Babylon's Fall is Depressingly Bad
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- čas přidán 27. 06. 2024
- This demo is like watching a childhood hero take up drinking. I am concerned for Platinum Games.
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Chapters:
00:00 - Introduction
02:01 - Square Enix ID is Bad
03:22 - Game Starts
05:18 - Platinum Gameplay?
08:12 - I Hate The Tavern Music
09:12 - The Real Game Starts
12:18 - I HATE The Tavern Music!
12:53 - Time For Co-Op, Baby!
14:28 - Unrewarding Grind
15:16 - Boss Mission Time
16:25 - He's From The Trailer!
17:46 - Finishing The Fight
19:23 - Conclusions
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i miss the days of bayonetta and metal gear rising revengeance
#BabylonsFall #BabylonsFallGame #BabylonsFallReview #BabylonsFallPS5 #PowerPak - Hry
I was so disappointed I made this in two days. I put off playing Elden Ring out of some maddening need to talk about this game.
More videos to come.
baby's loins fail
The fact they are charging 59.99 is fkn hilarious
Square Enix charged that for freaking Balan Wonderworld too. What a terrible publisher.
Here comes another flop like D&D Dark Alliance, and Godfall lolz
70 euros in Eu. Normal new games costs 60 as well usual... somehow this game is even more expensive in eu
They should give money to you to even play this game
And to think i just paid 22 $ for RDR 2 in spring sale sale .
The game looks like a launch PS3 action RPG that 20 years later a video by a small up-and-coming channel would pop up in your recommendations calling it "underrated"
"If at first you don't succeed, try, try, again."
A motto Square REALLY needs to chuck in the bin when it comes to "Live Service" games.
All the corpos have to do is chuck as many darts until they hit a bull's eye. That's the nature of their business model. Only takes one big hit to make vast profit for shareholders, artistic merit be damned
Ohh you were the Eldin Ring guy I saw in town! haha awesome!
The real tragedy is that this took Platinum 4 years to make
I mean the original idea was scrapped and forced into this that sounds like a normal amount of time even for something pretty copy paste.
Completely rebuilding your game to have it butchered into a live service abomination takes a lot of dev time.
brooo
3.5 years to make a solid single-player game + half a year to convert it into freemium mmo (except sold at full price)
No wonder why bayonetta 3 isn't out yet
An oil-painting themed videogame sure sounds like a great idea. But it's not something you suddenly decide to do mid-development. Take a look at Spiderman into the Spiderverse, their art creators spent over a year just trying to get the art style right and THEN they proceeded to make the film. That should've been the case with Babylon's Fall.
Really huge dissapointment from Platinum Games.
It does not. Its blurry for action game
@@olenhol2przez4 Its that way because they changed the style very late and half assed it.
"An oil-painting themed videogame sure sounds like a great idea" ... Why? How?
There's no such thing as an oil painting themed videogame. There's such thing as videogames with an oil painting art style. Style is the word you meant to say, not theme. Theme doesn't make sense in this context.
@@jonathanfavouriteskyward sword has this art style
What hurts me is that with PlatinumGames wanting to start making their own live service games to help earn profit for their own projects, people will look at Babylon's Fall as an indicative of how those games will turn out. And I know without a publisher to mess with them, PG can do so much better.
I don't know abou that. I think making a really good LS game that's worth spending time and money on is harder than one might expect. What they should do, if they're wanting to do that themselves, is look to the devs behind games that are both successful and well respected. I'm thinking stuff like Warframe and Path of Exile.
It's safe to say this probably led to the fall out PG had with Cygames since around the same period, since Cygames ended up deciding to do the game in house instead
Fuck man. This is just sad for PG. Remember their motto?
"Platinum never loses its luster".
Shame this industry is so rotten nowadays.
pretty sure square enix was the cause of this
if i remember it kinda went toe to toe with astral chain in terms of development
because of one bad game? i blame square enix. Astral Chain is one of their best game for me imo
@@emperornero8136 From what I've seen people talking about the company, this may have to do with Platinum's own execs. Platinum has great games but has very little profit, and then they look at FFXIV.....
@@maramba32 Wait, you think this is Platinum's only bad game?
I was summoned by Chewie and Fuckface and tbh your content is highly underrated, I hope you blow up sometime soon. You're engaging, funny and highly articulate.
Also the graphics remind me of hit indie jank Alt-F4 except worse in every way because one was a funnie rage game made by a single dev and the other had Squeenix money behind it
As a fellow summoned beast of Chewie and Fuckface, I concur. This is some quality content.
As not one of that crazy cool sounding ilk, I also concur. This is the third video in a row, 👍 Solid ass content my guy.
@@ThatDamnedTurk if you’d like to be part of the cult I’m referring to Castle Super Beast podcast with hosts Woolie and Pat. They’ve been two of my favourite internet video game men for over a decade now
@@WaaveLvl0 I'll definitely check em out.
Knowing that pg made MGR revengeance, you see the similarities between it and the old trailer. The part where your character steals some sort of essence out of an enemy is very reminiscent of Raiden stealing electrolytes. Guess that's what they were going for before investors went "no we want live action garbage NOW"
I would've preferred a fantasy Rising over this
making a square enix account was the hardest thing about starting FFXIV like 6 years ago so i'm glad to see they haven't improved that process at all.
Ah good ol Japanese mocap. The same running/walking/cheering/falling over animations for NPCs they've been using longer than some people on youtube have been alive.
4:15 "Paintbrush Filter"
You know, they solved this problem with the first Valkyria Chronicles. I don't know how anyone could have a problem with this, considering they also got it to work with the PSP games.
Dishonored 1 had a soft, almost painterly look to its textures, and that looked waaaaaaaaaay better than Babylon's Fall. And it was a 2012 game.
@@marcellosilva9286 that ran on a 6 year old hardware.
Always good to see XIV's money being used for such smash hits
XIV's animations as well.
XIV's armor as well.
20:11 there I am 8 months ago disappointed beyond belief . Funny enough that money I saved. I spent it paying my excess taxes and that was more fun than playing Babylons fall.
It's so annoying how heavy-handed SE seems to be in this Platinum game. I imagine this was made by interns with SE management breathing on their necks.
Somehow directed by the same guy as Metal Gear Rising
Honestly it feels like what we got on that first gameplay trailer is Platinum's good ass work that probably got destroyed by SE management because of all the hype it was building with SE being greedy. I really hope this doesn't happen again with that Granblue game they also helped making with their "contract ending" years before it is even released. I'd hate to see Platinum losing their "touch" because of the publishers always trying to change stuff.
@@jamesmcgeachie He was also a main programmer on Bayonetta 1.
now imagine if every game dev company had free will to do what they please with their games, we would have so many gems... but no, publishers and investors have to put their noses to make themselves feel useful and milk the community
Ok, this is bothering me. I know it's easy to dunk on Square Enix for their shitty attempts at live service but Babylon's Fall becoming the shit it is now is completely Platinum's fault. Recently they had a change in CEO and this guy is quoted in saying they want to focus on creating games that would "last forever" and that this was the "future of the industry", not "one off" games like Bayonetta. So no, I'm sorry, Square Enix has done and is still doing some shitty stuff, but this is Platinum's mess, not their's.
When you first described the multiplayer scaling (or lack thereof), I thought there game was changing nothing for solo players, but after seeing you survive that giant attack from the boss, I think Platinum decided the only thing to scale was enemy damage, but not HP, so whilst the enemies have 4x the HP that they should for a solo player, they are constantly only doing 25% damage, which is why you end up in this boring slog situation
The 2019 trailer looked pretty good and it seemed like we were in for a decent game. The art style stood out now it looks like a generic mobile game with a d-tier story.
After playing the demo I think the game has a solid combat system but would have been better off as a single player campaign. However Square Enix seems to have an obsession with GAAS lately. I don't understand publishers prefer to make a mediocre live service game that will probably be dead in six months instead of a solid single player campaign with the option of paid dlc.
It's gambling addiction on an instititional scale. In their minds, they can't NOT do it, because successful live services make so much money. No matter how many mistakes this produces, or what this does to the developers, if they get just ONE hit, it'll pay for all the rest. It's not sensible and it's not healthy, but they're going to keep doing it, because third time's...I mean fourth...I mean fifth time's the charm!
@@falguard given how much FF14 makes for them, they can afford to keep making these mistakes hoping for that big cash cow (cause I guess having the most popular MMO in the world isn't enough)
Can we talk about the fact that they made that cutscene and made it a very important point to show that floating lady’s feet.
I noticed that as well. I've never seen a cutscene like that before. I guess someone high up at the studio has certain interests. It might explain why the rest of the game is trash as well. XP
Damn. I was super hype for this. This is just sad. Made worse by Platinum's recent fishing for someone to buy them. Which could be cool and allow them to get funding for some passion projects and stuff, but with this being the sort of products they are releasing atm, I have my doubts of someone thinking that would be a good idea. What happened Platinum.
Thanks for the good vid.
Platinum was always hit or miss more miss actually
@@pcgameshardware867 but when they nailed it, it's actually really decent
Just play Lost Ark
@@pcgameshardware867 They only had like, 3 misses? Star Fox Zero, Korra, and uhh Transformers? Which was decent but trimmed down
@@SvarogAristaeusAllen TMNT is the only real miss. Korra was ok and Transformers was one of thier better games.
"FF14 is pretty cool I guess, but I wish there was an action combat game for me to get into instead."
- Me, apparently in close proximity to a monkey's paw.
That thing about moving on from Automata is so fucking true. Hopefully it doesn't ruin platinum cause that game had a much simpler gameplay compared to the previous ones. Without Taro the style is fully souless, no interesting enemies nor world, nor ways of the game interacting with the player. Just a grind fest
The tavern music sounds like incidental SpongeBob music. I can just picture a scene at the Krusty Krab when it’s playing.
Update: its been shelved
They saw Destiny (2) and thought to themselves: "Hey, let's do that, except none of the good parts!"
(not that there were any in destiny 2)
Yeah, I was pretty disappointed with the demo too. I don't want to see Platnum die because I really loved Metal Gear Rising and Bayonetta, but this already is looking like a flop. It's a brand new demo for everyone to try and I still had difficulty finding 4 people to queue with to take on the first actual boss, Zenon. Also, his MMO insta-down explosion attack which requires 4 people to cooperate to destroy is unfair considering there's no way to communicate with your party members.
The art style and general aesthetic actually reminded me Greedfall (a AA single player RPG set on a fantasy island with a plague afffecting the population, what a coincidence.)
The worst part is that the melee combat feels super unsatisfying, which is not something you want to see from a PLATNUM game of all things. When I spent more time using bows instead of swords and hammers, that's a problem.
The live service aspects like the Battlepass and paid currency is an even further slap in the face. You can either pay with cash or with your precious time, and with combat this bland, I think my time is better spent with another game. On one hand, Platnum is on verge of bankruptcy so I can see why they went this path. On the other hand, this is destroying consumer goodwill while not being likely to bring in the massive profit they were expecting.
Honestly, I would be down for a co-op dungeon crawler like the vaporware Deep Down, but this just isn't it.
Platinum is nowhere near bankruptcy, they got a huge investment from Tencent and are working on their own self-published games.
Babylon's Fall was just contractual work by their D-Team for Square Enix.
It's fully funded, published and owned by Square Enix, Platinum had no say on whether this would be a single player experience or a live service thing.
This game completely flopping is not going to have the effect on Platinum you think, they already got paid by Square.
@@Akira-si2ww Babylon's Fall falling(haha) definetely not what both PG and Square Enix wanted, and no doubt will affect the company. If that's was not the case how can they been on the bankruptsy line in 2017 if they always been paid to made games for other companies? In fact i think, that you being optimistic for no reason since:
- W101 Remastered sales judging by the number of reviews extremely low, so even PG hardcore fans didn't buy it. No numbers on sales at all which a a bad sign.
- No one cares about Sol Cresta, especially with ridiculous pricing like this (50$)
- Bayo 3 will not sell a millions, especially knowing that Bayo 2 still can't hit 1m. copies on Switch and that's including Wii U numbers, on the platform with 103m. user base.
- They made huge investment into expanding numbers of workers and opening Tokyo office, but yet to produce something heavily profitable like Nier:Automata was (6m. copies sold) and the bills needs to be paid. Babylon's Fall flopping certaintly doesn't help.
- Project GG is releasing god know's when, and like the most Hideki Kamiya games will sell poorly.
There's no confirmation about D-team, especially knowing that the director Kenjii Saito was a main Programmer of Bayo 1 and on of the directors of MGR. Also Hiroshi Yamaguchi the Okami compositor on the soundtrack. I seriously doubt that "D-Team" were paid lower just because. Yeah, they had Tencent money for now, but how long did they keep company afloat, and what do they ask later for this gift, that is a question.
@@Akira-si2ww
Platinum games has been corrupted, just like all the rest. they are a garbage company now.
This is gold happy I found this channel!
I didn't think I'd have a visceral reaction in my gut, yet here we are.
Nicely done on the video. Well-paced and gives the most important details.
Woolie and Pat from CSB sent me! Great vid man, hope to hear more
and here i thought it was only dragon age suffering the curse of "single player game focused on story turns into online multi player". too bad only dragon age 4 apparently managed to escape this fate ç-ç
Live service: exists
Square enix: *While eating rocks* why is my games failing?
Nice video, i like your style a lot. Cheers
OUTRIDERS WAS NOT BILLED AS A LIVE SERVICE GAME. Just a complete game which it was. And they gave extra content for free, and the devlopers said that they wouldn't be making DLC.
The devs never said that about dlc. They said that depending on how the game did and player reception would dictate whether additional content would be added or not. Which is why there is an expansion coming out because despite a rough start Outriders was actually considered a success.
@@MrJUSTchr1s No, they said that the game is full and a complete pacage, there wouldn't be DLC, they then gave free DLC. They immediately announced a sequal. because the launch was good.
@@TheGoreforce It's not a sequel its an expansion to the original game.
I got to that SE account login screen, saw that job application they require for a user name, then immediately deleted the demo.
Big reception on this video... You might have to cover more of babylong fall
I cant wait for Matt's Wha Happun
Absolutely loved this video, you had me laughing until my sides literally hurt. I think I'm going to get the game now xD
I can only pray that Bayonetta 3 is good enough to save Platinum from the past few years of either mediocrity or ...well nothing, it's been this and Astral Chain for the past 3 years now.
I had that exact same thought about the title card drop. The a title card drop should be at or after an epic moment that has you like “okay NOW we’re in!” But this was like “eh yeah… get off the boat, see a bunch of boring nothingness… Title.” The title drop should’ve been RIGHT after the Gideon coffin kills those people, not BEFORE because that’s the moment where you find out shit is fucked up. But then they missed the mark even MORE cuz there’s a SECOND title card shortly after that’s also weirdly timed? I knew the game would disappoint me from there… just bad attention to detail and direction.
Good vid. Hope you get the subscriber count you deserve.
I had my impressions that this was bad, but I didn't realize it was THAT bad. Great review
Personally like Outsiders, it's fun. Babylon's fall not so much
With how this game ultimately turned out, "Platinum's Fall" may have been a more appropriate for it. Though I have a feeling that most of the blame probably lies at Squareenix here.
"It is made by Platinum Games."
Me: Oh?
"and published by Square Enix"
Me: Oh...
I actually cannot believe they're charging £10 more than Elden Ring for this on Steam.
This is quite didn't from your usual content. I like it.
This is the first time I've seen someone else mentioned Metal Gear Online 2 in a video like this. That game was worth dealing with the account shenanigans because it was awesome, but this game? oh boy man what the fuck happened
After you named your character I instantly subbed
Buy Wonderful 101 remastered y'all, its a platinum masterpiece that deserves more
Outriders was never supposed to be live service, and it didn't fail. It was a fun game that had an end, much like the Borderlands games, but with slightly less content. They have a planned DLC, and no "live service" updates to speak of.
No, Outriders was a live service that was broken. There was no fun since many people couldn't even play the game and the loot bug.
It completely failed.
When it worked I enjoyed it too
Just shows the guy who made this video has no idea what he’s talking about.
@@stanknight9159 it has no season pass, no in game store, no dlc, no battle pass, no log in rewards, no any kind of monetization at all. it was broken at release but it was not a live service game.
This is a stupid nitpick but Outriders was always marketed as a shooter with a campaign and maybe one or two DLCs if it did well. They were actually pretty up front that it was NOT intended to be a live service game in any way. A series one day maybe, but not a live service game.
Let's face it, Platinum never had good story in their games unless it's based on another game, like Revengeance or Automata.
And my god, Square Enix management likely killed this game before it released. Can't wait for NFTs as well
Im having a feeling it might be more square enix and less platinum. stranger of paradise is pretty mediocre too and that weird considering Team Ninja's Nioh games are great
@@Saint-Soren Being a Final Fantasy game, I imagine they were under very tight constraints by Square.
I got to the first fight, it felt(and looks) terrible and stiff and I immediately deleted it off the PS5. The audacity i had to actually give this game a chance while forbidden west and elden ring were just sitting there waiting to be played.
great video man, :) enjoy your sense of humour, and honest reviewing
Didn't know SE was planning to release Anthem 2
I don't think Outriders was live service game, live service implies a whole bunch of monetize content after release, last I checked that game that didn't have that
It was supposed to be a live service game it just failed too quickly to maintain its runway
Man I sure do love nouns
I noticed the lack of astral chain there, at the end
I did like Astral Chain quite a bit! But the tone of it, especially at the end, is less fun than the examples at the end. There's some fun in the side stuff, but sometimes on the main path it felt like it was emulating Nier's wistful shades of grey, if that makes sense.
Good game, I just didn't know how to feel when the credits rolled.
I actually downloaded the demo the moment it was announced just to see how bad it would be (beecause I'm a jaded bastard whose ability to be excited for new games was killed years ago) but then it wanted me to make a square enix account and enter it on a dualshock for a _demo_ so I just deleted it immediately and switched to that Fromsoftware game I've been meaning to play. By which I mean Metal Wolf Chaos XD. I've actually also been playing the Vanquish Remaster as well and...well it certainly is a juxtaposition that shows how far Platinum has fallen. You said this feels like seeing them take up drinking but I think it's more like, that was a while ago but now is the first time they come home blackout drunk with a belt in hand.
First they were crowdfunding for a remaster. Ok that's weak but they were independently publishing a remaster of a Wii U exclusive with a cult following. But then they released the successor to Okami as an ios cashgrab that had to retroactively be turned into a non-mtx based REAL game following the backlash that probably wouldnt have even worked if Apple Arcade hadnt offered them a spot in that service. Now they made a garbage live-service at Squeenix's behest and are now working on a...successor to Final Fantasy Tactics. And while I'm all for developers branching out I seriously don't see why they're Co-Developing a top down tactics game that frankly looked like the most jank thing i've seen in any recent release for a long time.
....Anyways this was some well made content! Nice thing about these dumpster fires if nothing else is finding smaller but quality channels as i take in the schadenfreude (see the aforementioned cynicism).
"its an expansive maze where u run through thousands of rooms" "what? how are we going to make thousands of rooms?" "we wont. we'll make like 6 of them and then copy and paste it procedurally" "oh okay"
Me remembers outriders clames of being a "complete game at launch, Isn't a GAAS" platinum games "Designed to be a GAAS" At least outriders was nice enough to lie to my face.
I do think Square Enix may have done something to force Platnium to make BF a GAAS since the og trailers look so different or maybe its just a little bit of optimism trying not to think that another game studio has fallen this far.
Hi, I was brought here by Castle Super Beast. Nice vid! Dear god, why did they go with that art style? lol
I enjoyed the anthem loading screen more
Buns brought me here - Great video! Really funny, keep up with the good content, you got a sub :D
May I remind you this was the same company that brought us metal gear rising revengeance
I can't believe this is the same team and project leader that made MGR.
the end times ... the end times are hereeeeeeeeeeeeeee!
Me: Warhammer Fantasy ??
fun fact: the day this game released, the number 1 trending game on steam was Sex With Hitler 2
4:15 I heard that! Top of the Humans!
It's crazy that even Absolver looks cleaner than this. Their style was intentional and looked amazing.
Then I look at the PS2 "Final Fantasy-like" game...
8:55 this was the moment i dropped the demo, because at this point it wasn't a demo for me anymore, i liked the idea of the game but it didn't hold me very long
God Hand music!!! You are cultured
Saw how bad the launch was and had to learn more about this trainwreck.
Man, SE is really trying to get their own Live service game, which is understandable, but do you know what a live service game needs to work?, the same thing Avengers, Anthem and other games didn't have.. A good foundation.
WoolieVs was right great video.
Man bits of this reminds me of Final Fantasy 13. Where it too had issues with really bad level design (Everything is a linear hallway to an arena, with side rooms that gave inconsequential treasures), the seemingly nonsensical way they "rated" your battles, and while Destiny was listed as the origins of it, FInal Fantasy 13 was the first modern video game I played that for some baffling reason thought Exposition didn't need to exist. No one EVER explains anything in it. They just throw nouns and terms at you like you're supposed to know what it means and provides you a codex you can check up on instead. A codex where the major, plot critical information is contained and only relayed in said codex.
It was such a baffling way to create a game. And it seems Square Enix learned nothing from it. Even though that game nearly killed off a very long running, successful IP that is responsible for Squaresoft even surviving its early years.
OH YEAAAAHH! I fucking love it when some obvious uneducated interference in a process just ruins the whole thing. so much time, effort, skill and talent just fucking flushed down the toilet by (obvious) external incompetent decicions. LOVE IT.
at least now I don't have fomo on this game any longer.
I hope Platinum won't die..........
CSB sent me here. Let's get these numbers up.
I can't express how disappointed I am
As a Nier automata fan, I was expecting so much from this game. I had the possibility to join the beta and I was already incredibly disappointed ( you talk about the graphics, but the paintbrush effect was even worse back then and made the action unreadable), beta phase 2 and still remained bad
I hoped, oh I hoped ! That the final release would be better. I tried the demo today and I came to the same every single ones conclusions as you
This is soooo far from the quality of Nier Automata...
Just as expected
Wish they would've just made astral chain 2
Platinums gonna go under
Isnt it
Shempai recommended you, now I can tell why
The most annoying thing about the Tavern scenes for me wasn't the music. It's that those two guys in the background have hats that keep clipping through their bodies.
We honour your sacrifice/
I actually confused Babylon's Fall and Elden Ring with each other for the longest time.
Dead before arrival
Worth pointing out that most of the dungeon/mission issues Babylon's Fall has also apply to FF14's dungeons and raids. Not defending Babylon (I will bitch without end about that part of 14) but it goes to show how much the total package can influence how you feel about the different pieces.
This is definitely an example of a greedy corporate CEO saying, fuck single player, make it online, add a paid battlepass, but no, make it a full priced game too. Remove all the cool stuff you can do, you cant do it in co-op. Basically fuck the game you had planned because we want money.
This will be a ps plus game later this year
I wish I saw this video a few hours ago 😂
I bought the deluxe edition. I feel sick.
Save your money. It’s not even worth $15.
it had been taken down from steam and service completely shut down
Played the Demo on PS5 and it's a low-poly nightmare.
You can tell they shoehorn live service into this game. Almost like it was an afterthought
I know i am late but shoehorning implies it was just sapled on at the last second. Its more like they hammered a shitty limiter into the car's engine with a sledgehammer a week before the prototype is due
I think The Division is possibly Destiny 2's closest competitor in the Live Service front but they haven't added any new content for a while and Ubisoft would probably proceeding to make a 3rd one like they did with Assassin's Creed. Destiny 2 has its own ups and downs. Learned one thing, ruined another, fix one thing, mess up another.
honestly it reminds me of how cyberpunk looks before the game renders in.
Love the game! Can't wait to play it 🤍
...how do you love it if you haven't played it?
Platinum feels like its had a producer problem since its inception. Even their more coherent games like MGR was shown to be completely different when showing the games off to media outlets. The only games that feel polished inside and out are the Bayo titles
@Bam OuttaDaBayou
Haven't played either yet, plus I forgot about them when writing this
Should probably get w101 on switch
And Automata, and astral chain. Kinda shame when most of their polished game is only on the switch.
One thing Outriders wasn't a live service.