PART 2: Omega, Grand Seiko, Patek Philippe With The Armoury's Mark Cho | Collector Conversation
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We continue this Collector Conversation with Mark as he discusses how he discovered what draws him in once he found his path in the collecting journey. He also talks fitting watches into your distinct style.
Mark Cho is no stranger to building out a distinct and individualistic look. As a founder of The Armoury and with the acquisition of the British brand Drake's, he is deep in the world of styling and bespoke fashion. This dedication to perfecting an image using clothes and accessories of course led him to the world of watches and so he sits down with Tim to discuss his collection and fashion philosophies.
Mark's collection is expansive and eclectic. From Grand Seiko to Patek Philippe, he's picked up a little of everything on his way. Tim and him discuss what got him started collecting and anecdotes along the way, such as having a hand in designing a limited F.P. Journe Chronometre Resonance. He also outlines how he likes to have individualistic influence over his pieces like his custom-made Patek Philippe Nautilus 3800.
Mark's collection is just as intriguing as his experience with his businesses and his ideas on watch collecting. Tune in to the newest Collector Conversation and don't forget to like, comment, and subscribe!
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Host: Tim Mosso
Thanks again for having me Watchbox Studios!
Can’t wait to see you again Mark!
I love going into your Armoury shop in TriBeCa and excited to cross the park from the Upper WS to your new upcoming boutique on the Upper East Side after the corona virus.
@@lewisjones3345 Hope to see you again soon, Lewis, thanks for watching!
Mark Cho Thank you Mark, for being a guy who is making and selling stylish clothes and shoes for guys like me who still love suiting and ties.
A real pleasure to listen to you, Mark. Your vision and personal taste are inspiring.
Tim and Mark Cho....the perfect horology storm🙌🙌🙌 love the dialogue guys!
"There are some things that are just too dorky" Couldn't have said it better myself. Great conversation guys.
Tim and Mark, the organic conversation and the horology conversation was immensely enjoyable. Cheers
Great video, my only recommendation would be more B-roll of the timepieces. Keep it up guys.
I reckon I could watch these guys talk about any topic for hours. Well done Timmy!
These collector conversations are just brilliant. Great to see 2 laid back guys chatting watches. Really nice to see some off beat pieces which you don’t normally see.
Tim - we love it when you’re “un-Artful”, this shows your fun honest side more. Don’t be afraid to go there more often, keep it fun!!
and yes - I agree that high-end is moving to the Indes compared to the Holy Trinity Commodities.
This content is so appreciated right now. A great discussion. Thanks, guys!
Mark Cho's taste is interesting and very much his own. I enjoyed these two episodes so much.
--Michael
Such an amazing interview Tim and Mark! Loved seeing the GS VFA, such a rare piece. I own a 1970 GS 6155-8000 HiBeat Special, only slightly less accurate than the VFA but much more beautiful in my opinion. Keep up the good work guys!
One of the best productions of WatchBox. 👌
I wish there were more discussions like this on CZcams. Most simply turn about to be only about people talking about themselves.
what a well spoken man...
It's always a pleasure to have Mark around.
Did not expect a part 2 but hell yessss
More watch shots please!!
I'm enjoying these Collector Conversations more than Talking Watches. Keep up the great work Tim! Greetings from Aruba🇦🇼
Very interesting conversation. Nice video.
Thanx guys! Great show and a great guest! Next!!!!!! 🥃
Fantastic episode. Having your 2 strong personalities meeting makes this conversation extremely interesting and enjoyable. Well done!
We need more of these Tim awesome conversation i thoroughly enjoyed this post.
Another good show. Very informative and learnt something new this evening. Thanks Mark Cho, Tim and everyone who made this possible from The WatchBox Studios. Hey I have ties too. Have a nice and safe weekend guys.
Very enjoyable Gentlemen! Thankyou!
Fantastic interview. So engaging
Great conversation....thank you
Love that tie!! 👏
This was an enjoyable, highly considered conversation. Great work!
Super cool interview, I learned a lot from Mark and about the Japanese people. So very nice 👍 I really liked his watch collection especially FP Journ, most excellent collections
Great interview and great questions!
Fantastic conversation. One of the best videos I’ve seen lately 👍🏽
Good video and Great taste has this Guy !!!
Wow....the knowledge on these two. Great interview, will probably watch more than once! 😆
This was such a fun watch! Amazing insight.
Great video Tim, loved the genuineness...regarding watch size,I also found height if the wearer makes a difference, tall guys with lanky wrist could pull off a 40mm or 42mm, with short wearers, it would stand out overbearingly...:)
Two absolute titans.
$12,000 IS an expensive watch lol
Nice conversation, very easy flowing and insightful.
Amazing collection.
This should have 20 million views
Good deal on the nautilus, and it's a really cool and unique piece
It was an interesting conversation about independents. I almost see the high end indies like coach builders in the automotive industry from yesteryear, taking an already stunning vehicle and making it truly unique and personal.
That's a really great comparison. I don't know much about cars but I do enjoy engineering. A friend of mine, Gianluca Migliarotti, produced a great documentary called Driving Dreams that you might enjoy. It's about coach builders back before there was CAD. They're sort of like great blacksmiths, it was a very by-hand endeavour. Now they're retiring and passing away so my friend wanted to record those guys before they go.
Mark Cho thanks, I’ll check it out!
Tim and Mark look like they’ve been friends for a long time.
Mark is a very interesting guy with his own sense of style.
I am an occasional pocket watch wearer, never considered the wearing one dorky especially when using a nice thin antique watch chain. I always thought it looks kind of elegant and discreet paired with a nice vest. After wearing one for a while though one realizes why wristwatches supplanted them.
Wonderful episode 👌🏼
Definitively what the hell is that 3800?👌
There's got to be a great story about it.
Tim, please push Mark to tell us more about it in future programs!LOL
Best,
Amintas
Mark's tie is fantastic. Where can I get it?
Thanks! Sorry, all gone ... it's Drake's from a couple years ago.
Maybe I’m wrong but at 11:10 doesn’t every Seiko 5 do that? I have several Seikos that skip the non English language day.
yes it is super common. Arabic/spanish/japanese days
Particularly if the model is a JDM reference
So good
I truly have small wrist. 6 inch and narrow. the top part is about 43mm wide. It’s really hard finding a nice size watch. Almost everything hangs over a tad. The biggest watch I own is a skx007 and it’s just a tad over depending how it sits. I hate having tiny wrist. My only saving grace will be when I get my explorer. 36mm is perfect!
Have you ever tried 34mm? The modern Rolex Date 34 wears a little larger than you expect and it's awesome, too. I had one but sold it to a colleague. I do miss it. There are also a lot of other great vintage 34mm and under pieces that are worth checking out like the Patek 96 or the Jaeger 2638.
Thank you
Great video
That 3800 looks remarkably like the 3800p auctioned off at Phillips for 212,000 CHF.
Are these dials something you can request from the factory on any Nautilus after the fact?
So my 3800 is very much not a 3800p, it's just a stainless steel. The rules for swapping out dials used to be much more relaxed and would vary a lot from country to country. That's partly why there's a bit of mystery around the PP 3448 Senza Luna where the moonphase aperture was missing. A few of those may well have been a dial swap by PP or their agents in Italy. My dial was swapped in HK, I have the receipt for the dial and servicing by the local agent. It was done I think in the 90s. I do wish I had the original dial, though, the regular 3800 is pretty great, too.
O and to more directly answer your question: These days, no, at most you can replace the dial with the same configuration the watch was born with.
The Omega C Case constellation day date had french and English built in
Good stuff
I love pocket watches but typically it’s worn with a waistcoat or vest. So unfortunately I’m not able to wear my pocket watches outside of formal attire.
Where's part 2 of the other collector, Richard Teevan?
I been waiting too! Richard had a diverse collection that we barely got into...
Coming next Saturday. Due to the virus, we can’t shoot new ones, so we’re trying to provide a few interviews each week. Enjoy!
2:14 "this somehow only happens with wrists"
I can think of other body part this happens to
Very interesting and pleasant conversation. I just could do without the slightly distracting and mostly useless background music during the first 9 minutes of the interview.
first Tim you are my fav watch reviewer. And Mark you have great taste in clothes and watches alike. You are at a different stage in watch collecting and have moved way past the hype. BTW what is that jacket you are wearing? I want it bad!!!
Hi, thanks for watching! In Tim's case it's The Armoury's City Hunter 2 jacket. In my case, it's part of a bespoke suit by Tailor CAID, a Japanese tailor that we host in our store in New York.
@@markchodotcom Great watch collection and great bespoke style. When this is all over I will definitely visit the NYC armoury and look for both the city hunter 2 and the herringbone one you mentioned. I also hope you have a patek 5550p or 3940!!!
anyone has an idea of Mark's tie by any chance?
Why pocket watches wont make a comeback?
They already did.. Its called a smartphone
We evolved from pocket watches because it was easier to look at your wrist than to reach in your pocket and pull it out
Now non watch wearers can pull out their phone and look at very accurate time without need for service etc
Watch wearers have the time on their wrist
There's very little need/want for them nowadays aside from just buying them for their sheer beauty and craftsmanship
You are right, the smartphone has replaced the pocket watch and even adopted that subtle "out-of-the-pocket glance" action that a pocket watch user might use.
Mark and Aaron..yes we all own and love smartphones..but for myself when I wear a three piece suit in the fall and winter I always wear a pocket watch..why? I just love the look plus I am old school....
210mm wrists... What’s your thoughts and guidelines? I feel like when i put on a 36mm watch it’s like a kids watch 😕
I would say target 40 (maybe 42?) mm watches. But frankly best thing is to try a watch and see how it feels on the wrist
ООО really cool
Mark should have showed his Basculante
A really tall watch is closer to the eye than the wrist so by perspective it looks larger
This took too long to post. We need new videos every 3 hrs..
We’re doing the best we can 😉!!
Anyone know the name of the intro track?
Me and You by Oliver Michael!
-Team WatchBox
WatchBox Studios thanks 😊
17:36 say what?!
Holy Trinity watches has become like the Top 40 music industry; a repeatable design formula meant to move volume. Indes are like the 80s with far more artistic expression and risk taking. Voutilainen and H Moser Have a lot in common with David Byrne and so many others.
Paul Veilleux very interesting perspective. I like the way you think.
Too little shots of the watches
Tim, up your style game. Since you are already there in the Armoury talking to a gentleman. That black suit is just sloppy. Nice interview as always.
I have to take responsibility for that one ... I was excited to meet Tim and so I gave him a little gift of that particular jacket. It's a soft, jersey knit jacket, meant to be worn loose and a little rumpled. Might not have been as obviously sharp as a tailored jacket but I thought it suited Tim's confident and quirky style quite well. Personally, I don't mind a few wrinkles but to each their own.
@@markchodotcom That's kind of you really. I enjoyed the two part interview and I think you have an excellent collection. All the best in the Armoury as well.
But 75% of the men that pass through the Armoury, claiming to have small wrists, might in fact, be correct, as they probably represent .0000000000000000001% of the broader population. You might be interacting with a small-wristed demo? I mean, imagine if a tailor working exclusively with the NBA said "75% of my customers say they are taller than average. That couldn't possibly be correct..."
(great convo, though!)
You are correct, well spotted. The population sampled is very important. I actually dug into this with my survey, trying to account for race and nationality as well. The claim to small wrists is to me an interesting quirk of people's understanding of their wrists because actually ... a lot of people have normal sized wrists once they measured themselves, they just perceived themselves to have small wrists. The survey is here - www.surveymonkey.com/r/theidealwatchsize and the report, which is now a bit out of date, is here - www.markcho.com/201905-the-ideal-watch-size-survey-report
Very interesting...thank you!
Isoteric
Great video, great conversation. I just cannot make myself liking Seiko or Grand Seiko...in my eyes they are so ugly and i usually don't generalize things. Well except for these two brands. However it was super interesting conversation.
Tim, unless you intend to tailor made it... don’t wear a suit.
I mentioned this in a comment below ... it's one of the jackets that I sell at the shop that I gave to him as a gift. It's meant to be a bit soft and wrinkled but of course not to everyone's taste. I think Tim looked at ease in it which is perhaps the most important element.
Yes!!! My weekend treat has arrived :)
Definitively what the hell is that 3800?👌
There's got to be a great story about it.
Tim, please push Mark to tell us more about it in future programs!LOL
Best,
Amintas