I love Mike Tyson he is my favourite Heavyweight but Evander Holyfield was the real deal he fought the best and never dodge any man TYSON DOUGLAS LEWIS BOWIE FOREMAN HOLMES MERCER MOORER BYRD what a récord
El Ivan actually no! Lewis had a way better resume’ than Tyson! Holyfield had the best of all of em w his list he fought but Lewis was right behind him!
How dare Holyfield down play James Toney like that. Talking about he didn’t fill those punches. He got totally broke off plus Toney wasn’t much younger than him only 6yrs. I’m not just saying this because I’m also a Detroiter. Michigan just has the best fighters in history period
@MALA2243 Only way you can say that shit is if you put Holyfield in prison the same 3 years as Tyson an took boxing out both their lives for that amount of time. Just saying that Tyson turned down a fight doesn't be prove shit. Any time you slam the breaks on a fighter for any amount of time, they ain't gone step out and hit the gas like nothin changed. Especially 1, 2, 3, years I mean come on man.
@@soitsanightmare Yah, right I hear ya shitz. An I spose Tyson threw just as many head butts like ole chrome dome to huh? An wtf does prime have to do with shit idiot? 3 years in the pen an then we getting close to level playing field. Period, earlier fight different out come. Holyfield was a damn good counter puncher. One of the best, but he never fought the best version of Tyson. Do your homework idiot@ !
i think if toney puts his right cross to work (one of his bes punches) then he can land the knock out. notice holyfield and lewis knocked mike tyson out with the right cross
@@stephenmacdonald76 There was a lot to gain for both. Holyfield was trying to regain the heavyweight title at an old age like Foreman did, and Toney was trying to fight for the heavyweight title as well
@@MrCleven509 I think your missing my point Its a fight he was expected to win and it was much higher risk than he expected, he would not have got any credit for beating an ex midnight where as for toney there was loads to gain beat one of the most dominant heavyweight of 90s, so in terms of boxing record there was very little to gain for holyfield and it was a bit of bad matchmaking on his part
Anybody who picks James Toney has truly forgotten how destructive Mike Tyson was ‘86-‘91!! Toney’s shots would have been like bee stings on a prime Mike Tyson! Prime Holy destroys Toney aswell! Holy was way past it at that point! The Tyson that beat Spinks vs the Holy that beat Bowe! Now that’s a fight!!
Toney was deoppednonce in like 80 fights. Beat Holyfield. Tyson would have gotten pieced up. Especially 20 years ago when tyson fought Lennox Toney would have killed him. Toney accomplished more in the sport. Really tyson should even be in the same sentence as Holyfield and Toney. Sure tyson was special. He peaked At 21 years old. No version of tyson would blow through Toney
@@oldironsides4107 Toney wasn't a heavyweight. His best years were at 160 and 168. Tyson in his prime would've been too much for Toney to handle, in terms of his hand speed, head movement, fast combinations and power.
Toney and tyson fought at hw at the same time. Toney would have absolutely schooled him. We’re not talking about one guy gets to go back to his best day. But what would have happened when they were still top hw.
@Liam Keogh Tyson doesn't get the respect and credit for being a phenomenal fighter. You can be a victim of your own success. He made some of his fights look easy. Spinks was an accomplished fighter, but because he was blown away in one round, people doubt his credibility.
True coment styles make fights,that match up perfect example I.M.O Mike's peek a boo style and footwork speed etc to relentless for majority back then bar Holyfeilds or Lewis post prime arguably tho
Pauly is blind..Tyson hit Spinks with a perfect left hook followed by a right hook to the ribs for the first knockdown...A short right to the face finished him..
monster mash I believe Tyson's downfall really sped up the minute he signed up with Don King& where he was introduced to all the "forbidden fun" and none of "behavioral restraints" that Tyson's previous "handlers" shielded him from or tried to keep in check.
Busta Rhymes He didn't move his feet a lot. He would not have been able to stay outside on Tyson. Nobody ever had a problem getting inside on Toney, but once they got there he was really hard to hit and would counter you cleanly all day. Imagine them fighting at close range, toe to toe, probably against the ropes a lot, Toney moving his head in a million different positions while Tyson is teeing off w Tyson-like combos to the body and head. Bad night for Toney. Toney might slip most of them, but eventually he would get folded in half, maybe from the body shots alone
@@J-R__ true, also we must take in to account that if toney could last even 4 or 5 rounds which im 100% sure he could, tyson gets very discouraged any fight that hes in like 6th round and realises he either cant hit the guy or just cant hurt him. Tysons weakness was knocking everyone out so earlier he didnt like to go 12 rounds. See evander holyfield vs mike tyson, tyson wasnt in it for the long run like evander, when tyson realised he couldent just knock holyfield out he cheated his way out
James toney had a in the pocket defensive style that was unyk,for his weight class,at the time,hands down one of the best,his fights with Mike Mcallum,were classic,great Hall of famer,but to have went up against Mike Tyson,that's a different kind of power like holy field said.
Oh ok that's why an old washed up 42 yr old holy was hitting him at will the first few rds ....and hurt him...a prime at his best holy makes tony into easy work just as roy jones did..... nothing special about tony roy at toneys prime proved it
In the Spinks fight the FIRST knock-down was to the body, while the second and final knock-down was caused by a punch to the head - that's why he didn't curl up when he went down. In fact I remember that because Tyson rolled Spink's Right and then Tyson fired back a right of his own - upper-hook type of punch - like Evander did to Tyson in their first fight. Evander would roll with Tyson straight, while simultaneously loading up is own right hand only to counter Tyson, beautifully I might add. Tyson did the same with Spinks, so I don't know what this talk about a body shot ending the Spinks fight is all about. My point is, don't believe someone simply because they claim or are proclaimed to be an expert because sometimes they are just flat out wrong for no reason other than they didn't do the work they claimed to have done (watch the fight) or they are mistaken, i actually don't know why or how someone in Paulie's position can be so mistaken on a fight of this magnitude when he of all people should know at the very least how the fight ended. There are replays on CZcams. Don't even believe me...go look up the fucken information yourself! czcams.com/video/aD44ZPFHLfg/video.html Replays start at 3:10.
Dumb ass question. Tyson in his prime would beat any heavyweight. He was an animal. If Tyson had the same skills and same ferociousness at middleweight he would've destroyed tony. No question.
Even buster Douglas? Exactly. Dumbfuck comment. You’re talking about skill? Toney is far better than tyson in almost every aspect of boxing. Did you really just bring up Toney vs tyson at middleweight? Tyson would get rocked period. At heavyweight Tyson’s cardio was garbage. Toney had more dog and had a thousand times the chin. Love these tyson dickriders that act like tyson would ko anything that moves
But he didnt though Johnny.............he got bet by a mid level contender called Buster Douglas.......in his prime. 23 years of age. It doesnt get much more prime than that. If youre gonna tell me he was out of shape and had been partying, well......tough........thats part of being a great boxer, having discipline and doing the right things.
People always say prime 1986 mike would beat anyone ever in the history of boxing but prime 1986 mike lost 4 out of 10 rounds to James Tillis in a very close fight and Tillis was garbage.. he had a good jab and was a good mover but he was nothing special, yet he gave mike a hard fight and only lost by 1 round. So no.. prime 80's mike would not beat any heavyweight and im a big mike fan btw.
@@DatruthBtoldy-do6bl like Roy schooled Toney you forget toney wasn't the hardest hitter at smw he sits in the pocket slipping ones and t twos you can't do that with tyson and 3 punches Toney vulnerable to is right hands to the body and uppercuts.tony throws a lot of uppercuts .his isn't beating tysons
@@andrewellis777 if you know the fight game everyone knows Toney was dehydrated af during the fight. He tried to drop an obscene amount of weight days before the fight. Its Toneys fault for being so undisciplined. Damn wish we saw the real Toney that fight smh.
@@timbrown7039 that was Toney at a drain middle weight, not eating and starving himself. Mike has no answers for Toney science at heavy weight. Toney is at home when his opps are right there in his face ready to be countered and worked on an angle. He loves that, so Mike would lose most definitely. This is why Samuel peters kept it long on Toney when they met second time because Toney no longer had feet to carry him as he was overweight. Good thing Tyson doesn’t understand the meaning of keeping a fight at long distance. 😂
correction: they hit their heads on Holyfield's head. if you look at the "headbutts" he essentially used his head as a trap. He never really pulled a victor ortiz style headbutt. So he put his head forward as in a path he didn't want you to go. if you crouched as a reflex of him going in close you were met with a solid black bowling ball to the chops.
Tyson in his prime was unbeatable, by anyone. When he was bobbing and weaving AND throwing combinations, he was the fiercest man to walk the planet. Toney was great, but c'mon, Tyson? With Cus? No one beats that man.
Prime Holyfield, Lennox, Ali, and a few other fighters I can’t think of right now beat him in his prime. Tyson fought a lot of tomato cans in his prime and while he was a great athlete, he wasn’t that great a boxer. He even lost to Buster Douglas when he was in his prime which he was the 200 to 1 favorite to win.
Everyone knows Tyson was undisciplined in that fight and was no longer under Cus. He had partied the entire weekend, drinking and staying up all hours. He didn't take the fight serious and paid the price for it. Revisit the fight and Look at Tysons footwork. His legs were dead from partying. @@theequalizers1983
With regard to Tyson vs toney and who was better,........the answer is that Toney was much better. I didn't say he could beat Tyson head to head, but that's not a valid comparison. In his prime and his very best quality work, Toney was a 160 to 175 pound fighter. He was at 200 as a high school quarterback believe it or not, but football isn't fighting. The fact that he played quarterback at that weight is a tribute to his talent and athleticism in general. Toney fought a lot of fights at middleweight early in his career. He had to move up eventually, he could no longer take the battle of getting down to 160 while staying strong enough to win a tough fight. He took the only 'real' loss of his career against Roy Jones Jr., and it has been said that Toney had a terrible time making 168 for that fight. He wasn't at his strongest because he had to lose too much weight too quickly to make the fight. Toney never made that excuse, nor did I make it as a big fan of his, Rather,....I heard that from some others that knew about it. I didn't think Toney fought that poorly actually, but he lost the fight. No shame in losing by decision to the P4P fighter of that decade, and without being in top, ready to go condition he couldn't have been expected to beat Roy. All other losses in Toney's career were by decision, and you could argue that Toney was robbed at least 3 times, in fights with Montell Griffin, Mike McCallum and Samuel Peter. Toney lost twice by decision to Griffin, you could argue he should have won both, but certainly should have won at least one of those fights. Toney appeared to have won the first fight against Sam Peter, but lost a close decision. The first fight Toney had with Mike McCallum was ruled a draw, but everyone in the arena had Toney winning the fight. Toney admits he was gifted a decision against Mike Tiberi,.....so maybe a net loss of 2 fights for Toney on bad decisions. Despite that, Toney was 70-4-2 at 37 years old, 57 of those 76 fights were title fights, 55 of which he held the title. He defended the titles he won in the middle and super middleweight divisions a total of 27 times in 4 years,.....an unmatched record of defenses in that span over the last 60 years or more. He went 25-0-2 in those fights. He lost to Roy Jones at that time, and to Griffin in his next fight. Then he won the light heavyweight title, went on another streak going 10-0, 9 of which were successful title defenses. After another loss, he won a cruiserweight title, defended that title 13 times, going 13-0,......then won the heavyweight title, defended that title 5 times, going 3-1-1 after losing the title in a close decision to Sam Peter. Toney averaged nearly 4 title defenses per year for a period of 15 years and from the age of 21 to 37 years old. Nobody defended a title for that many years and with a 4 fight per year average,....and he could have had more fights but an issue with his manager and so on,....slowed his career here and there. There are very few that defended a title 57 times in their careers, let alone averaging 4 defenses per year,.....and amassing 51 wins with a record of 51-4-2 in title fights. A title fight usually consists of a solid opponent, up to the very best of opponents, so Toney only lost 4 out of 55 title fights against tough competition. All 4 were by decision, 2 of those he probably should have won. In 92 fights overall, Toney was never KO'd, was knocked down only once, and was considered the best defensive fighter in boxing during his career. The list of guys that he beat is very impressive, I know of no other fighter with a list of tougher opponents then Toney had, and defending against these tough fighters more often then all others,...4 times a year on average, makes it more difficult to win. Imagine in how many of those 57 fights Toney must have fought with injuries....considering he defended about every 3 months on average for 15 years. He likely had at least a nagging injury of some kind in every one of those fights. One of the most difficult accomplishments in boxing, and a category that truly sets a fighter apart from his competitors, is late round KO's. That's a category that truly separates the men from the boys. It's very impressive and the mark of a great fighter because at the highest level he's fighting tough competitors, those that rarely suffer a KO......and knocking out a guy in the 2nd half of fights is far more difficult then the early rounds due to fatigue. Most top shelf guys have to be hit very hard and squarely on the jaw to KO them. In the later rounds both guys are very tired and much weaker,.....therefore it really takes a pair to summon the strength in order to stop a tough opponent late in a fight.Toney Ko'd 29 guys out of 41 wins in a 4 year period during some of his best years. That's a KO rate of over 70%,.......but most impressive is that almost half, 14 of those 29, came in the 2nd half of the fight. Even more difficult, Toney KO'd 9 of those 14 in the 9th through 12th rounds,.......4 of those in the last round. Some of the names on that list include Michael Nunn, Evander Holyfield, Prince Charles Williams, Iran Barkley, Adolpho Washington and others. Check your favorite fighters, all of the best names including Tyson, Holyfield, Holmes, Foreman,.......any fighter you choose and none can match the late round KO record that Toney established. Toney had no weakness in his game that I can think of. He was the #1 fighter in several categories over the last 60 years or more, and that includes some of the most important categories of late round KO'S, the best defensive fighter, ring generalship,.........he had very fast hands and good power........Toney won titles in the 5 heaviest weight categories from Middleweight up to heavyweight, was never KO'd in 92 fights and only knocked down once . He defended more often then anyone, was never accused of ducking anyone, he had good stamina, good longevity ( still fighting until recently at 48 ), and one of my favorite categories that Toney headed up was not taking shit from irritating reporters in before,... and after fight interviews. That's a bit of tongue in cheek, but in one example,...after stopping Holyfield he was being interviewed by the infamous Jim Gray, and Toney got annoyed with him so he slapped the microphone out of his hand and down to the floor as he walked away. If you compare skillsets,...Tyson vs Toney,............it's without question that Toney had the best skills. Tyson had good skills in some categories,....hand speed for a big man comes to mind and obviously huge power......but Toney has the best of skills in all categories, and frankly there are few if any that can match Toney from top to bottom. If you're looking to criticize Toney, you have to resort to his weight gain during his career, but I would argue that he kicked everyone's ass despite a 'chubby' physique in his last years. There was an annoying rap against Toney that was echoed by all announcers and for his entire career. They repeated this nonsense word for word before the beginning of each of his fights, indicating a bias and a coordinated effort to find fault. I recall before a particular fight I heard the standard insult by the announcer, and at the time Toney was 44-0-2. I thought how convicting of the petty pricks that they would find fault with one of the best at the time,.... and with an undefeated record. The claim was that he was lazy in the ring, that he would only fight for one minute out of the 3 minutes in each round. It was a blatant lie, there was no difference in how busy Toney was in a fight then any other guy,....and only a coward would demean a guy that hadn't lost a single fight to that point.They must have scoured the footage of each of his fights, found a fight that had a few slow rounds, insured the tape with Loyds of London for 100 million$ and had it stored in a vault inside of Fort Knox. When the network or other piss ants get an attitude towards a fighter, they hold on to it for life,...as if anyone gives a rat's ass. Well,........that's my book for today,..........God bless all of you...... e
I know y Vander said this, Toney was vulnerable to left hooks, especially at heavyweight where he didn't move much. Watch the fight with Vander and Toney, how Vander would feint with lead rights and would consistently nail Toney with his left hook, even hurt him a few times. He's always looking to roll with right crosses so he tends to be in the path of left hooks.
Yeah Mike was small and quick enough to be able to keep up with James middleweight speed as well, James wouldnt of had that speed advantage, if anything Mike maybe even quicker.
First! If Tyson could be shrunk to a middleweight at his prime, Toney would probably win. But as a heavyweight prime to prime, Evander is right; Tyson would murder Toney.
Lance Watson Tyson had the power regardless if it was middle weight or heavy weight. He would still hurt and put JT out. Remember now, Tyson was not even a natural heavyweight. He was so furious he fought at a heavyweight level and still won by KO’s.
soup and old clothes - How do you know? Spinks did nothing. he was a petrified LIGHT-heavyweight who came for a final pay-check. Do u honestly think Ali, Holyfeild, Lewis, Fraizer would of folded the way Spinks did?
when people realize in terms of pound for pound, no one is higher than pacquiao and james tony. These two have jumped so much weight and still keep winning. Thats real pound for pound. When you can move up and keep destroying.
pound for pound, james toney surpassed sugar ray robinson. That says a fuck ton. Imagine a GGG fighting at heavyweight rn. You cant. They will destroy him. But toney went from middleweight all the way to a heavyweight championship
Didn’t a prime Mike get KOed by a club fighter ? If you actually think about it Mike Tyson never beat any big-name people. The best fighters he ever fought he lost to them. He only beat two Hall of Famers and one was 38 years old and the other was 31 years old and that one was basically a light heavyweight.
Iceman3000 holyfield was also a lightheavyweight yall just love discrediting mikes opponents when he was with rooney because thats the only version of mike that was technical and disciplined and everyone basically knows mike barely trained and partied against douglas
Ben Dover Yeah we all know he was also a light heavyweight but Mike didn’t beat him. You’re so busy trying to sound intellectual that you actually proved my case.
Ben Dover oh yeah sure we’re trying to discredit Mike’s opponents. It really isn’t to hard to discredit Tyrell Biggs, Jesse Ferguson, James Smith, Alex Stewart, Marvis Frazier, Mitch Green... etc I don’t need to discredit anything, the resume speaks for itself. I didn’t say one thing that was not an actual fact. He’s 2-3 against hall of famers. And the two that he did beat they were 38 and 31 years old. Get out of here dude !
@@Ijustinsultedyou i mean they may not be great but people make it sound like tyson only fought bums when you dont become the undisputed champ by beating bums
I always say, if Mike had back then today's mindfulness, he would have split with Holyfield, and against Lennox, he wasn't moving his head from that Lennox jab, so he couldn't get inside. Ali at one time did say that he wasn't sure he would have beaten Tyson because of Mike's speed + power + head movement. Of course Ali was lightning, but when Mike connects, Ali would feel it. Mike is like a faster Joe Frazier, and when he fought his Son, he almost knocked his head off. lol
I don’t know, James Toney was a devastating puncher, great defensive fighter, was very hard to hit cleanly. I believe all things being equal, everyone in their prime... very even matchups: Toney vs Tyson and Toney vs Holyfield. I always rooted for Holyfield (except against Big George) and I’d have to give him the edge because of his recovery ability, sheer will, best left hook and combination ability to mix hook, body, overhand right and uppercut in blazing fast 4 and 5 punch combinations.
What’s Paulie talking about when he says mike didn’t even hit spinks? The KO punch to spinks was a right right on the chin and spinks eyes were glazed!! I think Paulie confused spinks with somebody else
Michael Hudson Paulie must must have been confused or something, surely his Spinks/Tyson statement doesn't follow videotaped evidentiary history...replays in slo-mo don't lie. We hereby rest our case, Paulie goofed. Haha
Mike was a destroyer in the ring . i could say prime BUT i will say the top of his game as most people say ohh he was in his prime when he lost to Douglas we know why he lost that .
I don't think prime for prime is a legit question because of weight but if toney fought mike instead of Holyfield on that night I actually think toney would have beat him. At that point mike was a four round fighter and toneys chin was freakish. Don't believe me watch the toney vs peters fights. Toneys defense and chin could have kept him in long enough for mike to run out steam
Hey Yo Fuck no! Styles make fights and Mike always went for the kill. He would've closed the distance and would've sent Tony to uppercut city. Tony worked best with space which is Holyfield's way more than Iron Mike.
Tyson is a 4 round fighter. Wtf ??????? Look at tyson vs tucker, smith, biggs, ruddock....... Tyson in his prime will destroy toney and every other boxer.
Toney was EXTREMELY TECHNICAL! A cannon ball for a jab, body shots that sound like helmet to helmet tackles, counters that ALWAYS get thru, a real defense and head movement. Ability to change angles and switch stance. He was hard to hit, and if you were close enough to hit him, he could hit you!
Toney (one of my favorite boxer/fighters)came from the Middleweight ranks originally, where as MT was a Heavyweight from the get go.this brings up power issues .JT wouldn't be easy to hit, but could he hurt Mike? in their primes (there's that weight thing again),you've got to pick Tyson. beyond their primes is perhaps when JT has a shot at beating Mike. by then, he was a heavyweight, and MT's whole life was different (not in a good way).
if you're in the mood for a war, watch just about any TONEY/McCALLUM fight.unfortunately, MM didn't train hard to fight ROY JONES jr.I was let down when I saw a spare tire near his waist band.the guys calling the fight didn't even mention it, as I recall.
Hard one to call both slick fighters with great movement. Tyson got the edge on speed and power but James got a big heart and a great fighting mentality along with a tremendous skill set.
Mike showed a good amount of heart and he was hypnotized so theres no question bout that, mike with cus is legendary, i say late ko mabey but most likely a decision
Spinks took a knee after a bodyshot...8 count...then he ducked into Tysons right hand...it was a short hook more so than an uppercut...u can see his eyes rolled back into his head from the above ring camera angle...vicious
Darron Brown how is he in denial. He said he didn't quit cuz it ain't him. He never talked to his corner about quitting in any fight so why start with toney.
Darron Brown UR CRAZY.. Holifield destroyes Toney in his Prime.. when Toney was heavyweight there was no Great Heavyweight fighters. PETERSON FUCKED TONEY UP AND HE WAS MEDIOCRE in his prime.. Mike Jo's Toney in 4 round PRIME for PRIME
I'm, not the one you have to convince. You have to talk to Holyfield's trainer. There is a video of it so it shouldn't be difficult. Holyfield's trainer said that James was better than Tyson and Holyfield. He has never been knocked out and has more KO's than both Tyson and Holyfield. He said Toney's problem is that he didn't train. It shouldn't be hard to find the video. Holyfield also said that most fighters just stood in front of him. Toney was the 1st fighter to ever move constantly.
Carl Mannerheim i completely agree with you and Tyson was amazing from the age of 18 - 22. With that being said honestly man... Tyson never beat anyone who was big name and in their prime. I mean Holyfield wasn’t in his prime when he beat Tyson. Toney beat way more named fighters than both this guys.
Steven Matthews forget about prime it Toney fought Holyfield a few years sooner Holyfield still beats that ass! Holyfield was shot when they fought he should have retired 3 fights before that one. I'll always have love for the "REAL DEAL" straight up Warrior!
The question about Toney is asked because Seckbak has spent time with Toney, and he believes what James has told him. James Toney was at his peak as a fighter when he fought Roy Jones. He lost! So there you go. As Evander says “Mike would murder him”
Toney hands down! It looks better for Holyfield if he says James Toney would win, because he lost it Tony and beat Mike Tyson. James Toney was pound-for-pound one of the best fighters to ever fight. Tony was a better fighter, smarter fighter, and better defensive fighter. He set up his job excellent as well.
If you stand in front of Mike like Toney does...you lose. Thats Holyfields point and he's right. Toney doesn't even have power to bring into the equation.
But he stand there because of his defense! Plus all this is speculation there is no point of arguing it will Never happen for any of us to prove our point
Tyson with Rooney was the best. He would have ko'd Toney in 1 round plus Toney would have definitely been scared. But of course Toney will never tell us that.
Dumbfuck statement. Toney scared of a guy who got koed by buster douglas in his prime? Who got koed and beat twice by a guy he koed easy? Lmao sorry but no
Stevin swinson doesn’t matter who it is. Tyson dickriders always have excuses. Saying Toney would’ve been scared lmao what a dumbfuck comment. Toney would grab niggas by the throat at weigh ins. Punked eubank and benn on live tv. Stood directly in front of everybody he fought, including heavyweights with nasty power. You don’t know shit about Toney, and you very obviously don’t know shit about boxing either. Talking about mike koing toney lol but who’s been knocked out and who hasn’t? Oh ok. When’s the last time tyson knocked out a great fighter? Better yet, When’s the last time mike knocked out a good fighter? Oh ok. Educate yourself cause you a rook
I appreciate when the fighters ,that boxed Mike Tyson tell the truth about boxing Mike Tyson. Keep in mind most the fighters at that time were freaks of nature. 💪
Holyfield DIDN'T headbutt Tyson. Tyson ran into Holyfield. Holyfield was NEVER penalized for any Headbutts and the Refs correctly ruled so. It was called "accidental Headbutts. Tyson NEVER was taught how to work past a jab of a Man coming TOWARDS him. That's why I said Kevin Rooney was a horrible trainer and Cus D'amato was one dimensional. That's why Patterson fired him after the second Liston fight. Holyfield WAS on Steroids...So was Tyson. Evander kicked his ass fair and square!
The Spy: Tyson wasn’t on steroid you dumbass, Tyson on steroids would be a living Incredible Hulk, Tyson was naturally all muscle since the age of 12. Get your facts straight and stop talking out your ass
The Spy: I’m saying Tyson wasn’t on steroids. He didn’t need them. You can tell yourself because he was kinda chubby when he was in his prime. Use a braincell. Teddy atlas said himself that Tyson was all muscle by the age of 12. You know who supplied him? Yeah and I bet your friends with aliens too 😆 get tf outta here, boy. Only a coward openly lies and talks bs. Stop with the tough guy act on a CZcams comment section or you’ll just end up getting bullied.
I think what Malinaggi was saying is because of the way Spinx lashed there. He ain't want to fight anymore. As Holyfield pointed out he was beat before he got in the ring. He accepted that money but really ain't want a fight.
Termo Oh you mean the Holyfield that came back to beat Oquendo and was robbed against Valuev for the WBA title? Well the Tyson that Holyfield beat was washed up too.
Butter White At 33 Tyson wouldn't have been facing Toney because James wasn't even in the heavyweight division. Anyway, Mike at that time was facing the likes of old washed up Botha.
It would look like Toney-Barkley, only Mike's slower than Iran so he'd land even less; it wouldn't matter that he hits harder when he doesn't land anything. Toney all day.
Lou Duva barkley and tyson are totally different fighters!! Plus have you seen tysons speed? Tyson is way faster than barkley!! Cant believe you think tyson was slower
Go watch tyson in his prime he was nothing of slow. Watch him hit the bag when he was with rooney 3 power punches in a second excellent defense what are you guys watching
James Toney had enough skill not to get Knocked out by Mike Tyson . James Toney Had A great chin , Mike Tyson does not , ( prime Mike Tyson was Before age 23 ? After beating the a living legend Trevor Berbick he decision 19-5 Bonecrusher Smith in waltz. Koed the Great Pinklon Thomas , another legend TNT tucker, Tyrell Biggs , Tony tubs , Super prime Larry Holmes 35 and 2 year layoff. Carl Williams Frank Bruno . His Best win is over scared Light Heavy Michael Spinks. Boxing experts soooo sure Mike Tyson wins . This is why it wouldn't be that easy, Tyson intimidation NO, James Toney absolutely destroys forward coming fighter. Which chin is the solid one double check that 5 ko losses and was on route for 6. Has been reported to be downed by Mccall and Page in sparring. Best fighters Tyson fought Holifield and Lewis 0-3 should have been 3ko losses. What is the evidence? I think good fight for both lots of action & I believe we never saw the best Tyson after Cus Damato.
they dont need to fight each other they were both great and have nothing to prove to anyone but if thats what they wanna do then thats what there gunna do but dont pressure them or force it its just conversation nothin more
James Toney and Tyson were both heavyweights around early 2000’s one guy doesn’t get to go back to his prime match them up around 2001 and James Toney outboxes Tyson to a UD
You notice 20 years after Mike's retirement every boxer that gets interviewed to this day is asked about Mike Tyson. What was it like to get hit by Mike Tyson? How would this guy do against Tyson? I don't know any of these boxers today and it's kind of boring watching them fight. I haven't known who the champ was since Tyson. I can tell you that people all knew who the champ was from Tyson back. He broke boxing I don't watch boxing, I watch old Tyson fights.
🤜🏾"Mike would've killed him". Evander said that instinctively, like... was that a trick question🥊? . Seck Bach must've run out of questions. I didn't even listen beyond that "no brainer"🤦🏽♂️
He said that because he’s salty about losing to an ex middle weight who was never disciplined and was still considered one of the greatest of all time. We never really got to see Toney at the peak of his powers.
Toney was an amazing fighter at middleweight and super . At heavyweight its tough against Tyson a full top 5 heaveyweight of all time easy . All those shots Toney blocks with his gloves are a issue against Tyson they would still affect him. Just too much power .
No that’s not even worth the discussion cause when Tony was his best was when he was at middle weight or light heavy The question is Tony vs Bernard Hopkins back when they where in there prime
Holyfield seems like a real good dude. Makes sense too.
I love Mike Tyson he is my favourite Heavyweight but Evander Holyfield was the real deal he fought the best and never dodge any man
TYSON
DOUGLAS
LEWIS
BOWIE
FOREMAN
HOLMES
MERCER
MOORER
BYRD
what a récord
No doubt Holyfield has a good resume and he fought in a loaded era, the 90's.
The fights against Riddick Bowie were legendary.
Adam Chalkley yeah all of them were great but the first one was just the best
El Ivan actually no! Lewis had a way better resume’ than Tyson! Holyfield had the best of all of em w his list he fought but Lewis was right behind him!
holyfield was juiced up to the eye balls throughout his heavyweight career.....
Holyfield was 40 when he lost to James Toney, way past his prime. Tyson in his prime would have wrecked James Toney - no question.
James toney would of beat 20 year old holyfield and Mike Tyson
How dare Holyfield down play James Toney like that. Talking about he didn’t fill those punches. He got totally broke off plus Toney wasn’t much younger than him only 6yrs. I’m not just saying this because I’m also a Detroiter. Michigan just has the best fighters in history period
@@brahmoney7507 yaaaa.. 50 year old Mike Kos 20 year old toney.
He was 35 I believe
Toney was in his 40s I believe too when he faced Toney.
Remember Mike Tyson lost his prime years having been icarcerated.
Holyfield did not fight the ultimate Tyson.
Holyfield knew tyson.
Styles makes fights
Tyson at his peak wins by KO
@MALA2243 Only way you can say that shit is if you put Holyfield in prison the same 3 years as Tyson an took boxing out both their lives for that amount of time. Just saying that Tyson turned down a fight doesn't be prove shit. Any time you slam the breaks on a fighter for any amount of time, they ain't gone step out and hit the gas like nothin changed. Especially 1, 2, 3, years I mean come on man.
U guys are idiots. Peak Tyson? You think Holyfield was in his prime? Go do your homework.
@@soitsanightmare Yah, right I hear ya shitz. An I spose Tyson threw just as many head butts like ole chrome dome to huh? An wtf does prime have to do with shit idiot? 3 years in the pen an then we getting close to level playing field. Period, earlier fight different out come. Holyfield was a damn good counter puncher. One of the best, but he never fought the best version of Tyson. Do your homework idiot@
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James Toney would get his whacks in like Evander but once Mike got rolling I don't think he could stand up to Tysons punching power.
idk. sam peter cracked the shit outta toney a few times and couldn't knock him down
Tyson is my favorite boxer but I have a a lot of respect for Holyfield he's so humble
0:58 haha holyfields impression of mike is perfect😂
One of boxing's greatest warriors a pure legend!!!!!
Tony vs Tyson would have been a dream fight!
i think if toney puts his right cross to work (one of his bes punches) then he can land the knock out. notice holyfield and lewis knocked mike tyson out with the right cross
Yes. Toney would have been dreaming in round one.
Toney is always the teacher in that ring!
@soup and old clothes crickets. Thats what the fuck i thought
@@ASSman864 holyfeild didnt know out tyson he win by stoppage tyson never been cut untill the holyfeild fight from headbutts
Come on, Holyfield will never accept that defeat against James Toney, it's something he'll always be ashamed of.
@Elliott Feaster You must be a Tyson fanboy. James Toney is masterful boxer and would make Tyson look very bad
there really was nothing for holyfield gain fighting toney, in terms of the record etc
@@stephenmacdonald76 There was a lot to gain for both. Holyfield was trying to regain the heavyweight title at an old age like Foreman did, and Toney was trying to fight for the heavyweight title as well
@@MrCleven509 I think your missing my point Its a fight he was expected to win and it was much higher risk than he expected, he would not have got any credit for beating an ex midnight where as for toney there was loads to gain beat one of the most dominant heavyweight of 90s, so in terms of boxing record there was very little to gain for holyfield and it was a bit of bad matchmaking on his part
I think James Tony could’ve beat Mike Tyson it would’ve been very even honestly
Anybody who picks James Toney has truly forgotten how destructive Mike Tyson was ‘86-‘91!! Toney’s shots would have been like bee stings on a prime Mike Tyson! Prime Holy destroys Toney aswell! Holy was way past it at that point!
The Tyson that beat Spinks vs the Holy that beat Bowe! Now that’s a fight!!
Toney was deoppednonce in like 80 fights. Beat Holyfield.
Tyson would have gotten pieced up.
Especially 20 years ago when tyson fought Lennox Toney would have killed him.
Toney accomplished more in the sport. Really tyson should even be in the same sentence as Holyfield and Toney.
Sure tyson was special. He peaked At 21 years old.
No version of tyson would blow through Toney
@@oldironsides4107 Toney wasn't a heavyweight. His best years were at 160 and 168. Tyson in his prime would've been too much for Toney to handle, in terms of his hand speed, head movement, fast combinations and power.
Toney and tyson fought at hw at the same time. Toney would have absolutely schooled him.
We’re not talking about one guy gets to go back to his best day. But what would have happened when they were still top hw.
@Liam Keogh Tyson doesn't get the respect and credit for being a phenomenal fighter. You can be a victim of your own success. He made some of his fights look easy. Spinks was an accomplished fighter, but because he was blown away in one round, people doubt his credibility.
True coment styles make fights,that match up perfect example I.M.O Mike's peek a boo style and footwork speed etc to relentless for majority back then bar Holyfeilds or Lewis post prime arguably tho
Great analysis champ, such a pleasure sharing in your analysis even bringing laughter. I have to say I agree with you completely.
Paulie and Evander always great interviews, supreme knowledge..
Pauly is blind..Tyson hit Spinks with a perfect left hook followed by a right hook to the ribs for the first knockdown...A short right to the face finished him..
Exactly, wtf is he smoking?!
Paulie punch drunk I think. Nobody was beating Tyson on that day,
@Patrick Thomas Keep your politics to the voting booth. The men are fed up with that BS!
Tyson all day. Why is this even a question??
Mike didn't lose in his prime
He lost after he started partying and not training
monster mash I believe Tyson's downfall really sped up the minute he signed up with Don King& where he was introduced to all the "forbidden fun" and none of "behavioral restraints" that Tyson's previous "handlers" shielded him from or tried to keep in check.
Holyfield won against Tyson and lost against Toney though
@@hjembrentkent6181 it doesn't matter cuz they're two different fighters
Not even sure why this is being debated. A focused Tyson was a beast!
Tyson was ending his career when Toney was beating top heavyweights...of course Toney wins at that point in time
Bob Dobalina it’s what I’ve been saying ppl r too stupid to understand that
Toney don't move. The.shoulder.defense wouldn't work against.that amount of power
Tony may have gotten his shoulder broke in half.
He don’t move? He was a master in avoiding punches.
Busta Rhymes
He didn't move his feet a lot. He would not have been able to stay outside on Tyson. Nobody ever had a problem getting inside on Toney, but once they got there he was really hard to hit and would counter you cleanly all day.
Imagine them fighting at close range, toe to toe, probably against the ropes a lot, Toney moving his head in a million different positions while Tyson is teeing off w Tyson-like combos to the body and head. Bad night for Toney.
Toney might slip most of them, but eventually he would get folded in half, maybe from the body shots alone
@@J-R__ true, also we must take in to account that if toney could last even 4 or 5 rounds which im 100% sure he could, tyson gets very discouraged any fight that hes in like 6th round and realises he either cant hit the guy or just cant hurt him. Tysons weakness was knocking everyone out so earlier he didnt like to go 12 rounds. See evander holyfield vs mike tyson, tyson wasnt in it for the long run like evander, when tyson realised he couldent just knock holyfield out he cheated his way out
@@bustarhymes6188 exactly.
But changing subjects, I've been a Busta Rhymes fan since 91'. Why use another mans name as your YT name?
James toney had a in the pocket defensive style that was unyk,for his weight class,at the time,hands down one of the best,his fights with Mike Mcallum,were classic,great Hall of famer,but to have went up against Mike Tyson,that's a different kind of power like holy field said.
Oh ok that's why an old washed up 42 yr old holy was hitting him at will the first few rds ....and hurt him...a prime at his best holy makes tony into easy work just as roy jones did..... nothing special about tony roy at toneys prime proved it
Mike would have destroyed Toney.
Yea Holyfield knows what he's talking about. Elie throws his own shit not realizing the Champ is talking
Mike would have got his ass beat then knocked the fuck OUT.
The Spy I think so too! James would play mental games w mike n mike has never been mentally strong especially not to the level James would play w him
The Spy No chance
@@blaneduncan1142 Same thing they said about Douglass and Holyfield.
In the Spinks fight the FIRST knock-down was to the body, while the second and final knock-down was caused by a punch to the head - that's why he didn't curl up when he went down. In fact I remember that because Tyson rolled Spink's Right and then Tyson fired back a right of his own - upper-hook type of punch - like Evander did to Tyson in their first fight. Evander would roll with Tyson straight, while simultaneously loading up is own right hand only to counter Tyson, beautifully I might add. Tyson did the same with Spinks, so I don't know what this talk about a body shot ending the Spinks fight is all about.
My point is, don't believe someone simply because they claim or are proclaimed to be an expert because sometimes they are just flat out wrong for no reason other than they didn't do the work they claimed to have done (watch the fight) or they are mistaken, i actually don't know why or how someone in Paulie's position can be so mistaken on a fight of this magnitude when he of all people should know at the very least how the fight ended. There are replays on CZcams. Don't even believe me...go look up the fucken information yourself!
czcams.com/video/aD44ZPFHLfg/video.html Replays start at 3:10.
Dumb ass question. Tyson in his prime would beat any heavyweight. He was an animal. If Tyson had the same skills and same ferociousness at middleweight he would've destroyed tony. No question.
Even buster Douglas? Exactly. Dumbfuck comment. You’re talking about skill? Toney is far better than tyson in almost every aspect of boxing. Did you really just bring up Toney vs tyson at middleweight? Tyson would get rocked period. At heavyweight Tyson’s cardio was garbage. Toney had more dog and had a thousand times the chin. Love these tyson dickriders that act like tyson would ko anything that moves
Yo know your boxing (I do disagree with you about Tyson's conditioning, though)! Tyson is the most overrated fighter in modern boxing.
Tyson in his prime ran from everyone
But he didnt though Johnny.............he got bet by a mid level contender called Buster Douglas.......in his prime. 23 years of age. It doesnt get much more prime than that. If youre gonna tell me he was out of shape and had been partying, well......tough........thats part of being a great boxer, having discipline and doing the right things.
People always say prime 1986 mike would beat anyone ever in the history of boxing but prime 1986 mike lost 4 out of 10 rounds to James Tillis in a very close fight and Tillis was garbage.. he had a good jab and was a good mover but he was nothing special, yet he gave mike a hard fight and only lost by 1 round. So no.. prime 80's mike would not beat any heavyweight and im a big mike fan btw.
Toney tuned you up. I believe the outcome would have remained the same had you both met in your prime. #sweetscience #salty
Joe Momma Yep
No way
@@DatruthBtoldy-do6bl like Roy schooled Toney you forget toney wasn't the hardest hitter at smw he sits in the pocket slipping ones and t twos you can't do that with tyson and 3 punches Toney vulnerable to is right hands to the body and uppercuts.tony throws a lot of uppercuts .his isn't beating tysons
Yea Toneys style was just too much for Holyfield his movement in the pocket and ability to counter was so good
Hes completely right, you HAVE to have a poker face in the ring, because if your opponent knows your hurt or in pain, its game over.
At 3:08 Kostya Tszyu strolls by...
Good eye!
Kostya should have stopped and joined in the conversation. He is a great in his own right.....definitely more so than Paulie.
I agree. I guess Kostya made his point in the ring.
Epic!!! Tszyu was an awesome boxer! Respect.
Eye of a sniper lol
Toney was one of the greatest he just didn't train if he did he would probably be best
You dumb
@@andrewellis777 if you know the fight game everyone knows Toney was dehydrated af during the fight. He tried to drop an obscene amount of weight days before the fight. Its Toneys fault for being so undisciplined. Damn wish we saw the real Toney that fight smh.
@@timbrown7039 that was Toney at a drain middle weight, not eating and starving himself. Mike has no answers for Toney science at heavy weight. Toney is at home when his opps are right there in his face ready to be countered and worked on an angle. He loves that, so Mike would lose most definitely. This is why Samuel peters kept it long on Toney when they met second time because Toney no longer had feet to carry him as he was overweight. Good thing Tyson doesn’t understand the meaning of keeping a fight at long distance. 😂
Title correction:
“Holyfield HEADBUTTED both, so who wins?”
correction: they hit their heads on Holyfield's head. if you look at the "headbutts" he essentially used his head as a trap. He never really pulled a victor ortiz style headbutt. So he put his head forward as in a path he didn't want you to go. if you crouched as a reflex of him going in close you were met with a solid black bowling ball to the chops.
I m glad that guy can explain boxing to a boxing legend.....geeez
Love Holyfeild class act so humble.
Tyson in his prime was unbeatable, by anyone. When he was bobbing and weaving AND throwing combinations, he was the fiercest man to walk the planet. Toney was great, but c'mon, Tyson? With Cus? No one beats that man.
Prime Holyfield, Lennox, Ali, and a few other fighters I can’t think of right now beat him in his prime. Tyson fought a lot of tomato cans in his prime and while he was a great athlete, he wasn’t that great a boxer. He even lost to Buster Douglas when he was in his prime which he was the 200 to 1 favorite to win.
And everytime he lost he was out of his prime . Lol Tyson fans
When James Toney was a heavyweight it was around early 2000’s James would’ve beat Tyson just like how he beat Holyfield
Everyone knows Tyson was undisciplined in that fight and was no longer under Cus. He had partied the entire weekend, drinking and staying up all hours. He didn't take the fight serious and paid the price for it. Revisit the fight and Look at Tysons footwork. His legs were dead from partying. @@theequalizers1983
Incorrect he could be outboxed by talled skilled fighter's and knocked out 2 journeyman proved it James quick tillis and James buster Douglas
With regard to Tyson vs toney and who was better,........the answer is that Toney was much better. I didn't say he could beat Tyson head to head, but that's not a valid comparison. In his prime and his very best quality work, Toney was a 160 to 175 pound fighter. He was at 200 as a high school quarterback believe it or not, but football isn't fighting. The fact that he played quarterback at that weight is a tribute to his talent and athleticism in general.
Toney fought a lot of fights at middleweight early in his career. He had to move up eventually, he could no longer take the battle of getting down to 160 while staying strong enough to win a tough fight. He took the only 'real' loss of his career against Roy Jones Jr., and it has been said that Toney had a terrible time making 168 for that fight. He wasn't at his strongest because he had to lose too much weight too quickly to make the fight. Toney never made that excuse, nor did I make it as a big fan of his, Rather,....I heard that from some others that knew about it. I didn't think Toney fought that poorly actually, but he lost the fight. No shame in losing by decision to the P4P fighter of that decade, and without being in top, ready to go condition he couldn't have been expected to beat Roy.
All other losses in Toney's career were by decision, and you could argue that Toney was robbed at least 3 times, in fights with Montell Griffin, Mike McCallum and Samuel Peter. Toney lost twice by decision to Griffin, you could argue he should have won both, but certainly should have won at least one of those fights. Toney appeared to have won the first fight against Sam Peter, but lost a close decision. The first fight Toney had with Mike McCallum was ruled a draw, but everyone in the arena had Toney winning the fight. Toney admits he was gifted a decision against Mike Tiberi,.....so maybe a net loss of 2 fights for Toney on bad decisions.
Despite that, Toney was 70-4-2 at 37 years old, 57 of those 76 fights were title fights, 55 of which he held the title. He defended the titles he won in the middle and super middleweight divisions a total of 27 times in 4 years,.....an unmatched record of defenses in that span over the last 60 years or more. He went 25-0-2 in those fights. He lost to Roy Jones at that time, and to Griffin in his next fight. Then he won the light heavyweight title, went on another streak going 10-0, 9 of which were successful title defenses. After another loss, he won a cruiserweight title, defended that title 13 times, going 13-0,......then won the heavyweight title, defended that title 5 times, going 3-1-1 after losing the title in a close decision to Sam Peter.
Toney averaged nearly 4 title defenses per year for a period of 15 years and from the age of 21 to 37 years old. Nobody defended a title for that many years and with a 4 fight per year average,....and he could have had more fights but an issue with his manager and so on,....slowed his career here and there. There are very few that defended a title 57 times in their careers, let alone averaging 4 defenses per year,.....and amassing 51 wins with a record of 51-4-2 in title fights. A title fight usually consists of a solid opponent, up to the very best of opponents, so Toney only lost 4 out of 55 title fights against tough competition. All 4 were by decision, 2 of those he probably should have won.
In 92 fights overall, Toney was never KO'd, was knocked down only once, and was considered the best defensive fighter in boxing during his career. The list of guys that he beat is very impressive, I know of no other fighter with a list of tougher opponents then Toney had, and defending against these tough fighters more often then all others,...4 times a year on average, makes it more difficult to win. Imagine in how many of those 57 fights Toney must have fought with injuries....considering he defended about every 3 months on average for 15 years. He likely had at least a nagging injury of some kind in every one of those fights.
One of the most difficult accomplishments in boxing, and a category that truly sets a fighter apart from his competitors, is late round KO's. That's a category that truly separates the men from the boys. It's very impressive and the mark of a great fighter because at the highest level he's fighting tough competitors, those that rarely suffer a KO......and knocking out a guy in the 2nd half of fights is far more difficult then the early rounds due to fatigue. Most top shelf guys have to be hit very hard and squarely on the jaw to KO them. In the later rounds both guys are very tired and much weaker,.....therefore it really takes a pair to summon the strength in order to stop a tough opponent late in a fight.Toney Ko'd 29 guys out of 41 wins in a 4 year period during some of his best years. That's a KO rate of over 70%,.......but most impressive is that almost half, 14 of those 29, came in the 2nd half of the fight. Even more difficult, Toney KO'd 9 of those 14 in the 9th through 12th rounds,.......4 of those in the last round. Some of the names on that list include Michael Nunn, Evander Holyfield, Prince Charles Williams, Iran Barkley, Adolpho Washington and others. Check your favorite fighters, all of the best names including Tyson, Holyfield, Holmes, Foreman,.......any fighter you choose and none can match the late round KO record that Toney established.
Toney had no weakness in his game that I can think of. He was the #1 fighter in several categories over the last 60 years or more, and that includes some of the most important categories of late round KO'S, the best defensive fighter, ring generalship,.........he had very fast hands and good power........Toney won titles in the 5 heaviest weight categories from Middleweight up to heavyweight, was never KO'd in 92 fights and only knocked down once . He defended more often then anyone, was never accused of ducking anyone, he had good stamina, good longevity ( still fighting until recently at 48 ), and one of my favorite categories that Toney headed up was not taking shit from irritating reporters in before,... and after fight interviews. That's a bit of tongue in cheek, but in one example,...after stopping Holyfield he was being interviewed by the infamous Jim Gray, and Toney got annoyed with him so he slapped the microphone out of his hand and down to the floor as he walked away.
If you compare skillsets,...Tyson vs Toney,............it's without question that Toney had the best skills. Tyson had good skills in some categories,....hand speed for a big man comes to mind and obviously huge power......but Toney has the best of skills in all categories, and frankly there are few if any that can match Toney from top to bottom. If you're looking to criticize Toney, you have to resort to his weight gain during his career, but I would argue that he kicked everyone's ass despite a 'chubby' physique in his last years. There was an annoying rap against Toney that was echoed by all announcers and for his entire career. They repeated this nonsense word for word before the beginning of each of his fights, indicating a bias and a coordinated effort to find fault. I recall before a particular fight I heard the standard insult by the announcer, and at the time Toney was 44-0-2. I thought how convicting of the petty pricks that they would find fault with one of the best at the time,.... and with an undefeated record.
The claim was that he was lazy in the ring, that he would only fight for one minute out of the 3 minutes in each round. It was a blatant lie, there was no difference in how busy Toney was in a fight then any other guy,....and only a coward would demean a guy that hadn't lost a single fight to that point.They must have scoured the footage of each of his fights, found a fight that had a few slow rounds, insured the tape with Loyds of London for 100 million$ and had it stored in a vault inside of Fort Knox. When the network or other piss ants get an attitude towards a fighter, they hold on to it for life,...as if anyone gives a rat's ass. Well,........that's my book for today,..........God bless all of you......
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Pre 1989 Tyson beats any heavyweight in history
Fury would butt fuck him. Wilder, Klitchko, Marciano, james Tony, Hollyfield. Mike was great but not the greatest.
I know y Vander said this, Toney was vulnerable to left hooks, especially at heavyweight where he didn't move much. Watch the fight with Vander and Toney, how Vander would feint with lead rights and would consistently nail Toney with his left hook, even hurt him a few times. He's always looking to roll with right crosses so he tends to be in the path of left hooks.
Yeah Mike was small and quick enough to be able to keep up with James middleweight speed as well, James wouldnt of had that speed advantage, if anything Mike maybe even quicker.
First! If Tyson could be shrunk to a middleweight at his prime, Toney would probably win. But as a heavyweight prime to prime, Evander is right; Tyson would murder Toney.
Well. Toney did fight at heavywt.
Mike Tyson could never make anything but heavy weight he really is a physical specimen
Lance Watson Tyson had the power regardless if it was middle weight or heavy weight. He would still hurt and put JT out. Remember now, Tyson was not even a natural heavyweight. He was so furious he fought at a heavyweight level and still won by KO’s.
soup and old clothes - How do you know? Spinks did nothing. he was a petrified LIGHT-heavyweight who came for a final pay-check. Do u honestly think Ali, Holyfeild, Lewis, Fraizer would of folded the way Spinks did?
ging sung spinks best holmes and cooney.wilder is proof that weight in the heavies ain't everything as he weighed 208 when he turned pro
This is all speculatuon. Shot out to tony for going from mw to hw. Tyson was an animal and holyfield was a warrior.
when people realize in terms of pound for pound, no one is higher than pacquiao and james tony. These two have jumped so much weight and still keep winning. Thats real pound for pound. When you can move up and keep destroying.
pound for pound, james toney surpassed sugar ray robinson. That says a fuck ton. Imagine a GGG fighting at heavyweight rn. You cant. They will destroy him. But toney went from middleweight all the way to a heavyweight championship
James toney embarrassed Holyfield so Holyfield thought an even wilder fighter in mike Tyson would be able to beat him😂😂make it make sense
How is this a question after this. Holyfield knows what the hell he is saying. He fought both!
Prime Mike would KO Toney PERIOD but I love James Toney
Didn’t a prime Mike get KOed by a club fighter ? If you actually think about it Mike Tyson never beat any big-name people. The best fighters he ever fought he lost to them. He only beat two Hall of Famers and one was 38 years old and the other was 31 years old and that one was basically a light heavyweight.
Iceman3000 holyfield was also a lightheavyweight yall just love discrediting mikes opponents when he was with rooney because thats the only version of mike that was technical and disciplined and everyone basically knows mike barely trained and partied against douglas
Ben Dover Yeah we all know he was also a light heavyweight but Mike didn’t beat him. You’re so busy trying to sound intellectual that you actually proved my case.
Ben Dover oh yeah sure we’re trying to discredit Mike’s opponents. It really isn’t to hard to discredit Tyrell Biggs, Jesse Ferguson, James Smith, Alex Stewart, Marvis Frazier, Mitch Green... etc I don’t need to discredit anything, the resume speaks for itself. I didn’t say one thing that was not an actual fact. He’s 2-3 against hall of famers. And the two that he did beat they were 38 and 31 years old. Get out of here dude !
@@Ijustinsultedyou i mean they may not be great but people make it sound like tyson only fought bums when you dont become the undisputed champ by beating bums
No one beats a prime Mike Tyson 1986-1990.
FACTS
Great vid!
In his prime Tyson would make James Toney look like a fool
I always say, if Mike had back then today's mindfulness, he would have split with Holyfield, and against Lennox, he wasn't moving his head from that Lennox jab, so he couldn't get inside. Ali at one time did say that he wasn't sure he would have beaten Tyson because of Mike's speed + power + head movement. Of course Ali was lightning, but when Mike connects, Ali would feel it. Mike is like a faster Joe Frazier, and when he fought his Son, he almost knocked his head off. lol
Did Paulie say that Mike didn't hit Spinks?
Michael Hudson he was saying Spinks was scared before Tyson even hit him
Ya, that boy drunk!
I don’t know, James Toney was a devastating puncher, great defensive fighter, was very hard to hit cleanly. I believe all things being equal, everyone in their prime... very even matchups: Toney vs Tyson and Toney vs Holyfield. I always rooted for Holyfield (except against Big George) and I’d have to give him the edge because of his recovery ability, sheer will, best left hook and combination ability to mix hook, body, overhand right and uppercut in blazing fast 4 and 5 punch combinations.
Mike Tyson and his work rate would be too much for Toney. James Toney is a counterpuncher and that gives him no chance of winning versus Tyson.
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Vs pacman all over again
Toney wins
What’s Paulie talking about when he says mike didn’t even hit spinks? The KO punch to spinks was a right right on the chin and spinks eyes were glazed!! I think Paulie confused spinks with somebody else
Michael Hudson Paulie must must have been confused or something, surely his Spinks/Tyson statement doesn't follow videotaped evidentiary history...replays in slo-mo don't lie. We hereby rest our case, Paulie goofed. Haha
@@Chief2Moon yeah, I ain't dissing on Paulie, he's a smart cat, just made an error
Mike was a destroyer in the ring . i could say prime BUT i will say the top of his game as most people say ohh he was in his prime when he lost to Douglas we know why he lost that .
No he wasn't. Douglas made one only match in his entire career.
This was a very good question and asked of the most qualified person
a motivated, in shape, focusedJames Toney?... I dunno.
You don't know. So, let us tell you.
I don't think prime for prime is a legit question because of weight but if toney fought mike instead of Holyfield on that night I actually think toney would have beat him. At that point mike was a four round fighter and toneys chin was freakish. Don't believe me watch the toney vs peters fights. Toneys defense and chin could have kept him in long enough for mike to run out steam
Hey Yo Fuck no! Styles make fights and Mike always went for the kill. He would've closed the distance and would've sent Tony to uppercut city. Tony worked best with space which is Holyfield's way more than Iron Mike.
Tyson is a 4 round fighter. Wtf ??????? Look at tyson vs tucker, smith, biggs, ruddock....... Tyson in his prime will destroy toney and every other boxer.
Hey Yo Samuel Peter was no Mike Tyson.
Faran qamar toneys inside fighting was immaculate. You don’t know shit about boxing
Alot of new school fans don't know how nasty James Toney was in that ring. If you need a starting point, search Toney vs Jirov.
Toney was EXTREMELY TECHNICAL! A cannon ball for a jab, body shots that sound like helmet to helmet tackles, counters that ALWAYS get thru, a real defense and head movement. Ability to change angles and switch stance. He was hard to hit, and if you were close enough to hit him, he could hit you!
Toney (one of my favorite boxer/fighters)came from the Middleweight ranks originally, where as MT was a Heavyweight from the get go.this brings up power issues .JT wouldn't be easy to hit, but could he hurt Mike? in their primes (there's that weight thing again),you've got to pick Tyson. beyond their primes is perhaps when JT has a shot at beating Mike. by then, he was a heavyweight, and MT's whole life was different (not in a good way).
if you're in the mood for a war, watch just about any TONEY/McCALLUM fight.unfortunately, MM didn't train hard to fight ROY JONES jr.I was let down when I saw a spare tire near his waist band.the guys calling the fight didn't even mention it, as I recall.
How could mike tyson come down to middle weight
He was almost 200 pound when he was 12 years old
200 pounds 12? lol okay no one has a picture of mike when he was 200 pounds
@@oubre2115 yh he was you wet wipe he was fighting at 190 at like 15
why u get a mad? mike didnt give u and ur family not a pends i dont get it how u protect a rich dude who dont give a fuck about u.
@@oubre2115 im sure mike cares about his fans, he doesnt talk crap about all his fans wtf is wrong with u, did ur dad leave u or somethin
@@flare3854 sorry back then I wasnt mike tyson fan I am now🤣
I disagree, I think Toney would have been too smart
You stupid
If Toney made it past round 4, Mike gets smoked!
Tyson vs Riddick Bowe would of been a good question also real deal fought both. This man fought everyone didn't duck or Dodge no one much respect.
Hard one to call both slick fighters with great movement. Tyson got the edge on speed and power but James got a big heart and a great fighting mentality along with a tremendous skill set.
Mike showed a good amount of heart and he was hypnotized so theres no question bout that, mike with cus is legendary, i say late ko mabey but most likely a decision
Mike Tyson was a natural heavyweight. A prime Mike Tyson with Cus D Mato in the corner, Mike Tyson would beat anyone.
no only fighters who are scared
Toney wasn't even heavyweight most of his career. Roy Jones beat toney
Style makes fights
Spinks took a knee after a bodyshot...8 count...then he ducked into Tysons right hand...it was a short hook more so than an uppercut...u can see his eyes rolled back into his head from the above ring camera angle...vicious
Holyfield is in denial regarding Toney. Holyfield’s own trainer said Toney was better than him. Boxing isn’t about power, it’s about skills.
Darron Brown how is he in denial. He said he didn't quit cuz it ain't him. He never talked to his corner about quitting in any fight so why start with toney.
Darron Brown
UR CRAZY.. Holifield destroyes Toney in his Prime.. when Toney was heavyweight there was no Great Heavyweight fighters. PETERSON FUCKED TONEY UP AND HE WAS MEDIOCRE in his prime.. Mike Jo's Toney in 4 round PRIME for PRIME
I'm, not the one you have to convince. You have to talk to Holyfield's trainer. There is a video of it so it shouldn't be difficult. Holyfield's trainer said that James was better than Tyson and Holyfield. He has never been knocked out and has more KO's than both Tyson and Holyfield. He said Toney's problem is that he didn't train. It shouldn't be hard to find the video. Holyfield also said that most fighters just stood in front of him. Toney was the 1st fighter to ever move constantly.
Carl Mannerheim i completely agree with you and Tyson was amazing from the age of 18 - 22. With that being said honestly man... Tyson never beat anyone who was big name and in their prime. I mean Holyfield wasn’t in his prime when he beat Tyson. Toney beat way more named fighters than both this guys.
Steven Matthews forget about prime it Toney fought Holyfield a few years sooner Holyfield still beats that ass! Holyfield was shot when they fought he should have retired 3 fights before that one. I'll always have love for the "REAL DEAL" straight up Warrior!
Prime Toney wouldn’t lose to buster douglas.. just sayin
Real deal in good shape. He's kept himself very well
The question about Toney is asked because Seckbak has spent time with Toney, and he believes what James has told him. James Toney was at his peak as a fighter when he fought Roy Jones. He lost! So there you go. As Evander says “Mike would murder him”
Toney hands down! It looks better for Holyfield if he says James Toney would win, because he lost it Tony and beat Mike Tyson. James Toney was pound-for-pound one of the best fighters to ever fight. Tony was a better fighter, smarter fighter, and better defensive fighter. He set up his job excellent as well.
If you stand in front of Mike like Toney does...you lose. Thats Holyfields point and he's right. Toney doesn't even have power to bring into the equation.
But he stand there because of his defense! Plus all this is speculation there is no point of arguing it will Never happen for any of us to prove our point
Prime Tyson would destroy prime Toney no messing!
Mike tyson lost to anybody who wasn't afraid of him and I know James toney wasn't scared of anybody I say toney beats mike by a late stoppage or ud
He'll naw Mike in his prime didn't lose
the tyson that lost to holly beats toney
I agree!!
That's why we settle it in the ring. Styles make fights. Toney is a defensive counter punch specialist. Perfect style to beat Tyson.
Lights Out in his prime was super middleweight - light heavyweight. Mike is heavyweight. That fight wouldn't happen in their primes.
Toney all day.... one of the best counterpunchers ever, absolute granite chin, Toney would've chopped him up
LOL, right stand right in front of Mike Tyson 's face all night throwing light counters. That's going to work.
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He’d have to train but yeah I believe he could do it.
Tyson with Rooney was the best. He would have ko'd Toney in 1 round plus Toney would have definitely been scared. But of course Toney will never tell us that.
Dumbfuck statement. Toney scared of a guy who got koed by buster douglas in his prime? Who got koed and beat twice by a guy he koed easy? Lmao sorry but no
Stevin swinson doesn’t matter who it is. Tyson dickriders always have excuses. Saying Toney would’ve been scared lmao what a dumbfuck comment. Toney would grab niggas by the throat at weigh ins. Punked eubank and benn on live tv. Stood directly in front of everybody he fought, including heavyweights with nasty power. You don’t know shit about Toney, and you very obviously don’t know shit about boxing either. Talking about mike koing toney lol but who’s been knocked out and who hasn’t? Oh ok. When’s the last time tyson knocked out a great fighter? Better yet, When’s the last time mike knocked out a good fighter? Oh ok. Educate yourself cause you a rook
Toney most def not scared. He brave enough to get his ass whooped in UFC but u think he scared to box (his career)
Tyson with Rooney couldn't ko James "quick" Tillis!😂😂 GTFOH!
Like he KO'd Buster in One Round?
He definitely hit Spinks!!!
Anybody that even thinks James Tony would have a chance to beat Tyson does not know boxing.
Toney all day. Plus he couldn't intimidate Toney.
Yep ! Toney by knockout
I appreciate when the fighters ,that boxed Mike Tyson tell the truth about boxing Mike Tyson. Keep in mind most the fighters at that time were freaks of nature. 💪
In my Holyfield voice, 'When Toney punched me he didn't have the power, but Mike Gonna Clean You Up' lmmfao
Holyfield didnt beat Tyson fairly. Headbutts and Steroids.
Holyfield DIDN'T headbutt Tyson. Tyson ran into Holyfield. Holyfield was NEVER penalized for any Headbutts and the Refs correctly ruled so. It was called "accidental Headbutts. Tyson NEVER was taught how to work past a jab of a Man coming TOWARDS him. That's why I said Kevin Rooney was a horrible trainer and Cus D'amato was one dimensional. That's why Patterson fired him after the second Liston fight. Holyfield WAS on Steroids...So was Tyson. Evander kicked his ass fair and square!
The Spy: Tyson wasn’t on steroid you dumbass, Tyson on steroids would be a living Incredible Hulk, Tyson was naturally all muscle since the age of 12. Get your facts straight and stop talking out your ass
The Spy: I’m saying Tyson wasn’t on steroids. He didn’t need them. You can tell yourself because he was kinda chubby when he was in his prime. Use a braincell. Teddy atlas said himself that Tyson was all muscle by the age of 12. You know who supplied him? Yeah and I bet your friends with aliens too 😆 get tf outta here, boy. Only a coward openly lies and talks bs. Stop with the tough guy act on a CZcams comment section or you’ll just end up getting bullied.
@@SK_Esskay You must not have a CLUE who I am. Tyson was on Steroids. Period.
The Spy: I couldn’t care less about who you think you are. Tyson was clean.
Tyson never been cut till he fought holyfeild due to headbutts he never bled ina fight till he fought lewis
Tyson the shit
I think what Malinaggi was saying is because of the way Spinx lashed there. He ain't want to fight anymore. As Holyfield pointed out he was beat before he got in the ring. He accepted that money but really ain't want a fight.
Pauli your right a lot of times but your wrong about Micheal Spinks he got hit with a uppercut that had his eyes rolling!
Take away the Head butting Mike Beats Holyfield Everytime
Let's put things into perspective. Holyfield beat Tyson but lost to Toney. Who do you think he's gonna say would win?
fighta trufighter tyson at 33 would have killed toney
fighta trufighter real deal wud of beat toney in cruiser days,all about timing in careers,both legends
Termo Oh you mean the Holyfield that came back to beat Oquendo and was robbed against Valuev for the WBA title? Well the Tyson that Holyfield beat was washed up too.
Butter White At 33 Tyson wouldn't have been facing Toney because James wasn't even in the heavyweight division. Anyway, Mike at that time was facing the likes of old washed up Botha.
Mr Cocknose Holyfield's prime was cruiser and Toney's was middleweight. Fight wouldn't happen.
Paulie sure knows his boxing
James Toney doesn't have the natural frame and power to hurt Mike. For that reason alone Toney would lose.
It would look like Toney-Barkley, only Mike's slower than Iran so he'd land even less; it wouldn't matter that he hits harder when he doesn't land anything. Toney all day.
Lou Duva barkley and tyson are totally different fighters!! Plus have you seen tysons speed? Tyson is way faster than barkley!! Cant believe you think tyson was slower
"Mike's slower than Iran" ----people that is all you need to read to know for crtain that this clown dont know shit.
arvik skoynib he must be talking about late career Tyson. Mid 80s tyson was terrifyingly fast.
Are you crazy? You must not watch boxing
Go watch tyson in his prime he was nothing of slow. Watch him hit the bag when he was with rooney 3 power punches in a second excellent defense what are you guys watching
James Toney had enough skill not to get Knocked out by Mike Tyson . James Toney Had A great chin , Mike Tyson does not , ( prime Mike Tyson was Before age 23 ? After beating the a living legend Trevor Berbick he decision 19-5 Bonecrusher Smith in waltz. Koed the Great Pinklon Thomas , another legend TNT tucker, Tyrell Biggs , Tony tubs , Super prime Larry Holmes 35 and 2 year layoff. Carl Williams Frank Bruno . His Best win is over scared Light Heavy Michael Spinks. Boxing experts soooo sure Mike Tyson wins . This is why it wouldn't be that easy, Tyson intimidation NO, James Toney absolutely destroys forward coming fighter. Which chin is the solid one double check that 5 ko losses and was on route for 6. Has been reported to be downed by Mccall and Page in sparring. Best fighters Tyson fought Holifield and Lewis 0-3 should have been 3ko losses. What is the evidence? I think good fight for both lots of action & I believe we never saw the best Tyson after Cus Damato.
they dont need to fight each other they were both great and have nothing to prove to anyone but if thats what they wanna do then thats what there gunna do but dont pressure them or force it its just conversation nothin more
True! But James tony can always change the momentum of any fight, and mike been hurt before
Everybdoy has been hurt before
James Toney and Tyson were both heavyweights around early 2000’s one guy doesn’t get to go back to his prime match them up around 2001 and James Toney outboxes Tyson to a UD
2001 Tyson was like 10 years past his prime, we talking both boxers in their prime, Tyson wins easily
HOLYFEILD lying about that so called injured shoulder. I notice he never bring up that Steroid usage
James Toney all day. Not even disputable. James Toney, the master of angles, shoulders and balance. He would anger and frustrate Tyson to no end.
evander,a great warrior.195lb and fought giants,great heart,
You notice 20 years after Mike's retirement every boxer that gets interviewed to this day is asked about Mike Tyson. What was it like to get hit by Mike Tyson? How would this guy do against Tyson?
I don't know any of these boxers today and it's kind of boring watching them fight. I haven't known who the champ was since Tyson.
I can tell you that people all knew who the champ was from Tyson back. He broke boxing I don't watch boxing, I watch old Tyson fights.
🤜🏾"Mike would've killed him". Evander said that instinctively, like... was that a trick question🥊?
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Seck Bach must've run out of questions. I didn't even listen beyond that "no brainer"🤦🏽♂️
He said that because he’s salty about losing to an ex middle weight who was never disciplined and was still considered one of the greatest of all time. We never really got to see Toney at the peak of his powers.
"I think Michael retired before that fight even started". 💀
How is that even a legitimate question? Mike would've bodied him. Point, blank, period.
Toney was an amazing fighter at middleweight and super . At heavyweight its tough against Tyson a full top 5 heaveyweight of all time easy . All those shots Toney blocks with his gloves are a issue against Tyson they would still affect him. Just too much power .
Holyfield was not in his prime against Toney , so the question is crazy Prime TYSON VS TONEY
love this man. hes a spiritual Champ.
Peace- Respect I love you baby doll
No that’s not even worth the discussion cause when Tony was his best was when he was at middle weight or light heavy The question is Tony vs Bernard Hopkins back when they where in there prime
Mike Tyson vs James Toney?.. Randy Couture all day.