of time and education and continuing to grow the ecosystem will lead to an undeniable platform in my opinion.
all the more so as the person whose reputation is now permanently tarnished is SBF himself, and anything that may have come out of his mouth, true or false, is now questionable.
Nothing has changed with ICP, they didn't do the damage. This is not new management rebranding something they didn't do. When an innocent man is wrongly convicted and later discovered he was innocent and released. Does he change his name?
@@thorazine0076 no but his reputation would still tarnished, which is why that hypothetical person would probably sue for defamation once his innocence is proven (at least in the US). With consistently good character someone can transcend a falsely tarnished reputation, which is the point I was trying to make with ICP
@@bryank1880 ah' my bad, agree with u. updated my comment.
I think time will tell… also the ICP hubs are a great way to cut through the bullshit. And I also believe when ICP starts to stay uptrend, that’s when the masses will take a look.
Stop this rug pull scam
ICP ❤❤❤ very true indeed
I started buying ICP just cuz the name was funny.... then I started researching it, and I liked it even more. The name is why I bought it!! LOL. I am crazy I guess.
Its that old saying, trust is easy to break but hard to build. Even though that breakage of trust was unjustified, we must carry on building up the trust piece by piece.
Keep the name ❤
Icp doesn't need anything they should just keep building we don't need rebranding tech will speak for itself
That's a fair perspective
I like the name and project as it is, i think we should do more marketing for the project,maybe there are more people like me who are willing to do it for free and only need dfinity's information on what we say and how we do it
Changing the name is too risky...Time will either make people forget and ICP will recover, or ICP will organically go to "zero". Let the market decide the fate of ICP.
Why didn't ICP/Dfinity sue SBF for damages? 🎉
ICP's branding is fine, the problem with crytpo is it is full of people who have never invested before who thinks game changing technology repays overnight. ICP is quality its time will come. As for me I have conviciton over the tech and I am pouring in every penny.
We should get SBF to admit exactly what he did to ICP and why he did it.
ICP just needs more Marketing! & exposure,,, They have everything else!❤ 8yg🐬🦈👍💯😎
Exactly no need to change the name at all. ICP is a diamond. It currently looks like it’s going through the diamond making stages. Extreme heat, extreme pressure, cleaning, sorting, cutting, and polishing and then selling. It takes time for a diamond to be made from beginning to end same as it takes for a ugly ducking yo become a swan. The stages and processes are a must
That was quite deep, that's why I love to see your comments
@@cxc I be thinking about this stuff man lol
@@richdreamzbeats998 😂😂
I think dfinity is taking the correct approach tackling this issue with the ck integrations, eventually we will have all blockchains integrated expanding the use cases of those integrated blockchains, creating value albeit slowly. But ultimately, we need institutional or government adoption a real word example of how the IC is helping reduce IT cost/complexities to bring in the big institutional money.
Keep the brand
You were correct before when you said mainstream adoption will happen when people use icp with their favorite apps.
ICP doesn't need to be rebranded. We are going through the Adidas timeline.
A streaming platform and a web browser need to be implemented on icp
I get the streaming platform but why a browser?
@@cxc browser could hold news feeds and lcp links and help introduce icp globally
@@cxc native browser may better optimise and support ICP dapps that can be added as extensions. While a dapp that is Chrome compatible as an extension is nice for transition, having one native to the protocol could provide better performance, analytics, and onchain stats
@@mikhail8295 Great point, I've been updated
What SBF do was too bad, but sometimes bad things turn to be good in a complex way, like that's become the reason many regular people get to buy and invest in ICP at an affordable price now.
To me it doesn't need any rebranding and the organic growth the block chain is having now is enough to make it stronger 💪🏿💪🏿 in the future
since "on line is the future" and is the only structure that have that 💯%
Also to me the way it's growing gradually will make it more for the PUBLIC since many and the smart money are not in yet as they can monopolise it earlier but the action of SBF scare many of them away unknowingly.
And before they know it many of the public most have been in the GOVERNANCE NNS.
Then it will be the real public internet
8yearsGANG. GANG GANG...
I have also heard same things. Many people got burned on ICP when SBF did his pump+dump. A name change may help but it would also take some time to build recognition. I guess that is a decision for Dfinity.
its good to repair it for what it is - changing names and rebranding will not yield anything. keeping the name and work on it will make people see what ICP truly is. Re-branding won't help on anything.
For a twist, we have to thank SBF for the so called manipulation and collapse. . Otherwise we’d all have to contemplate paying much higher prices?
Maybe a rebrand to a different name but keep the logo.
I think a simple switch to rebranding into itself; “Dfinity” instead of “Internet computer & “ICP”; it just makes sense. Ticker symbol: DINITY. It sounds already very revolutionary. There’d be to me, nothing else or worthy to change to.
ICP is ultimately a multi-signature with only 13 nodes (except for individual subnets).
The security is not enough to withstand large transactions. Controlling 5 nodes can hijack the entire subnet, and thus pollute the entire mainnet.
dominic_w's self-righteous technology is built on sand.
PS. This wasn’t my comment, but it got my interest
Burning the name and rebranding it won’t change anything in my opinion, because the research team and the founder will still be dfinity and Dominic Williams respectively. To me, we just have to evangelize more, get people to understand the technical superiority of icp to other blockchains because not many people knows how far ahead the ICP blockchain is compared to other blockchains. And I believe when we do this, we’ll gain adoption massively.
I’m all in on icp no matter what happens, I staked a few thousand dollars worth of ICP, that’s my life saving. If ICP goes to zero then I’m going down with it, and I’ll have no regrets. I’ll be proud I made the right choice but was let down by the fraudulent people at the helm of the crypto market.
Brand doesn't matter the tech will speak for itself
Question it’s been 3 days since I’ve gotten any staking rewards I’ve just added a lot of icp so I’m thinking it’s probably that the network has posted that it’s been 3 years so I just want to see if it’s just me or if there’s a update that is causing this
I noticed too the daily rewards stopped.
You'll get the rewards. If no voting proposals are finalized, you don't get rewards on that day but they roll over. The rewards are there but not "there"
we have to keep telling the story of SBF Shenanigans
Thr NNS Dapp hasn't been working for me today. Cand vote or do anything..
Anyone else??
Outages happen guys, engineers will get it back up don't worry
You have an amazing voice
The fruits of the networks labor will speak for itself once the ignorant bamboozled have their "ICP awakening". Often times when there are huge breakthroughs, at first people are blind and call all types of absurdities. Dfinity and ICP community are one of the most resilient and perseverant groups of people I know. Been following Dfnity since 2018. Seen the ups and downs. Seen the arguments to change the branding, change voting structure, change marketing etc. to escape the abysmal trap of doubt and doom. IMO at this point it is null to change any of the 'externals'. The effort for the takedown never succeeded. ICP is better than ever. It is the 'internals' that define the true worth of something. For them to have reached this point in development is a testament that they have beat the odds and ICP is in its own league. The inflection point will happen where people will be caught eating their own ignorance. Only two options here. 1 we die or 2 we rise to parabolic highs.
Icp took meta to court over the symbol so a rebrand is not necessary. The brand and icon is precious. I see btc migrating to icp (and other blockchains) and other big events. We are early to icp like at btc in 2010 and should just chill and buy more and the recent dip.❤ is a gift. I want to get to 1k icp and be a whale in 8-10 years. Remember the project is already what 3-4 years old so in comparison this is 2013 on btc.
What he said is true, but his ideal solution idea is just the way the "WEAK" approach challenges.
ICP will go down well in history for surviving all the (alleged) attacks from FTX and SBF. It will come clean, eventually.
Quick question: Does people change their name just because they were blackmailed or their image got tarnished?
Even if there is a rebrand, the all-time chart will still show the same. Not sure anything can be done, hope that time and adoption will heal that wound.
Rebranding isn’t necessary. Marketing and awareness will do it.
Yes but please suggest tactics
IMO improve the chains AI capability and push spend heavy on marketing and corporate adoption.
@@user-xy6mk3uy7j No I like Dominic's approach. Let the chips fall where they may
It was a bump on the road for sure, not to mention launching literwlly at the start of of bear market. But rebranding? Wtf. Because somebody attacked you.
Just because some can't over the past doesn't mean the majority should rebrand. There will always be haters...
Icp needs a financial institution to back them, Solana has visa backing then
ICP has a bad culture of not calling poop, poop. There's a lot of nepotism, to many projects that are simply clones of existing apps - but rather than say that, its hyped up. If ICP champions change, uniqueness, and novelty then it will stand out. It's easy to see the history, and then see whats being built and not see the true value because of that. Solana recovered because people are building things like the Star Atlas game, and they literally opened up a retail shop in Hudson yards NYC for marketing and further NFT distribution. Meanwhile, on ICP... they are hyping projects that aren't any different from what already exists. I want ICP to succeed because the tech is really good, but I think at this point no chain will rule them all, and builders will have to be multichain instead of expecting everything from one brand.
Unfortunately the reddit poster is correct. But does this group of retail investors at this point really matter in the long term?
Some icp ico need to tell sbfs to fix it in interview. He is arrested for crime.
ICP has issues, but the branding is not one. Bitcoin was labeled a scam for a decade by the most powerful governments, and it overcame the FUD. Rebranding does not make the tech any better, and there is no guarantee that ICP won't be manipulated again. It simply needs to fight and overcome.
Same thing with xrp. Icp and xrp will be king by 2030
Let the tech and devs speak for themselves. SBF and syndicate will win if ICP rebrands. I suspect countries testing and building on ICP wont give two forks about previous perception, just network output and capabilities. The scam narrative is only absorbed and fermented by the niche setting retail community.
52 is coming by october
Dirty...
Explain.. Is he a shill ?
No idea SBF did anything to ICP
icp already 9$!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!🤣 i buy it when 12$...........im dieing....😭
Me too dude fk
Best solution is not to pay attention and walk icp way
Make a sam jailman fried or a sam bankman fraud or a scam bankman fried or a scam jailman fraud meme coin on icp
Absolute hogwash. ICP is strong, stop looking at price as the indicator. Suggesting a re brand is exactly why they’re not a successful CEO of a large corporation. This internet “kid” is talking like a noob and a re brand is not a solution to all things. In this situation such an action would have the opposite effect. You have to be confident that all those that call it a scam will be late to the party and all those that see will be the gainers. All
Will come very soon, opinions are swayed by progress eventually and the team are not stopping. Investors and devs have a very different time horizon and what we see and hear on the retail side is absolute garbage and means nothing. If you do t like it, sell to me.. I cannot believe we have this amazing opportunity to buy again cheap. Just loaded up another 5k ICP. ICP season is near..
Enough is Enough.. Stop blaming SBF😠😠😠😠
NO... Bitcoin is a horrible name, and it always had and still have a bad reputation, who cares. You can't escape the fact that this is a real project.
Rebranding. The name sounds old and outdated