So the battery could be charged using electricity sustainably produced from renewable wind farms. 🤔🤔 If only the was some kind of mechanism that could be used on boats to directly utilise the wind power.🤔 You know, some sort of pole system which you could hang material off to capture that wind power. 🤔🤔 Yep, I really think I'm on to something here!😉
200 miles... at six knots. These horrors are sailing boats for those who can't sail. Batteries have a 1/50 energy density/weight/bulk efficiency compared to diesel. If you don't like diesel, sail.
Hi Hugo, And thank you for this nice show of this Optima E10 that is a very nice day boat what you bring to us and it is all electric nice looks great I hope to see in the future a full tour on your chanel
I'd love to know the difference in price between automotive and marine-spec battery packs. For electric boats to succeed, a manufacturer must not blame the price of the battery for making the boat expensive.
I’m not sure his comment re: the cost of 2 (63kwh) marine spec batteries was anything but speculation. It’s a concept boat and the economics don’t seem to have been fully worked out. 125kwh is ~$80k, wholesale being less. Suppliers don’t seem to have distinct products that are marine grade. The biggest variation is batteries built as starter batteries that have direct current from an alternator. And thruster batteries can sometimes be different, but even then that’s often voltage differences from the house bank.
The electric hype the way the technology is right now will die down if the ease of charging and the problem of battery production and disposal is not solved!
And it won't be soon. The hype is being driven by governments forcing it down peoples throats because they can use it as a quick fix solution and make the mandates outside of their time in political office - this can will get continually pushed down the road. The governments can then blame the population for the pollution while continually turning a blind eye to their militaries, shipping and air companies, farming. The US military alone constitutes more pollution than most major cities.
Can you explain the difference with e-car batteries and e-boat batteries and why the boat ones are 10x the price of car batteries. Essentially they are identical so 🤷♂️
We know electric tenders are the way of the future, but like I've said before, they need to have something like a small outboard fitted with sharrow props or the newer high speed low drag props they come out with ,essentially a weedeater almost, but it runs on a battery pack from like a DeWalt or Milwaukee power tool set. The batteries are going to lose charge or drain too fast, and granted, most people on tender rides aren't going more than 5 or 10 knots away from the home yacht, you could still go further or something happens and you need to get home or in radio range. Having a plug in small motor or plugging directly into the boats power supply with a rechargeable battery pack makes the most sense. There are oars obviously but on a larger tender, trying to paddle home is almost impossible and trying to get guests to help is a sin and probably a disaster.
Ev has been used in boats since as far back as powered boats existed. It is only the "future" because that is what the governments of the world have decided is the quick "fix" for the environment without actually having to look at the vast ramifications of it. It is just another ecological disaster waiting to happen.
A decent journalist would amend the title of his video once the wildly misleading "error" had been pointed out several times by different viewers. The magazine editor has no excuse for failing to change it after publicly admitting it is misleading and in error. This is NOT "a full tour".
I have written a press release containing all the necessary buzzwords: revolutionary; way of the future; cutting edge technology; ecological mindfulness; radical engineering concept. It fails to mention: prototype is non-working; no proof of concept work has ever been done; no commercial supply of any components (batteries, chargers, motors) is guaranteed; no production facilities are available; no production funds are available. What imaginary cruising range should I claim (with no scientific basis or justifiable reason) to get you to visit my garden shed to see the 1/8 scale (or it might be 1/10 - depending on how I feel) boat-shape object made of modelling clay and polystyrene that I swear is the next big thing in electric boating ? If you prefer, I could whip up an electric flying car or a self-flying drone that looks really cool and futuristic - with all the stylish swoops and dramatic curves necessary to obscure the glaring lack of practical features that it would need to perform its mission... I could probably re-use most of the boat model for that... As professional journalists, you should know by now that the vast majority of these tech start-ups never see a single production example - and that is by design. These projects are aimed at gullible venture capitalists to invest in development, not at end-users to buy the product. So until there is an actual working prototype undergoing sea trials that correspond to the original performance claims, please stop wasting our time - we are not the target market for these boondoggles and white elephants.
I made it very clear that it is a prototype and doesn’t yet have a fully sorted business plan but the couple running it have invested a lot of their own time and money developing something a bit different which I thought viewers would be interested in seeing it. I quite understand if you are not one of them.
Meant to add that it is a working prototype that made its own way to the show and back but is currently using a simple shaftdrive electric motor rather than the bespoke electric sterndrive that is currently under development at RAD.
@@hugoandreae3785 So the most important component of the whole concept is not yet developed, let alone installed, and somebody else's commercially available motor / drive unit (of a completely different type !) is being used to make this thing move. I don't think you understand why that is not a positive thing to say. To illustrate how that makes this so much worse, let me correct my own press release: "I am developing a Dilithium Crystal Infinite Improbability Drive with Hyperspace Jump Technology that runs on Fairy Dust, emits as it's only waste The Elixor of Life in handy one litre recyclable cartons and pays you a pension when you retire. I drove the prototype to the show using a Petrol 2 Stroke Seagull Outboard because I haven't finished development yet. But please take me seriously." No, I don't think I will, and nor should anyone else, especially (and I cannot believe I have to say this again) A PROFESSIONAL JOURNALIST.
What was the point in highlighting this particular boat if you couldn't show us anything and it was 50% complete? It looks terribly plain not fitted out with anything. I would have waited to unveil a finished boat, nothing gained here unfortunately.
We will of course do a full tour and sea trial as and when there is a production model available but I don’t see any harm in showing off interesting concepts like this so long as we make it clear it’s still a prototype, albeit a working one.
@@hugoandreae3785 Why does the description of THIS VIDEO say "MBY editor Hugo Andreae takes us on a full tour of the Optima E10 electric boat." ? The propulsion system does not even exist yet. There is no interior cabin. The cockpit is incomplete. The batteries / charging system were not shown. And it definitely is not a "working prototype" if it uses someone else's commercially available drive unit. What, exactly did you show us apart from some bloke in a garden shed's fever dream based on slinging some random fibreglass at a second-hand speedboat he picked up on eBay ? If lovable eccentrics want to show off their crazy homebrew contraptions, I would be all for it (I love Merlin-engined cars and Batman vehicle replicas as much as anybody) - just stop pandering to the delusions of those that think their latest Heath Robinson machine is the future of transportation. And if they claim it has a Merlin engine, at least check it isn't really a 2 litre VW diesel.
@@RandomGuyRandomNumber I take your point re the description of this as a 'full' tour, I should have spotted that overly generous description. However, I disagree with your definition of a working prototype as almost all boats, production or prototype, use someone else's commercially available drive unit. They are planning to install a more efficient sterndrive unit at a later date but it is still a functioning prototype that drove to the show under its own power. Nor is it based on a secondhand speedboat, it is a bespoke design built from the ground up to maximise the efficiency of the electric drivetrain. Whether it proves to be a commercial success or not is another matter but I'm all for encouraging new ideas and giving people a chance to show them off. Nobody's forcing you to watch it!
@@MotorBoatYachting When you: Misrepresent what is being offered ("full tour"); Fail to exercise any journalistic integrity or judgement (baseless claims are allowed to pass un-remarked, e.g. A "starting price of £400,000" when you are informed there is no business plan and the boat is not yet for sale; 200 mile range when the propulsion unit is not even installed; "revolutionary" based on no evidence or even attempt at description of any technology at all); Completely misunderstand and misrepresent the term "working prototype"; That is tantamount to forcing me to watch - it's called CLICKBAIT, or MISINFORMATION or just plain lying. When the major part of what is being "offered" is a bespoke powertrain, the substitution of an existing powertrain of a completely different type (shafts versus stern-drive) means it is not a working prototype. It is barely more than a styling buck, especially when the incomplete cockpit and lack of interior cabin are taken into account. Not a single element of this boat is in anything remotely resembling "working" status: Propulsion system; control system; hull (shaft drive instead of stern-drive, remember ?); cockpit; cabin; production methods or facility - absolutely nothing is actually being tested in any meaningful sense. It's a styling buck that has been made mobile in order to trot it out to gullible VC's and journos who should know better. Installing that claimed "revolutionary" and "bespoke" drivetrain in an existing speedboat hull would make it a working prototype, however. You have it completely the wrong way round. But the person behind the project is not an electrical engineer or a naval architect, he is a soi-disant FRP production specialist, so unsurprisingly, he also has it the wrong way around. He has done the easy part (moulded some FRP), and all the tricky bits are TBD. Advertising a CZcams video on a commercial magazine's channel as a video by the Editor of that channel imposes more journalistic responsibility than some guy posting stuff that happens to interest him - you have a responsibility to exercise some judgement. If you don't wish to be held to a standard, then post on your own personal channel. "You don't have to watch it" is the laziest and most pathetic cop-out of a poor journalist.
Battery boats I think like the cars will have a very short life. One of the major Japanese car manufacturers has a hydrogen engine and hydrogen generating plants in production. They hope to have 800,000 hydrogen engine cars on the road in japan alone by 2025 and 1.5 million more the following year. I dont think it will be long till the hydrogen generating units are small enough to fit to a boat of a similar size powered by solar panels as the ground based ,stand alone units are. Hydrogen storage is no more dangerous the an the gas conversions we put in cars in the late 1970's early 1980's. With the proper installation and storage tank they should be 99% safe. Nothing is 100% regardless what manufactures say. I cannot ever remember a gas installation ever exploding or going on fire during my time in the trade.
Yup - hydrogen/ev hybrid will be the way forward. Batteries and battery manufacturing are horrible for the enviroment. We are still just digging up the ground for finitie natural resources to get these things made. Battery recycling has not caught up to demand. Western city power grids all over are held together with splices and never redone (know folks who work on them for major cities and all say if everyone went electric it would be toast) not to mention we need more power generation which then gets the activists all riled up despite them wanting EV's.
Hydrogen is a total red herring , uses 3x as much electricity to produce it and it’s nearly impossible to store safely. Currently using coal , gas to make it …totally wrong in so many ways but JCB and car companies brain washing ignorant folk into believing it’s green
Electric will be the future of dayboats.
At 6 knots, you may as well go back to sailing!😂😂😂
You’d still get there twice as fast without need to tack and jibe your way to your destination. 😂
No maintenance. Straight line autopilot. And nothing breaks. Sailboat maintenance is ridiculous. Throw on some solar panels and you never need a sail.
6 knots on a calm day means your motor sailing anyway.
@@TGoff-fz7yh 🎯🎯
So the battery could be charged using electricity sustainably produced from renewable wind farms. 🤔🤔 If only the was some kind of mechanism that could be used on boats to directly utilise the wind power.🤔 You know, some sort of pole system which you could hang material off to capture that wind power. 🤔🤔 Yep, I really think I'm on to something here!😉
Naw... that is crazy talk and could never work.
200 miles... at six knots. These horrors are sailing boats for those who can't sail.
Batteries have a 1/50 energy density/weight/bulk efficiency compared to diesel.
If you don't like diesel, sail.
Hi Hugo, And thank you for this nice show of this Optima E10 that is a very nice day boat what you bring to us and it is all electric nice looks great I hope to see in the future a full tour on your chanel
Thanks Manuel, we will post an update as and when there is a production model available
Love the range. But within the 200 miles if it rains, or someone needs the head, or with so much seating no one gets to sleep save maybe two?
I'd love to know the difference in price between automotive and marine-spec battery packs. For electric boats to succeed, a manufacturer must not blame the price of the battery for making the boat expensive.
I’m not sure his comment re: the cost of 2 (63kwh) marine spec batteries was anything but speculation. It’s a concept boat and the economics don’t seem to have been fully worked out. 125kwh is ~$80k, wholesale being less.
Suppliers don’t seem to have distinct products that are marine grade. The biggest variation is batteries built as starter batteries that have direct current from an alternator. And thruster batteries can sometimes be different, but even then that’s often voltage differences from the house bank.
Buying the batteries might be the equivalent of 5 years or more of fuel?
The electric hype the way the technology is right now will die down if the ease of charging and the problem of battery production and disposal is not solved!
🎯
And it won't be soon. The hype is being driven by governments forcing it down peoples throats because they can use it as a quick fix solution and make the mandates outside of their time in political office - this can will get continually pushed down the road. The governments can then blame the population for the pollution while continually turning a blind eye to their militaries, shipping and air companies, farming. The US military alone constitutes more pollution than most major cities.
Will wait for the finished version...
Electric toilet?! Sold! :P
Amazing i have an electric car at 82 will I see the electric boat
The hull form is a good idea, but who is the target audience for the boat? Maybe at 100K. 400K is ridiculous.
It's a run about made for going from a superyacht to shore.
Can you explain the difference with e-car batteries and e-boat batteries and why the boat ones are 10x the price of car batteries. Essentially they are identical so 🤷♂️
Because it's marine and marine everything costs more. Oh look a volvo v6? same engine minus some cooling parts as the car one but 4x more expensive.
yet another revolution. And it’s electric.
Sod off.
😊
Good effort Hugo - can’t have been easy touring a half finished boat 🥴
Personally, I don’t like anything about it.
We know electric tenders are the way of the future, but like I've said before, they need to have something like a small outboard fitted with sharrow props or the newer high speed low drag props they come out with ,essentially a weedeater almost, but it runs on a battery pack from like a DeWalt or Milwaukee power tool set. The batteries are going to lose charge or drain too fast, and granted, most people on tender rides aren't going more than 5 or 10 knots away from the home yacht, you could still go further or something happens and you need to get home or in radio range. Having a plug in small motor or plugging directly into the boats power supply with a rechargeable battery pack makes the most sense. There are oars obviously but on a larger tender, trying to paddle home is almost impossible and trying to get guests to help is a sin and probably a disaster.
Ev has been used in boats since as far back as powered boats existed. It is only the "future" because that is what the governments of the world have decided is the quick "fix" for the environment without actually having to look at the vast ramifications of it. It is just another ecological disaster waiting to happen.
How is a “stabilized monohull” any different from a trimaran…?
😄😄😄
Needs a hardtop with solar panels to charge batteries.
A decent journalist would amend the title of his video once the wildly misleading "error" had been pointed out several times by different viewers. The magazine editor has no excuse for failing to change it after publicly admitting it is misleading and in error.
This is NOT "a full tour".
That has now been changed
solid state baterrß 220 mioecrange
A superb boat, no limitations over traditional engines at all.
200 miles is more than you'd need for a boat that size.
It's limitation is speed, weight and having a battery pack that when it meets saltwater tends to have an explosive reaction in the worst of ways.
Wow! Let's hope Elon Musk gets involved with marine and Let's see how far we can go, Hugo!
You do know there are more people in the EV game then the scammer known as Musk. He is the worst type of person for the planet.
at least 300,000 pounds ex vat
I have written a press release containing all the necessary buzzwords: revolutionary; way of the future; cutting edge technology; ecological mindfulness; radical engineering concept.
It fails to mention: prototype is non-working; no proof of concept work has ever been done; no commercial supply of any components (batteries, chargers, motors) is guaranteed; no production facilities are available; no production funds are available.
What imaginary cruising range should I claim (with no scientific basis or justifiable reason) to get you to visit my garden shed to see the 1/8 scale (or it might be 1/10 - depending on how I feel) boat-shape object made of modelling clay and polystyrene that I swear is the next big thing in electric boating ? If you prefer, I could whip up an electric flying car or a self-flying drone that looks really cool and futuristic - with all the stylish swoops and dramatic curves necessary to obscure the glaring lack of practical features that it would need to perform its mission... I could probably re-use most of the boat model for that...
As professional journalists, you should know by now that the vast majority of these tech start-ups never see a single production example - and that is by design. These projects are aimed at gullible venture capitalists to invest in development, not at end-users to buy the product. So until there is an actual working prototype undergoing sea trials that correspond to the original performance claims, please stop wasting our time - we are not the target market for these boondoggles and white elephants.
I made it very clear that it is a prototype and doesn’t yet have a fully sorted business plan but the couple running it have invested a lot of their own time and money developing something a bit different which I thought viewers would be interested in seeing it. I quite understand if you are not one of them.
Meant to add that it is a working prototype that made its own way to the show and back but is currently using a simple shaftdrive electric motor rather than the bespoke electric sterndrive that is currently under development at RAD.
@@hugoandreae3785 So the most important component of the whole concept is not yet developed, let alone installed, and somebody else's commercially available motor / drive unit (of a completely different type !) is being used to make this thing move. I don't think you understand why that is not a positive thing to say.
To illustrate how that makes this so much worse, let me correct my own press release: "I am developing a Dilithium Crystal Infinite Improbability Drive with Hyperspace Jump Technology that runs on Fairy Dust, emits as it's only waste The Elixor of Life in handy one litre recyclable cartons and pays you a pension when you retire.
I drove the prototype to the show using a Petrol 2 Stroke Seagull Outboard because I haven't finished development yet. But please take me seriously."
No, I don't think I will, and nor should anyone else, especially (and I cannot believe I have to say this again) A PROFESSIONAL JOURNALIST.
Bit of a schmutz on the lens.
Yep, sorry I didn’t spot that at the time.
What was the point in highlighting this particular boat if you couldn't show us anything and it was 50% complete? It looks terribly plain not fitted out with anything. I would have waited to unveil a finished boat, nothing gained here unfortunately.
We will of course do a full tour and sea trial as and when there is a production model available but I don’t see any harm in showing off interesting concepts like this so long as we make it clear it’s still a prototype, albeit a working one.
@@hugoandreae3785 Why does the description of THIS VIDEO say "MBY editor Hugo Andreae takes us on a full tour of the Optima E10 electric boat." ?
The propulsion system does not even exist yet. There is no interior cabin. The cockpit is incomplete. The batteries / charging system were not shown. And it definitely is not a "working prototype" if it uses someone else's commercially available drive unit.
What, exactly did you show us apart from some bloke in a garden shed's fever dream based on slinging some random fibreglass at a second-hand speedboat he picked up on eBay ?
If lovable eccentrics want to show off their crazy homebrew contraptions, I would be all for it (I love Merlin-engined cars and Batman vehicle replicas as much as anybody) - just stop pandering to the delusions of those that think their latest Heath Robinson machine is the future of transportation. And if they claim it has a Merlin engine, at least check it isn't really a 2 litre VW diesel.
@@RandomGuyRandomNumber I take your point re the description of this as a 'full' tour, I should have spotted that overly generous description. However, I disagree with your definition of a working prototype as almost all boats, production or prototype, use someone else's commercially available drive unit. They are planning to install a more efficient sterndrive unit at a later date but it is still a functioning prototype that drove to the show under its own power. Nor is it based on a secondhand speedboat, it is a bespoke design built from the ground up to maximise the efficiency of the electric drivetrain. Whether it proves to be a commercial success or not is another matter but I'm all for encouraging new ideas and giving people a chance to show them off. Nobody's forcing you to watch it!
@@MotorBoatYachting When you:
Misrepresent what is being offered ("full tour");
Fail to exercise any journalistic integrity or judgement (baseless claims are allowed to pass un-remarked, e.g. A "starting price of £400,000" when you are informed there is no business plan and the boat is not yet for sale; 200 mile range when the propulsion unit is not even installed; "revolutionary" based on no evidence or even attempt at description of any technology at all);
Completely misunderstand and misrepresent the term "working prototype";
That is tantamount to forcing me to watch - it's called CLICKBAIT, or MISINFORMATION or just plain lying.
When the major part of what is being "offered" is a bespoke powertrain, the substitution of an existing powertrain of a completely different type (shafts versus stern-drive) means it is not a working prototype. It is barely more than a styling buck, especially when the incomplete cockpit and lack of interior cabin are taken into account. Not a single element of this boat is in anything remotely resembling "working" status: Propulsion system; control system; hull (shaft drive instead of stern-drive, remember ?); cockpit; cabin; production methods or facility - absolutely nothing is actually being tested in any meaningful sense. It's a styling buck that has been made mobile in order to trot it out to gullible VC's and journos who should know better.
Installing that claimed "revolutionary" and "bespoke" drivetrain in an existing speedboat hull would make it a working prototype, however. You have it completely the wrong way round. But the person behind the project is not an electrical engineer or a naval architect, he is a soi-disant FRP production specialist, so unsurprisingly, he also has it the wrong way around. He has done the easy part (moulded some FRP), and all the tricky bits are TBD.
Advertising a CZcams video on a commercial magazine's channel as a video by the Editor of that channel imposes more journalistic responsibility than some guy posting stuff that happens to interest him - you have a responsibility to exercise some judgement. If you don't wish to be held to a standard, then post on your own personal channel.
"You don't have to watch it" is the laziest and most pathetic cop-out of a poor journalist.
What a waste of time doing a video on this hasn't been finished and a prototype??
It is a toy, a VERY expensive toy.
Pointless
Battery boats I think like the cars will have a very short life. One of the major Japanese car manufacturers has a hydrogen engine and hydrogen generating plants in production. They hope to have 800,000 hydrogen engine cars on the road in japan alone by 2025 and 1.5 million more the following year. I dont think it will be long till the hydrogen generating units are small enough to fit to a boat of a similar size powered by solar panels as the ground based ,stand alone units are. Hydrogen storage is no more dangerous the an the gas conversions we put in cars in the late 1970's early 1980's. With the proper installation and storage tank they should be 99% safe. Nothing is 100% regardless what manufactures say. I cannot ever remember a gas installation ever exploding or going on fire during my time in the trade.
Hynova 40 is a hydrogen powered boat and its founder says they are taking orders. We shall see.
Yup - hydrogen/ev hybrid will be the way forward. Batteries and battery manufacturing are horrible for the enviroment. We are still just digging up the ground for finitie natural resources to get these things made. Battery recycling has not caught up to demand. Western city power grids all over are held together with splices and never redone (know folks who work on them for major cities and all say if everyone went electric it would be toast) not to mention we need more power generation which then gets the activists all riled up despite them wanting EV's.
Hydrogen is a total red herring , uses 3x as much electricity to produce it and it’s nearly impossible to store safely. Currently using coal , gas to make it …totally wrong in so many ways but JCB and car companies brain washing ignorant folk into believing it’s green
Beta male boat