What are TERFs?
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- What are TERFs (trans-exclusionary radical feminists)? Let's look at the basics including second wave feminism, definitions, and more!`
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As an old 2nd-wave feminist, I want to offer that there never was any bra-burning as far as I know. It was a joke against feminists: the men were burning their draft cards, so the feminists were burning their bras. Also, we took on economic issues that narrowed women's lives, such as wives not being able to get credit without their husband's signature on the bank's forms, and the fact that a boss could say that he just didn't want women working in his office that there was no recourse, also it was fully believed that women were not as smart as men and that any woman who worked in a "man's job" was somehow suspicious and while it might not be obvious, something was terribly wrong with her. The sixties were a much more oppressive era than is acknowledged to have been. Thank you for letting me share some information about them.
Reminds me of the movie 9-5
I think feminism means something different in USA than Europe, as in Europe it only means fighting abuse and subjugation of women. Such as women didn't have as many rights and were less represented in their own country. It wasn't until recently women had the right to not be rped by her husband. In USA it seems to be a word those annoying men use, who spend too much time online being angry they can't trap a woman in an abusive relationship with no confdence so they spend a lot of time online being angry, swearing and calling women names, spending their time searching out examples of idiots who talk nonsense to say that's all women who want rights against men like them. Funny how they spend to much time online whinging against women, filling comment sections no matter what the subject as an excuse to whine on against feminists and saying what women should want, but no woman finds an abusive misogynist who feels threatened by women who have rights against them to be a turn on. I think men and women dislike each other more in USA than Europe. Such as women in USA who tell men they're disgusting if they haven't been circumcised doesn't do much for gender harmony, and also it's easy to find examples of idiots talking nonsense there because they think they're only country with free speech, so many talk nonsense for the sake of it and they realise what rest of world does with how annoying they are, so they blame each other
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Actually, I don't think you understand the people you are criticising.
I do not project hatred online at feminists, nor have a ever been abusive to a woman (I wouldn't agree with that stereotype either of anti feminists, most I hear from are very strict on Equality on Principle - such as equal standards on ethics).
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But I don't trust Feminists, even though for years I was one, feeling that that made me a good man and that "that is Equality". I suppose it was how I was raised.
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The consequence is that as a female, unless I really know you very well, there are potentially severe consequences to me trusting you, far more so than when my sexual harassment, if someone confronts it.
On top of that, I really, really, really don't want to support women's issues in anything at all while I know those same feminist will use men in that way. The reward is female approval (which I used to confuse with love) & avoiding anger, in exchange for being used for their own agenda.
I'm a woman entering the work force in the 90's. No one asked me my sexual preference. It was against the law. I am still a PERSON in the workforce. My personal life is NOT an issue for employment. Isn't this what we fought for with being sole independent women? I guess not.
Thinking about this concept during Women's History Month, I realized that a true achievement of women was the ability to compete against men in the workforce, while still retaining their duties as mothers and wives is extremely respectful. Imagine being the Nobel Prize awardee Marie Curie, making incredible contributions to the world of science (in Physics), while also still being a loving mother to her daughter Irène, is what I feel makes women' significant in our world.
Trans women will erase and remove all contributions made by women. And when they are done, no one could ever remember what women did in past history to achieve all they did to this date in 2023: because the trans activists and woke mob will have changed history (as they always do)
im laughing my ass off at the last paragraph youre retarded hahahaha@@terrancecloverfield6791
" Isn't this what we fought for with being sole independent women? "
Nop it isn't, you idiot. You might want to ask why the biggest feminist icons and publications of the 1960's were funded by the CIA. You idiots don't realize it, but the point of your "fight for equality" is so that the federal government could double the income tax from the population and so that television and radio could raise American children.
Nobody’s asking your sexual preference?
terrancecloverfield6791: me when I've been attending some very hard mental gymnastics(misinformation and mob scare mentality)intensive clases:
Acknowledging that trans women are a different category to biological women should not be controversial. Whilst I'm sure that they do exist I don't know anyone who would want to cause a trans person harm or even make them feel othered but Acknowledging the difference is just reality.
Lucy I was so glad when I read your message, I am a man who was brought up by strong women, 90 percent of my best friends were and are women; I prefer it that way. So I feel passionately about this; no lesbian should feel pressured to sleep with people who have a penis, that should be obvious but in the insane world of the trans activists it seems we're having to restate it. Why would a lesbian have sex with someone with a penis? Of course I believe everyone with gender dysphoria has the right to do what they feel is necessary. I have nothing against those people. But when trans rights threaten women's rights I will stand with sisterhood every time.
@@davidwolstenholme6413 But lesbians do use penis-like objects to have sex... So obviously they don't despise them just the fact they're attached to men :)
Woman isn’t a category. If you’re female, then you’re a women.
You have 4 replies to your comment. I clicked on them and they are blocked and will not display, so I guess 'reality' is a thing we fighting against.
@@pretzelandmustard I've just seen that they are not on display. I have no idea what they are/where and have not blocked anything so not sure if CZcams have done something or the author(s) did. I've no issue at all with debate...
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@cullrapists Yeah no
@cullrapists I'm an trans woman and this may come as a suprise but I dont really fall into stereotypes much. It's about body dysphoria and the disconnect of who we are not about liking stereotypically female things
@@vikuly8 Until the research comes through for uterus transplant and we're able to carry children like other women well be lacking and even then we still wont have the same experience. Going through the awkward second puberty of breast growth, fat redistribution, etc only gives a glimpse as to what someone AFAB has experienced. This doesnt however invalidate us in any way IMO.
@cullrapists You're disgusting and your outdated ideals of what it is to be a woman is horrendously hypocritical.
ConcreteMars There is NOTHING outdated in that a woman is biological. You probably havent read much - science or about the feminist struggle. The whole point was equality for the females.
I'm a proud radfem, and it's sad that people will look at that and think that trans people are my main reason for being a radical feminists when really gender issues are important to me but helping women who face abuse and rape are my top priorities
So...do you acknowledge trans identities and rights or not...?
@@christopherb501 yeah i got confused as well lol like most transwomen arent forced by their enviroment into prostitution
And raped and humilliated and killed, im sorry if you didnt mean it to sound the way it did, but the way it sounded was bassically im pro trans but i got more important things to focus on, as if trans women arent really the most vulnerable of female populations (black trans women in particular are at the end of the food chain) this is not to shame you but you have some privilege and as you ask white people to recognize theirs and man to recognize it as well being cis gender is easier
@@veronicasardo76 "as if trans women arent really the most vulnerable of female populations (black trans women in particular are at the end of the food chain"
...I think you might want to omit some negations in your sentence structure, person; "aren't" there really confuses your point...
Christopher B I would agree with you except at least black trans women get lgbtq backing in addiction to black cis straight women backing while cis straight women don’t get any backing from anyone not even other straight cis black woken
Feminism was rooted in the “female body” -imagine that!
The thing isn't that it should not be anymore, it is people pretending that trans womens bodies are not female bodies to, just in a different way.
TallysGreatest Fan I think there is an intelligent way consistent with biology to be inclusive, respectful, and equal in treatment of trans women without redefining being a woman. Trans women are trans women, and I support all of their equal rights, dignity and validity. But to say they are just women in the same way biological women are is an unnecessary dishonesty that does nothing good, even though it is well intentioned.
@@Hyzentley how can a male body be a female body? Who is pretending here? What kind of double thinking is that?
Julian Walker No you are not supporting so stop pretending
The traditional view of femininity is shit so we change it
And fuck you for saying we cant
Julian Walker why exactly do we need to hold up this distinction?
Sounds nice in theory to „not pretend“ and „not be dishonest“
but what does this mean in the real world?
The female experience is not monolithic. The way a white woman experiences sexism is different from the way a black woman does. A poor woman’s experience is different from a rich woman, this the same for trans women and cis woman. Different experiences does not invalidate the rich cis white woman experience of sexism but makes it different. My experience as a middle class black girl is not the same for another black girl in poverty. I have privileges for being a cis middle class woman, but it doesn’t change the fact that I am at the receiving end of racism and sexism. A gay white man experiences homophobia but can benefit from racism and sexism.
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I agree that the female experience is not monolithic, but reading between the lines of your subsequent statements, I'm afraid that for the most part, that's where our agreement ends. You see, I believe that all people, regardless of their gender, ethnicity, religion, or socioeconomic background, are individuals - and as such, have the potential to be good or bad neighbors (based upon their individual characteristics). And I would never presume that another individual, much less all - or even most - individuals shared my life experience solely because we we were of the same gender, and fell within the same ethnic and socioeconomic cubbyhole.
It's not the same at all. Trans activists use the struggle of black people as a comparison all the time to bring people to their side.
I've heard liberal white women saying things like "not allowing trans women in women's restrooms is the same as race segregated restrooms"/"if black women are allowed in women's sports, so should trans women"/"refusing to date a trans woman because she's trans is the same as not wanting to date black women". It's extremely offensive, dehumanizing and racist.
You can't say black women are the same as male bodied individuals
@James Wayne Run along and play your video games, Jamie. The grown ups are talking.
@James Wayne oh, sorry. I assumed from your comment that you were a teenage boy or twenty-something manchild living in your parents' basement.
What did you mean when you wrote that women are "between" men and children? Is that how you meant to phrase it? It sounds like you're talking about a sandwich.
@James Wayne Your example is one specific emotion called compassion, and women do have societal expectations placed upon them to be compassionate, whether it is innate or not. There are other emotions, like fear and anger, that some may assume are trigerring anti-imigration sentiment.
Your assertion rests on the assumption that logic and emotion are diametrically opposed, or that humans can ever truly be without emotional bias.
Also, I thought the immigration issue was mostly split along party lines, but I'd be interested in seeing data that showed it was sex-based.
I really like the ideology of radical feminism. Liberal feminism keeps on accepting everyone and by doing that it makes you think "then who is the oppressor if everyone is being accepted into feminism?"
That only really works out if you have no clue what you're talking about
LOL...Good grief...that is _so_ skirting the edge of the capitalist seeking an underclass to exploit, the autocrat seeking a boogeyman to exploit, I don't even know where to start...da FUQ, man??
Feminism is a liberation movement for women by women. Hence radical feminism is real feminism and this lady in the video has allowed her mind to be colonized my men pretenting to be women.
@Charlene MBARGA radical feminism is for all women. Not sure where you got the idea from that it is exclusive to black women. Lots of women of colour are radfems or GC.
@@thegardenofeve black women do not benefit from feminism so they are now womanist
i think it should be pointed out that the reason that 'TERFs' are not wanting to exclude trans women only because they don't see them as real women, but because they are genuinely concerned for the safety of women in sex segregated spaces like prisons and bathrooms. even if that stems from stereotypes, they are not doing it to hurt trans women, but to protect vulnerable women.
Then again, queer people are often hated on in general and their existence deliberately obscured in efforts to "protect" people, i.e. "Won't someone think of the children?!". Not sure I buy their excuse.
Ok well f terfs and f u
@@christopherb501 exactly. It’s a fake crime.
Like white nationalists don’t *actually* hate black people. The just think that to defend the white race they must live in separate spaces.
I call bullshit.
They don't consider trans women as women and are therefore exclusionary.
While I understand that Trans women don't feel safe in male bathrooms because men.....
It also could be that women have had to struggle to just merely be accepted as autonomous whole adults, now we have people who were born male/men just outhere invading spaces created for women by women (the standard definition). There is no debates about female to male transgender people but a whole lot of people born, mostly grown up men, trying to usurp spaces women have been fighting for?
Why should we have to continue to fight to maintain spaces we as women have fought to create?
Sometimes we just want to huddle share our lives experiences (in these bodies men have felt entitled to since our birth) in safe comfortable spaces with people who genuinely relate.
Just accept there are women and transwomen.
Dear lesbians: there is nothing wrong with being a lesbian. There is nothing wrong with your attractions. There is nothing wrong with embracing your authentic self on your own terms. It saddens me greatly that so many young women are being made to feel ashamed of who they are. How did the LGBT community become so homophobic?
@ZOEY BENZ - STUDENT what did I say that was transphobic? Do you think being gay = transphobic?
@ZOEY BENZ - STUDENT Why do you think I think that? I am simply trying to encourage lesbians that there is nothing wrong with being a lesbian, since apparently a lot of them are being told there is something bad about it, which really sucks. There's nothing wrong with being a lesbian. There's nothing wrong with being trans.
Is this supposed to be some nice way of saying that lesbians who love trans women aren't real lesbians
Cuz that is the only reason people say that anyone in the community is homophobic
well this is certainly a comment section
I have been called a TERF before. If someone wants me to use certain pronouns, I don’t mind at all! I have a son and have been very open with people about how if he ever wanted to socially transition, I’m fine with it. I personally don’t mind if they want to use the women’s bathrooms and locker rooms; but if a cis woman has experienced trauma or is uncomfortable with a trans woman in those spaces, who am I to tell her she is wrong? A big part of feminism is consent and fostering a culture where women feel comfortable expressing their boundaries. It feels hypocritical to shame a woman for being uncomfortable with spaces that are traditionally occupied by cis women to be used by trans women. I can also understand that trans women may not feel safe or comfortable in spaces traditionally occupied by cis men. I think it’s a grey area and not as black and white as everyone makes it out to be. I think the term TERF is thrown around a lot by people who don’t like that someone doesn’t hold the exact opinion as them. Just my two cents tho :)
How sad that a young lesbian has been shamed into feeling uncomfortable with the word 'lesbian'. How far back the new MRAs are sending us.
It is a real shame! I hope that those who define women by their biology like the antifeminists of the past shift their understanding, because it does cause distress to women and girls who think they're attracted to women, but are then told this only applies to some women. No one should have their lesbianism invalidated by being attracted to any kind of woman, it just fragments the various communities and causes a lot of pain.
I know a detransitioned woman who said that part of what lead them to identify as a man was the negativity around lesbians within the LGBT community. Sad.
If you weren't a bigot ruining the name of feminism lesbians wouldn't be uncomfortable
@@justtheouch it was feminists who defined women by biology, not anti-feminists. Its what the whole movement was about because women were not oppressed due to identifying as women but because of their biology. There are lots of books covering feminist history if you’d like to learn about. Women can be attracted to whoever they want.. but shouldn’t be made to feel shame for their hard wired sexual attraction.
the radfems (and everyone else w common sense) in the comments are giving me life
this ist so stupid. this is biological equvialent to flatearthers.
What other than the female body makes a woman? I dare you to come up with an answer not rooted in sexism. I'll wait.
gender is a construct, it's a made up cultural thing. what makes one feel like a woman is unique to the individual. if you don't understand why someone is trans listen to trans people, hear them out. just because you don't understand it doesn't mean it's not valid
@@spacebug1472 Yes, gender IS a construct, what does 'feeling' like a woman mean?
@ULGROTHA If that's the case, then a) there is no collective struggle or women's struggle since gender is an identity and a private issue 'unique to each person'; hence feminism cannot exist b) seeing gender oppression as a private issue which you tackle by adapting different identities leads to isolation and mental health issues. That deters women from uniting against the patriarchal oppression (cause it becomes their private problem, not a system). If womanhood can be anything to anyone then it means nothing - we use words because they carry collective meaning.
Genitals don't define a person. They define their biological sex. Assigning personalities and norms based on people's sex is sexism. Acknowledging that sex matters in understanding and tackling women's oppression is not.
@@falawave Then fight a cause for reproductive rights specifically on that basis. It's not a "women's" issue; with regards to hosting fetuses, it's a concern for anyone with a functioning uterus, not a gender issue. Trans men are a part of that specific struggle, as are nonbinaries and genderqueers and whatnot with wombs, just as much as cis women.
@@christopherb501 “hosting fetuses” lol downgrading women’s bodies to their role as hostesses for fetuses, as if pregnancy wasn’t a whole-compassing experience directly affecting women’s social status and well-being. all of those people are affected by pregnancy because they’re female. their gender identity doesn’t change that. the way they identify also doesn’t protect them from being discriminated against as females.
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There is nothing radical about being Terf. Terfs are normal.
So you don't know what terf means.
They are gross!
Bro you’re not even a feminist what are you on about? Go read feminist theory first then talk💀💀
So if a woman doesn’t want to be labelled terf we will label them a terf, but If a man wants to be called a female we will label him female, I’m in love with your logical consistency.
Racists don't like being labelled racists, but we still call them racists.
@@sophienicearnaigh3587 Not the same thing. Racists hate people for their skin color, something no one has control over. As a Black woman, I didn't say, "I feel like I am Black" and I didn't get surgery to make my skin color the way it is. I was born this way.
Transpeople have control over whether or not they want to force people to call them the gender they are not as well as getting the surgeries.
And people have no control over the their gender identity either. It's totally the same. And just as black people demand respectful language, so do trans people.
And what if skin colour were a choice? Do you think it would be ok to racist then? It's seems like that is what you're implying. Would be ok to say "Oh you've chosen to be black? Then I'll treat you like a piece of shit then!"
@@sophienicearnaigh3587 I'm not speaking about hypotheticals, I'm speaking about *REALITY*
In reality, race, gender, sex, and sexuality are states of *being* , so your argument is invalid.
It's like you want to argue that gender is a choice but want it to acknowledged as a state of being at the same time. Your argument makes absolutely no sense.
I'm only concluding that since you are trying to compare it to race.
Terfs are feminists with common sense.
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They actually lack common sense. They are not that smart.
@@iamproudofbeinganimescum.1562 And have remarkably bad senses of priorities, if they're ostensibly feminist, yet THIS is the biggest problem they can see.
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Terf is a misogynist term and it’s extremely antifeminist to refer to women who have basic boundaries that way. Sex is a biological reality and there is nothing you can say that will change that.
no.
godoka is dead ?
terf is not a slur neither is misogynist. it's the true. you exclude trans women and treat trans men as delusional freaks, so you're all being transphobics.
trans-exclusionary radical femminist. nothing misogynist there.
godoka is dead transwomen are men and transmen are women
low quality bait
I appreciate the articulate calm nature of this video. As someone who is working on but has difficulty remaining calm when passionate I admire you for the skill. I would love to see more about waves of feminism and specific movements. I also can't get over how awesome the hair color is
@cullrapists I don't understand this response...
Easy to be calm when you’ve been brainwashed
@@polyestermammoth740 shut up
@@polyestermammoth740 as if you haven't been brainwashed by terfs.
it's ironic and also quite telling that this video starts with them saying: "I realize and recognize that "terf" is considered a slur and is rejected as a descriptor by some people - but I PERSONALLY do not consider it a slur and it doesn't matter what THOSE people think anyways, so I'll still use the term, even if they find it offensive. I dont care what THEY want to be called or dont want to be called."
god forbid we use an accurate literal description that upsets the people who do not support people on the basis of them being trans
@@calosku I understand what you are saying - In line with my first comment, I want to point out that certain people would, with similar indignation, say: "God forbid we use an accurate literal description of biological features that upset the people who do not support OUR point of view." etc etc. (Me not being one of them. I will use whatever pronoun someone wants me to use and I have no patients for people complaining about having to use someone's prefered pronouns. Is literally such an easy thing to do.)
My point being: I think both sides are ideologically biased, both sides use similar arguments and both sides are affronted/hurt/feel threatened by similar things.
I didnt make that comment to imply "Trans people bad, Terf very good." Absolutely not.
I hold the personal opinion that you shouldn't meet hate with hate, disrespect with disrespect - and if you want to receive a certain treatment, you should be the first to show it to others. I'm aware that's not fair. I just think it's ironic. Starting a video about not being treated and respected in a certain way by showing a similar degree of disrespect... That's not helpful. (At least I think it isnt, but maybe there are other opinions...)
Granted, this is not a video that tries to bridge that gap and is addressed towards people who are already leaning towards one ideological side.
@@LittleLimm i think the argument that neither side is in the right would be okay if one side wasn't advocating for the human rights of a group of people and the other was saying they shouldn't be allowed to live the way they want, regardless of the fact that it's harming nobody
@@calosku I agree. I dont want to defend hard-core trans exclusionary people, in the slightest. English isnt my first language and I'm having trouble pinpointing what I'm trying to express. Like... I think many radical feminist feel like THEY are acutally the ones advocating for human rights and for the right for themselves the way they want - even if that sounds strange to some!
I dont want to argue (further, i already did, i'm aware...) with you, because I absolutely believe that anyone should be able to live the way they desire, as long as they dont harm anyone else by doing so. The longer I argue, the more it will probably seem like I'm unsupportive of this freedom. I'm not. I'm genuinely deluded enough to wish everybody could just let everybody else live in peace, spread flowers and love and sing gentle songs :D
terf isn’t a slur, literally they say they take it as a compliment
Biology doesn't care about your acronyms
Respecting people is the key to a happy life. They do what they want to. You do what you want to.
@@Tyler-dt7kj Trans women are not women
Humans are not humans
@@Tyler-dt7kj Humans are humans, but a male human will always be a male human no matter how aesthetically female he might look
@@JoeSims1776 You shouldn't have responded. That person doesn't realize how delusional and irrational they are being.
I'm sorry but this video is ridiculous. And I'll tell you why, and I'll be as respectful as I can. First off: anybody who says that biological sex is relevant in sexual orientation gets labeled a terf. You don't even have to be a feminist. I'm definetly not a feminist, nor a radfem, but I am a lesbian, and I am not willing to have sex with a transwoman or her penis, because I am a lesbian and that is not what I as a lesbian am attracted to. I am actually also for trans rights. I want trans people to be safe, have equal rights etc as long as they don't take other people's rights away and I respect a persons pronouns if they have treated me with respect too. But I (and many others) still get labeled a terf because we think biology matters in sexual orientation and in oppression of women in the world. Because it is true that globally biological women are experiencing sex based oppression for example FMG, forced marriage, not being able to go out without a male guardian, having to cover their body ect. But if you point this out, that transwomen would not be subject to these horrors, because they are biologically male, which is true, you are a terf. Secondly; if you get labeled a terf, wether or not you are a radfem or not, you get daily death and rape threats. I have been vocal about being supportive of trans rights, but because I think biology is important, and I said I would not have sex or a relationship with a transwoman, I get horrible messages about rape, death, that I should kill myself etc. And you can do a quick google seaech about this and you'll see that people actually do say horrible things about and to terfs. I don't think this is ok. And obviously people telling these things to trans people is also not ok, but I have not seen anywhere near the amount of threats towards transpeople, than these threats towards "terfs". Thirdly; the term terf is completely without meaning at this point, as I earlier pointed out, anybody that disagrees with what I call "gender ideology"(by that I mean the "queer" liberal ideology that many trans activist and liberal feminists hold, that ignored biology and advocates the cotton ceiling issue) gets labeled a terf, wwther or not they are feminists or not. So when you speak of "terfs", you are actually speaking of people who AGREE with trans rights, but recognise the importance of biological sex. I think that is extremely counter productive, since these people will be pushed away from defending trans rights, since they get so much hate online because they have been labeled a "terf". It would be much more productive to reach out to the people you consider terfs, and try to talk to them if you have an ossue with them, instead of demonising them. This is also why lesbian has become so closely associated with the term, because lesbians realise that it doesn't matter what the person identifies as, they will not have sex with a penis, and they have the right to not have sex with a penis.
Don't the majority of lesbians use penis-like objects in order to even have sex with eachother? I really don't understand why you have to isolate one body part as such an issue that you don't mind as long as it's rubber or plastic. There is a whole person there to love and grow with but all you can think about is how gross a man's dick is.
You realize there are women born with penises right? You do understand that intersex people exist? Are you going to just rule out these women because they have both genitals or one or the other? It sounds like you really just want to say that you have a problem with "males" and their genitalia, but again this isn't entirely true because you use objects that mimic that genitalia anyway. So maybe you just don't like men and stick with that rather than obsessing over their penises.
Yes, as a queer identifying biological woman I have been supportive of trans rights and dated a trans woman in 2022. But after the recent violence in New Zealand and the USA of trans woman towards women and children, I am wary towards transwomen .
Well said btw.
Thank you. Exactly what I want to say🤲
same with saying that anyone who says that two women or two men cant make babies is considered a homophobe. It's funny how similar your arguments are
Woman fighting for the rights of females and children
JK Rowling is right. When progressive politics has gone so far that you can't even say "mother" anymore, that's when it hit me.
Totally agree! Here’s my observation:
TERT
Trans-EXCLUSIVE(LY) Radical Trans-activist:
A person who claims that Trans people’s concerns must be GIVEN DOMINANCE while non-Trans people’s concerns are DISREGARDED.
Please give consideration & dialog to non-Trans concerns, instead of just labeling someone TERF to dismiss them.
TERF = Trans-Exclusionary Radical Feminist.
TERT= Trans-EXCLUSIVE Radical Trans-activist
Exactly all these terms and conditions and crap is ridiculous. Like seriously ages 13+ and up only 1.6mil identify as trans why is the rest of civilization catering to such a radical ideology that is chosen to go thru unlike say someone’s race.
If you are free to call people “terfs” then I am free to use trans identified men, it’s simple, and describes it as it is. I hope you look back in this video in years to come and are embarrassed for your younger self.
TERFs are bigots. 👌
@@maximo_lopez What do you think a woman is?
You literally don’t understand anything about radical feminism. Please, read more. Radfems don’t hate nor harrass transwomen, they just believe their fight belongs to transactivism and bot feminism. Our oppressions are different. Us, women, are oppressed because of our sex. Transwomen’s experiences are completely different than ours because they have been socialized as men.
(my english isn’t the best btw, so sorry)
@@besh6252 I'm not a native English speaker either. I didn't have a problem with your English, but the core concept that all women magically have the same issues growing up that all men can't understand. I have at many times experienced that neurotypical transwomen were a great deal more like neurotypical women, than what some of us (not most) neuroatypical women are like neurotypical women. This in childhood experiences as well as post transition. For me it never was a matter of life and death to pass as a woman unlike what too many transwomen horrifyingly have to deal with but I had extreme shame for not passing.
I didn't understand why I was so inherently wrong. Why puberty was so cruel and horrible to me making me look too much like a boy (I now know it was PCOS etc). I didn't "talk like a girl" nor did I "write like a girl" (because of autism and the way I was raised). That didn't bother me as much as not looking like a girl, especially the male pattern hairline (and the thinning of hair on the top center of my head), eyebrows, and body hair. It has taken me decades to understand what I need to do with my face and hair to make it look more female than male. Most of the knowledge I can thank transwomen CZcamsrs for. I also trained to move my face more like a stereotype woman than a stereotype manly man (as in training to have less mute eyebrows - which is something that isn't an issue for more feminine looking women unlike for someone who already looks more male than what they are comfortable with).
The variation within sexes is greater than the variation between them, and that is why I cannot accept that I get to be seen as woman just because I have XX genes while transwomen who are a great deal more like normal women than me get called men. I bleed every month, but not all XX women are born with a womb as birth defects is a thing, and they still get to be called women. Some XX women have extremely alien childhoods compared to most women, and they are still called women and not men despite being more different from the average woman than what the average transwoman is.
You have implied that the female body isn’t still a site for oppression? There is so much work on how it is, we haven’t entirely gotten over many sexist social imprisonments, we just have female only spaces thanks to second wave (and this is only taking a westernised privileged view of society). You also missed that ‘terfs’ is a slur widely used because of none of the statements you referred to, and didn’t distinguish all the different things that now come under transgender. You we’re talking about post op transitioners, yet so many ‘terfs’ take up no issue with these people (a minority perhaps that don’t represent), transgenders now under stonewall can be ‘cross dressers’, males who not long ago would have called themselves transvestites but now go under female according to this new ideology. Concerns about sexual predators are far less about transitioners, but the subgroup of self ID, and disingenuous males that might exploit this, for which there is significant evidence to warrant concern among females, without self id being implemented fully in the uk even, many of whom have been victim to sexual violence and therefore live in justifiably fear of males and it is not healthy to gas light about this concern. Also many transsexuals argue this loose bracket of self ids must not have the same gender dysphoria if they’re content with their sex. Many ‘terfs’ are attacked for stating the differences that still exist today between female and male experience today, and the permanent differences that will always exist (few things more true/timeless than sex, eg race gender class are social classifications) maybe you haven’t felt this discrimination, though I imagine you have, but no one can appropriate the specific experience of growing up in a black female body especially if they’re still male eg specific hyper sexualisation. These are all social facts unfortunately still present today. There is a lot less emphasis on the transitioners you refer to and the terf slur I’ve seen used at women merely for claiming gender is a social construct. It’s sad that feminism, which is founded on criticising sex based stereotypes or ‘gender’ can no longer point these out without being accused of actually hating every trans person. The idea that males without serious dysphoria/ still are present as male could redefine what it is to be a man within their own sex instead of appropriating females is seen as hateful, when in reality it comes from a place of thoughtfulness of all evidence, social constructions and risks
Transpeople are transpeople and there's nothing wrong with being a transperson.
Trans people isn't one word
Why would you write it like that?
Transpeople are people
@@Yetaxa its better then when people say transgenders tbh
Didn't know your feminism was male centered. Unsubscribed
If you don't centre the peen then you get called a "terf", but it's not a slur, oh no!
i actually was a terf... and i'm a trans man.
this was deep rooted in denial and internal transphobia. i'm so happy that i actually found the right path now. nice, informative video. i love your hair color😊
Thou hast found the path of righteousness and truth. Many years ago it was common for elderly bag ladies to pour blue dye on their heads: nice to see the old styles coming back into fashion.
Hang on you want to be called a trans "man".. why?. Why not just be called Fred.. or Mary? What is a man anyway?.. cause those stupid self entitled maniacs of the terf world want to eradicate man from their reality.. is that okay?. Should we allow that to take place? Here's my thing.. you have my respect.. I expect the respect I give will be at least appreciated.. if you don't respect me for what I am, then bugger off.. hahah.. simple. I have enough self respect to no longer seek manically to be the recipient of respect.. I simply don't need anyone else to vidate my existance .. because I really do have a genuine respect for myself.. I wasn't always feeling like that.. it took more than 30 years to rise up beyond my youthful stupidity.. but there ya go.. I can literally do what TF I want cause I'm not held back by consensus.. the problem with most younger folks is that no one now is allowed to call them out on their inane dumb arrogance.. and no shit.. you really think you got it sussed until you look back.. then cringey is the usual description of how you feel when recounting some of the things you once did and believed.. haha.. live and learn.. if you will no longer respect the life of others for their experiences etc. At least just to consider for a short time, genuinely, then a world of regrets could easily swamp you
Yoooo!!! Congrats!!
I’m a trans guy and I don’t think you should shy away from calling yourself a lesbian feminist or lesbian. You can’t let the bad ones have the name. You are a lesbian and you’re trans affirming and both can and should exist.
You will never be a man
@@atavism-dream He already is 🙄
@@atavism-dream he is and even better looking than you lol
My GF Is a Terf, and she doesnt fond it offensive
Hey! I've been called a terf for saying I'm attracted to - to put it in your terms - afab people. I've been cut out of someone's life, simply for not experiencing attraction to penises. I'm not oppressing trans women through not wishing to date them. I can't change that fact and telling me to re-examine my preference is actually exactly what one does in conversion therapy. The reason lesbian has such a "terfy connotation" as you say is because being a lesbian, as in a same-sex attracted female, is LITERALLY ENOUGH TO BE HAILED A TERF!
Late but hi I'm trans and that person is garbage. It's okay to have preferences.
@@ninad.3470 well I say my preference is cis men because I don't want anything to do with vaginas and I don't think I'll change my mind about that. I don't think we think the same of what the word meand but my point still stands. Only you can say what you're into and unless you go about it in a rude way I don't think it's transphobic. I don't want to date trans men but I don't think of them negatively as people.
@@ninad.3470 and well some people actually experience their sexuality changing so to say it can't is not really true, even though for a lot of people it definitely does not and it has not ever changed for me. I've also had basically the same preferences my whole life so I use the words interchangably.
@@Nameless-dw5nv Your sexual orientatiin doesn't change, one just hasn't figured it out yet. Especially in the teenage years, society puts a lot of pressure on people and some try to be heterosexual. I used to think I was bisexual because I wanted to be "normal", I didnt want to be a lesbian, so I made myself think I am one. A preference means, you're able to tolerate both things but you prefer one iver the other. Homosexuaks are exclusively same-sex attracted, so we don't prefer it over the other because we would literally not want to have anythinf to do sexually with the other sex
@@Nameless-dw5nv also The term "preference" is constantly used to tell us to "overthink our 'genital preferences'" because if we just exclude every transwoman because of their sex characteristics we dont see them as women, so we're being transphobic for being lesbians (being attracted to vaginas only). Preference implies that you can change your preference, and I've experienced it being used very similar to conversiin therapy rethoric
i had just learned this term today, I was called it. I simply said there are some issues that concern cis women rather than transwomen (like reproductive rights, and the western patriarchy that transwomen haven't personally had to deal with) while also stating multiple times that I support the trans community.
there are certain times we need to focus on issues that effect ciswomen and certain times we need to focus on issues of transwomen and the trans community... I don't think that pointing out that there is a difference classifies me as a transphobe or a terf
also couldn't TERF also be a slur or name for men and if that was the case why isn't there a similar word for men? would gay have the same connotation as lasbian if a gay man refused to date a transman? i just see so many holes
Yeah, this is why terfs often think it's a slur, because it's used basically as a silencer for women - you get called a terf and suddenly you're completely outcast in the social media world. The word is used far too liberally in my opinion.
Don't worry that doesn't make you a terf. Funny thing? Terfs have actually joined forces with the alt right that are constantly trying to take away their reproductive rights. They don't realize that the moment the alt right succeed in robbing trans people of their body autonomy cis women's reproductive rights are next. Insuring that trans people retain their rights over body autonomy insures ALL women retain their rights to body autonomy. The criminalization of trans women's bodies weaken the protections of cis women and their right to choose.
It's a house of cards, allow the protections of one group to fall and the rest fall as well. Along with gay rights too.
@@culthero666 some TERFs have actually really interacted with the alt right. a month or two ago i called out a person that's "super straight" then a self proclaimed radfem said terms like "sexual preference" so yeah there's some corellation with the alt right and the TERFs...
@@kepofk7545 I've seen it many times. It's the enemy of my enemy is my friend nonsense. They both hate trans people so they work together to try and rob trans people of body autonomy. I think the lesbian terfs simply don't care about reproductive rights because they don't think it well effect them but even lesbians are victims of rape so it can effect any woman regardless of sexuality.
If the alt right are successful in removing trans rights and reproductive rights fall after that then all women lose.
we need more terfs in the world, like if you agree
Perhaps instead sharing a string of stereotypes about a group of people, you should have a conversation with one.
We've tried. Anyone vocal about their anti-support of trans people has _bathed_ in the Kool-Aid; they ain't listening back.
@@christopherb501 ah, so the conversation didn't go well thus required that you name call and stereotype. 🙄
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@@DoctorMeh Hey, you doubt my experiences out of hand, as do the majority of TERFs with trans identities.
Also: _what_ namecalling and stereotyping??
Also also: that's one of _my_ go-to clips, for shame.
Imagine men dressing up as women telling women what to think, oh the irony
I once got called lesbianphobic for say I would date a trans woman. I am lesbian and I got called this by a straight girl.
a more appropriate term would be MERF: male exclusionary radical feminist
@ULGROTHA yeah
im a terf and proud
listen we get that you didnt go to college but we dont have to hear it okay?
@@Red-rg5ko I'm not even old enough to go to college lmao
@@x_ash_x4483 we know.
@@Red-rg5ko ok...?
okay..? you’re probably a middle schooler if anything, hopefully you’ll learn one day that you can be a radfem and understand how trans people are not against our cause but rather a big part of it.
Terf gang rise up.
The transgender identity law was banned at the last minute in Germany over fears it would be abused by men trying to get away with it. A German transgender identity law could allow men to change gender without a medical examination, and this could lead to increased violence in women's spaces. There have already been numerous high-profile incidents of men speaking out about being "transgender" in order to gain access to women's spaces, leading to murders and rapes. Good news.
What makes a woman, a woman?
And what makes a man, a man?
@@emv5884 it’s really not though 🤣
For me "be" woman and man is an invention
of the society... Some humans has dicks, some has pussys anyways... Maybe in 3089 the society will see it
@@kkkkustt9292 yes to me the rest is just personality
Someone who identifies as a woman, and someone who identifies as a man, respectively
It all depends on how they feel
When your argument is based on unscientific things I cannot agree with you at all. There is no sense in what you are saying.
Trans-women...you mean like...men?
@GAE FUJOSHI yes ❤️
No, as in women with a different lived experience (and sadly, far more fragile rights in society) than cis women. That's it.
Ms. Ellis, as a lesbian (I think?) is far more inclined to date trans women than trans men, as the former matches her orientation and the latter doesn't. For _you,_ if physical features a deal-breaker for you, than _communicate_ that at some point with your partner(s). Quit pretending that _your_ hang-ups match everyone else's.
Christopher B so like someone who says they’re a woman but every single biological indicator points to them being a man so in turn there are fact...a man?
@@MarcSamuels562 _That just means more care needs to be taken with their medical check-ups, and they reproduce in a different way. THAT'S. IT._ It's not even like ALL cis men or ALL cis women have _exactly_ the same biology anyway! Some have both sets of sex organs, some have different hormonal balances, some are more prone to different kinds of cancer, some are stronger than average, shorter than average, etc. Heck, _chromosomes_ aren't even a 100% guarantee of presenting as explicitly cis male/female anyway!
You know what _actually_ matters to other people with regards to trans identities? Compatibility of romance/sex if they're a possible partner, and if you're their doctor. THAT. IS. IT.
Christopher B so you mean like...science is still science regardless on your personal “feelings” about yourself? Like how men are actually men and women are actually women?
Transgenderism is just as naive an idea as, for example, if a 12 year old storms into he DMV and demands a drivers license because they “feel” like they’re 16...and then crying and making a childish scene when they’re told otherwise. It wouldn’t be discrimination not to play into such a person’s fantasy.
Respectfully, your comment about trans and cis women being like white and black women is dud. The only thing that ALL white and black women have in common is their biological womanhood. Cis and trans women don’t have anything universally in common but the presence of the letters in the label that make up the word “women”. It’s like saying basketball and speedball are both categories of ball.
To state meaningfully that trans women are women, you have to have a functional definition of ‘women’ for them and cis women to both actually semantically fit into. You can’t state that x is y if you can’t actually define y. Woman needs to be an objectively definable entity for anyone to use the term meaningfully and this is, I’m afraid, where the “trans women are women” thing hits a pretty massive stumbling block, because the only definition that anyone ever provides to back up the statement is that a woman is defined as “anyone that self-identifies as a woman”. But of course that is a circular statement - it doesn’t make any sense. It’s a definition of word x with word x in it. Nobody seems able to answer this. what IS a woman? How is woman being defined?
Should trans women be allowed to transition, have their social and legislative rights and dignities as human beings protected? Yes, a thousand times yes. Are they the same thing as women, where woman means, by a fairly universal consensus, “adult human female”? No. Thinking of oneself as something and looking like something by definition does not automatically make you that something. To be *like* an adult human female is not to *be* one. To have the neurological presentation of someone with gender dysphoria is not to have the neurological presentation of “a woman” or “a man”.
Also - speaking as a medical professional - no, the majority of trans women are *not* autogynephiles. But if you believe that none are, or believe that autogynephiles don’t exist in general, then I’m afraid you’re mistaken and are being terribly naive.
All very good points.
Here's a question for all the women out there who advocate for the rights of trans gender women to have full access to female-only spaces: would you and your young daughter be happy to share the use of public access showering facilities such as in a gym, sauna or swimming baths, with a self-ID'd trans gender woman who had not undergone any form of trans-related hormone treatment or trans-related surgery?
I'M GOING TO LIVE ON THE MOON !!!
Good, don't need you anyway 😂
You might be able to in a lot of years! :D NASA is planning to increase the thing to 1.6 billion dollars so they can make another crewed mission by 2024 and a longer one in 2028. Maybe you'll be one of the people that go!
Dude we are overpopulated so pls go
i can completely agree to this, men aren't women anybody who denies this is asking to be stupid!
You made me laugh! Have a good day sir!
It's funny how you don't hear much of this being issue with gay men and trans men. Like is there an equivalent of gay men who don't believe trans men are 'real men', and that you can't be a gay man if you're attracted to a trans man? Or don't want trans men in 'guy spaces' etc?
I would like to hear more about this subject.
There is: "TEHMs" or "trans exclusionary homosexual males". You don't hear about it as much because although many gay men hold this view, they don't speak about it online, they'll just simply refuse to get in a relationship/ sleep with trans men (afab).
You don't hear about it because they don't make a big fuss about it. They just keep it to themselves instead of making it their identity like terfs do.
Because they don’t force themselves onto men the way they do with women. It’s clear why.
Because trans men are not violent cos they are born women. Trans women however have the sexual aggression and strength of men. Men ate historically not as vulnerable as women.
When I first discovered I'm a lesbian, which was quite recent, I really tried to be super clear I'm not at all against trans people in any sense and that I don't want any drama with anyone about my sexuality or otherwise. But then I took a step back and realised I should not have to prove myself "worthy." My sexual orientation is my right, no matter what kinds of people it includes or excludes.
I used to think I was bisexual for many years prior, and took pride in "loving indiscriminately" regardless of people's gender and bio sex, as if that was some kind of feat. Well it's not, and I was terribly self-destructive. When I realised I'm only attracted to other bio women, you know what I thought? I thought "fuck, I'm a terf" and it scared me.
I did not choose to not be attracted to trans people. I only observe and come to the conclusion that I am not. That I'm a lesbian cause I'm only attracted to the same female bio sex as I have. And I'm not into trans women cause they're bio male. With that, I instantly felt alienated from the LGBT community as a whole. Why, I'm in the first letter of the acronym?! Well... people like this chick is part of the reason, to put it bluntly. I found a much more understanding and supportive lesbian community within radfem. Cause I realised it's not "terfs" I should be scared of, cause they're right and they focus on what's important. It's homophobes I should be angry at. Especially when they come from within the LGBT community, hiding behind trans activism.
Is it really the word "lesbian" that has gotten bad connotations these days cause of "terfs"? Or is it *being* a lesbian that has become vilified and demonised for the sake of validating trans women's genders? Cause I think it's the latter. Call me a transphobe if you wish, I don't care. If that's the price I have to pay for maintaining my bodily autonomy and preventing myself from getting even more traumatised by dick, *so be it.*
Denying trans people's entire identity is not the same thing as not wanting to date them. Stop being so defensive about who you are or aren't attracted to, and just calmly accept that while you are a lesbian, attracted to women, that these particular women are just not for you. You can maintain your own boundaries without putting others down.
I just want to be sure about your definition of "bio male". Would you date someone with Complete Androgen insensitivity syndrome? It is basically a XY person who is immune to testosterone, therefore was born with a vagina and goes through puberty as a regular girl.
@@PlatyNews You seem to have an over-simplistic understanding of intersex people. Not uncommon these days. What you're describing is what's known as an "XY female". They're bio female with an intersex condition. They're also extremely rare and the only people with a Y-chromosome that are considered bio female by medical standards, basically because they're born physically female with a vagina, and produce ovum (eggs, female gametes).
Same for "XX males" being the only people without a Y-chromosome to be considered bio male because they develope physically male and produce sperm. When it comes to all other intersex conditions, if they have a Y-chromosome they're bio male regardless of how many X-chromosomes additionally. So you really can't make any argument about trans people based on bringing up XY females, cause literally they're the one and only exception to the "chromosomes = bio sex" rule, and they are not at all comparable to a post-transition trans woman who has to medically acquire her female traits.
Yes, I would date an XY female intersex person, cause they're still bio female and have the kind of parts, since birth, that I'm attracted to. My definition of "bio male/female" is what parts they were born with, which aligns with chromosomes something like 99,9999% of the time, even if you take all other kinds of intersex people into account (such as XXY=male, etc), which medical science does. Perhaps you should check *your* definition of bio sex. Cause I'm pretty sure that if you'd tell an XY female that she's "bio male" she'd punch you in the face and you'd deserve it.
@@ryptoll4801 So you are like those dudes that say that will not date women who had boob jobs? Ok
@@PlatyNews That isn't comparable either. A full transition that changes the entire body from male to female same as a boob job on a bio female? In what world? You're reaching. A transition is not just a cosmetic change. Trans women don't become bio female by changing their bodies, so it's just not comparable to or the same as any kinds of cosmetic procedures or medical conditions that cis women may or may not have. But ofc I have a limit on that too. A boob job is fine, a face lift too, but 300 different procedures that drastically change a woman's looks until she just looks creepy? Nah, I'd be put off by that. But I still could have been into her before all those procedures so that's a preference of mine and not because of my sexual orientation. Cause that's the difference with trans women, they're simply not included in my attraction due to my sexual orientation, cause they're male. Not because they're a kind of women I just don't fancy. I'm only attracted to the same bio sex, which is what homosexual means, whether you like it or not. I don't have and can't feel any attraction to the opposite sex regardless of how female they look or act, and that's something I can't change, which is why this damn discussion is important.
Define 'woman'.
You first
Soft Anon Biological female of the human species.
@@AminTheMystic define what makes someone biologically female
Soft Anon I really shouldn't have to. As it is just explaining what biological difference means: genetic make up leading to different characteristics such as sexual organs, reproduction - bearing kids and producing eggs, differences in other organs and body in general. There is some well documented differences in brain and psychology but this is a shadowy area.
@@AminTheMystic If someone changed their genetics perfectly to fit your definition of women would they be a women?
Real life women standing up for their rights.
Transwomen are not women!
This is coming from someone who is not a even a feminist!
womanhood will always be linked to the body.
@ULGROTHA sure but honey there is no such things as woman or man brain. the mind is so much more complex than the mass structure of the brain, which is sex differenciated, the function of it and it's performance is due to learning, and gender paves the way each brain will be allowed to develop, the brain thrives on it's plasticity, human brains are made for learning, nothing else, nothing more
trans women suffer from misogyny, men don't check under your skirt before deciding to be hateful
The fact that some dude can take pills for 6 months and beat the shit out of a biological female in an MMA fight is terrifying. This type of insanity really shows how far our society has departed from the truth.
Trans-women are men who identify as transgender. Feminism is oriented to the rights and needs of women. This means that feminism would also include trans-men (women who identify as transgender). Language distortions are being used in trans-ideology to affirm that a man can be a woman simply by self-defining himself as one -- this is sexism.
Trans women are women and trans men are men. There are no language distortions other than your delusions.
Your comment makes 0 sense. Transmen are men and transwomen are women. I don't know what you're trying to say but it sounds rude.
@@shoe777 Biological facts are not 'rude'. In what sense is a man who self-defines as a woman, an actual woman? If any man can say he's a woman, then the word "woman" means nothing. Trans-ideology falls apart under the challenge of science, facts and rationality.
Why is it sexist?
@@clc2432 I understand you now and as a woman, go away lmao. Don't speak on women's rights and feminists.
LoL at the blue hair and glasses men's rights activist.
You go girl, men in frocks are applauding you
Trans woman are not woman
A lot of this is very intellectual dishonest. Attribute your quotes. Also, who are you speaking about when you speak about 'TERF's in positions of power? I can't think of a single one.
You keep saying the word woman... what does it mean?
gender is a social construct, at the end of the day it's all just words that we've assigned meaning to.
Moody Monday most of them kill themselves after the operation. Why do they kill themselves? Because taking hormones such as estrogen and castration effect your emotions and can lead to serious depression. Also, most of them end up regretting the decision but they cannot go back because they ruined their bodies.
Moody Monday It has nothing to do with being transgender? The reason they're taking the hormones is because they're claiming to be transgender so it has everything to do with it! No, it is not effective for the majority. It has an almost 50% suicide rate. No one is transgender. That is a madeup condition with no basis in reality. Some people like myself do not conform to stereotypical gender roles. I'm a lesbian, I don't wear girly clothes, I like guns and motorcycles. But I'm still a woman. You don't seem to get it. Acting "masculine" or "feminine" does not change your biology. Being a man or a woman isn't a feeling you get. It is determined by your chromosomes and these do not change. By saying that a man who does girly things and wears dresses is a woman is essentially erasing the definition of woman. It is meaningless now. It is only about conforming to a gender stereotype. That's bullshit. I'm still a woman even though I do not conform and they're still men no matter how frilly or fancy they costume themselves.
Sammy d no we’re not dumb, unfortunately, you are
ADULT. HUMAN. FEMALE.
The term *TERF* is not an insult.
We have reached *peak trans* .
💪
It's literally just a description, though. If you genuinely consider a very tame description like that to be an insult, then I don't know what to tell you. Go outside or something?
I LITERALLY don't consider it to be an insult!
First time I have seen one of your videos. Pretty good. I will let you know as a wave 2 that term is not the standard for our age range. Certainly at SDSU where I was in the 90s we discussing both gender and sexuality as spectrums to be respected.
The transgender identity law was banned at the last minute in Germany over fears it would be abused by men trying to get away with it. A German transgender identity law could allow men to change gender without a medical examination, and this could lead to increased violence in women's spaces. There have already been numerous high-profile incidents of men speaking out about being "transgender" in order to gain access to women's spaces, leading to murders and rapes.
The state prioritizes women's safety and comfort. Good news.
Could I ask you why you think we're currently in fourth wave feminism? I haven't been able to find out what the difference is between third and fourth wave feminism.
Hey, I know you were probably asking Rowan, but I myself was having trouble finding out the definition or perspective of fourth wave feminism. When Rowan mentioned fourth wave, I said to myself: "I thought we were still in third wave." From what I've gathered, I think it is a more "evolved" state of third wave, in the fact that technology and media play a big part in organizing and disseminating information/resources, as well as showing support. It also projects voices that would probably not have been heard prior to fourth wave feminism because of media. I think it also tackles issues of being pro-sex work and having protection/resources for sex workers, reproductive rights, transgender issues, increased intersectionality and inclusiveness, tackling body-shaming and providing resources for mental health, and providing resources for disabled women and making sure they have a seat at the table, as well as other topics. But I think there are also criticisms of fourth wave in that "Is internet activism real activism or is it just performative?" as well as criticism on call-out culture. But all in all, I think that fourth wave feminism is focused on intersectionality and inclusiveness as well as utilizing technology and media.
I mean, basically this haha- third wave is more the "girl power" era of the 90s/00s where feminism was aggressively self-defined-- 4th wave is still super nebulous, but people feel a shift has come. It'll be a thing that gets defined retrospectively I think. But yeah, the internet, widespread knowledge of intersectionality, the rise of the alt-right etc will probably all be part of it.
Thanks for the replies benji q and Rowan, that makes a lot of sense :)
basically the '4th wave' is a back lash and based on individual identity
@@benjiq4288 that's a great explanation! thanks a lot, I was confused about that as well!
What a time to be alive.
@Blank L Calling someone an idiot isn't going to make them see your side, lmao.
@Blank L so have schizophrenics. Does that mean the voices are real?
@@califtom weak analogy game
@@AshLey-gd4gz how so exactly? When your imagination doesn’t match up with reality it’s called a disorder. How is pretending men are women any different from pretending imaginary voices are real?
@@califtom you need to get a life and stop worrying so much about what other people do
Hey, would you consider doing videos on other types of feminism, mentioning positives, negatives, socio-historical context and consequences? I'm really interested in this topic and I haven't really seen anyone do videos on specific feminisms. I consider myself a hardcore feminist, so I'm kind of embarassed to admit that I don't know much about the different variations of feminism, but I guess I can't be the only one then?
I just did a lot of 'what type of feminist are you' quizzes and I got different answers out of all of them, so I think it's safe to say they're BS and I need to learn more so that I don't have to rely on BS like that.
The types of feminism the quizzes mentioned were: radical feminism, liberal feminism, black feminism, Marxist feminism, socialist feminism, essentialist feminism and cultural feminism.
Oooooo I might steal that idea, I recently found a book about it
jammvlogs yay! Do it!
Unfortunately the sisterhood of feminism rule book says you cannot question your 'sisters' , this is why such critical analysis work's of this type are hard to find. This is the downside of 'listen and believe' feminist thinking. This is also the major reason for feminism's lack of any sort of regulation, reflection, correction or control.
Guyz, If you can not think for yourselves, you can not be yourself. Quit looking for ways to be, and start being. You find yourself living a lie. Someone elses lie to beat all. Good luck with all that!
Oh! You should read up on transnational feminism. It kinda overarchs and studies/supports the diversity of women's movements and forms of feminism.
*transnational feminism =/= transfeminism - transfeminism is one of the many movements transnational feminism studies alongside radical, intersectional, socialist, marxist, cultural, ecological, black, seperatist, indigenous, religious, individualist, and liberal feminism.
Very interesting. While this isn't the place (I think) to discuss the gay male experience side of it, I've seen a more loosely-gathered version of this for gay trans men who are rejected due to having different genitals, which a lot of my fellow cis gay men can be very focused on when it comes to definition. The thing that gives me hope for all these conversations is that I see, as an older person, a lot of the conversations shifting to more openness as newer generations start talking.
xingcat
Will that ever change though? If I am attracted to penis and not vaginas how can I be expected to have satisfactory sex with someone who has a vagina? I have no control over this, I have an innate attraction to penis, and in fact this argument is scarily similar to those who promote conversion therapy (which I am assuming you are against). You are probably going to say that you or anyone could fall in love with someone who doesn't have the genitals that align with my orientation. I agree that is possible, but highly unlikely, love takes time and energy to develop. Is it then reasonable to ask someone to do this knowing they won't have sexual attraction to this person's genitals?
wschippr S, the thing there is that you're assuming trans men's genitals. Some have had bottom surgery to an extent that is very much like a cis man's. And also sure just don't date trans men if you're personally bothered by the history, but also it's not like conversion therapy for some people to be fine with different genitals. There is a level of social expectations for some people and it's fine to challenge that in a broader sense and it's not conversion therapy-esk. Attraction is not hyper-focused on genitals. That's a really charged accusation to make.
Ardin Rye
Reading comprehension isn't you're strong suit is it? This was specifically about trans men who do not have male genitalia. Saying that there's something wrong with a gay man because he doesn't want to date someone with a vagina and this should be "fixed" sounds pretty much like conversion therapy, like exactly like conversion therapy in fact. It is disturbing that this is coming from within the queer community considering that conversion therapy is still performed in most western nations.
Furthermore, even if you were right and a trans man does have bottom surgery, you are making a pretty big claim by saying that it's near identical to a cis males genitalia. That's just not true, phalloplasty is muuuuuuuch easier to do on a cisgender male and it still doesn't yield satisfactory results to most cis-males. It's to the point that most cosmetic surgeons just won't or will go to great lengths to convince a patient not to go through with it (this is due to inherent risk, such as losing sensation in an otherwise functional penis). Penis enhancing surgeries are pretty much useless and doctors try to talk patients out of them (outside of cutting a ligament that will give a cis male an inch if they're lucky). Metiodioplasty will leave the patient with a micropenis. Unfortunately, we just are not as far with FTM bottom surgery as we are with MTF. Most gay men I know that is the deal breaker, if we could make a fully functional penis they wouldn't care. However, we aren't there yet and to suggest otherwise is nonsense, just go look at the medical literature, we are still at least a few decades away from that.
wschipper S I'll ignore your ad hominem comment.
I am not at all saying that something is wrong with a gay cis man not wanting to date a trans man because he doesn't have the exact genitals he wants and expects and that the cis guy needs to be "fixed." I'm saying the individual can be self-reflective on why a biological penis is a must have, and if it is for that individual, cool. But there's a lot of unaddressed transphobia and cissexism taught in our society, so it's worth considering, and in general is something gay cis men need to deal with outside of the realm of dating, etc. I do recognize that people experience sexuality differently, and for some people, genitals are an important part; I personally don't experience that, but I've heard enough people express it to know that's something they experience and it's to be respected. It's when people make broad assumptions about trans people's genitals and broadly say they won't date trans people because of various assumptions based off of stereotypes that I draw the line. I know you weren't specifically bringing that up, but I mention it because it's relevant.
Also this idea that phalloplasty is leagues behind vaginoplasty just isn't true. There are complications with both and progress is begin made on both sides. Phalloplasty can produce penises very similar to cis men's, but yes, not exact. I don't think that it has to be completely exact, and that's probably where we're just going to disagree. People have different levels of what they can be attracted to. And yes, metiodioplasty results in essentially a micropenis, but that's also fine. The goal for many trans men isn't to basically be cis, and yeah, if some gay cis men aren't into it, cool. They can go fuck other guys.
We clearly know different gay cis men if it's a deal breaker for most of the ones you know since it isn't for most of the ones I know. Although I am curious: do you actually talk about it with the gay cis men you know? I've actually talked with a decent number myself and heard from other poeple that there are a decent number of gay cis men who don't have problems with trans men's different genitals.
As a biological gay man I can tell you hand on heart right now that if I went on a date with a man and it turned out he had a vagina... I would not be best pleased. I'm a gay man. I am in need of the dick. Vaginas aren't for me so keep yours away. Simple as that. I will not be made to feel bad because of it.
you feel uncomfortable calling yourself a lesbian cuz what?
Thank you for this
Feminism, from the latin for "don't read the comments"
Aww, diddums, did the mean ladies write true facts?
Many TERFs and transphobes here. Yikes.
"I can't argue with logic so I'll just ignore it and tell people to do the same"
@@herr_crustovsky "I can't argue with scientific evidence that trans people exist, so I'll just tell others to ignore them."
They are true feminists
No they aren't. They are more harmful to the feminist community than helpful.
im a terf
Same
Halo24481 I wish😿
@Halo24481 czcams.com/video/_n5E7feJHw0/video.html
Ewwwww
Me too #metoo
if you’re seeing this comment and you’re a transgender woman, i love you! don’t listen to the fake woke transphobes that tell you you’re anything other than a woman! you look beautiful today! have a lovely day!
J K Rowling for Queen of the World.
At 4:10, the topic of men dressing as women for arousal; it made me think about the BTK killer. He liked to dress up as a woman, tie himself up, and take pictures to replicate his female victims. There are people out there who get aroused by sick fanatisies, but to round up all transwomen in the same category is wrong!
and, sadly, hollywood's obsession with this trope means it's a lot of peoples' primary experience with gender nonconforming amabs. i think it's informed a lot of people's hostility towards trans women
Look up autogynephilia.
Most trans women appear to be autogynephilliacs. They are utterly consumed with their sex fetish of dressing up like a woman
I agree with them.
I love how her attitude to the fear of sexual predators around children is "roll eyes emotionless"
The depravity is strong with the transcult, unfortunately.
Yeah, becouse it’s bullshit
Off topic but I love your hair
It’s a wig
Would you have done this to a male youtuber? 🤔
@@britannia6080 why are you asking that
@@dunceface7105 Why are you asking me what I'm doing? 😏
@@britannia6080 why are you asking me asking you what you’re doing 😏
You articulate things so well! I wish I had that ability when it came to arguing with people about important topics like this.
no she does not... she does not even know the difference between a terf and a gender critical feminist... nor does she know diddly dick about the feminist movement and its history
@Jon Osterman funny is that i as a anti feminist have to constantly lecture them on their own shitty movement and its history :p
No she is just pushing Misogyny and lesphobia
@Proud Leftist pretty much everybody with a functional brain is critical towards unscientific stuff...
What?
terfs are queens tbh
Hmm, I suppose you're right. Be sure to tell Dave Chappelle that at some point, right on his social media; I'm certain he'd lo-oo-ove that.
Why is it radical to disagree with an opinion that contradicts scientific fact? Why is it okay to bash me for my beliefs solely because they contradict yours? Can’t we all just get along….
A lot of errors in this video. Please do not take any video with an opinion so so seriously without seeking a professional first. Every human must not put their radical ideas into other people's heads. Sheepdom is spreading
What errors?
Very funny that you call other people sheep while saying 'I disagree with this video so you shouldn't listen to it either'
"A professional."
I’m a proud terf!
I'm a proud feminist who believes trans women are women and that trans rights are human rights!! Like most feminists do.
@BELLAWTF they identify as women and are recognised as such by numerous health, human and scientific organisations!!
@@nataliekhanyola5669 Real women don't need to identify themselves as women. They just simply are women due to being born female.
@@nataliekhanyola5669 name those organizations please
How did I know what this girl's stance on "terfs" was going to be from the thumbnail??? I must be psychic.
Great vid, thanx. I'm a radical feminist and absolutely pro-trans. Have had friends who are trans and will always be supportive of them. It's very sad to know terfs have a voice...✌️ peace peeps 😘 xx
Angry Egalitarian I wouldn’t be talking about how others can’t get laid if I were you, because even just from your one comment, I can tell you’re probably a virgin, lmfao. How fucking pathetic do you have to be to name yourself “Angry Egalitarian” and spout off such disgusting vitriol at complete strangers? Is your whole personality just the fact that you’re an asshole? Like, is that your whole schtick? Dude that’s fucking boring lol
Like...she said “peace peeps” indicating that she’s a nice person who just wants us all to get along, and your response was THAT autistic screeching. Do you know how to interact with other human beings? Doesn’t seem like it.
They deserve a voice
Shut up traitor
@@poppymoon1165 You TERFs sure are a welcoming bunch.
Nothing wrong with being a TERF
I find the idea that 'woman' is just a category that men can identify into offensive. It does not fit with my experience .
According to my dad, If a feminist is against transwomen, then she's not really a feminist...
your dad is right!
Very true!
Your dad sounds like an idiot.
@@alexanderwigro7046 you sound like an idiot
@@kayleyarianator3128 says the idiot
Trans women are not women.
It kind of reminds me of something I read in the news a while ago about a women's shelter here in Toronto where they would not accept a trans woman as a social worker bc they thought she wouldn't be able to relate to cis women's life experiences... which made me wonder if the shelter even accepts trans women in?
In toronto they wont let you take you teenage son with you to escape an abusive father. And if you got an abusive mother? Well good luck with anything at all.
The old second-wave deleuth model is propagated on sexist ideas that deny a woman's agency to violence and a man's vulnerability to victimhood.
No surprise they refuse to help children or trans people because of their biology.
Ignited Canvas - which contradicts progressive ideology because men and women are presumed to be identical and interchangeable
Everyones experience are different, and ofc they can't fully know yet how it would be like to live in a female body.
We can only make the impression that they do.
Tia there are next to no men's shelters(feminists always do anything they can to shut them down or outright prevent them from starting up in the first place)
they can't relate to women. fact.
You’ve got some deep internalised misogyny going on here. Really sad to witness.
Jill Gardner how is that much misogyny
And a horrible hair dye, you forgot to mention
@@Envision_ Fucking troll
I can't wrap my head around being both a feminist and gender critical. This isn't like having a slice of cake and a slice of pie. It's like being for and against cake at the same time.
I'm not sure you know what either feminism or being gender critical are... 0.o
Please educate yourself.
I'll just ask one question I am 100% sure you won't be able to answer. What is a woman?
@@chetana6107 female biology is not an identity
@@chetana6107 what does identifying as a woman mean? What does it entail?
@@chetana6107 then why even have an identity? If it means nothing, and you can't describe it?
Someone with a female gender identity in adulthood.
@@rickshaw7404
Names are as meaningless as gender, but they are useful in similar ways. I can't study you to find out what makes you "rick shaw," and I can't study a woman to find out why she is a woman, but both have utility. They allow us to refer to people in ways that are correct for that individual, that recognise the person's ability to define for themselves the kind of life they want to live and don't force them to be seen in ways that feel wrong.
With this definition there will never be an argument over what someone's gender is, because what someone is and what they want to be seen as are synonymous. With any other defintion you open the way for you to see someone's gender as one thing and them to see their gender differently, creating an argument which isn't useful for anyone.
It doesn't bother you even a little that a bunch of men/people with penises can put on dresses and feel super comfortable calling themselves "lesbians," whereas you, an actual lesbian, no longer wants to use the term?
She can't think further than her blue bangs grow
Recently I tried to explain cultural appropriation to a white feminist who replied 'I bet you're OK with men appropriating the stereotype of a woman' i thought 'charming she's also a terf'.
Charming, so you're a misogynist!
Trans Women: Some of us are lesbians.
Terfs: No, you are straight mem praying on gay women.
Trans Women:*starts dating each other.*
Terfs: There has got to be a way to make myself the victim of this.
No seriously, please go do that. Leave us alone and date each other. We would love if that happened.
@@certaintraveler8284 Who is "us" people who don't want to date trans women but are somehow forced to do so?
@@certaintraveler8284 just out yourself as a terf and you will get your wish to only date other terfs.
@@gabrielamaya2964 lesbians who have trans women saying it's descrimination to not be let into their spaces. Who say "genital preference" aka homosexuality, is descrimination against them and they need to fix themselves.
Literally all we want is for you guys to stop trying to date or sleep with lesbians, or to get into our lesbian only spaces. That's all. Everywhere else, you're just a person like the rest of us, and we'll support you to live your life as true to yourself as you can.
LMFAO RileyJayDennis isn't reference for anything in this world, except as a misogynist.
I loved the video, but dont be ashamed of using the Lesbian label. Heterosexual men have done alot worse things to trans women, that doesnt mean that straight men who should stop calling themselves straight.
Ten years from now you'll look back on this and cringe. So young. So naive. And so inexperienced...
Beware of your own words.
Being a woman is not something that you identify as, it is just something that you are.
Debate me.
Gender and sex are different. Gender is something you can identify with as it is a sociological construct. Therefore, you can identify as such.
@@deathshade7death475 everything that has a name is a social construct.
Race is a social construct, can I identify as a different race?
@@rosa9865 that isn’t entirely correct, if you are implying sex is a social construct, then does that mean chromosomes are?
@Sangwoo the fact that we call people with penises men and people with vaginas women, is in itself a social construct.
I think many people don’t know the actual meaning of a social construct.
@@rosa9865 well no, sex is not a social construct and neither are things based off of material things. Race is based on material things. Gender is not.