Is this the worst case of bullying by a company? (The Behringer /Peter Kirn Cork Sniffer incident)
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Ian discusses the bullying of Peter Kirn by Behringer and the fallout from the Kirn Cork Sniffer video
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This whole thing is typical of social media these days. Drama blown up out of all proportion and fake racial/bigotry connotations thrown in for good measure. People getting offended by a silly immature post and not taking it for what it actually is, a joke. It's probably un-professional by Behringer but Kirn could easily use this whole thing for his benefit and come back with something witty to make Behringer look silly and use it for some publicity. Instead the SJW mob jump on it and try to make it worse than it actually is. Ian I thought better of you man. No need to spread mis-information and jump on the band wagon for a few clicks. Un-subbed.
Hi Richard you are welcome to your opinion and I'm sorry you unsubbed but I stand by my video, Peter Kirn in the Art+Music+Technology podcast he said that he didn't find it funny and is glad it all over. I didn't do the video for views, it only recieve just over 3000 views.
Behringer have history do you remember the Auratone incident maybe not here a message about it from Alex Jacobsen of Auratone
Hi all,
This is Alex Jacobsen with Auratone, grandson of the late Jack Wilson, the founder of Auratone and creator of the beloved 5C speaker. I'd like to help bring some clarity to this topic.
The Music Group/Behringer Auratone C5A and C50A are not related to us and our Auratone 5C in anyway. We have not sold nor licensed the brand. We are in a pending lawsuit with Music Group in US District Court regarding this matter.
There is also pending ligation in Europe in the EUIPO, and a decision in that case is imminent. All of these cases are of public record.
Auratone has been a family business for over 50 years, and we continue to operate as one, the way Jack would have wanted it. We look to carry on his legacy and are committed to protecting that.
Alex
Behringer has also unsuccessfully tried to sue Dave Smith Instruments in the past and have now allegedly cloned Arturia’s Keystep, we'll have to wait to see what happens there,.my company Sinners Music could sell Behringer products and I have in the past but I refuse to have any involvement with this company now, and lastly this isn't misinformation Richard, you just have to do a little research to see the dodgy practices that are going on. Be well and take care Ian
@@IanJCole Ian, I know all about Behringer and their dodgy business practices. I would never defend copyright infringement in the manner they do it. And Peter Kirn has every right to criticise and expose Behringer all he wants. But Behringer also have the right to their own opinions and in turn mock someone without being accused of things which are not true. I would not condone Behringer's business practices, but the incident brought up the ugly side of the internet. The ghastly SJW mob with their pitch forks and their vengeful lies. They took Peter's side trying to defend him but as usual took it way too far. But defend him from what? It was nothing but childish mocking, which in turn was twisted and turned into something far more sinister with fake anti Jewish connotations. And Ian, I disagree completely about you not using the situation for clout. You've obviously used a clickbait title, hoping for more exposure than you received, it just didn't work. The word bullying in this situation is very interesting, the way it was handled and portrayed actually had some people thinking maybe it's the other way around. Just take a look at your down votes....
No, a professional company exudes bullying and terrible taste for going after a man on a personal level. Imagine if Apple / Microsoft / Google did this against an individual because they expose that companies law suits? There’d be an outrage. The only reason why people like you defend Behringer is because they provide a wide range of affordable audio products and you’re scared the company would lose so much credibility that people would stop buying them and that would take away your source of affordable instruments/gear. Thats all there is to it.
@@hedegaard8 The tech companies do plenty of bullying in my view with their arbitrary censorship of videos on all kinds of subjects, particularly those related to events of 2020.
@@davebellamy4867 But do they go after someone personally? No.
"I don’t think we should organise a society around the sensibilities of the most easily upset people because then you have a very neurotic society." John Cleese
Exactly
Overall they could have responded better to the criticism, but I really think they shouldn't have taken down their apology, that's just cowardly. Just very unprofessional really, the only people who they damaged was themselves.
Great work Ian. Thank you for speaking out
thanks Peter
I mean honestly, the behringer guy is a sleazeball when it comes to the stealing trademarks stuff. Yeah he tends to give them back but only once the PR damage is looking to become bigger than any potential profit off the products they sell via false advertising.
But I'm going to be real, those pranks were all bloody hilarious. Come on, making a toy synth and saying he's going to name Kirn is a well played troll. If only this was his first and last time stealing trademarks, we would have believed him when he said he didn't mean it.
One and a half years later, the "gift of a scandal" still brings a click to your channel.
Ive got news for you. When you buy certain types of pedals, no matter which brand, you're buying Behringer parts.
Firstly, I do think bullying on social media - we’ve all gotta take a stand against it.
And the antisemitic coincidence - I do believe that was an unintentional oversight, many people on Twitter etc have been misrepresenting it as deliberately racist and antisemitic, which I think is very bad of people. I think it is worse than the original oversight. Co-opting minority groups oppression, also it’s trivialising the seriousness off the history of antisemitism. It’s literally has the dangers of the tale of “the boy who cried wolf”.
I’m glad you (Ian) haven’t gone down that route.
Let’s be honest about recent history in the synth world, Behringer has been bashed excessively by many in the synth community, some of it justified, much of it isn’t. We do exist in neo liberal capitalism after all.
I’ve no doubt many people bashing Behringer with the racist stick is still part of the disgruntled bunch who are annoyed less wealthy people can afford behringer s lower cost gear.
Behringer has apologised, and they likely deleted it because it’s an absolute s***storm.
A journalist being mocked in such a way isn’t nice - but he isn’t being hounded by the press either, it seems the community has his back rather than Behringers, fair enough.
I don’t think it should be blown out of proportion though, considering the suicide of Caroline Flack due to media hounding - it’s not that bad, nowhere near.
I am far more disgusted by the people happily milking racism and antisemitism to bash Behringer.
Mr. Behringer claimed it was his marketing department that thought it up and released it - he didn't so much apologise as throw his own team under the bus. Which tells you something about the toxic atmosphere in which these people operate, an atmosphere of which also this "joke" is a nasty outcome. The antisemitic thing is just a cherry on top. I have no problem believing it's unintentional, but it's an unintentionality that displays an impressive amount of ignorance that's incompatible with giving a shit, especially for a GERMAN company.
Not buying any of their stuff anymore...
Call me edgy but I've always despised hipsters like Kirn so I can't really get mad at Behringer for this. If I called them immature I'd know that had it been up to me it would've been worse.
Yes, I know he has his own brand of cheap boutique equipment but it's not really the kind of thing anyone just getting started into music production would know about.
I've had nothing but bad experiences with products from this company - my wife bought me my 1st ever recording interface from "them" and it NEVER worked. Support was appaling/none-existent, drivers were never updated, it was released and abandoned - a cash grab imho. However, this is TOO FAR. Not acceptable in any way.. Peter needs to get a lawyer on this, taking it down doesn't mean it didn't happen. Thanks for bringing this to our attention Ian!
thanks for this paul
Never mind. Behringer may self destruct if they use or misuse Tom Oberheim's name. It would be interesting to see if they go that distance. The Synthpunk will sort them out.
Sorry I've had to remove the sound of the Kirn Corksniffer video because of a copyright claim
HAAA!!! 😂 Looks like this "IS" ok, and you were in the wrong by STEALING copyrighted material!
I don't agree with the way Behringer handle their business/ greavence with Mr Kirn. However there is a massive smell of hypocrisy in the air on many levels . Heres is not the platform to bring them forward or address them.
However I think more than a few folk need to dig deep upon what they view as acceptable or not .
Apologies if that comes across a bit vague and arrogant.
I hope you can understand the gist of what I'm saying.
I have never seen a single piece of behringer equipment being used...ever.
However, I have heard several disparaging comments about their quality.
Geez, it's not just Kirn! Mutable Instruments, Loopop, Plugin Guru, on and on. If it was just the one incident i'd still say Uli is a sh!t but it's a long list of scumbag moves.
I find them annoying as fuck as a company. All they do is rip off other brands using crap components. I recently found out they have ripped off blackstar amps even down to the ISF control. Now I am a blackstar endorsed artist and they have been really good to me. So it fucks me off massively that they are pulling this crap.
for a company with a known image problem, the video seems like the worst idea ever...
~ i've been buying synthesizers since '86 and this year i bought my first bery product, the K2, and i gave it a glowing review on gearslutz...But this is disgraceful behaviour and i'll be spending my retirement funds elsewhere from now on... ~
i appreciate that many have no option but to budget, something i was considering after being so impressed by the K2, - but no, - empathy, compassion and understanding have always been the three most important, guiding principles in my life, and behringer appears to be devoid of all three... I'm not familiar with peter, but even if he was being a dick, behringers actions are indefensible, in my personal opinion...
i feel sorry for those like Rob Keeble and others, i'm sure they would never behave in such a fashion, - but are now designing products within a corporation that appears to be so narcissistic, it has lost all sense of self-judgement..
i'll keep the K2, it's unbelievable value for money, compared to my vintage collection, ~ just a shame they didn't just let their products do the talking... i'm sure they'll continue to prosper anyhow...
*knowledge talks lowly, ignorance talks loud*
~love to ALL, feel no hate~
yoy are emboying exactly the antithesis of what you said your values are.
what are you talking about, - i quite clearly stated that i felt sorry for the individual, well-behaved employees at behringer... And i've bought many fine products from Rob of AMSynths in the past as he lives quite local to me, and i know he'll be extremely disappointed by behringers recent behaviours... 100%
all a corporation is, is an organization, that acts as a single entity, - principles don't apply to most corporations, because as a collective they rarely have any, - as behringer, as a whole, has so clearly displayed...
what behringer are doing for the consumer is admirable, but the way they treat the industry is questionable, - as i stated before, they should just let their synthesizers speak for them... doepfer, roland and korg have never behaved this way, when people knocked their boutiques, volcas and utilitarian module designs, - what makes behringer so thin-skinned, - that's the real question, i mean, they're not exactly showing confidence in their own products by behaving in such a fashion, - why are they so defensive???
~love to ALL, feel no hate~
Now it's three years later.
In the meantime: which was the first Behringer synth you bought?
Behringer have been a guilty pleasure for years. Used their V-Amp Pro for practice since 2005 or so up until yesterday (got a Mooer GE200 to replace lol), love their rip off of the metalzone (has some cool smoothness that the original doesn't have, probably a happy accident lol), etc. I think I have some other stuff too like a mixer. But yeah, let's not pretend they rip off companies constantly. I originally bought the V-Amp because it had a lot more "Metal" models than Line 6 included in the product (Line 6 had metal models for sale online) at the time.
thanks for this I don't know about the V-amp
Guess I got lucky, in that I only bought 1 piece of B gear in my life. It was a 3 channel mixer, I had it for about 6 months. I was just starting out DJing, got a gig at another highschool that a friend attended. right in the middle of the gig, the mixer just died. my friend was humiliated 4 sure as it was his HS .... yea, I learned a hard lesson that day. save up ur money, or at least don't buy B gear.
Yea, this rooster sniffer stunt is INSANE !! it literally defines bullying. The bully thinks it's funny. A joke. It's not tho...
Does it have midi?
Look every Behringer pedal I have owned was bad ! Now with a new Odyssey / arp and hold glitch's Next a Poly D keys not working Next another new Poly D control knobs not working. They look nice , sound good but made of crap . Just try and deal with Music Tribe !!! All returned back too that huge pile in Las Vegas for repair . One of my sellers said " Sorry you had to experience that, Behringer is a company of making money first before anything, they are a necessary evil in this industry, I sometimes make a good amount of money with them, and then, I have headaches that will never end with them "
I think you can't work with gear
I can’t believe people are defending Behringer on this. I’m sure they’d change their minds if a corporation personally went after them.
Did they REALLY go “after” him though?
Or did they just make a joke that people got overly offended by?
That’s a serious question btw lol I don’t know much about Peter Kirn tbh
@@markmanter6508 I never thought the intention was antisemitic. But it is odd that Behringer actually felt the need to spend the time, energy, and money to produce a video directed at a critic. That’s some Scientology kind of behavior.
Please learn to forgive people... and who knows... when your time comes... they may forgive you. ✨❤️✨
Love you, everyone!
Companies aren't people. They dont have feelings.
the most fun part:
Kirn is Meeblip
In house marketing teams typically position themselves as close as posiible to the board of directors/CEO. The toxic combination of arrogance and ignorance is not specific to the music industries and is rationalised by the employees.
Why does this video have so many dislikes? The company is obviously just a malicious bunch of copycat sociopaths living in an alternate reality fed by greed and a fanbase of poor ignorant sheeple that have no concept of fair competition. Every single thing they have done as a company only further proves that they do not care for humor and are only interested in defamation and silencing of the truth that they are nothing but exploitative in their strategy: only when the shit hits the fan do they do anything remotely socially acceptable, at the minimum level required to stay afloat as the top rip-off gang.
Well said!
Cork is also close to co*k, so this is also insinuated with this?
A company as huge as Behringer should expect criticism of their products and shouldn’t waste their time with personal attacks. To go as far as to brand his name? Wow, If anyone needs to “man up” or “stop being a baby” it’s Behringer.
I know i shouldn't but i laughed so hard at the synth, not good with a broken rib.
There are more outrageous rules in British mental health acts, rapping, violating individuals by NHS corporation than this. Behringer comparing to NHS is little mickey, having good sense of humour. As usual, in Engleslands, when lawyer bums it's fair, when law gets bummed its "scandalous". Lots of butts are starting to fiddle with tounges then. I love Behringer! None of British lawyers waved a finger when I've being mobbed and bullied for many years in biggest Englee company, in NHS, by the Police. But it always worked in opposite direction. Behringer! Do the justice!
marketing or corporate lawyers
how do you mean Mark?
Why did you censor the audio? that shit was funny
there was a copyright music claim so I had to remove it sorry😟
What Peter did was a serious attack on a brand.
Behringer’s response was a playful, harmless joke.
To any who were actually offended, you have tested positive for cork-sniffery.
I’m off to go buy a synth.
I'm not sure you can say it was a 'Harmless' joke Reed - What synth are you buying I'm looking at the Hydrasynth
Ian J Cole The hydrasynth is wicked! I hope you get it and love it.
I can’t rationalize spending $1300 on a synth at this point in my life. Not impossible though to scrape up $350 for a Pro-1 without shorting my wife and kids
Behringer is too much. Its cool that they do copies of old synths, but being offended about being called a copycat company is just petty. I do like how they listen to what their uservase wants
Take a look around the world at all the actual genuinely offensive things that go on and get some prospective. On a scale of 0 -10 this is 0. Seriously !
No, it's pretty tame by any standards. And Kirn's content is unsufferable
to the people who deny that it's bullying, are you willfully ignoring the fact that Behringer was planning to trademark Peter's last name while mocking his products in the past?
Trademark his name and do what? An f#ing joke!! Stop being overdramatic snowflake, how can u even reach so far over the reality and claim its bullying? Complete nonsense and sensationalism. On the other hand kirn has biasedly attacked the company for years. U see how dumb your argument is!
I think if they would have actually done this then you would have a point.
I think I will avoid purchasing any products from such a petty company.
Good, more for us sane people then
Not a bad joke at all . Everything on the world is copycat look at cars bicycles , Fender guitars , milkcans , motorcycles , jack cables , televisions , computers , airco's . The big thing is the haters gonna have probs soon selling the old junk .
I'm with you on this one, Ian.
thanks Blake
Hardware guys are often pretty elitist. Don’t know anything about Peter Kirn but I regularly cringe at opinionated hardware snobs whose music is awful.
I agree with you !! Personally, I never really liked Behringer because of the quality and now because of his childish attitude.
I think its the other way . When you see drummachines and synths like Yocto , acidlabs miami , nava , ttsh 2600 , Cyclone Bassbot nobody is screaming .
How did you transform mockery into bullying? ball breaking humor into malice? might not be the classiest of moves but come on... does everything had to be so dramatic?
Today? Yeah. Lol. Nobody clicks without drama
Why do people keep positing the Kirn is just some “normal guy” or this is if Behringer just took a jab at some person on a message board. Kirn runs one of oldest synth sites on the web... he makes synths too. And the site continuously takes post shots at Behringer synths (this video at least showed a few headlines)... some how Kirn gets a pass on this even though there seems to be a conflict of interest being the head of a synth media outlet and also being a budget synth maker. Kirn is NOT one of us, he isn’t a face in the crowd with no voice or platform. This isn’t a story of big corporation punches down on some no one. So please drop this narrative.
my thoughts exactly , he does not get a pass , he has had a beef with behringer for years and now they satire him and they are the bad guys ? fuck that noise , freedom of speech works both ways
@@valley_robot freedom of speech is also freedom to criticize speech
And who started the beef? Behringer wouldn't have looked twice at Kirn until he started bashing their brand. I mean, you have to manage your expectations. You pay cheap for audio gear, you can't expect miracles.
@@samwellboy the issue is it’s hypocritical to be pissed at Behringer for finally taking a shot back at Kirn after years of using his platform to shit on Behringer
@@Vitaphone please show me an article of his that approaches Behringer in a similarly personal/disrespectful way, and I'd be happy to take your point into consideration. I have so far only seen criticisms directed at specific business practices that could have been refuted on their own merits. Behringer could've changed my mind in stead of making me suspect they're a bunch of edgy toddlers.
It’s funny.
Imagine getting offended over this lol
How sensitive we are all getting these days. Yeah maybe it was a bad joke. I saw this video and thought it was quite funnny. I did not know Mr. Kirn and also not his dispute with Behringer at that time. I took it as a general joke about synth snobs. I still see no anti-semitism in that video. If this is releated to german pictures from back then. They look very different. I own some Behringer synth and i like them quite a bit. I also own synth from Moog, Yamaha, Arturia, Roland and also like them a lot. Of course i am not that deep in to the synth community to know all the pro and cons of all the companies. But i am under the impression the Behringer is the no 1 disliked company in the synth scene at this time. Yes they copy old synth and make them available cheap. So what? This is old gear with run out patents. Other companies are doing this too. But of course not at that price level. Arp 2600 for example. I could understand the outrage if there was evidence that Behringer is exploiting his workers. Which I have not seen yet. So I have to give them the benefit of the doubt. I also think that most people that oppose Behringer do not give a shit about this when it comes to all the other companies in the market they buy stuff from. I bet most of them use Smart phones and do not care a little bit about the workers in China.
It wouldve been better had it been dirrected at synth snobs in general and not kirn specifically. Its still a stupid joke. But its also not malicious enough to qualify as bullying.
Well said.
Badjoke lol
Who cares, as long as their synths sound right at a good price? No lack of so called bulling will replace what Behringer is doing for us! As artists, think of all the suffering we have had waiting for the gear Behringer has provided against all odds. Behringer, your not exactly perfect but I praise you. And thank you!!!! ingratitude is like a disgusting plague. Fight The Filth!
I am a self destructive sociopath, so I can relate to and am a fan of Uli. I pretty much hate everyone, bring on the Behringer gear baby!
Bullying?? Oh, bunk THAT!! Peter Kirn is a public purveyor of his own opinions, and thus is fair game for backlash he garners for those opinions. If you can't take the heat, then stay out of the kitchen! And there was NOTHING antisemitic about it, no matter how badly you virtue-signaling fruits wanna make it out to be! In MY humble opinion, the only thing Behringer got wrong was the typo in the word "cork!"
The cover of the game looks vaguely anti-Semitic
That intro though. Bit of a narcissist?
I sometimes wish that people cared more about their own lives instead of "contributing" to something that doesn't concern them first person. What's the point anyway? Does anyone here really think that he can rightfully speak up for (or against, respectively) Behringer or Kirn? Let's be honest: Nobody knows what's been going on between these guys for the last few years.
Needless to say the we all could have easily done without this rather silly (and possibly counter-productive) Cork Sniffer video - but hey, nobody was seriously insulted or injured. So let's just go home, cool down... instead of playing high court.
Unlike the anti Behringer fanatics, who downvote any video talking positively about Behringer, I will not downvote your video, because it is your opinion and you are entitled to it.
thanks ADHD ;o)
We’re you aware that behringer has recently given or about to a number of musical instruments to the poor!
To claim that you tube isn’t a forum for grotesque humour is absurd!
I found no offence from the ‘cork sniffing’ post
hi Oracle-001 I wasn't and thats commenable but that doesn't excuse their behavour
@@IanJCole and your behaviour is good ?
@@uvoikimovundutrauerblume3302 yes I don't bully or try to belittle people
Go behringer. They're killing it. I love the Cork Sniffer.
I thought it was hillarious, boomers are just jelous that they cant make nor understand 21st century online comedy/memes
@Thor Crowley it was the dankest meme I ever seen
@@pkarvo The boomers are good with it. Its the SJWs of all ages who raged against the joke and platforms that enable crap music gear journalism. Gearslutz permit hate speech towards Behringer as a person and company, and silence any other view. Music Radar went with the total misrepresentation of the joke because SELF INTEREST.
@@__teles__ totally agree mate, yeah perhaps it was more twitter SJW's and audio tabloid magazines however those gearsnobs on sonicstate were pathetic, esspecially that virtue signalling rich gear snob TY unwin guy
First off your argument was fair & didn't pull the fake racist card that in no way applies, thanks. 2nd I've got a Octave CAT so I kinda see how those that don't like Behringer because they are remaking instruments that only they use to be able to own feel. But I love my Neutron & want the 2600.
Basically(not you obviously) a large majority that was very vocal about Behringer being evil for remaking vintage synths with a low asking price....& cloning was all they've been complaining about, not Kern, Smith, etc. They hijacked the conversation with the antisemitic talk. Never mentioning Kern is not a jew, even Kern said that. So we never really had the conversation/debate of the joke, which was ppl not judging synths by their sound but by who made them & not being honest about the product.
thank you behringer for all the great gear
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Blah Blah Blah, keep virtue signaling. If they made something similar about me I would laugh my ass off. Man up.
I would be honored.
That troll was fkn epic!
kirn fd with behinger so behringer fd back
asdf have you created your own language ?
is Pinoccio antisemetism. You are all too nervous over reacting. Trademarking his name was true bullying though
So what!!!
"I will not be reviewing or buying anymore Behringer equipment"
Uli: "Oh no! Someone with less than 10k subscribers isn't going to support my massive company!"
ha ha thanks for the fanboy perspective from someone with Zero subscribers
@@IanJCole Perfect!
I mean Behringer must be crying in pain that a dude with 8k subscribers will not review their gear anymore...
Ne Valja and who cares what you think
@@IanJCole I think it's the opposite ;)
is peter kirn jewish? because that image looks like a merchant lol. i need to buy this synth just for the lolz
Sweet jesus, I really cannot bewkuve how sensetive people get on behalf of Kirn, I wonder how is going to outrage you today? Personally it's up. To behringer and Mr Kirn to soft this out themselves... I cannot help see the connection between this and the same antics tabloid ournalists have always laid out on anyone they like.. The fact its going the other way seems to have been beyond the pale. It will not affect in any way my listening choices, buying choices or anything else.
I thought it was funny
that says a lot about you Ernst
Grow a set and get a sense of humor !!!!
Yawn!!!
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