Brallin//Shabraz Curious Combo - cEDH Deck Tech
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- čas přidán 8. 08. 2020
- Today we have something a little different! Here is my current cEDH list for
Brallin//Shabraz CuriousCombo - www.moxfield.com/decks/NiKH7a...
worth noting You should probably also play Brain Freeze. I will be including it in this list, and updating it.
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Great video! I'm one of the 4 database curators for the deck. I tried the moonless build originally, but I ended up having the opposite assessment of you. The deck felt bad and after many changes it feels better with stax to me. But hey, I love different assessments and play styles! I'm glad the staxless build is working for you.
I want to throw a great combo your way, especially being a more proactive list. You should definitely consider running Brain Freeze for Underworld Breach/LED lines. It lets you put your deck into the graveyard and loop LED to cast Silence/Curiosity/Ghostly Pilferer from yard, then just cast a Timetwister from the yard and go off will Brallin loops. It is a really aggressive like, and is surprisingly fast/consistent. Alternatively you can just Freeze everyone's deck away and have them die to draw, but I just find the Brallin way to be more fun :)
I honestly think every list should run this combo, no matter if it's mutate, moonless, or full stax. It's too good and has been my primary line since it's implementation.
Check out my primer for the full description of how effectively Brain Freeze functions in the deck! www.moxfield.com/decks/mlH3OtuuCUaYY1GM_oKCnw
Also, here is a link to the Shark Gang discord if anyone is interested! discord.gg/fdNGBdG
Thanks for the input! You're probably right. I had one or two bad experiences drawing brain freeze as a dead card, and cut it early on BUTTTT I think you're right in that the upside is just too high to not play it. Just checked your primer, seems great. You wouldn't happen to have a resource or the math on hand of the minimum amount of cards in your library vs max amount of cards in your opponents libraries to be able to mill them all out would you? Just in case you're forced to play it out.
@@PlaytoWinMTG lengthy response warning..
I actually got the opportunity to play it out in a pod on Friday! I won turn 6 with it. The math theory checked out in game.
Let's assume best case senario. intuition on t2 to set it up, and go for the line turn 3 (after keeping a 7 card opener.) You've seen 13 cards thus far, minimum. 85 cards left in library.
I'll represent storm count as (sx) where x is count. And mana floating as (Ux, Wx, Rx) respectively.
1. Cast breach, exile 3 for LED. Discard hand for 3 blue. 2 blue and exile 3 for freeze (s3) mill 12.
2. Exile 3, cast LED. Crack for 3 blue, use 2 and exile 3 for freeze (s5, u2) mill 18.
3. Repeat step 2 (s7, u3) mill 24
4. Repeat step 2 again (s9, u4) mill 30.
So now you have exiled 30 cards and have 55 in yard.
You can loop LED and freeze from here to mill opponents out. (Total of 24 cards are needed for exile. This will mill a total of 306 cards from opponents)
Also, you can:
Exile 3 for LED, crack for 3 white to cast silence (if needed, I usually do the moment I mill it). Exile 3, cast LED. Crack for 3 red to cast brallin (If needed). Use 2u (u4, w1) and exile 3 to cast ghostly, exile 3 and cast curiosity. Exile 3 for LED, crack for 3u (5u) cast twister. (2u) You have a discard outlet and 37 in library. If that's not enough cards after going through the deck you can exile 6 more for LED and Twister to loop it again.
I like this option just cause it's more fun and wins off Brallin, though it's unnecessary.
If brallin is draked or anything you have access to you deck, so just bounce him.
I took freeze out briefly for similar reasons, and decided to get back on it and haven't looked back! There's also a super niche line of freezing yourself on top of a counter war to mill curiosity if you have breach/sevinne's in hand or want to put sevinne/curiosity in the yard.
***edit***
Someone in the discord just did the math and this combo works with lotus petal too. For budget reasons. You will exile 72 cards to freeze everyone out.
They're also making a table for the LED line. They will both be pinned in the Competitive channel on the discord if you care to look!
Also, freeze has some good usage dependant on Meta for top deck tutors.
I got to freeze away a doomsday pile on Friday. Felt really nice!
@@Christian-cy9sx Wow this is an awesome write up. storm is just so silly. I think you've convinced me.
I play in a weekly cEDH group and i have been on Dawnwaker Evolution or Advantage Thrasios (whichever ya wanna call it) for months now. I absolutely love the deck but wanted to try something new. I already had most the stuff for Brallin & Shabraz so I picked the rest up and went for the mutate build. Played it with my group last night and loved it!!
I like these deck techs. I want to see more for sure!
Same!
I actually said the same thing on a recent video, and I like the more personal format. Most deck techs are super "power point" like, but this is very personalized, in depth. Its very enjoyable and has a lot of entertainment and attention value .
I 100% agree and I love the deck!
One of the best parts of this channel is your guys’ personalities. Deck techs and supplemental content to the games themselves are more of that and I think it’s great! We need more.
This is the content I'm looking for. Lab Maniacs did this a lot in more of a long-form conversation, and those were really great. But, we haven't heard from those guys in a while. Great way to fill in the gaps between gameplay videos. Thank you!
Thank you so much for this deck tech. I switched from niv mizzet to Brallin/Shabrazz after watching your videos, this deck tech helps a ton!
I love that this was the highlighted comment lol. Knew you would comment here. Need to work on this deck myself.
Loved to hear your thoughts and perspective on how to play edh. As someone dipping their toes in the water, it's really cool to hear the mindset of how and why you picked what you did.
My dood, I LOVE the "Jaws" music. Awesome vid! Also we need a finger guns emoji 😂!
Thank you!! 👉🏻👉🏻
@@PlaytoWinMTG 👉👉👈👈
Dylan, the first time I saw you piloting this on the channel, I knew I had to build this deck. Minus the $20 and up cards, my deck mirrors yours and has worked fairly well in my casually competitive groups. Love the formal deck techs and keep them coming. I love seeing how people differ from the cEDH database builds.
YAY! More B&S love! Thank you
You guys are my current favorite channel and this deck tech video is so informative. Thanks for making it! :)
For real dude I loved this video, you presented all the information very clearly and concise gave examples for what things we want to look for ( i.e the intuition piles ) great stuff! Keep up the amazing work!!
Honestly I really like the explanation over just a deck list. This was very helpful! Thanks!
So yeah! More deck techs please! This channel is growing consistently and is very informative, people like me with limited experience with cEDH is very thankful you take the time to go about explaining things happening.
Appreciate the "I know it is different but here is WHY" that you presented here. Good stuff.
I generally don't like/watch deck techs, and I'm not planning on playing Brallin // Shabraz anytime soon but I think you did a great job with the video and really helped me to understand more about the deck. So keep up the good work, always love to see one of your videos.
I love this version of the deck. Definitely more up my alley in terms of wanting to be more proactive. Gonna have to make room for Brainfreeze tho, Christian just convinced the entire world it's too good not to have. Would love to see more content like this on other decks you guys have showcased, even if they're not your own lists. All of you are great pilots of the various decks you play so it would be cool to hear your take on them. GG my dude~
I was just going through the old cEDH Cast dm's and remembered that you got the initial concept of the deck from him. You've done an amazing job of making it your own! Congrats
Oh wow ya I completely forgot about that honestly, that was a big help
Was awesome to hear thought process of each of the choices, strategies and honorable metions!!!
As someone considering getting into cedh, your videos are great. I love the deck tech and would love to see more in the future
Dope vid, wouldn’t mind seeing more like this in the future!
I’d suggest doing more of these in the future!! This was awesome
Really enjoyed this video! Would love more videos like this for those of us just getting into cEDH!
Great deck tech!
And great video quality!
Happy to wear my Play to Win shirt out and about!
Love this type of videos👍🏻. Keep it up guys
Great deck tech. Looking forward to seeing more.
Great video! Hope to see more like this in the future
I definitely wanna see more deck techs from you guys! Keep them coming ♥
Finally, someone that can explain how the deck works. From now on I'll just link this video instead of explaining to a playgroup how I won the game.
Plus you can go back and forth between Blue Moon variants and fast proactive combo deck. I like to make control players cry with Burning Inquiry/Narset
Thanks for the deck tech. Keep em coming😁
Big thank for your talking about what kinda instant etc to exp. helps me getting a idea what to exp from the color pile
I would LOVE more of these videos!!!
Love this please do more!!!!!!! You are my favourite channel
I run a proactive Brallin Shabraz, you're right about presenting win over and over, and late game the shark has your back. wonderful deck tech.
LOVE IT NEED MORE OF THESE PLEASE
This was a great. I really want to see more of these and maybe a little longer and more in depth. Tho you did cover a lot of good info, I’m greedy and always want more content like this.
Awesome video and a really interesting deck!
I like this dech tech!! Please do this more times!
Just from watching the gameplay of this deck, especially your version, which seems to present a win threat almost every turn, I added an element of this deck to my 4-color Rashmi Consultation list. It's a naturally value-based deck, and tossing in Glint-horn Buccaneer as a backup wincon has felt pretty good, at least goldfishing (thanks covid).
Great video. Really good primer
Great video, great editing, great enthusiasm as always! One suggestion: I got the feeling that I was able to understand your points and how the deck works because I have been playing it myself, maybe you could include a little more explanation on how things work (rullings, interactions etc.) on some future deck techs. (For example, explaining how tandem lookout being a may ability is worse needed a bit more time, or how the 8-card discard actually works for those who don’t really know about these guys or Niv Mizzet). Great content, keep it up!
I had no interest in this deck tech, but I click on it, watch it, and enjoy it. I think you're in the right place. It's a big task being able to entertain, sitting on a bed, with all your cloths.
Joke apart, I don't know what are your career plan, but you should definitely pursuit this line of play!
Good deck tech, you should try the mutate line ! But seriously, adding Brain freeze is a great way to add another layer to this awesome duo !!!
I ve seen some lists with lore drakkis and apex of thunder(?)
What spells do you combo these with normally
@@NojaboyTalent it's your third layered combo in the decklist, i invited you to read my primer here : www.moxfield.com/decks/97rzAq7pJkS6HcNiDPy10A/Primer
Sick deck tech! Make more please!
love the deck tech! been super curious about this deck since ive seen you showcase it lately. if youd like to create more deck techs in the future, thatd be incredible!
Staggering Insight. WU
Enchantment - Aura
+1+1 Lifelink and a curiosity effect.
Nope. It reads "Whenever this creature deals COMBAT damage to a player, draw a card.” It won't activate the combo.
You could use Keen sense if you play green with curios combo though.
@@wood_carbuncle well shit...
Honestly this was a great video thanks
very helpful i was watching this tinkering around my rielle curiosity deck lol
I really like that your doing deck techs now. I'd also like to see ways that you might do a budget build of this as well
Love this video! Appreciate the walk through of all teh cards.. can we please get all the other decks dech tech (specifcally medium green!)
This video format is great. Please do more
Just build Blood Pod after watching yall play it a ton. Would love to see a video like this for it!
I dig this style of video and would like more videos of decks that you feel passionate about. Maybe having some of your guests also do a 5mins decktech of their pet cEDH deck could be an idea to help show off other creators to your audience.
Love the deck teck.
Nice man like Deck tech!!
finally some nice deck tech!
I made a more budget friendly slightly less competitive version of this deck and it's amazing.
Link?
Do you have a Link?
I don't have a link but it's the same except it's not rocking any of the 100-1500 dollars cards.
I'd really like to see you put a list together.
Liiiiiiist please :)
I like it!
I'm a fan of this content
Seems pretty fun. A bit over my budget and my playgroup but it's been fun watching your channel.
I think a very passable budget version of this deck can be made. Both commanders, Glinthorn, and the 3 curiousity effects could all be picked up for less the $5 total. From there, the deck is yours. Obviously, it has to be slower, but I think even one that presents a consistent turn 5 or 6 win could be made for less than $150.
Nice video enjoyed
Please do more deck techs if you can, absolutely love em :)
Also built this deck cos of you guys, not to the cedh level but still loads of fun
I see everyone talk about Ghostly Pilferer, but no one seems to notice Seasoned Hallowblade. It's the same cmc at 2 and its another free discard outlet, plus you can tutor for it with Recruiter of the Guard. It may be a good include to the deck
I love it!
nice deck tech perhaps try out Land Tax?
Fills up the hand quite well and makes sure u have a land drop ready every turn. :)
Man the sheer amount of your hand movements make Bernie Sanders envy :-D
I knew as soon as Brallin//Shabraz was spoiled that it was my new baby. I've experimented with so many variations, and mine is similar to yours, with a couple minor changes. I've added a few more counterspells and Baral because my meta deals heavily in the stack.
I just picked up an imperial recruiter for my list. Brallin and Shabraz is so fun.
Great video! Please do a deck tech on Najeela and Blood Pod at some time!!
This deck always looks so much fun to play when you play it. I'm surprised more lists dont run bazaar
Welcome to How to Win, where we tell you how to win. Hell yeah man bring on the deck techs lol
Finally, a JAWS cEDH deck tech!
We want more!
Please, Please, Please do a Kinnan deck tech :) I am new to cEDH and would love to hear about yalls Kinnan build
Ooh, deck tech!
I enjoy this format. Maybe a longer video would even be better. Or comparing your build with others.
Nice. Can we get a kinnan bonder prodigy deck tech next. My kinnana cedh is so klunky
I’m late as heck, but I like to run my bralin and shabraz very agro. I usually bring shabraz first with humans on board to give flying plus a bunch of draw and discard cards
what is your thought on adding boseiju, who shelters all somewhere in the mana base? What are your thoughts on tefari, master of time? He seems brokenly good and can help us discard cards? Any input welcome.
The list that the link takes me to is the suggested list on cedh database. not the one we see in the video
Honestly, I really like the 3mana-3damage boardsweeps. Much more flexible late game. Plus, I WANT the other players to over-extend. And, I've found, whoever is holding up interaction is usually not the same person that tapped out for dorks.
Have you thought about the new teferi, master of time for this deck? He helps combo decks cycle through a ton of cards to find their win, but he also procs both commander abilities with his +1, and he also doubles as removal. Also this deck seems like it’d be exceptionally good at preventing him from being attacked down. If you’ve tried him and didn’t like him, or you just haven’t really considered him yet - either way I’m interested to hear your thoughts on it!
That could work! Four mana is a lot
You should do TNT medium green Next!
I built a kenrith deck can u do one of these for him so I can find out what I missed or what I need to remove
Meltdown 🤏🏼
Very interesting deck tech lol I might have to play around with this bit hahah however question. My meta is TONS of Tasigur, Kess, and Underworld Breach decks...so should I add graveyard hate or just focus on being proactive?
My evaluation of building shabraz (as well the one of most of the guys in the discord server) is that we can’t really race consult decks efficiently since we are a turn slower most of the time (reaching to 8 cards is unexpectedly hard to do in a single turn alongside your winning cards, or if you have a discard outlet you need a 3-card combo). Imo, if your meta is consult heavy, I would go for a stax version, as the commanders can do it really effectively (huge beatsticks under stax provide another angle of attack). Slower builds allow you to reach back up to 8 cards with card advantage engines while being able to control the board through stax and counter magic. In the end of the day, test out and find the conclusion that works best for you!
AresOMegas yeah every deck in my meta is a consult deck lol currently I play Thrasios/Smasher as a bit of anti meta but losing turn 2 to consult sucks or getting out valued with tasigur kinda sucks haha but yeah, I agree with not trying to out speed but slow the game down! I still wanna try this deck out! Looks super fun
I run mine in high power as I'm lacking the expensive fast mana, I attempted to ask in a stream once, but what are your thoughts on Seasoned Hallowblade as an additional free discard outlet? only Recruiter of the Guard can tutor him out.
If you want a 3rd one, that’s probably the best option! I haven’t really wanted a third one yet
Do more deck techs plz
Hey Dylan and Cam, I'm a big fan from Brazil.
I used to play forfun edh and now started play Cedh with my playgroup.
What you think about Grim Flayer in Najeela's decklists?
Hey! Welcome, I do not think grim flayer is very good
Thanks! Play to win is best channel of Cedh! Great games and deckbuilding! Congratulations guys!
Dylan, what do you think of Hall of Heliod's Generosity instead of on of the 2 Island in this deck?
Building a version of this myself. The link you posted seems to have a different a slightly different deck than listed? Also, do you think echo of eons is a good sub for time twister?
It's not a good substitution. Echo is overcosted and just simply a bad replacement for twister. If you can't afford twister/don't use proxies use the next best card for the deck rather than a bad substitution.
Nothing is a good sub for twister, but sure that one will do something in the deck for sure
sure did post the wrong link. should be correct now!
Dylan, is Cam hitting a bong off screen?
Kept seeing smoke come in from your right(over your head.)
Lol no actually, i thought the same thing. it’s the reflection from trucks driving past on my street
"and now we're in my bed..." oh my
I bet you were so happy when ghostly pilferer got spoiled.
What can I put in my deck instead of the timetwister?
Day's Undoing
Echo of Eons
I was thinking in burning inquiry or some of the other mentions of the video
Echo of Eons works wonders, you can cast it for the timetwister cost out of the graveyard, so it’s a great card to discard
Thanks for inviting me into your bed.
has this deck been updated?????
You guys are great! Any idea when the donate to BLM will end?
you guys should do the best planeswalker commanders for cedh. like if you agree
Speaking of Cedh database, why tf did Jhoira the weatherlight captain get delisted?
Because she didn't meet the minimum power requirement to be in the database
@@xSwitchB1ade I don't think you know what you are talking about. She was there and then was dropped. Her power level is ridiculous... waaaay better than Teshar or Heliod. So,..?
@@iAMtunaFISH I was literally talking to cinestra when he was looking for feedback on which commanders to remove. I agree with you about heliod but hey, they want at least one deck of each color combo and he's the mono white one.
@@xSwitchB1ade it's kinda bs. Because with that logic they might as well remove all UBx decks since they all Thassa's Consult.
@@iAMtunaFISH They're all different decks that attack from different angles. We think Jhoira isn't up to scratch and consistently loses games to top tier pods without much if any resistance. If you think differently, come play on the discords and show Maynard, David and Cinestra that they're wrong.
Couldve made your bed😔
I don't know why I think this comment is hysterical.
Finger gun Tourette's?