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- MCN Senior Editor Matt Wildee was luck enough to ride the €100,000 V4 two-stroke Suter MMX500, and we think he enjoyed it.
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For whoever thinks its pointless for being so expensive...the bike wasn't meant for you, you don't get the point. This is a hand built prototype with top of the line components (similar to the BMW HP4 race), only the forks cost something like 20k
I personally like the fact that 2 stroke isn't dead and i love the concept..they tried to give 2 strokes the final touch of class showing the world what it is capable of. AWESOME
All the reasons 2 strokes are dead aren't mentioned in this video.
Hypersonik yes they did, for emission reasons it is not possibile to homologate big 2 strokes anymore, modern GP bikes have followed the trend (125->moto3, 250->moto2 etc), 4 strokes have been developed enough with modern technology to trump old 2 strokes and there's no point to investe in the technology anymore..
Marco Brotto what about the Husqvarna 2 strokes? I thought the New Husqvarna bikes would fit into the emission regulations.
I'm talking about road bikes..plenty of room for 2 strokes out of tarmac
Marco Brott
That noise brings back so many memories. It's a shame we can't smell it too
Hell yeah.
I literally can smell it through the monitor
come to Malaysia we have many 2-stroke like Yamaha RXZ 125Zr😂
i smell it everyday
@sprinter cepat bonk...from my 125z
Yessssssss. 2 stroke is life
Can’t get enough of that beautiful sound takes me back to my teens at Brands Hatch watching Sheene thank you Sutter for keeping 2 strokes alive 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
To the people that say just buy a standard bike and do it up, it would never be the same. This package is unmatchable the chance to ride this beast 576cc 2 stroke is uncomprehendable ... so light so quick try catch this in corners good luck.... if money is no issue why not... the ones with no money do the complaining but if they had the $$$$ their tone would change and make hypocrites of themselves..... 100%
Well said brother.
I'd give up a kidney to take it for a ride👍🇺🇸
Worth every Euro for sure
Till one crashes his
Ugh
Not to mention weight, or lack of it in case of the Suter.
AMAZING! Congratulations for the job! The SUTER MMX 500cc its SPECIAL.
2T Racing
If modern manufactures brought out a new version of the two strokes I grew up with except new 500cc bikes like the RGV NSR KR1s for the road they would sell like hotcakes. All parts top are available now from each manufacturer. Make a fuel injected two stroke put it together and sell it. What a riot!
It's hard for fuel injected four strokes to meet new emission regulations, a two stroke would be impossible, plus all the burning oil would ruin the catalytic convertors the four strokes use to comply with the regs.
Well KTM has already made reliable 2 strokes TPI engines. They just need to put it on street bike instead of dirt bike
Ayamcingcang there’s a huge difference in a dirt bike and a street legal motorcycle that also has to be reliable
Dead Doll look into Rotax etec. They are direct injected and have better emissions than four strokes...
I love 2 strokes,back in the 1980s H1 500 & H2 750 was the fastest bikes! That Suter is one sweet bike,and the sound and smell in bike Haven
For anyone that grew up with strokers this is pure biking porn!
1:56 - IN YOUR FACE FORMULA ONE...!!!
146kg fully fueled
@NoNoNoNii No wet is just with enough oil, breakfluid and gas so you can Turn it on not fully fueled
I just ordered one!!!
Somebody said this is expensive. This bike is about 127kg (280lb) and 195bhp.
£87k ($116k)
195bhp from a 576cc is a bit extreme, lets say they produce 165bhp reliably all day.
To further reduce cost they mass produce the bike and remove top of the line parts with common ones, which add 26kg (57lb) to the bike.
So in the end we have a reliable 153kg (337lb) 165bhp from a 576cc bike for about £28k
($32k) or possibly less.
Now lets say they produced a similar (and mass produced to drive down cost) 1000cc two stroke.
Just conservative estimates produce 175kg (385lb) 245bhp motorcycle for £35k
($40k) or less. "Exotic" ducatis command those prices these days.
Where is your 4 stroke now? Suter is still very exotic and worth its price. Most of the sticker price is just because its produced in small numbers and built by humans not robots anyway.
i wouldnt even mind them pullig it even more down to a 160kg 106hp road legal bike for say 25k
@@jesselopez0008 neither would but, it wont happen. EU control freaks wont allow 2stokes due to emissions
I bet building a custom carter to house 4 cylinders from high end moped engines, adapting the engine to a chassis, could be from a 600 then making the 4 custom exhausts will cost much less than buying this bike
I've seen V2 204cc moped engines and they all pull between 67 to 72hp, so imagine a 4 cyl
2 stroke is very hard to meet emission standards because of burning oil and unburnt fuel
"Why? Just to have fun" That's pretty much it.
love that noise....superb
2 stroke heaven!!!
I could legit sleep to the sound of this beast
KTM should make RC line up with new 2 strokes TPI engines
That sound.... enough to buy one if only i can afford 😀😀
the same exact day I win the lottery this will be in my garage I would buy a whole nother bike to ride to go get this and hire someone to ride the Ducati v4 back for me
I’ll have to buy 5 just to be on the safe side
Ian Lougher rides the Suter MX 500 in the TT
Amazing bike
Love to own one someday
For now my FZ8 wil do
TWO STOKE YES!!! YUM
I seen it at TT2016, was mega
Now this is a machine work of art certainly not pointless i bet the smell is mmm lush and a rush to boot i would love a go on this magnificent machine well done to suter she is beautiful
What a beast of a machine.
I would sell both kidneys for this bike!!
Wich type of oil was used? mixture ratio?
Looks and sounds beautiful…… ❤
5:40 Ronax 500?
Love to see a 2 stroke motogp event. Who else for it ????
I know right bring back the 500cc class
It's like having a Turbo charged bike but with less moving parts to work about. I don't own a 2 stroke but if I had a dedicated race bike I'd probably want a 2 stroke.
The Suter aside
THE LUCKY STRIKE SUZUKI #34 IS GORGEOUS
Hi everyone, I am looking for a diagram or an explanation of the 2 stroke engine that was used in motor bikes for racing. The engine has 1 or 2 exhaust valves that shut off to hold more in the compression stroke. This is different to the power valve. Thank you
What is up with the sound during the interview? Was the mic left in the workshop?
Plz god give us a race series!
1:27 knock down camera rig thats awesome!
Two stroke never die✌️
good tone good tone
What a bike...
People were lucky in the 80s/90s to have 250gp replica road bikes rgv/nsr/tzr/rs/kr1s/ superb bikes
If I was rich enough, I'll take two!
Had a rgv 250 awesome 2stroke
Okhay. Good jod 😍😍😍
What race class would in compete in??
Its not about the price, u are not buying this things because its fancy, its about passion and if I have that kind of money, no doubt I will buy it...
How does it compare to the NSR500?
this is good
If I win the lottery this will be in my garage 😂
The next level 2 stroke
Braaaap!!!
come on MCN, complete fail on the audio.
No kidding!
I'll give you that 2 stroke smoke is the best line in racing
what if they make 1000cc 2stroke bike?it should be more than 300hp. amazing power.
Depends on how many cylinders it has.
@@agentofenhanced2428 lets try 1 cylinder 2 stroke litrebike :)
@@mr_sowong9464 That would be really slow and im not sure it would even reach 200hp
@@agentofenhanced2428 imagine the low end kick tho
@@mr_sowong9464 it would be useless for racing
I'd kill to ride this just once.
Two-Stroke Till the End ❤️💥♨️💯
hope they make a 750cc soon
That or one of those rcv213v Honda love both but i'll have the two stroke
I love 2 strokes, it's a shame they're dying out because of reasons.
"The Weather has been Terrible here in ROCKINGHAM today" 😀 When was the last time U.K had some decent weather? Gosh it was so DEPRESSING out there !
Congratulations to Suter, it's an amazing engine for a lowcost price at this level. But everyone has to know what the current (2007) 2stroke level can do to day: http//:facebook.com/lucfoekema/media_set?set=a.1992436069636.77827.1805454134&type=3
If i ever win the lottery 👌💪🔥
I don't know why more bikes don't use a 2 stroke, to be honest. The major faults of the 2 stroke were its efficiency and its power curve. With modern fuel injectors the problem of intake air going out the exhaust isn't an issue - it no longer carries fuel as we aren't reliant on carbs. Indeed prototype 2 strokes are actually more efficient than prototype 4 strokes now as they aren't wasting so much energy on "useless" cycles. And with the many modern tools (electronic ignition timing, variable valve timing, throttle by wire, etc) the power curve can be fixed as Suter themselves seem to be demonstrating. For cars it offers a more efficient engine for maybe 20 years into the future, for motorbikes the mix of good efficiency and an amazing power for its size and weight really makes it the ideal engine for any sporting bike.
Putting that into a near-GP chassis just makes an absolute dream bike. Complaints of its price really miss the point - its fully race ready bike for less than the price of a mediocre performing supercar. Frankly they could easily have been charging 2-3 times the cost.
Awesome. I’d buy one if I had the spare cash.
One day I’m going to get one ☝️
My Father had Honda H100S, 2 stroke.. It was pure riding pleasure
I Fall in love
ERM it doesn't "fall on its side" due to the tyre profile, not because of the bike. Change the tyre profile and see what happens.
What category do you race this in?
It’s on the Isle of Man TT game so I assume it has raced there and possibly in other ‘Road Racing’ events.
Would be insane to ride, imagine the powerbands whip..... crazy
They said its pretty smooth
Is that jean claude juncker? wouldn't at all surprise me tbh
How much does it weight, fully fueled?
Andrew Shumate around 3 stone
280 lbs. I've read
Very cool. Couldn't you get Randy Mamola to do the track test? No telling how many high sides he'd have saved.
Hola gente nececito su ayuda
Soy un fanático del 2t, me gustaría estudiar una carrera específica en la creación de motores (no chasis, solo parte motor)
¿Que tengo que estudiar? ¿Ingeniería mecánica sirve, o hay alguna mejor opción?
El 2t está muerto, no pierdas tu tiempo.
@@viarnay no fue mi pregunta esa
1:06 what that bike with number 34 on it?
that was an old Suzuki rgv500 that kevin schwantz rode back in 1994. the other bike on the far right was an old pagett tt bike, could either be a nsr250 or nsr500v
What engine is that?
self made by suter i fhink, because this bike is so expensive
When you hear that noise and think it is just some kid dirt bike but then this monster show up and pass by you smoking your v8 car😅
These guys at suter need to develop an engine for a track car like a caterham, radical, KTM, BAC, ariel or lotus! I think a lower specific output might be necessary because with 4 wheels and increased weight you're gonna want more torque but I would imagine that a 1000-1500cc with 250-300hp could be amazing!
Now we need a turbo charged 500 Suter!
You can not turbo charge a 2 stroke effectively
@NoNoNoNii there is only 1 factory turbo 2 stroke snowmobile in the world and it is not even for sale yet, Summit 850 E-TEC Turbo
MMX500 king of 2t motorcycle
just wow, where's the 750 ?
If moto gp back to 500cc 2t
I may not be much of a fan, but 2 strokes sure are something. 500cc, nearing 200hp... powerband that could bend you over and give you a good spanking, but to me, it sounds like a kids toy. A deadly, deadly kids toy.
I'd be interested to know how they have fuel injection on a 2 stroke with crankshafts that need oil.
The oil is mixed with the fuel, and gets into the bearing with air/fuel gas. It's like a thin film laying on the moving parts.
They should make a hydro 2 stroke next
4 exhast pipes? im in
If I'm paying that much, I better be able to spec it with lights and indicators...
so this is what Christoph Waltz is doin in his spare time when he aint doin movies, hhmm
0:05 eargasim
188 hp from less than 600cc? How? What sorcery?
Cerebral Method 2 stroke
just by consuming the double of a 500 and producing around 20% more power and less tork (and burning oil in the process)
Read here to what level 2stroke can do to day: http//:facebook.com/lucfoekema/media_set?set=a.1992436069636.77827.1805454134&type=3
And much lighter than 4stroke 1000cc bike
@@geovani60624 Actually a 2 stroke makes more power AND TORQUE compared to an equivalent 4 stroke. You have to be in the powerband yes but with modern fuel injection and power valves I don't see why they can't bring them back.
u can also buy ronax 500
This channell should invest in better audio equipement.
No money left after buying fuel for this monster
Saya hanya bisa membayangkan,karna mutahil dapat memilikinya..
I guess there are some people out there who have the money to throw around on this...or no one would have taken the time and cost to develop it.
But it is NOT for me... It looks nice, but I could style up something with some time and some modelling clay, that I could stick on my low-cost Suzuki and still be in about the same weight area, and similar HP...for WAY LESS money! I could even style some exhausts that look like expansion chambers!
It looks like an Awesome Bike...but no more a 'match' for me than a Bugatti Veyron ...
Floyd Burdett The price comes from the race parts... FGR Forks, Suter Swingarm, Brembo Race Calipers, TTX Shock, adjustable race frame, Carbon chassis, direct injenction for 2 strokes released before KTM's + developed by a small company, race ECU, probably carbon fiber wheels, etc. Just the fact that this is a purchasable prototype makes 100k look like nothing.
I wasn't 'disputing' the costs... I am WELL aware of the costs involved, including finding the "just right" parts as well as the developmental costs and creating all the intricate parts and fitting all that together, etc. Heck, you should see my recent Bill for simply repairing/replacing some Stock Parts on my own bike! (frown)
I am just saying that there are Very Few who can reasonably afford such a bike, and even fewer who would be such 'fanatics' for 2-strokes that they actually Would spend that much for a 'street bike'...
Sort of like the VERY Limited 'market' for the Honda RC213V-S or the Kawasaki Supercharged H2 ...
Those few will more likely just keep them as "Collector Items" rather than actually riding and enjoying them.
And a LOT less speed... This is RACE bike, and if u want to see how much faster race bike is, check moto2 bikes, which uses 2007 600CBR RR engine. Same engine in race frame and suspension makes them a LOT faster as CBR...
if they stop producing it the prices will jack up 300%
I-m-p-r-e-s-s-i-v-e
Mcn team please make it upload video Ducati panigale 1299 r final edition
Great bike but your video production quality is pants. Look at what others do .. 44T, motorcyclist magazine etc ...
if I had the money I'd be pulling my hair out trying to choose between the RC213v and the 500MMX. I almost bought a ducati 1199 superleggra for $70k USA but it was uncomfortable as hell.
I'll give you everything I own including Aprilia RSV4 Factory and be homeless for this bike. Sure do miss my TZ750 and this would be a huge step up.
I dont really see the point but cool.
99.99% of the people watching this video can’t afford this bike