MY HERMES JOURNEY IS OVER & GIVING UP ON THE MINI KELLY.
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- čas přidán 27. 12. 2023
- I don't think I was ever really on an Hermes journey, I was not buying a lot from Hermes and visiting the boutique regularly, but I did have a wishlist with hermes and my heart set on the elusive Hermes mini kelly. Talking to my good friend Deb from @wildunfiltered and watching her recent video on her Hermes journey being over, did give me cause to reflect on this wish for a mini Kelly, and how I have now accepted my journey with hermes is over and giving up on the mini kelly.
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#ameliarose #Hermes #hermesjourney - Zábava
I've always admired you for not participating in the misnamed "journey". It's not a journey. It's mercenary, manipulative extortion.
Absolutely agree. It’s a con not a journey.
Not for me for sure
Well, I don't agree it's extortion because there's no threat. No one needs a quota bag.
Amelia, as a long time Hermes shopper and owner of a mini kelly, I can say hand on heart that it’s an overrated bag. It is insanely expensive, increasingly elusive and frustrating to pursue in store, and when you finally take it home, it fits one phone (and only certain phones) and one card holder. You have a really beautiful b25 which is a far more substantial bag, and will stand the test of time. I am grateful for my mk2, but someone needs to speak the truth about the value of this eye wateringly expensive SLG.
I love it when we get hard facts. Thank you so much it is really appreciated so we know which bags to skip before making a costly mistake.
ive always dreamed of a mini kelly but started to be out of my radar when its impossible to get i have a constance 18/mini lindy/24/24 mini and jige clutch and feel like its more than enough for a hermes collection
Thank you so much for telling me this!
By the time most people get their hands on one, the mini-bag trend will be passé. I think that high priced mini bags are a bad investment. If anyone is going to buy a Kelly, IMO it should be at least a 28cm bag. That size will never go out of style, you can fit everything you need in it, and it looks good on any body type or height.
@@m.m.7757 yes mini bags are quiet over now especially with the whole the row bag trend it just proves people like more bigger bags and i keep telling myself the mini kelly 2024 isnt the same as to how it was in 2019, or maybe i just outgrew the trend
The whole idea that you have to beg a sales associate and be on a 3 year waiting list for a bag that is way overpriced to begin is unbelievable. I feel that if you have the funds available you should be able to purchase whatever you want. ❤
Hermes doesn't work like that unfortunately
I do not engage with Hermes.
I don’t look online, I don’t go instore.
I personally refuse to engage in a system that exists to generate profit by exploiting classism.
As a self made woman the entire premise makes me incredibly uncomfortable.
Just my position, nothing but love to those playing the game ❤
Amen.
Love this comment
Smart! Invest our money on property or stocks, worth it so much more! 😁
This video resonated with me so much. I had an amazing SA at the Washington, DC boutique who was also a friend. My biggest purchase was a Picotin 28 which I thought put me in a good position for future purchases. He left, and I quickly found out that wasn't true. They barely wanted to sell me a pair of Orans. Since that time I've visited boutiques around the world and have been met with the same coldness. Most recently in Athens, I was told the five items (non-quota) that I inquired about were not in stock. My response: "Is this a store or a museum?" It was insulting. Hats off to folks who have the money, time and energy to continue to engage in this game. I'm done.
That is terrible. I was once told they didn't have any bags in a local store. When the SA found out the manager told me they did all of sudden she had something she could offer me. That is when I decided that I was not doing that it is a handbag made of leather. While they are very nice they are not the only game in the world.
I was hoping you were going to say you were no longer buying a bag from Hermes- playing into their manipulative popularity contest. It just astounds me that people want to give them $30,000 AUD and they won't take it! Why would we encourage that bias?
I totally agree with this, and the haughty way in which it is done. Ps love your channel!
A lot of people have the money. Just not the desperation
Hermès has become more of an "aspirational" brand, much more widely known, resold, and counterfeited. Every influence peddler on the planet seems to have a dozen candy colored Birkins and Kellys. It's unlikely that they're all the real thing. The only way the company can retain its allure and air of exclusivity is by tightly controlling availability. This gatekeeping appears to be left largely in the hands of their sales staff. This leads to wild inconsistencies among H boutiques. This is a hot mess of a mistake on the part of Hermès. Snobbishness and extortion is not the way for H to go. It is alienating both new and established customers. They would be better off going back to waiting lists, with every boutique worldwide having the same clearly defined, WRITTEN requirements for getting a bag.
Hermès would logically want to avoid introducing a lower priced line. That would start the slippery downhill slope that other luxury brands have taken. They are relying on twillies, fragrance, and their makeup line to satisfy the aspirational itch.
It will be interesting to see what happens with Chanel's lawsuit against What Goes Around Comes Around. If they are successful in hobbling that reseller's Chanel business, other luxury brands will no doubt follow suit. Eliminating the resale business would largely solve their problem with overexposure.
What put the nail in my Hermes coffin was Dayle getting a bag with NO buying history and that disturbing story on how Meredith was treated. It is a popularity contest like high school and I never won any of those so I have decided it’s a big no for me. It’s a feel bad about yourself program and I’m too old to play that unfair game.
i understand this x
It’s there. Idk why it’s not visible. Sorry!
Soo.. from your comment I thought dayle got offered one in her home boutique with zero buying history.. someone getting a bag with zero buying history in Paris need not offend anyone because it’s literally always been an option for anyone there .. also for the ones disappointed so far “at home”, not just first time customers !
Did you see the video? Very obvious this SA offered the bag by liking Dayle, which is understandable because she’s very likable, but that was only the final nail. I actually stopped liking the bags. I bought both a Kelly and Birkin on the resale market and a lindy in store and sold them all. Too many beautiful bags that the SA are sweet and cordial and want to sell the bags. I feel sorry for Hermes SA’s having to push items the customer doesn’t want. I’ve moved on
Yes it is. They are ridiculous. They will one day need walk in clients. And not force us to buy unwanted overpriced items.
Honestly, this thing with the Hermes 'journey' is an introvert's nightmare 😅 I already feel stressed out when I am approached by SAs in other luxury stores, I cannot imagine having to call them myself and trying to build a 'relationship ' 😀. Otherwise, I think that some of their bags are beautiful and I would definitely consider them if it was easier to get one 💖
i fully understand this!
I think you explained why I’m so disturbed and I want to quit just after a month. I am generally a friendly introvert so that’s not the issue so much. But just going into the store and having to suck up and watching everyone bs so much I can’t take it. I just want to get out lol
There are FAR too many gorgeous bags that are available to purchase every day from so many wonderful fashion houses that I can’t get excited about some contrived journey with Hermes.
So true ❤
I totally agree!
I was blocked from the Hermes website, no explanation. I Googled & learned I had probably scrolled too fast!😳I have no interest in Hermes, confirmed by their treatment. 🌻
I did not know that was a thing!!
Hermes is out of reach for me so I have no stress surrounding getting one. 😅 I found a great alternative that emulates the Birken and Kelly in the Tory Burch Lee Radziwill Double bags. I have a regular (large) and petite size and am quite satisfied. Have a Happy New Year! 🎉❤
Thanks for sharing!
I’ve wanted a Birkin 30 for a long time, but my SA totally ghosted me after a year of building the relationship and turned me off completely from the brand. It’s nice not to care anymore. 🤷🏻♀️ I’ve since starting shopping at Loro Piana and their quality so far seems so superior to Hermes.
That was horrible of them
I'm currently in the same situation as you. My current ratio is 5:1 and after a yr of requesting to see if I can be put on a wishlist for a birkin, I feel my SA is trying to give me the runaround and false promise. Now, I'm contemplating whether to continue to go start my journey elsewhere
I just love how direct you are. How refreshing! I have no time for the silly bag games. I have plenty of lovely luxury bags that I didn't have to play games to get-so do you! You go girl! Looking forward to all your videos in the new year!
Thank you so much!
I think Maria Draganova waited almost 4 years for her first quota bag, and she lives in London, and goes to Paris several times a year. She's at all of the luxury boutiques on a regular basis, and owns a fairly large collection. Yet, I've seen others just starting out get a quota bag the first time they asked. I really think it's more of a cruel game of the SAs as to whether or not they'll deem one worthy, and not a corporate policy. Some people should not be given any kind of power, no matter how small. Control has become a power play more and more in societies lately, and this is one means that the little person behind the counter can be superior in their own minds. If everyone just stopped asking for them and bought second-hand, this problem would go away. Unfortunately, that's why the price skyrocketed double this year. 2 years ago, they were more affordable. Now, people are just fed up and not willing to play the game anymore.
I just saw a video of a woman that went for the first time to Hermes Paris and got a black BOX LEATHER Kelly, super rare handbag... it is like a Cassino, you never know if you'll win or lose.
I have seen some people seem to get them easily
Hermes is is an 'artisan' (craftsman) house. There is huge demand over supply possibilities, hence they want to offer their most illustrious bags to clients understanding H craftsmanship, brand and range of products. I personally never overspent at H to get a bag and I got offered more than 6 quota bags in the last 2/3 years. For the Mini Kelly, it is really a production issue as this bag skyrocketed after social media exposure. The way to get one, even for me as a long time H client, was to create a special order, which I did. Social media fell in love (very late) with Hermes and now everybody tries to say they are over Hermes... Consumerismm at its best! I am H lover, collector, for years and will continue to wear, enjoy my bags and other H items and will only shop whenever I really want something.
thank you for your insight, i think you are a true H lover x
Not necessarily true for everyone though. I have been on my journey for 1 yr now. My spending ratio is currently 5:1 and still has not been offered a quota bag. Even though my SA has been giving me false promises and the runaround that there's no availability at the moment. My SA also implied that there's no way of knowing when quota bags will become available. I, too, love the brand and want to continue with my journey. But it is discouraging at times whether to continue or not because maybe some SA just want to string clients along to play you for earning more cash. But they aren't serious about thinking to offer you a bag.
The Hermes journey is absolutely ridiculous. I don’t even like the look of their top bags. I would like to add another Evelyne, purchased mine from Fashionphile. While on vacation in August I went to the tiny Hermes boutique in Dublin. When I asked if it was available they told me they hadn’t received ANY leather goods in MONTHS. I thought that was crazy.
Why don't you check Hermes online on daily basis. I've seen at least ten Evelyne bags just before Christmas. You need to be quick though. They usually drop new stock around 3pm UK time. I've managed to buy online two other non quota bags this month alone. Hope this helps.
@@ceciliabrown3301 thanks for the tip. I was doing that earlier this year but gave up. I just may try that again.
That's Dublin exactly!
Happy New Year 🥂 One could write a psychosocial -impact thesis on Hermès marketing games . I believe that working as a Hermès sales associate ( especially the staff in charge of Kelly/ Birkin " section " ) must be the most stressful job in the fashion industry .
...or the most enjoyable and entertaining one for the sadomasochistic ones that derive pleasure from the game.
Interesting!
Hermès thinks differently from other brands. They want loyal costumers who love their brand, not people who just want a Kelly or a Birkin.
So when they have clients that purchase their other products and show appreciation for the brand, they offer a quota bag.
So if you love the brand, you'll enjoy the process and the Kelly/ Birkin will be a plus.
But if all you want is a quota bag, you'll be frustrated. So if you just want the bag (not the brand), purchase one in the resale market, less stress and frustration.
Yeah and then you go and ask for several items and they don’t have anything in stock
@@angiesubiaolivo1972 Yes, that's sad 🥲
Exactly why I went resale market
but Cassie's mother has a history with hermes, and thats a nepo bag. they'd loose both customers if the daughter didn't get one she wanted. thats how it works. and i believe the wishlist system was to cut out personal shoppers with 'ins' with staff and other avenues....but mainly to obtain the passport and location of their clients' big houses. if your address isn't the right zip code, you're not getting anything!
This makes total sense! But on the other hand if you get known by the brand, they will make an effort for you.
It's all facepalm stupid of course.
oh that is very insightful, thank you
Be free little bird 🦅 ❤
And fly!
All true! Happy New Year, Amelia!
And to you!
I’ve just bought several bags from Henry’s. They are made from clemence leather, have palladium hardware and are hand stitched. I didn’t have to spend money to earn them, fill out a wishlist or have a relationship with an SA. They were also all leases than 1000. Hermes can bite me.
Oh I need to google this
Your video randomly popped up on my feed this morning & OMG do I agree w/ every word you say 🙌 I have shopped @ H for 20+ years & while I genuinely love a lot of their items & have purchased many, I have always refused to play their game. I have declined more (bags) than I care to remember over the years (which has never gone down well & resulted in me never being offered what I really wanted). I watch all the videos of those who will buy anything (& I mean ANYTHING) just to stay in favour. I had a very interesting conversation w/ a H SA in Dubai recently & he said… “we don’t just want to sell you a bag, we want to take all your money & we are no longer interested in long term relationships either”. Straight from the horse’s mouth. So to speak.
Thank you so much! X
You’re definitely correct, living in NYC where the competition is tough into getting quota bag, I would say, having to live and visit my SA often got me really lucky into getting one without spending as much but having a really great relationship with your SA truly does matter.
i think that is so true x
This is why I love you. You're so honest and it truly is a waste of time and mental capacity. Take my money and don't make me wait for "credit" I never even started my journey with them and don't care to.
Thank you!
I got my first K35 during pandemic after 3 weeks of waiting , first B30 after 2 months of waiting and my second B30 after 1 year. All 3 in Italy. In Germany, where I live, I got my first B30 after 3 years of waiting without spending history.
oh that is fabulous, that is a great experience!
From the pyramid scheme-like, psychologically abusive 'journey', to the oversaturation on social media, to the Kardashians and Cardi B, it's enough to make my stomach turn.
I hear ya!
If I ever had to pic a Hermes bag, I would love the color you have. Just stunning.
You can get a belt in that grasshopper green colour. It would be incredible against navy blue, or white, or black or brown. But I'm throwing my hands up in despair. You cannot chose buckles separately it makes zero sense. I have a Bally belt I bought in Paris years ago and it's the best quality I've ever seen. It outshines Hermès from what I can see. It's fully adjustable so it goes from waist to hip effortlessly. I wish they had the same simple style but no, Bally has gone weird. Hands up in despair again.
I would like a sharp looking belt in white or a colour like that green it's so tremendous as a style edge. But hands. Despair.
thank you, it is rose pourpre x
I know when we want something, we want it now but really, just keep putting it down on your wishlist and wait. You could still be lucky one day and if you are you will love it all the more! In the meantime, you have a wall of bags behind you to play with and enjoy. Good luck.
Good way to think of it
"am i even on an hermes journey" i can't pinpoint why that made me laugh so much but I just loved the brutal honesty!!
You know me!
Lol! You know me!
I have a silk problem, not a bag problem at Hermes but I get you. Fortunately I have zero interest in a C, B or K, so I don't have a horse in the race, but the lottery thing makes me crazy. I want what I want as I want it and I do not want to be pressured into taking something I don't want. I'm just lucky I prefer the houseares and shoes and Calvis.
I have a silk and cashmere Hermes problem too. And if you don’t buy the scarfs when you see them it’s sometimes impossible to stumble upon them on the resale market. And when you do you have to make sure they aren’t gross… if you actually wear them.
@@handbagaddicted I do wear mine and omg yes!
Definitely better than being addicted to the bags!
I feel the same! Love their bags, but it’s just too much trouble, before even getting to the cost. ‘Take the hint!’ cracked me up!
Lol thank you!
I hear you girl! ❤❤❤
thank you! x
Enjoy our conversations😘 grateful Hermes has never sparked my handbag radar
I’m very happy with my birkin but not killing myself for another
I have a feeling those of us non-UK (or Irish) peeps are sitting here baffled from Deb and you talking about how the wishlist works/ed. It sounds like something that happens in some sort of fantasyland. Not the case here in the US, but we’re all very jealous :)
I didn't realise it was so limited!
I think the Hermes journey only works if you actually value and enjoy their products. I agree to the vast majority (and many who have posted here) that if you don’t like the brand then the journey makes no sense whatsoever.
But Hermes took their policy of only offering quota bags to regular clients from other luxury brands such as Rolex, AP, patek and Porsche so it is unfair to criticise H in isolation.
I have bought many of my bags from resellers and also enjoyed the store ‘journey’ but it only works for me as I value their products and I use them daily.
As for the mini Kelly you are probably better off with your gorgeous collection of Chanel minis…they are much more versatile anyway 😊
Love your comment ❤️
This is so true
Hi - thanks for this info! I have put my wish list in this year. I have absolutely no intention of spending loads of money or going on the “journey”! I only have a scarf which I purchased a few years ago. Buying a bag from store is a huge amount of money! I’ve been told that it’s not up to the individual SA to get the bags so I haven’t gone into store or called my SA as I didn’t want to annoy them. May never get the elusive Kelly bag but just going to see if it ever happens. If it doesn’t that’s fine but if it does - great!
this is such a healthy view point!
Great video, smart decision. 😊
I think so too!
Good for you for making the decision to set yourself “free” and saving yourself from frustration and disappointment. The mini Kelly is a very much sought after bag and the chances of that bag being offered through a wish list without at least a 2:1 pre-spend is 0. Why would they do that when there are clients who have been loyal customers, with close relationships with their SAs who also want that bag. Who would you choose to offer that bag to? Long time loyal customer or new customer who sometimes shops at your shop? You have a beautiful Birkin and other bags behind you. In the end they are just bags and not worth the mental and emotional stress just to get it. Happy New year🎉
totally agree with this x
The UK system has always been like a unicorn to those of us who don’t live there. The Wishlist is not something Australia has had in many years so spend is the only way to get a bag. I’ll be interested to hear your thoughts on a Constance 18 if you get one as they’ve never been in my list.
I can't understand what they're doing with the belts. Pre Christmas you could buy buckles separately, so you could get a belt and then different buckles.
Now it's the opposite ,you buy a belt complete with buckle and can only swap the leather belt not the hardware. It's mystifying.
Too hard!
Nothing to report back, you'll be the first to know!
Ok I’ve watched it all. ❤The key thing you mention is the effort , BUT you put your hands up and say you are not really making a huge effort I probably wouldn’t for a MK either. The problem with the mini kelly is demand outweighs supply by 1000s of folds, so if for example only they get 10 into your store per year and they have 1000 wish requests how do they share it. Well in order will come into it but when all things are equal of course ie wait time then other factors have to come into play and for sure it isn’t just spending. EFFORT is the biggest thing most sitting at home moaning are missing.
I live 500 miles from my store it’s not even in my country it takes me about 7 hours each way!! BUT I make the effort to go as regularly as I can. I don’t spend any money whatsoever on things I don’t want but on things I do really want and for sure it’s not 10s of £1000 I spend.
A Hermes lover or loyal client isn’t the bag only chasers sadly. ( don’t mean you I mean in general)
In 2018/2019 even 2020 bags were so so easy to get, demand then is nothing like it is now so the bag buyers from they years can’t understand why they have to get in line and make the effort like the rest of the world.
So many say oh the store is so far yet huge % of clients have to fly into visit their stores etc. peoples idea of effort vary so much.
I have a list of everything I’ve bought over the years and I’ve done well so please please don’t be fooled that it’s all just about spending or SA favouritism , he had 3 different SAs all have been amazing BUT they also see the effort I make and that I love the brand not just the bags.
I can’t wait till demand slows as there is at times such a sense of entitlement circulating with the brand just now.
A good friend of mine has bought Hermes for well over 10 years , she collects scarfs and buys an odd lipstick wee things she likes , the store know she loves the brand and she can get a bag regular if she wishes. Nothing to do with spending. She goes to store monthly and knows her store and knows the brand well. 💁🏼♀️💁🏼♀️ that’s my 10p worth.
I’ve found the biggest moans come from the ones who make the least effort. Xx
I think this is very true, and why this will never really work for me, because I don't love enough of the brand. I like some of the items, but not enough to say i love the brand and for me, I would be buying things to try and just find something to buy from the brand. I definitely don't love the brand overall enough to visit the store monthly, or to make the effort you are talking about. I fully accept I am not making that effort and therefore I don't think it is for me. I think for you it is very different, you love so much more about the brand, the shoes, your watch etc and it makes sense the bags are then made available to you x
@@ameliarosescloset see that’s where I think there is still a bit missed communications , do you know I don’t buy any shoes in store? None. Zero. I’ve got feet issues so I don’t buy shoes form my SA / or store , I buy them online or from other people . My gold Hermes ring I just got I bought preloved. My new gold Picotin I bought preloved , it’s brand new from a person I know . My blue nuit Evelyne is preloved. It’s not the ££ but the effort I think. To be really clear when I say effort I don’t mean effort in £££
I have a blanket like your one and guess what ? yip preloved. I didn’t buy it from store lol. So I love my stuff enough to buy it but smart enough to also buy not from store at substantially reduced rates. I paid £800 for my ring. It was. £1800 retail.
My watch was from store yes but the spend on that was nothing really considering I got 2 Kelly’s and a SO offer in the same year , one kelly and my SO offer was before I bought my watch also.
It is so hard to explain it on here but put your wish on again, maybe change the spec and wait it will come. Things are slowing a little. The best advice I can give is to visit and be patience. I only go to store 3-4 times a year but they know how far I have to travel and the commitment in time and money to do my visits.
I’ve never once in my life chased my SA to ask about my wish. I sit tight and wait.
People moan to SAs about 1-2 hour journeys and don’t realise that this in itself goes down like a lead balloon. I love my trips and you would be shocked how little my spending is BUT my love for the brand is clear. Hope this helps a little. Honestly most of it is common sense I think. I scratch my head at the things people say.
Let’s be honest so many have a few bags from store in the years it was way easier due to less demand yet they don’t like anything else from the brand so what should the brand look after them. 💁🏼♀️.
I saw someone moan about the wish system method being more specific ie size colour etc of course it has to be now. The demand is insane it’s to save time. That is proof that people were just taking any old offer too as long as offers were coming.
I know 6-8 people this year personally who all got their wish with next to no spend honestly. All different uk stores and all different SAs.
Oh one last thing. Your SA doesn’t allocate bags now it’s - allocation team. So that flattens the SA favouritism ideology. Allocation team match to client from wish and the manager approves. That’s the system.
Hope it helps. Sorry for long reply again.
It wasn’t like that back in 2016 when I first get my Hermes bag, I was in a business trip in Japan and I just went in to Hermes store there, I browse the clothes there and buy a dress which I do love, I was then offered a birkin 25 ghw in brown color. It wasn’t like this crazy back then, I hv also stopped buying from them since pandemic which they skyrocket the spending ratio, I do love the quality and craftsmanship and the after sale service was excellent. I had a pair of shoes which I worn a few times unfortunately scratched my feet I brought it back to H the SA take it back without asking further questions and allow me to exchange for another pair. Now their sales strategy is really discouraging even for middle class income ppl, so I hv stopped buying from them when the spending quota is more than 1, it’s getting insane
I think it has changed a lot
I just bought an Hermes scarf and that was super easy and fast. I am glad I don't want one of the bags because it just seems like a big farce and waster of my energy and time. Your tiger dior bag is 1000 times nicer and more special. Congrats on your decision because most of us came to that conclusion years ago!
Thank you!!
Yay the Gods of Sense have spoken! Get an unbranded dupe and have done with it 😂. If I was a Hermès SA and customers kept popping in, not to buy but just to tip me a wink and ‘remind’ me they’re still there, they’d be at the bottom of my list. Don’t take time away from me and customers who could be spending if you aren’t. I’d be proper miffed.
thank you!
i definitely gave up on luxury.. i should not be stressed & forcing relationships for a purse .. when i started my SA was bot burned out, and always reached out to me to spend money, not the other way around.. thats not luxury for me. im not spending beyond my means to get something that is not exactly what i want … and when i want. im thankful i started my journey in 2014 when luxury was frowned upon lol
i dont have these issues at coach lol
Oh that doesn't sound great
I like the Constance, but I’m indifferent to the Kelly or the Birkin. I don’t think I could bring myself to keep haunting the shop. I’d feel too embarrassed, especially if I had no intention of buying anything else. I do think the blankets look really cosy, though.
I like the constance too
I agree with you totally. I'd love to have a Kelly but I won't play that shite. So I tried for a picotin and even that wasn't available.... Maire from Mayo
Our store is so small as well
Hiiii, I absolutely agree with you,
NO Hermès journey!!!!!! ❤❤
Exactly!!
You know, I have personally been appalled by the "Hermes journey"; I have been since I first heard of it; people should be able to go in and purchase what they want, even if it takes a year to get; I think Dayle put it into perspective; "Hermes is quality, however, there are quality bags with from brands". I think we bag lovers get caught up in the hype; personally, I wish we as bag lovers would band together and stop buying Hermes and Chanel; the only way one can get fashion houses attention is to hit them in the pocket book; while on a rant (LOL!); I personally think the resale market is slowing, not just because of the economy, is in too many cases the bag price is above retail; I have found that to be the case with Hermes and Chanel...I am a Chanel lover.😊
I love my Chanel bags
You could hire an artisan to make you a beautiful bag with solid gold or platinum hardware, and it would be just as valuable and even more rare than an Hermes bag. I’m not talking about creating a custom knock off. Something even better.
Very true!
It would be beautiful but not an Hermès bag. You’re buying into the brand, the idea of luxury and high taste that it represents.
I hate the journey but as a luxury minimalist/capsule wardrober the birkin and Kelly have been on my list for some time. I feel like I justify the price by the fact that I don’t have many bags so a lot of that goes into a few bags for me. I am thinking of going the resale route however. The game just seems unreasonably stressful and after a while you’re not even sure/guaranteed the bag you want.
I agree, i don’t need that stress!
My "hermes journey" works like this: I am very open to score another Kelly or Birkin but I will never get mad if it doesn't work out. I`ll ask for it whenever I have the opportunity. Like you I live hours away from an Hermes boutique and I do buy from time to time but in a random Hermes boutique I happen to be especially on vacation. So I am far away from building up a relationship with an SA. By doing it this way I was able to score a Birkin 35 and a Kelly 28 over the past 5 years. And I would be more than happy if I will be able to purchase a Birkin 25/30. But just like you I am absolutely not willing to pay 15 or 20 Thousand Euro for this bag. This will not happen, I would feel like a victim. So I stay open minded but other things are way more important (family, health, stability etc).
This is the best way to look at it!
so much stress but you do you I happy with coach bags and burberry
I'm stopping the stress!
Hahaha! You’re hilarious and you’re right, it’s better to talk to us because we all speak the same language about Hermes
Agreed!!
Preloved and no BS is the way to go...never would I play a game to buy a bag...
Worked for me
Your lovely video definitely need a Hermes exotic handbag 🤭
Ah i don't do exotics!
Kelly 25 is an excellent size. Better than mini in my opinion…even Kelly 28 is great for daily use. They are really not much bigger. I get 2 bags per year and have a great relationship with couple of SA. Even with that, mini is extremely hard to get. I just did a special order on it.
It seems the mini kelly is hard for most people
Officially that is not the company policy. I think the sales associates get away with manipulating people. Truthfully, I don't even really like the Birkin or Kelly.
The SAs definitely play a huge role in this game. They are left to their own discretion whether to offer one or not. I think it's one of those old rules of being careful about giving power, no matter how slight, to anyone where power would go to their heads. Some people have extreme control issues, and giving them control over who does and does not "deserve" a bag, in their book, plays a huge part in this evil game. Not all of them enjoy the torture of others the way some do. You need to find an SA that is genuine and not playing the game. Firstly, by finding the right boutique without a manager that encourages it.
This is probably true
Amelia, I couldn't agree more! I honestly think that it's the SAs who are creating this madness, while Hermès corporate looks the other way. This would explain the mystery surrounding the "rules" of the game. There are no official rules. And if it's true that SAs don't get commissions on the most in demand bags, it makes sense for them to push customers to buy other items. I just don't get the Mini Kelly thing. Of course, Hermés was smart to create crazy demand for the mini bags. They get more money, and customers get WAY less leather! BTW, Hermès is back to showing 35 cm bags this season.
big bags are def back!
Hi Amelia, hope you don’t mind me enabling you. The prices are coming down … I saw a mini Kelly for sgd23k on Finklepuff’s account yesterday. Similar price to b25 last year…😅
ohh now that is interesting!
Ok I’ve paused at 2 mins as when you say you can’t walk in and say specifics you 100% can as long as it’s a that season’s colours. Every single bag (except my one , my fault) I have , was exactly 100% my wish. No exceptions, no variation. Just had to get that bit in lol.
I’ve watched a few videos recently people giving their view and honestly they couldn’t be further from the truth of how it works. I couldn’t really be bothered to reply to the others and correct them as they seem to set in their completely skewed views.
My first store birkin was 2020. From store I have 4 birkins and 2 Kelly’s (one count is my special order) I’ve never bought one items I didn’t want just things I do. A Hermes lover isn’t just bags and people have to suck it up really. How can someone claim to be a Hermes lover when all they want is the bags. That’s a bag lover. Hope that makes sense and comes across ok.
Ok back to watch the rest lol. ❤❤
Oh completely comes across ok, I fully accept I am a bag lover and not an hermes lover, i do love some of their things, but not enough across the board to make a commitment to the brand. I accept I am not the hermes client, we spoke about this in Paris and it is why the resale route worked for me with the Birkin and I still think that was the right decision for me.
@@ameliarosescloset for your b25 that was 100% the right move for that combo. It’s a colour that’s not a available just now and it made so much sense
A mini Kelly is for big spenders generally, which is ironic since it’s one of the lower priced quota bags. So don’t feel bad if you’re not offered. It’s genuinely hard to get.
I think i have accepted that!
Let's talk honestly, it is just another bag.
Yes it is
I know these Hermes bags are really sought after, but, having watched your videos, you seem to go with limited edition, statement bags with unusual designs, colors, embellishments, etc.--that is not at all what the Birkins and Kellys are about. It just doesn't seem to me that they are even your vibe. Your other bags collectively have a certain vibe--stick with that--your collection is one of the most unique I've ever seen.
you are right, i do like the mini kelly, i think i could rock that, but a lot of their other item's aren't my style
I'm Team Chanel... forever😊
I love my Chanel bags
I will never ever beg a brand to take my money. If they don't want my business I will happily buy somewhere else
thank you!
👍
Totally agree, Hermes isn't worth the heart acke , bought my Birkin, colour leather size I wanted preloved. Be happy with the beauty you have.
It's for masochists.
exactly, i am happy with my birkin!
💓💞💕
I'm never going to afford to buy Hermes but I do think this whole Hermes journey is ridiculous. And if its easier to get a bag if you pop into a store more often, it feels a bit like if your face fits. If i had the money to spend i dont think I'd want to play that game.
I'm not doing it
I don't know what I think of how they handle purchases. I would love other bags before a Birkin or Kelly tho.
I like the Constance
The whole thing sounds exhausting, I’ve got a speech impediment, just going into high end stores stresses me out without having someone judge whether or not Im worthy enough to make a purchase 🤦🏼♀️
it can be a daunting experience when it should be like going into any other shop
@@ameliarosescloset, this is the thing, these people work in a shop, a very nice shop but still a shop, but a lot of them have the attitude that they’re controlling the world whilst curing cancer 🤦🏼♀️
i do not understand the wishlist system. because each time i have asked my boutique that's 3.5 hours away the SA's say there is no such thing. so i have no clue how people get wishlists.
Maybe it is a UK/ European thing?
@@ameliarosescloset that's what i thought but the location i went to, one girl made a video on how finally the bag on her wishlist came in. i honestly think its just something you are offered if you vibe with them. and sadly i did not vibe. she was really racist and even told me to go to the real real and buy one.
the hermes game sounds like the hermescam
They have it well figured out!
I'm glad I'm not into the Birkin and especially the rest of their bags because this will hit you not just your pockets but your heart and mental-well being as ell with all these journey/ game in the disguise of ' delayed gratification'. No doubt their leather is superior hence the ' sell your liver' price but there are other great leathers and materials from other houses too.
So true!
You should buy only what you like and there’s no such thing in hermes journey as they never force people to keep on buying. I declined bags/ products that I don’t like and never buy something that I don’t like. To have good relationship with SA is important as SA should know what you like and what you don’t. I dont keep on contacting my SA as I could imagine it’s a big hassle for SA to handle if all customers keep on asking about their quota bags. Based on my experience with hermes I am very happy and I still got my quota bags. At the end of the day whether you would like to buy at reseller or hermes boutique, just do it as long as you are happy. Cheers..
Thank you!
Hi Amelia, no not here to even call in. The SA here all are typically nose up in the air. When i am interested in those Kelly belt, i ask if he can let me know if have the stock that are coming to the store (at that time i am there but no stock) he took my number but i never hear from him at all even there is stock. To me he has no interest at all that i can see from his onset gesture. The luck is just if i have time to even go in on and off. I am not staying that far is just about 8km from those malls but the attitude that i had encountered are not even near to tell me they are interested in me buying any stuff. It really gave me wonder is that how they are trained...not just one SA is like that, a few i had encountered have the same attitude. Is this my problem or theirs....i am not even near in asking any of my so-called Wish List. Fine with me, I can spend my money elsewhere and i do not mind going preloved route if the right handbag comes my way. Forget even about any quota handbag. Not even a Picotin or Evelyn. Thanks for sharing and yes i cannot tolerate the game either. Thanks for sharing 🤗😍
Thank you!
Agree! I don’t understand why I have to pay more for other things that I don’t like! Therefore, I won’t buy Hermes. 😂
Love it!
LOL! In 2 weeks you will get the call.
It didn’t happen!
Resellers are far cheaper and less stressful 😅
can you be sure they aren’t super fakes?
I agree!
Chasing is kind of pathetic. I don’t want to feel pathetic, but to each their own ❤
Good point
The way this company makes you 'chase & suck up to them', this is why so many people are going to the 'fakes', you don't have to jump through flaming hoops & honestly, most of the time, you're the only one who really knows if it's fake or real. I think I'll stick with my Coach bags.
does drive the replica market i think
I never jumped on the hermes bandwagon even though they have some gorgeous colors. Luckily, their bag styles aren't for me but also, I have a child to take care of. I refuse to play their games for a bag when shopping should be for fun!
Does take the fun out of it
$18,000.00 and up makes me so not a Hermes customer! My hubby would take me to divorcé court! He thinks I’m crazy for having my 2 real Coach bags with the rest being Coach outlet bags! I have saved up all my ‘rewards’ to buy my newest Coach tabby 26….. and while I love it I won’t be buying anything other than from the outlet!, especially the clothe bags, leather last much longer with me! I have an 8+ years leather tan bag that is holding up amazingly! I’ve gotten every cent worth that I paid!
Imagine the divorce pleadings!
@@ameliarosescloset 😂 😝. Exactly, and within my luck I would end up with a male tight-fisted judge!!!! 😝
So… we will go into an era of big bags again. I feel at some point you can buy a second hand mini Kelly for a more reasonable resale price
Here's hoping!
I can’t get my mind around the impractical closures of the B and K, such that your pricey bag is constantly open and sloppy looking…. I know, I know, it’s suppose to look like that. Just don’t like it personally. I do like the Picotin and some less exposed vintage models.
I prefer a neater looking bag like my Channel medium flap, purchased before the crazy price hikes or the practical LV speedy bag, preferring the enpriente leather to the monogram.
Cheers to the end of the so called “journey”
I never close my birkin
I’m a big Hermès fan and I’m the first one to say, if you don’t like anything else then B or K don’t even bother especially in the US. To me the bags come naturally because I would shop Hermès no matter what. It’s like spending in any other boutique where I buy what I love. It just happens that I love many things at Hermès since they have such a wide range of products. I never felt mistreated or anything like that, I don’t call it a journey, it’s just shopping.😂
i think this is the perfect set up, when you just genuinely love the brand
I’m happy to share my thoughts. I hate this “journey” everyone talks about. I’m not going on it. I don’t even really like Hermes bags. Grossly overpriced and the fact that so many people don’t ever seem to get what they want and have to settle. No thank you. I’ll stick with LV where I know I can buy what I love.
i will always love LV!!
Hello- I can’t fathom spending thousands of dollars on a handbag! I also think it’s ridiculous that a designer house has to offer you a bag - that completely turns me off! I don’t even like the design of the Kelly and the Birkin and when these bags cost$10,000-30,000- please have they lost their minds! That’s a year salary for some people! I respect a person buying what they want but the Hermes process is really crazy! I’ll take a Coach bag any day!! I agree with you and I enjoyed your video!
Thank you!
in reality i think you would hate the MK! it's extremely small and the strap is very short!
Maybe it’s just the idea of it!!
Hi Amelia! I think you tube has played a part in all this 1:1 2:1 3:1 . I shop at a very competitive store and I’m telling you I’ve never had to shop like this. I almost feel like if the SA knows you believe this they capitalize on it and say sure why not buy buy buy. I go to store once a year and twice if I’m lucky. I’m just too far to visit regularly. I do keep in touch by text message, but as far as buying from all categories I don’t. I hope new clients don’t accept this way of shopping and just ask for the bag. Great video!
I think this too and what SA won’t milk it if they think you’ll do it? 🤷🏻♀️
@@AnUrbanGypsy 💯💯💯
That’s probably very true
Love your videos.
You look really well. Have you lost weight? Please can you do a video about it. I need some inspiration ❤
thank you, yes i have lost quite a bit of weight, still have a bit to go x
Just wonder. …..How much that bag cost at retail shop I ready to do like u. Or forget it all
I think it is about £8k
Understandable. I refuse to pay the mini Kelly resale price over here in the United States. The birkin resale price is more reasonable. I have a birkin 30 and my mom has 35. I desire a mini Kelly but I cannot fathom paying about $20,000 USD for such a tiny bag. That’s much beyond my limit and at that point it is no longer worth it to me. I’ll nag and nag my boutique about it until they hate me. I am no longer willing to do a ratio buy either. Either you want to give it to me or you don’t 😂!
Mini kelly beyond my limit as well
I think they ( Hermes) don’t want CZcams bloggers be they clients.
Good point
What annoys me ab Hermès is if you are rich, you get alllll the birkins and Kelly's your heart desires. There's a British pawn lady i watch on shorts and one super rich woman came in to sell over 10 birkins and 10 kelly bags. All in super desirable, neutral colors. The ppl who save up and work hard, who actually would treasure their bags, who only want ONE, maybe two, are never offered one unless they jump through hoops like a crazy Hermès person. Yet they claim they want to offer these bags to people who truly love the brand and won't resell the bag. No, it's all about who kisses their SAs butt (i see women bring gifts to their SAs to get on their good side).
It's like oh PLEASE Hermès, let me give you my 10k, 20k, etc. So you may THINK about offering me a bag to BUY for 10k.
Insanity.
Sad thing is, if it didn't have Hermès on it, majority of these uber rich folks wouldn't even think about buying that bag. Yet, you have ppl out here who want that Hermès bag for the quality of leather, craft, and brand history. Not because they want to flaunt they can afford it and was "chosen" to be good enough.
This is so true
the "system" is stupid...if I'm going to pay $30K to the store to get offered to spend $10K on the bag I want I might as well just go the 2nd hand route and spend the $15 - $20K and get the one I want when I want it. Which is what I did. I love my bag and I'm glad I didn't bother with the game.
What I did also and no regrets
All of a sudden everyone is waking up from their Hermes S&M abusive relationship "journey".....thank god.
LOL I just posted something similar!
I never started mine!
no just in general there are a lot of videos finally openly discussing this topic as well as many facebook group feeds - it really is a good thing @@ameliarosescloset
Why are we willing to spend two to three times the cost of a bag just for the opportunity to be treated badly in the hopes of being offered a bag? The Hermes game has become so over-the-top crazy and so are the lengths some people are willing to take. Maybe this is good fodder for a new game show!
I've got the Hermès Hangries.
(Blend of Hunger games, Angry Hungers).
Yeah I just can’t
Hermes I only want their sandals. I would rather get a reselller for a Kelly when I am in my 40s
I did exactly that for the Birkin
Its crazy. I have a few things from there that I love but I refuse to play that stupid game.
Same