More KvK Rewards! [petition gets results] Rise of Kingdoms
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- čas přidán 13. 07. 2024
- Developers respond to a player petition with over 800 signatures in Rise of Kingdoms!
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0:00 Petition
1:00 KvK Rewards
3:59 New Player Experience
5:56 Vacation Mode
7:33 Domains
10:07 Recruiting
11:37 Imperium
13:49 Warcamps Overstuffed
15:00 Dev Feedback
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One problem is the need to constantly kill off dead weight.
It drives players away from the game but if you dont do it your kingdom dies. both ways suck. Both ways it drives people away from the game.
Thats why it might be nice to have a holiday mode i guess of have a selected roster of who can be in kvk.
Even if you zero people you can end up with a kingdom of zeroed accounts with so much tech power you can never compete and its completely dead. Also another issue is old accounts logging in to "check in" right before kvk match making and it screws your match up. You should be able to exclude these accounts. Or at least make it so accounts have to be active so many days before counting for kvk match up power.
Totally agree 100%
100% agree with this, especially an issue in lower seeds
Put Pass port in the VIP shop 🧐
But we already have that in alliance shop 🧐
@@GrowmietheGreenyes and that relies on alliances being willing to stock them, if they were in vip shop then people could access them without the need for involving others.
@@GrowmietheGreen So? The price of passports increases almost exponentially up to 100m power. Allowing higher power players; who typically spend in the game, to purchase passports more rapidly will be a benefit for kingdoms in the game.
@@RandyRodgirth it also relies on having tons of silver, which you probably wont have when you need it the most
@@korisnickoime571 So save up credits just for that??????
4:35 Matchmaking is easily one of the biggest issues with RoK, in both KvK and AOO. Im in a fairly new kingdom (70 days) and have queued for AOO twice so far, with my second march being against a 90m whale with expertised commanders from KvK2-SoC and his alt with 50m and expertised KvK2-3 commanders. All due to us having an even score triggering the game to believe its "balanced"
They need to do something 1 rogue in KvK can damage a whole camp for 2 months.
Either allow kingdoms to choose who goes to KvK or add skill that can banish them from LK for the whole duration.
These rogues don’t generate no money for Lilith. It’s bad enough they can screw up mge. I understand everyone should play the game how they want so I won’t argue that. But when it comes to KvK you have people spending hundreds just to get farm killed daily. Then killed again by the enemy.
Make it so home kingdom anything goes but when it comes to KvK, it should be treated more as a privilege.
They can also discourage people from playing the game. Pre KvK 1 all it takes it someone spending money and hitting city’s… happen to my KvK and we were struggling to recover
I am suffering from the same problem in my kvk right now
I thought the domain system should have helped with that
Issue 5; it's not only "expensive" to migrate, it's also hard to get enough (or any) passports in a short time. Unless there is an alliance which will invest alliance coins in passports, the only way to get them is to buy bundles which takes ages and a lot of money...
The problem trying to be solved with vacation mode is ROK is built for people like you Chisgule. Ones that dont work 30-60 hour work weeks and have large real life obligations. Some KvKs I can't sit online for 8+ hours straight killing stuff so I only get like 10mil kills. I'm a healthcare provider and dependent on if I work a heavy schedule or maybe I am on vacation and don't feel like sitting on my phone all day. Rise of Kingdoms needs to be more like Clash of Clans, it's a dying game where the only people keeping it alive are ones spending $10,000+ a month or year on it like yourself. People want to be able to skip out on a KvK and take a break doing only daily stuff without getting zero'd for not contributing because they have a life but still want to be able to play in a KvK when their life gets less hectic.
Kvk should be like a home kingdom, its more fun there and if everyone is in kvk 24/7 the pressure could decrease, changing crystal tech to sessonal tech that rotates every 3 months or something
Kvk should be a sign in thing FOR INDIVIDUAL PLAYERS and matchmaking should be based on that
Socks has a literal full time job and still does over 2B KP a KvK as a F2P. This is unsolicited crying
@@Setsu2973 i think your forgetting he legit said he plays non stop during work 🤣 so much for comparing a "full time job" to medical services or other real jobs that require you to not be on ur phone like a dumba$$
@@Setsu2973I’d love if my healthcare workers were fighting in kvk while I’m fighting for my life! Great idea
You can put limits on the vacation mode, such as an account can exercise a 30 day break for every rolling 365 days, etc.
I actually think there should be a one directional merge kingdom function that can be used by leadership of both sides to become one. This due to the fact that new kingdoms are being made but no old kingdom is every cleaned up in any way.
Is it that hard to increase the coalition size based on the amount of kds in a camp? Lol
Sounds like a decent start. I think they're finally starting to act on feedback because the player base is vanishing. They could've started making positive changes a long time ago, but they neglected the players, and now lilith is fearing the game is dying, so they're only acting out of necessity. Fact is THEY HAVE TO LISTEN TO US if they want a living game. These changes are not solely for us, they are just as much for the survival of lilith/rok.
First, not enough results tho! we gonna get a new petition going to respond to this one!
It’s so hard to compete with big spenders
@@imcracked768welp, it’s a pay 2 win game
The problem is as follow :
Each players, casual from veteran, once the cityhall have reach level 25, the power is added to the total power of the home kingdom in SoC and even we want it or not, we can't control this.
It is unfair to mix people that want to be competitive and people that do not.
We have also players with many many many farms with cityhall 25 that give fake power and become a weight.
Selecting players can address this and make kingdom a less pain to manage.
but its the same for very kingdom
If high contributors get rewarded regardless of winning or losing, it'll save countless kingdoms from dying. Good decision
Its a big no , removing 30 autrach from the winning team ? Big L this update encourage losers and pamper players who aint winning
I think some of these things, like being able to edit the kvk battle roster is mainly for helping match making. A lot of low seed kingdoms have atleast 100 out of the top 300 or more, that count towards matchmaking, that are not playing, or login just to keep the account fresh and ruin the matchmaking for the kingdom because they are rogue Or deadweight. This would eleviate that problem. thats one of the big problems that needs addressed.
They should just add 1 free immigration if you stayed in a kingdom for like a year or so
keeping rss when you migrate would be a huge W
A lot of people are trying to come up with solutions for dead weight/rouges. We were talking about this when looking at the new "mini" kvk trying to figure out what it means by "less govs"
I think a solution to the dead weight/rouge issue could be you register a certain number of alliances, not sure what a good max would be 3 or 4 alliances maybe? This could also be used to limit the farm problem. This could happen once you get to SoC or even after you get to a certain SoC threshold (KvK 6 or 7) as I know there's some argument to be made about newer KDs just getting to SoC.
And then everyone in those alliances gets registered. Since most kingdoms have at least 3-4 shells they control they could literally exclude anyone they want and then matchmaking could take place off of the alliances instead of the whole KD. Then you don't even have to worry about dead weight, zeroing them or getting rouges because it no longer includes them in matchmaking. It also solves the "vacation" mode problem because you don't need to worry about being offline/online as you're not going to be counted if you're not in the alliance.
This might have been what they intended with the domain system I'm not sure but if it was they set the account limit way too high. You'd have to go down to 400 or 300 probably.
Cross-Season Migration should be completely removed. This would allow Lilith to significantly boost the rate of new players acquiring SoC commanders without having Cross-Season Migrants also enjoy this boost. It would allow new players to feel more relevant through kvk3 until they get their first real SoC migration post-kvk3. It blows my mind that the developers think it is okay for new kingdoms to receive 50 T5 accounts a couple days after kvk1 ends. Do they actually think that the natives are not turned off by this? And the fact that these same new kingdoms are not allowed to choose who migrates there? Why is this allowed?
In my opinion all non-whale natives are rendered completely irrelevant in kvk2 and might as well be farms only used to fill flags. Maybe if these natives were allowed to be relevant through kvk2 and 3 by way of disabling Cross-Season Migration [and if they had the rate of acquiring commanders juiced up] they can enter SoC in kvk4 and be able to field good marches. If this were the case maybe kingdoms as a whole would not be shrinking and dying and growing smaller and smaller because more new players would make it to the end game. Lets bring back the era when kingdoms held onto 2-3 main alliances worth of players until they get to SoC.
Some games, once they reach a certain age, add new-player events where they get to choose one hero/character and fully unlock them at their highest potential to give new players a taste of that power. Why is the rate of unlocking new commanders in new kingdoms the same as it was 3 years ago? Why can't there be an event that pops up when new players reach kvk3 that allows them to pick a commander and unlock that commander fully expertise? If you think that is too much to give away for free remember that new players will still need to unlock and acquire heads for 3 more meta commanders just to complete 1 march of each troop type anyways (2070 gold heads after unlocking)
The Civilization Explorer event that pops up when you first build the Museum after kvk2 should repeat at least once or twice the next time that account enters a kvk. As it is right now completing the entire event including paying for the battle pass only gives you 2.5 "full unlocks" which is an Unlock + Upgrade to tier 2. Now that we have an expanded roster of commanders in the Museum and older commanders are now getting a third tier unlock newer players need more coins now more than ever.
2489 has lost countless kvk in a row and is still top 3-5 kd in the game
@chisgule....I have a deeply concerning question or maybe I am a noob.....during kvk everyone moves around according to where the fights are....come end of the kvk how does the kp I accumulated over the course of kvk count, when check alliances stats.....ie say I'm originally from alliance A...and spend my entire kvk fighting in Alliance D from another kd in camp...Will my stats reflect as alliance D or A?! Hope that makes sense
Lilith seems to be willfully ignoring some of the "social interaction" that happens on a lot of servers. They need to realize that the only tool kd councils have now is a cudgel, so that's the tool they use. If they made it easier to find a server that matched a personality set, or a playstyle or kd rules that are enforced, people would use it. Let the players self organize and play to enjoy the kvk, instead of creating drama and saying "they'll figure it out"
Need to sort out the ap issue no where enough ways to earn it since the added ways to spend ap ie travelling,dispatches,karauk ,kvk barbs to earn honour pre kvk marauders and forts, events the alliance Mobilisation barbs way to high for that event yet remove the best event shadow league to 2-3 months instead of monthly most people who are active are starting to struggle with ap
Vacation mode is actually legit needed. But it's King and council's decision to do so.
They can just skip the SOC Story for a period of time.
Or, some people can just migrate to seed D
stat sticks for lower power players would work. Something like a relic that goes in secondary commander equipment slots, and it would be available to them per power level of the character. So it's a hand up, but as they progress they have to get a different stat stick that offers them increasingly less rewards. Push to grow real power, but get a temporary bridge to help in that gap period. And you can make the items scalable. You do a lucerne scrolls type quest to upgrade the stats. maybe it starts at +2% of some kind of buff, hit enough quest milestones and it's +10% vs kvk and +20% vs barbs. That helps get them relevant on the battlefield, but they still have to grow their account because the stat sticks will only do as much as the Devs want them to and the quest chain keeps them playing and available to help out on stuff. They could add as many quest sticks as they want and fine tune them as they please.
Yo, how about auto-translating for messaging, markers, etc. Auto translate converts to your chosen game language. Why make me press the translate button a bajillion times?
yeah, this would greatly help, i no longer read messages in chat because of this, because sometimes during fights i just read the messages directly on preview without opening the chat, and with other languages you have to open the chat first then click translate for each message which is tiring
@@p.sthedrunkgamer6424 right? Our KD has been overrun by Italians, and I no longer read a single marker, chat, or mail. 🤣😅
I refuse to press the button that much.
@@Dpain003 Learn the key words, easy.
I think the holiday mode is so that during holiday fight in kvks should stop so that players are not punished for participating in their holiday. Also people should have complained about crystal tech in this petition.
Hi Chis great content. Btw any chance you could do an armaments for dummies video? It’s so complicated and confusing.
The devs should make more ways to acquire museum coins. It is freaking hard to earn ftp... And they hve the audacity to call it bridging the gap of ftp and spenders
The vacation could be sovled with account sitting. But you cant support or attack the same target while being sat. A 2week or month max?
Pass openings should be moved back 24-48h. Currently, they are typically opening on a W or Th which makes it very difficult for people to be there and fight for many hours on end due to most people are at work or sleeping for work. Moving this back to a Th/F opening would greatly increase participation and imo keeping players involved.
Currently in my KD our top fighters all either take that day off of work or work from home/ have a more relaxed office job. Not saying a day later opening doesn't mean people won't still have to do this, just more people would be available to play.
I'm currently looking for a kingdom to move to. I've been in same place for many years and hoping to find an A seed or active lower seed kingdom.
These changes would help those lower kingdoms to get some rewards more for good contribution. I like it.
Why no one said something like less hospital bill and less time for healing and taking more resources when migrating and keep some more after getting zeroed and some healing reduction in crystal technology for t4 players too and commander rebirth ceremony for wrong investment to fix mistakes
That issue #7 so real. Make camps have civil wars trying to guarantee a spot in the coalition. I guess they meant a system like alliance mobilization that when they provide enough activity they get promoted to the coalition and earn the rewards. That would eliminate coalition leaders from accepting or removing kds
Why are people not talking about gold key? Remove elite commander from the chest and increase the probability of getting legendaries
Or add some new stuff to the expedition shop...
because the whole discussion in rok is driven by the whales and whales don't care about gold keys at all. most of them dont even open them, sitting on 2000 or more
The biggest thing we need is a 50% return on rss and speeds just like troops. The most fun part of the game is the fighting.
Chis, the game has to implement something to protect players that have invested thousands of dollars to their accounts. The cost of passports is high and if you are in a competitive KD, you get zero’d if you cannot compete. I got very sick during a KvK and did not perform to expectation. The medical bills I racked up is insane and I can’t spend a dime for the foreseeable future. Why should all my rss and power get annihilated? WHY? People should register for KvK and matchmaking should be based on the power of the people who register or on the alliances that register that way dead weight won’t be an issue and people don’t have to get zero’d. You can just leave people alone and allow them to take how ever long a break they need. It’s f’king ridiculous how this isn’t supported by the big spenders and influencers. The selfishness of the community is getting to be pretty terrible
my kingdom has not won a kvk since 2021 no Autarch Testomies for us in years, finally we can get some
They had replaced all iconic crystals with transmutation stones for kvk3 rewards and it is the worst ever 😢
Yeah, I hate that too. Just 1 or 2 in all rewards or shops
See you in LA ✌🏻
id have what, >3k gh just from collecting vip if there was a "vacation mode" lol
you could get some players go come back if it was applied retroactively, but then you'd have a massive influx of accounts being sold so no way they'd do that
It feels like your excitement for RoK is gone. You last many videos feel more like a chore than a want. We need you Chis!
This game is classic organizational development. The longer it goes the more complex it gets and rules stack upon rules. RoK is going to resemble the US tax code within a couple more years. 😂
Your opinion on issue 3 is actually THE issue and is the huge problem of why rok is losing players. No game should require the level of time commitment rok does. It's a game, not real life. It should be fun, something you do when you have a spare time and want to relax, not be a second job. And doing it like a second job is the only way to stay competitive in rok. And when you cannot compete it's not fun.
Just play Doomsday Last Survivors for example. On the first glance it looks like a copy pasta of rok, but with zombies😂 But there are many small - VERY small but significant tweaks that make it more friendly for non-whales and non-geeks - i.e. for normal people with actual lives who just want to play games when they can and maybe spend a $ here or there from time to time - which actually makes for 90% of players. Those tweaks aren't noticeable at first glance, but become obvious somewhere around city hall 21.
You are a whale and you only mostly talk in your small circle of big accounts players. Just like Lilith, you do not get why the game is dying, because you do not want to look at it from the idle player's POV (who are 90% of people) - you only see it as the result: when you ask for more efficient ways to clear dead weight lmao😂 and then you sit and wonder - "whatever is the issue, why this game no longer as much fun as it were for me and my whale/geek friends"?😂
Domain system was released too late in RoK, at this point it won't work because some kingdoms are shrunk to the point that's there is only 100 players or fewer running it.
Betrayal is part of a war game. Makes it fun.
I stop playing for 3 month now…….and it is amazing to not longer playing this P2W game
They should definitely add vacation mode for ppl who are busy or want to take a Break idk but that feature alone is awesome it should be limited to amount of players tho 4 to 5 ppl 😂 I mean some ppl just want to take a break 😅😅 idk honestly
Exactly, the kvk I am in we are supposed to be in same camp with 1960. But they are basically useless. Because their main roster is in kvk and it makes our camp that much weaker
Liang Herman or Liuchi Wallace
Honestly don’t know why we can’t keep resources when we migrate like why ??!😂😭
rss sellers would have a field day. not gonna happen
And I don't get why I cannot take my rss when I migrate? What's the reason for that?
It would make the Resource Sellers' jobs easier.
As a new account my biggest issue is comander s
Current meta is delete seige, fill hospitals, dont build up commanders you cant or not currently using basically keep power low as possible while still being able to fight, A lot of kingdoms have caps on how much power certain players can hold on to.
I didn't see anything about crystal tech... Are they saying there are no issues with that system 🤔
how else are they supposed to make money then. it's a business, not a charity.
@@Lugh-gv6jx they dont really need to remove it, but make it so everyone get the chance to max it by being active, then you can still pay to max it faster or dont have time to be grinding tech, same way as maxing a commander, you can still do it as an f2p or getting t5 is still achievable and they still make money from people paying to max tech and comms faster
I think a fair fix for this may be adding a kvk story that doesn't have crystal tech. You can still make it interesting by keeping bastion quests for auxiliary skills and what not without the huge pay gap.
Yeah I guess crystal tech is the only way to spend money in rok... 🙄
They will NOT even ( touch ) it
We all need a vacation mode.
Since the introduction of autarchs in the 4 soc kvk's I ´ve been. I got betrayed 3 times 😂
A lot of the requests on this letter are just stupid tbh...
what month kvk start?
im going prepared marunders because im f2p i need some speed so i want to know
i only playing dis game for nostalgia 😁✌️
Let people choose to join or not to join kvk, so there will be no dead weight zeroing ffs. No 1 why people quit the game
Issue 4 was about getting an alternate way of handling "deadweight" that does not involve forcing people to stop the game. As such it was the most important issue. As long as good kingdom management involves making people stop to play, this game is bound to die.
So older account s will always have advantage
93 will do anything except downsizing lol
2218 bro, we getting stronger with losing
Restricting autarchs from 270 to less is only going to hurt imperiums more. Like wow. Imagine being in 1093 and actually having 2-3 alliances of unique individual players. So 300-450 actual people not just farms, and being told only 240 or 210 of you will get autarchs now. Just incentivized people to leave. Like when 960 had GT and Hawks from 412 in 60mx, we saw CWill giving autarchs to his farms, and suddenly, there's a mass exodus of actual main accounts from MX... color me surprised.
What happened to your friend Yoda did you stop playing
how about lilith forces leadership to give autarch so power drunk leaders cant refuse to give rewards
Leave the kd if this happens
Just put 30 days shield and u go to your vacation hahahaha
but your kingdom suffers because you'll be a dead weight for 30 days
What I don't get is that they introduce engineering commanders, which is a whole new type of commander, but have not increased gold heads per day, nor equipment per day given the tier system for leveling up gear... Crazy... What don't you want people to ever experience the new engineering commanders? what's the point of them then?
I can not invest in guan or any other older comander
Let me tell you why holiday mode would be great for game , last year was my graduation year and you know what effort needed for studying and research ect.. , so I found myself just can’t play ROK this period and that’s ruined my relationship with friends in the game ( you know how players thinking ) after that i just lost my passion for the game honestly 🤷🏻♂️
There’s huge amount of players quitting just cuz they can’t take break for awhile
How are you unclear on what issue number 4 is addressing? Managing KD power and seeding has become a nightmare since the introduction of Autarch. Look at 1093’s data on seeding collapse in the last 1-2 years.
Crystal tech/P2W is always going to be an issue for this game.. make a few F2P kvk's
Can you sugest them to put some automatic features in game.
Like killing barbarians by chosing yous troops and the range of barbarians who will be hunted. And the bot does the work to find and fight those until the AP is gone.
And joining rally (to PVE) even if you are offline.
Wtf about autarch. I should not have to fight against people with a 15% skill damage bonus when 1v1 just because my kingdom can’t win the star
So in short, the Domain system just ruins the KvK experience for Low seed Kgs. You have a FAT kg full of farms.
Nobody will want to ally with a camp like this, and whoever is in that camp know from day 1 that chances of getting a star are ZERO.
If we could keep our RSS when migrating... So crazy and so silly to drop/ forego up several billions of them (each) and migrate, and then someone complains about acquiring RSS outside of the official means of the game... I so wish that would change.
The imperium system is c***, they are afraid of kingdoms becoming too powerful? I mean top kingdoms already are, but they think magically 1000 people will migrate to these kingdoms, which could be true but there are a limited number of rewards for kvk, so by going to one of these top kingdoms you might actually hurt yourself. I like the idea of the domain feature but I hate the 2nd and 3rd domain part.
Stopped playing the game, it just not friendly for Non spender
Why do you guys that quit always show up in comments section of all ROK videos.
If you quit then just move on.
Then don’t play then if you’re broke
I keep up with spenders and i'm F2P I just don't max out commanders as fast
Especially with the autarch system, where people say allies have been betrayed for the 240 autarchs, it’s true. My kingdom (2839) have lost 2 or 3 stars that were well deserved because of people who betrayed us after we were fully drained out. There needs to be a proper way to address this for sure.
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@@Cyrus84Did you forget to switch your yt account 💀
Lol
No buying bundles during kvk would be nice 😂😂😂😂😂those whales 🐋 r insane I mean it’s a penny for krakens
anyone interested in 76M+ inf account? 10 expertise 8 of them inf and top tier gear plus more things. I’m about to quit so if anyone wants it lmk
yo I can
unless of course I need to pay then nah. I'm f2p so XD
I'll take it and improve on it.
Whenever you feel like you wanna return, you'll have an uptodate account to play with.
I'll definitely take care of your acc as I have been playing since 2021. had been in leadership of a kingdom for quite some time and have a lot of experience in game. if you ever feel like coming back, rest assured you can play your account back. I just want to experience a different account with different builds other than my own accounts. lemme know if you're up for it. oh and you'd come back with a healthy and juicy amount of kp ;)
@@proxitocin no sorry bro, im meant to buy it, im selling in it for 500€
Purple equipment "rewards". In SOC we don't need or want them. They useless and worthless. Take them off any wheels, any kvk rewards, and every other event they are included.
ROK big problem is each player in this game finds building their city is too much restrained by game mechanics. Lowering power is the opposite of power gain. I think ROK is doomed and the proof is the low download of the game. Existing accounts making new accounts gives appearance of growth but people burn out in a game than makes u log on daily at the minimum. The best KVK players spend thousands of dollars for a 2 month event. The KVK3 SOC pushes new players before they can compete. Just cause the new commanders are available does not mean u can get even 1 to a useable level.