The Devs Can't Balance OW2! Dev Q&A || Overwatch 2

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Komentáře • 115

  • @SoraTheKobold
    @SoraTheKobold Před rokem +180

    ok i know this has nothing to do with the video but that Symmetra tp'ing her team out of that mine field was some quick thinking i could not do lol

    • @hadesfist1017
      @hadesfist1017 Před rokem +9

      Was about to say the same thing, but they still got unlucky at the end getting picked off one by one.
      maybe one of the side doors would have been better or given them a better chance at fighting back?

  • @AllyMind5Star
    @AllyMind5Star Před rokem +189

    Blizzard uses to be a paragon of balance. Now, they can't get much right in that regard.

    • @Dunmuir
      @Dunmuir  Před rokem +29

      Honestly, ow balance has been rough for 5 years now

    • @Kaltar_
      @Kaltar_ Před rokem +3

      ​@@Dunmuir i think they meant before overwatch when Blizzard was still held in the highest of regards

    • @EnanoPancracio
      @EnanoPancracio Před rokem +3

      ​@@Kaltar_ even way before Overwatch, people have been complaining about the balance of WoW for almost 20 years now

    • @supersoaker317
      @supersoaker317 Před rokem +3

      Paragon of balance have you ever played a little known game called world of warcraft well usually only about 3 classes are runnable because they are so far better than the others that the others might as well not exist

    • @AllyMind5Star
      @AllyMind5Star Před rokem +2

      The days I thought of were the days of Warcraft 3, Diablo 2, and Starcraft 1. Maybe it was because I was a child playing those games, but I never thought the games were unfair (besides the fact that "balance" wasn't on my mind then). However, I still hold those games in higher regard for the care and attention on those games.
      Those people from those teams are all but just about completely gone, replaced by people who didn't build the franchises they were working on and had different vision for what the games should and could be. And game balance has clearly been a huge struggle.
      Maybe games like Overwatch and WoW are just that difficult to get right. Maybe the mathematics involved is becoming more and more difficult as more variables and possibilities are introduced. I try my best to be unaffected though, personally. It's just video games anyway.

  • @Ritsu13
    @Ritsu13 Před rokem +105

    They should hire someone that plays the game and understands what make’s characters good but still fun

    • @Dunmuir
      @Dunmuir  Před rokem +30

      They should hire me 😏 looool

    • @marcovangraan1066
      @marcovangraan1066 Před rokem +1

      ​@@Dunmuir I mean... yeah

    • @SM-ys8lw
      @SM-ys8lw Před rokem +2

      The problem is who would it be, because pros being the biggest influence in balance didn't work, that's for damn sure, you would need poeple who all know alot about the game, play it alot but are at different skill levels

    • @Connorsea
      @Connorsea Před rokem +1

      ​@@SM-ys8lw defo someone who knows a lot about metal ranks too like KarQ

  • @najeecoates4
    @najeecoates4 Před rokem +8

    Can’t believe this is however many days old and no one mentioned the perfect Intentional loop he made. Chefs kiss

  • @murderousduck
    @murderousduck Před rokem +9

    League of Legends did the exact same thing when balancing ARAM before. Balance was literally just "Deals X% more/less damage", "Heals are X% stronger/weaker", "Takes X% more/less damage". Very rarely were champions properly adjusted.
    Ziggs had like a 30% damage penalty and was still one of the strongest ARAM champions because of his design, but they refused to touch anything meaningful on him and kept on this numbers crusade for a few years.
    Finally at the end of last year they admitted this balance method was actually terrible and just made the game less fun. Sure it's easy to balance off of statistics, but it's never going to tackle how unfun something is to play against.

    • @Dunmuir
      @Dunmuir  Před rokem +4

      Fun should 100% be the most important thing, or really how painful it is to play against something. A fun but painful character like widowmaker is fun for 1 but painful for at least half the lobby

  • @VitrolicInsanity
    @VitrolicInsanity Před rokem +8

    I think their real problem is that they want to balance it out for both competitive and casual players which is tough because you can't please everyone.

  • @mockinbird2303
    @mockinbird2303 Před rokem +2

    Sometimes just dynamically changing the game can also keep it fun and interesting. If one or two characters stays meta a long time then it gets stale.

    • @gummostump4217
      @gummostump4217 Před rokem +2

      I think this is the ticket. I don't think true balance is possible in overwatch, let alone achevable. Tipping the scales every now and then is the next best thing, and much more easily done.

  • @oiedave
    @oiedave Před 7 měsíci +4

    What happened to this guy.. his vids were cool

    • @Dunmuir
      @Dunmuir  Před 7 měsíci +4

      tru what did happen to this guy 😔

    • @TwitchyMnM
      @TwitchyMnM Před 6 měsíci +1

      @@Dunmuirbro where'd you go lol
      bored of ow or something?

    • @Dunmuir
      @Dunmuir  Před 6 měsíci +1

      @@TwitchyMnM waiting on the next game I posted about on my community tab

  • @rioriorio17
    @rioriorio17 Před rokem +4

    Idk, right now OW 2 is amazing, it feels like you can literally play anything. The meta at pro level isn’t just 5 characters and it’s actually a pretty wide variety depending on the map, which is exactly what is good for balance. Map based metas

    • @Azdal
      @Azdal Před rokem +1

      You’re dreaming, Mei, Mcree, Ana, Kiriko.

  • @skinnychumpz007
    @skinnychumpz007 Před rokem +1

    L + skill issue + kick sand

  • @donovanholm
    @donovanholm Před rokem +1

    Honestly I think it's a great challenge to balance a game like Overwatch. With so many variables it gets to the point where there is always an inevitable imbalance with characters' abilities.
    I think constantly changing the game is what makes it fun. But to act like players won't always try to abuse any little powerful strategy would be acting blind.

  • @jayedgar1384
    @jayedgar1384 Před 10 měsíci +2

    I'm being completely honest when I say that I believe that _Paladins_, the overwatch clone that really wasn't meant to be an overwatch clone, is a more fun game.
    Every character is stupid and goofy. "What if talking tree" "What if French catgirl" "what if sentient bomb" and I genuinely believe it's a better balanced game. The difference, I believe, is that every character is mediocre. Every characters abilities are mostly utility, they kill kinda slowly and every ultimate is kinda shitty and every character regens passively when out of combat. What that ends up being is a game that's kinda clunky, fights are kinda slow and everyone can be in one enclosed area and survive for 30 seconds.
    But it makes for so much fun. The game is shitty, the characters are dumb, the gunplay and ability use is messy. But the game is 3 times as fun as overwatch
    Overwatch is a well made, professional game. But it's boring
    Paladins is an objectively shoddily made game. But it's still so so fun
    A lot of people default to overwatch because it's better made and more streamlined and they don't play paladins because it's cheap and clunky. Looks can be deceiving. Paladins is a more fun game

  • @Winner85
    @Winner85 Před rokem +2

    They have NO idea about balancing

  • @xJaydagreatest
    @xJaydagreatest Před rokem

    Overwatch 1 sombra was kinda alright but Overwatch 2 sombra got crazy buffed

  • @stevebrule3526
    @stevebrule3526 Před rokem +2

    most of your videos are great... this one is confusingly low quality

  • @p.4lvv
    @p.4lvv Před rokem +15

    everything is playable in overwatch 2 rn

    • @domicci4460
      @domicci4460 Před rokem +1

      Playable and viable are 2 completely different things. I could play sombra, sure, but will I get much value from her god No, I would be better off playing echo or tracer

    • @user-qo3re6ds2u
      @user-qo3re6ds2u Před rokem

      @@domicci4460 right now all the characters are viable but there are some characters that stand out. Widow, ball, and kiriko. Just because these characters are really really good, doesn’t make the other characters bad persay. It doesn’t take away from their value and utilities.

    • @dekustick6870
      @dekustick6870 Před rokem

      @@domicci4460 that seems more like a you thing

    • @domicci4460
      @domicci4460 Před rokem +1

      @DekuStick no this is just true in diamand and above if I play genji or sombra I would get infinitely more value from tracer who I'd just better even tho i can play amzing on genji and sombra I would still get a lot more value from tracer. Playable and viable are 2 different things and yes we dont have a brig making nothing else playable or viable out side goats but we are in a static meta tank is the most blanace role at the moment with only 1 playable but not all that viable tank dps has alot of playable but not viable dps and support is kinda just jacked and better then dps if you don't play passive. I am a support main we aren't weak and if people say they are they are just bad

    • @domicci4460
      @domicci4460 Před rokem +1

      @V and again no viable means can be played well in the meta playable means people who are good like above their teir in skill can play them such as genji and sombra or doom if you one trick you can make any hero look "viable"

  • @DNYLNY
    @DNYLNY Před rokem +4

    Tbh I feel that season 3 is the most balanced. As a brig main my only hard counter was junkrat and his one shot got nerfed so now I really only have to worry about pharah and she’s easy to avoid.

    • @treasuredquartz
      @treasuredquartz Před rokem +2

      Season 3 is the most balanced but that's because S1 - S2 were horrendously balanced. Every update since beta 1 has actively made the game worse until now with season 3.

    • @MimiHasBrainrot
      @MimiHasBrainrot Před rokem

      "As a brig main" I stopped reading

    • @Caderabumadrinha
      @Caderabumadrinha Před rokem

      Yeah but if a rat chases us its game over,every hero has its counter ,in our case its junkrat and phara,and I think its literally impossible to bslance this game

  • @raymondel-haddad7312
    @raymondel-haddad7312 Před rokem

    where has this guy been

  • @Stormii99
    @Stormii99 Před rokem

    They should hire people like flats, then take surveys from people in various ranks to decide on changes

  • @StardustZee
    @StardustZee Před rokem

    Honestly, i just hate getting randomly steamrolled by a random mccassidy and just random have this grenade stuck to my face.
    Like yeah, I play genji most of the time because i find him fun, or rein, i like the big funny hammer. But i have such a slow reaction time its like a 1/10 chance of me deflecting nade and even a 1/20 that i got it to stick to someome

  • @Sveta0003
    @Sveta0003 Před rokem

    how to change color in replays command? say please

  • @zachfogle3693
    @zachfogle3693 Před rokem +1

    Balance is perfect rn 🤷‍♂️

  • @jakobburns8880
    @jakobburns8880 Před 9 měsíci

    Why no uploads😢 you helped me out

  • @shs_89iyadg39
    @shs_89iyadg39 Před rokem

    They should either invest some money into employees to look into the overwatch community and see their over all opinions on things or make constant forums Abt certain agents that they feel it needs balance and make an option for is there any thing unbalanced

  • @juakored
    @juakored Před rokem

    They've not known what the fuck to do since 2016.

  • @napoo454
    @napoo454 Před rokem

    That sym tho

  • @rasenkiddxiv9365
    @rasenkiddxiv9365 Před rokem

    Ppl forget that a perfectly balanced game will get boring and really stagnates how much content they can add while blizzard is making a “meta” every season that way the game feels much more alive, yes they do struggle to balance sometimes but tbh for the most part most things have been pretty much balance except for a couple heroes who r above the rest but, that what a meta is

  • @destinyrichmond5686
    @destinyrichmond5686 Před rokem

    I feel like the games the most balanced it's been and pvp games will never be fully balanced. It's pretty much impossible. Especially with new heroes being added every six months

    • @VitrolicInsanity
      @VitrolicInsanity Před rokem +1

      They're also trying to balance it for casual gamers and competitive gamers, and thats really hard. You can't really please everyone.

    • @destinyrichmond5686
      @destinyrichmond5686 Před rokem

      @@VitrolicInsanity exactly

    • @The-hamster2471
      @The-hamster2471 Před rokem

      @@destinyrichmond5686 hope you never see the balance changes for season 4

    • @destinyrichmond5686
      @destinyrichmond5686 Před rokem

      @@The-hamster2471 poor goddamn ashe my man
      They are absolutely lying when they say that the ult charge thing was a bug I stg 💀

  • @thvles1039
    @thvles1039 Před rokem

    Shouldve never went to 5v5

  • @areman3054
    @areman3054 Před rokem

    Bruh it’s run by a “Small indie company”

  • @AmalgamJiena
    @AmalgamJiena Před rokem

    Solution? Uh.. stop.
    Blizzard, Go back to what you were doing in the april fools update cause that was genuinely the most fun I've had in overwatch in a good while

  • @carlitocash
    @carlitocash Před 8 měsíci +1

    Are you dead or did you give up on making videos

  • @Raxxer1993Q8
    @Raxxer1993Q8 Před rokem +3

    They did that sh*t to WoW, trying to make all classes seem/feel identical. In the end all classes lost their identity 😂
    Trash-non-gamer philosophy.

  • @megotodesu4369
    @megotodesu4369 Před rokem

    But isn't the game like probably in the most balanced state rn?

    • @gummostump4217
      @gummostump4217 Před rokem

      It's pretty good, but i remember some other times quite a bit more fondly, at least at my own meat-of-the-bell-curve rank.
      I honestly feel the game is best at low to medium ranks when it's bad at high ranks. GOATs, double shield, etc.

  • @AdrianGonzalez-sh7qm
    @AdrianGonzalez-sh7qm Před rokem +1

    I blame Esports.

  • @natethegamelord
    @natethegamelord Před rokem

    It goes to say that in terms of those who know the best about their game, it's those who play it day in and day out. A lot of times they take feedback from pros in the game, and those who know more about the game then they could ever. Blizz can only do so much, so understanding and learning more about balance from the community. They've been super open through the end of season 2 and 3, and have done pretty well for balancing so far. Makes me hopeful. It's a decisive issue, and one that falls into a grey area. Overwatch will never fully be balanced. It's just how it is. Blizz simply is working to do the best it can to make the experience balanced and fun for all players.

  • @imnottellingyoumyname3050
    @imnottellingyoumyname3050 Před 11 měsíci

    Hard disagree. The game is mostly balanced; very few heroes feel overtuned and a handful of heroes are objectively bad.
    Balance is totally fine imo.

  • @ethanhale2853
    @ethanhale2853 Před rokem +4

    Bro ! nobody cares about the statistics just need a badass open camping storylines , multiplayer up to 12v12 , open forge mode , wicked smooth graphics , and perfect voice acting #five rules to an Epic game.

    • @AnAverageGamer18
      @AnAverageGamer18 Před rokem +1

      You're delusional if you think that they'll spend that much money upgrading the game lol but I wish

    • @CZProductions
      @CZProductions Před rokem +4

      This reads like a TikTok comment lmao

    • @Dunmuir
      @Dunmuir  Před rokem

      Lol I dunno if that’s in ow2’s future 👀

  • @Deadlystlouis
    @Deadlystlouis Před rokem

    I think everyone forgets blizzard is ran and controlled by Microsoft now. So the devs hands are kinda tied because they are just trying to do things the Microsoft way and keep their jobs.

    • @gummostump4217
      @gummostump4217 Před rokem

      Is that deal even approved yet? If im not mistaken, acti-blizz is still firmly in charge, although that's not saying much, either.

  • @縣
    @縣 Před rokem

    I dont understand, do you mean for example that they nerf lets say Junkrat because his pickrate is high and expect players to play other characters or what

    • @greedisbad9890
      @greedisbad9890 Před rokem

      Yes
      They just based their nerf/buff with a statistics
      On paper that's sounds great but that's just creating more problem and not solving a problem
      I don't mind it tbh unless it just create unstoppable character where you have to pick that hero to win game

  • @BasedCritEnjoyer
    @BasedCritEnjoyer Před rokem

    Anybody who thinks the OW2 is unbalanced honestly just has a serious skill issue. Git gud 🤣🤣

  • @ARSO_N
    @ARSO_N Před rokem +4

    U a baddy fr no homo

  • @atrulyshiningpixel
    @atrulyshiningpixel Před rokem

    I znooze

  • @Localsomething
    @Localsomething Před rokem

    Sooo tf2

  • @cammac6243
    @cammac6243 Před rokem +1

    What’s unbalanced rn besides sombra?

  • @SaLaJim1010
    @SaLaJim1010 Před rokem

    Omg its y2k

  • @landoctopi6708
    @landoctopi6708 Před rokem

    Your bronze, aren't you?

    • @monkeyman3847
      @monkeyman3847 Před rokem +17

      He’s not. do you even know what you’re talking about?

    • @MaskeReiign
      @MaskeReiign Před rokem +9

      *You're

    • @CZProductions
      @CZProductions Před rokem +9

      He's literally top 500 bro stop looking in the mirror lol

    • @landoctopi6708
      @landoctopi6708 Před rokem

      @CZ Productions dam he really do just want to start shit for no reason then lmao

    • @CZProductions
      @CZProductions Před rokem +8

      @@landoctopi6708 The Best players in the world know the game the best. They have more hours in the game than even the devs, by a long shot. They know how to balance things much better (at least at the high level) than a dev.

  • @Zeledon838
    @Zeledon838 Před rokem

    Tf are you even talking about