How to trim sails for going upwind. Tips from round the world sailor Brian Thompson
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- čas přidán 23. 08. 2024
- For the fourth video in the series Pip Hare is joined by solo sailor Brian Thompson, who has earned himself 25 world records, as he explains the art of upwind trimming.
Not very useful watching someone simply speak to a camera without the video demonstrating the effects on sail shape. For all the efforts that went into this video, with the big name, music, and voiceover, one would think the video would be more helpful. This is kind of typical of committee-based groupthink. Get your act together over there.
Totally agree. Complete waste of time.
useless
Lets see, if I got this correctly, Pips saying make sure you bring Brian along. This videos for people that already know how to do it and mess up a lot. To give you confidence to relax.
I am afraid I agree with the other comments, that this was not very helpful or clear, although Pip and Brian seem very nice and are obviously very good sailors. There is some explanation of why, such as trim the jib first because it effects the main and moving the jib fairlead aft to spill wind from the top of the jib. But these likely only made sense to those of us who already know why we would do such things.
Show the sails not the people
Actually I think this is a great short and sweet list of effective tips. Thanks!
I understood everything. Probably because I already knew...
Thank you, Brian.
Completely agree
Nicely done and demonstrated. I'm a bit curious though about whether these methods your describing can be applied in racing situations?
Yes. Sail trim matters even more when racing....
I'd argue that it's basically only racing sailors that care enough about sailtrim to do these things :)
Thank you. What’s your thoughts about having 2 traction points (double sheet) instead of a traveler to trim the main? I am not a racer but like to have a new cruiser as fast and technical as possible. Is the holy traveler a must?
You can adjust a traveler by centimeters, and be able to set it totally down in strong winds.
Two sheets will allow you to adjust adequately from low to mid wind, but will fall short on fast depowering.
You will also rely more on the vang upwind, so that's an additional concern to remember about, when the shit hit the fan.
For cruising, that's fine as you will supposedly reduce your sail plan before the issue occurs.
Paul Elvstrom was against any marks on sheets or anywhere actually. His advice? Don't look at a mark. Look at the sail, and then trim it! Of course, he also counselled to practice so much and so hard that you could always sail your boat at top speed..without looking!
Elvstrom...truly the King.
With that nice of a Boat, Why are YOU USING A FRAYED JIB SHEET ?
You said tighter backstay in stronger wind to flatten the sail...did you mean tighten the outhaul? If you tighten the backstay, won't that bend the mast back and get more pocket...deeper sail? Or does that flatten the sail? I'm trying to learn more about fractional rigs...not to troll. Thank you:)
Bending the mast flattens the mainsail. Assuming (as is usually the case) that tightening the backstay also tensions the jibstay/headstay, then the jib will flatten too.
As Marty says, tighter backstay will bend the mast (especially on a fractional rig with straight spreaders), which basically means that the masthead moves backwards a little which let's the head of the main twist out more, but it also bends the lower part of the mast forwards, curving the mast more and thus flattening the main.
It also tensions the headstay which flattens the jib and makes the luff sag less, so it goes better to windward :)
How much each of those effects actually happens depends on the rig and how stiff the mast itself is. A masthead rig doesn't really get much more effect than a tighter headstay/flatter jib, and perhaps just a little more bend in the mast if the rig was setup with some curve to start with.
A fractional rig with the headstay a long way below the masthead, that also has runners, straight spreaders and a soft mast tube may not tighten the headstay at all and on some boats I've sailed, it almost felt like it was just the top of the mast bending aft and to leeward. It still trims the main a lot though, but probably more by twisting the top more than flattening the lower part of the sail.
Video starts 0:55
on the mainsail--what about halyard tension, outhaul, cunningham.........
Fair questions, but probably too much to answer in a short video. For light wind ease all three to add fullness to the sail. Trim them as the wind gets stronger to flatten the sail. Trimming the cunningham moves the draft forward as wind gets stronger.
what's he mean centreline, centreline of what
uh, centre of the boat?!! The middle in a line fore and aft.
blairrob does the main sheet and the traveller both move the boom
Yup, if you were holding the end of the boom with your hand and moving it left or right would simulate the movement of the traveler while pushing it up or down would simulate the easing or tightening the main sheet. That said, both do the job of the other to some degree.
What about setting the leech lines?
Simple. Always as little as possible. Do you need much tightening, you need a new headsail.
translation to english please ,Brian!
Could have explained better, hardly understood anything.
His explanation is excellent, but only if you're already familiar with basic sailing terms.
Waffle Waffle Waffle. It's a minute in before they actually start to say anything, and then he just waffles.
For expert advice, this was weak - what about changing the car position when you furl the genoa?
To be fair, one shouldn't sail with genuas partly furled, even less so with them furled so much that moving the car forwards matter very much. Furled genuas doesn't make for very good jibs, especially not for going upwind.
But sure, adjusting the car properly will oro8help to some degree, but it's a bit of a "lipstick on a pig" situation :/
Not even singlehanded racers sail with partly furled sails on bigger boats, they switch to smaller jib on an inner forestay or similar :)
@@Robinlarsson83 I'm not talking racing here. Just going out for a sail. Who wants to stop and change headsails when the wind is gusty. The great thing about a furling genoa is that you can react to the wind changes.
Of course, if you know much of the trip will be upwind, load your jib. If you furl the genoa so it's all in front of the mast, it is relatively small and high up. A jib will certainly be more efficient.
However, if you don't change the hauling position, the shape of the furled genoa will be awful.
the subtitles arent helping. i couldn't understand anything.
Well, do you know basic sailing terminology? If not, start there :) if you do know them, well, perhaps start over with the basics of sailtrim? :)
This wasn't very deep or technical tbh, and probably not really aimed at beginners.
But, frankly, those of us who know the basics and could easily follow along, we didn't really learn anything new here either :/ a good refresher if you've been of the seas for a bit, or if you know the basics but want to get more into performance sailing, which I'd imagine is actually quite a few people.
Considering how many sailboats you meet on the water that doesn't actually sail, or only sail very inefficiently, more people oro8dhould look at videos like this :P
Pip looked lost too!
absolute waste of 5 minutes of my life that I will never get back. The idea of making a video is to show the user by demonstration not stutter through a speech whilst trying not to smile
Meh. It would be a better video if you had more camera time on the sails to show the effect of fair-lead adjustments on head sail and traveler/main sheet adjustments on the leech of the main.
perhaps next time you can actually demonstrate or excecute the procedure in real time. Like after a tack or something.
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I agree no useful watching speeking. Wasted time👎
Pretty poor video...
yawn