Oh and your plumber, fireman analogy I get what you're saying, but its wrong. In Cousy nem era they were playing plumbers and fireman forreal because the average player didnt get paid enough to survive the year in those days, so they got regular jobs during the off-season.
Yea that's true, but I'm still not gonna change what I said about firemen and plumbers today having the same skillset as Bob Cousy's era. Matter of fact our plumbers and firemen today might have a better left hand than Bob Cousy's era so they might have slightly better skillset than them
What centers today are stopping guys like Ewing, Robinson, Hakeem, Shaq, Mourning, M.Malone? Jokic? lmao... All these guys were extremely athletic and could shoot the middy too, except Shaq. Then you have uber athletic and skilled players on the wings like Jordan, Wilkins, Drexler, Dr.J, Iceman, G.Hill, Penny. Shooters that can score 20+ on you like Reggie, Richmond, Glen Rice, Dumars, Mulin. Guys with unstoppable scoring weapons like Wilt's finger roll and Kareem's skyhook. Shifty athletic guards that can shoot the ball like Hardaway, Isiah, Mark Price. Barkley, Kemp and Larry Johnson were literally more skilled versions of Zion. Also today's offense is much more freedom and guys are allowed to do things that were illegal or just weren't allowed back then. Players today would have to adapt to rules and playstyles of older generations, but you don't mention that cause you're biased. Imagine giving the talents of old school players modern medicine, nutrition and training of today. Jordan would literally have a 50+ vertical today🤣People of today's generation underestimate or are ignorant about how talented players were back then.
Now there’s nothing I can say about the centers back then, and the 90s had the best centers. That being said, I have two questions to ask. Aside from the centers, and players like Jordan and Larry Bird, Penny and Grant Hill, cause I said in the vid that there’s greats who can play in any era and then there’s greats who can’t. Do you think someone like Dr. J or George Gervin with the skill set they had then would be able to play in this era and be just as good as they were then? The second question is for our stars today, do you think if they go back in time with the skill sets they have now that they would be even better then than they are now?
Ok fair enough but this era who guarding Mike, who guarding Vince, who guarding Grant Hill, who guarding Patrick downlow, Who guarding Hakeem, who guarding Shaq, who guarding Pip ect I could go on and on. The player's you named has no defensive bag.
The Centers got it, 90s had the best centers so I got nothing to say about that and then for players like mike, vince, and hill, I said in the vid that there's greats who can play in any era and then there's greats who can't. The greats who have the skillset, like highly skilled back then can play in this era, so mike, vince, hill, penny, etc. I have no argument for them, and I was never arguing that in the first place. As far as Pip, I'm honestly not sure how'd he do in today's game cause he'll have a harder time guarding someone like Paul George, Kawhi Leonard, or KD than they would guarding him, cause like I said there's no hand checking any more. You gotta move them feet. So not sure how his lateral movement is, I gotta go back and see. Our scorers and defenders now are (and I say this respectfully) dominating in any era. That's just the evolution of the game. To go against us, the old school eras need someone out of their top 3 in their position to compete. We don't have to send someone out of our top 3 to dominate the old school era, we can send someone out of our top 15 of their position (except Centers) to go against them because the overall league is just more advanced then the previous era's and I'm talking eras before the 00s
And finally 😂, I keep hearing how much faster, bigger, stronger (don't agree), more skilled and athletic todays player are which I agree with yet two slow, unathletic, non strong somewhat skilled players are among the top players in the Nba. Some argue that they are the best Jokic and Doncic
Nah nah nah, Luka and Jokic wouldn't be where they are if they wasn't skilled. Because they're so slow is why they're so skilled. These are two highly skilled and high IQ men in their position. So even if they're not faster, bigger, or stronger, they're most certainly more skilled.
High Iq yes and I didn't say they weren't skilled but they are just as skilled as 90s players was my point. They don't shoot lights out, break ankles, jump out the building run like a deer. I'm thinking in terms of playing other elite player one on one. They would get cooked but in team form they're elite
Here's Real Talk Any Superstar from any era would be successful in any other era because the Superstars adapt. Put Harden...as an example...in the 60's and I guarantee these to be true: He gets you 20-something a game because there's no 3 pt line and his midrange is questionable. And most importantly, his step back is travelling so he would have to face up against all defenders. Would he still be a star? Yes. But not dropping 40 a game like you would think. Stars will be stars but the conditions would change. Also, keep in mind the health and training advantages each era had over the previous one. Bring Cousy to today and he would have a left hand because that would be standard. Arguing eras is pointless but I will leave you with this. By Gilbert's logic, every 20-30 years obsoletes the previous generation so then in 2055 we will have forgotten about Klay, Joker, Ja, etc...right?
I def get what you saying cause I use to think the same thing, so if you want to get technical about them having the same health and training resources we have and that they would adapt and stuff cause that would mean they played high school, college and all that in our time, then yea we’d be seeing a more advanced version of themselves. But that’s not what I’m saying, I’m saying have them time travel to now with the same skill set they have then and let’s so how they do now, cause folks saying they’d be just as good so they don’t have to switch up anything. Now for Harden, if he or any of the stars played in the 60s, I’d have to disagree with you about him making 20 something points. He can shoot wherever he’d like, just because there’s no 3 pointer doesn’t mean he still ain’t shooting from there, it’s just gonna be a real deep 2 and guess what? He gone be shooting a whole lot of those and he ain’t gotta step back or create separation because ain’t nobody gonna be out there with him, so he’s wide open every time. They had no defense compared to now so they’re just gonna camp in the paint cause they know going out there to guard harden is like being stranded on an island, they gone get cooked every single time and if harden want to, he can go straight into the paint. The only person he’d have to look out for in the paint and I mean the only person is Wilt cause he got insane athletic ability. So harden’s averaging 60 if he wants to and he wouldn’t even be going 100%. For Bob Cousy playing now, I’m saying if Cousy time traveled to now, he wouldn’t know what a smartphone is or Tesla or a smart tv or anything obviously, he’s in a whole new world. So if he thinks about picking up a ball to go hoop cause he thinking that bball hasn’t changed, then he’s sadly mistaken. He’s getting cooked and locked up, he’s just gonna be shook cause that’s how more advanced the overall sport has gotten. As far as the nba, yea he can say goodbye to that cause he’s not making the nba. So that’s what I’m saying if he time traveled here with the same exact skill set he had then, it’s a completely different story. There’s literally people who think 60s Bob Cousy is still comparable to today’s players. They last point you made about 2050, I agree cause that’s the evolution of the game, the same way the 90s can dominate the 60s or 70s, the same way we think we can dominate the 80s or 90s, is the same way 2050 think they can dominate us. That’s just how it goes
Lets keep it all real about Larry Bird and shooting the 3 pointers. They didn't practice shooting the 3 like they do now plus the line was further back. They have moved the line closer 2 or 3 times since Bird retired. I would only take Curry over Bird . Maybe im wrong but that's my opinion.
Oh and your plumber, fireman analogy I get what you're saying, but its wrong. In Cousy nem era they were playing plumbers and fireman forreal because the average player didnt get paid enough to survive the year in those days, so they got regular jobs during the off-season.
Yea that's true, but I'm still not gonna change what I said about firemen and plumbers today having the same skillset as Bob Cousy's era. Matter of fact our plumbers and firemen today might have a better left hand than Bob Cousy's era so they might have slightly better skillset than them
What centers today are stopping guys like Ewing, Robinson, Hakeem, Shaq, Mourning, M.Malone? Jokic? lmao... All these guys were extremely athletic and could shoot the middy too, except Shaq. Then you have uber athletic and skilled players on the wings like Jordan, Wilkins, Drexler, Dr.J, Iceman, G.Hill, Penny. Shooters that can score 20+ on you like Reggie, Richmond, Glen Rice, Dumars, Mulin. Guys with unstoppable scoring weapons like Wilt's finger roll and Kareem's skyhook. Shifty athletic guards that can shoot the ball like Hardaway, Isiah, Mark Price. Barkley, Kemp and Larry Johnson were literally more skilled versions of Zion. Also today's offense is much more freedom and guys are allowed to do things that were illegal or just weren't allowed back then. Players today would have to adapt to rules and playstyles of older generations, but you don't mention that cause you're biased. Imagine giving the talents of old school players modern medicine, nutrition and training of today. Jordan would literally have a 50+ vertical today🤣People of today's generation underestimate or are ignorant about how talented players were back then.
Now there’s nothing I can say about the centers back then, and the 90s had the best centers. That being said, I have two questions to ask. Aside from the centers, and players like Jordan and Larry Bird, Penny and Grant Hill, cause I said in the vid that there’s greats who can play in any era and then there’s greats who can’t. Do you think someone like Dr. J or George Gervin with the skill set they had then would be able to play in this era and be just as good as they were then?
The second question is for our stars today, do you think if they go back in time with the skill sets they have now that they would be even better then than they are now?
Ok fair enough but this era who guarding Mike, who guarding Vince, who guarding Grant Hill, who guarding Patrick downlow, Who guarding Hakeem, who guarding Shaq, who guarding Pip ect I could go on and on. The player's you named has no defensive bag.
The Centers got it, 90s had the best centers so I got nothing to say about that and then for players like mike, vince, and hill, I said in the vid that there's greats who can play in any era and then there's greats who can't. The greats who have the skillset, like highly skilled back then can play in this era, so mike, vince, hill, penny, etc. I have no argument for them, and I was never arguing that in the first place. As far as Pip, I'm honestly not sure how'd he do in today's game cause he'll have a harder time guarding someone like Paul George, Kawhi Leonard, or KD than they would guarding him, cause like I said there's no hand checking any more. You gotta move them feet. So not sure how his lateral movement is, I gotta go back and see.
Our scorers and defenders now are (and I say this respectfully) dominating in any era. That's just the evolution of the game. To go against us, the old school eras need someone out of their top 3 in their position to compete. We don't have to send someone out of our top 3 to dominate the old school era, we can send someone out of our top 15 of their position (except Centers) to go against them because the overall league is just more advanced then the previous era's and I'm talking eras before the 00s
And finally 😂, I keep hearing how much faster, bigger, stronger (don't agree), more skilled and athletic todays player are which I agree with yet two slow, unathletic, non strong somewhat skilled players are among the top players in the Nba. Some argue that they are the best Jokic and Doncic
Nah nah nah, Luka and Jokic wouldn't be where they are if they wasn't skilled. Because they're so slow is why they're so skilled. These are two highly skilled and high IQ men in their position. So even if they're not faster, bigger, or stronger, they're most certainly more skilled.
High Iq yes and I didn't say they weren't skilled but they are just as skilled as 90s players was my point. They don't shoot lights out, break ankles, jump out the building run like a deer. I'm thinking in terms of playing other elite player one on one. They would get cooked but in team form they're elite
You seem to not understand in today's NBA there is no defense
So help me understand, what era do you think has the best defense?
@@yojustmattearly 90s-early 2000s imo. Mutombo Ben Wallace Jordan Pippen Kobe that's Hella tough already
Here's Real Talk
Any Superstar from any era would be successful in any other era because the Superstars adapt. Put Harden...as an example...in the 60's and I guarantee these to be true:
He gets you 20-something a game because there's no 3 pt line and his midrange is questionable. And most importantly, his step back is travelling so he would have to face up against all defenders. Would he still be a star? Yes. But not dropping 40 a game like you would think. Stars will be stars but the conditions would change.
Also, keep in mind the health and training advantages each era had over the previous one. Bring Cousy to today and he would have a left hand because that would be standard.
Arguing eras is pointless but I will leave you with this. By Gilbert's logic, every 20-30 years obsoletes the previous generation so then in 2055 we will have forgotten about Klay, Joker, Ja, etc...right?
I def get what you saying cause I use to think the same thing, so if you want to get technical about them having the same health and training resources we have and that they would adapt and stuff cause that would mean they played high school, college and all that in our time, then yea we’d be seeing a more advanced version of themselves.
But that’s not what I’m saying, I’m saying have them time travel to now with the same skill set they have then and let’s so how they do now, cause folks saying they’d be just as good so they don’t have to switch up anything. Now for Harden, if he or any of the stars played in the 60s, I’d have to disagree with you about him making 20 something points. He can shoot wherever he’d like, just because there’s no 3 pointer doesn’t mean he still ain’t shooting from there, it’s just gonna be a real deep 2 and guess what? He gone be shooting a whole lot of those and he ain’t gotta step back or create separation because ain’t nobody gonna be out there with him, so he’s wide open every time. They had no defense compared to now so they’re just gonna camp in the paint cause they know going out there to guard harden is like being stranded on an island, they gone get cooked every single time and if harden want to, he can go straight into the paint. The only person he’d have to look out for in the paint and I mean the only person is Wilt cause he got insane athletic ability. So harden’s averaging 60 if he wants to and he wouldn’t even be going 100%.
For Bob Cousy playing now, I’m saying if Cousy time traveled to now, he wouldn’t know what a smartphone is or Tesla or a smart tv or anything obviously, he’s in a whole new world. So if he thinks about picking up a ball to go hoop cause he thinking that bball hasn’t changed, then he’s sadly mistaken. He’s getting cooked and locked up, he’s just gonna be shook cause that’s how more advanced the overall sport has gotten. As far as the nba, yea he can say goodbye to that cause he’s not making the nba. So that’s what I’m saying if he time traveled here with the same exact skill set he had then, it’s a completely different story. There’s literally people who think 60s Bob Cousy is still comparable to today’s players.
They last point you made about 2050, I agree cause that’s the evolution of the game, the same way the 90s can dominate the 60s or 70s, the same way we think we can dominate the 80s or 90s, is the same way 2050 think they can dominate us. That’s just how it goes
Lets keep it all real about Larry Bird and shooting the 3 pointers. They didn't practice shooting the 3 like they do now plus the line was further back. They have moved the line closer 2 or 3 times since Bird retired. I would only take Curry over Bird . Maybe im wrong but that's my opinion.