I agree with comments claiming she's a Goddess of Order. Warp isn't necessarily Chaos - and its tides are shifting. During the days of the War in Heaven, Order dominated the Warp, and this brought upon a tide of Chaos. Now, when Warp is dominated by Chaos, it is only natural that a tide of Order should arise.
@@vanityofthesaint I actually do. If Age of Sigmar is of any indication, we might get a most-times of ending WH40k world where each race has an active pantheon of deities.
Yeah, this. Gork, Mork, and the Aeldari pantheon all exist in the warp but theu are not chaos deities. Chaos is an emergent property of the warp, but it isn't warp itself.
this can't be counted as chaos. Obviously if it's a god it's not a chaos god but god of order like the Emperor. In warhammer fantasy Sigmar is not the only god of order.
All gods in combined warhammer universes are warp entities even if their sphere is more orderly and positive. The main chaos gods however try to hide that gods need not be vindictive entities, and Khorne, Slaneesh, Nurgle, and Tzeentch need not be the avatars of their spheres. Its also why the Emperor is a moron, since he actively tried to kill the god that would have protected humanity in paranoia of other warp entities.
Yeah, there are various types of warp gods in Warhammer 40K, the problem being both GW codex writing hyperboles and Black Library authors often overestimate Undivided Chaos and chaos gods' influences in The Warp to the point of claiming it to be "timeless" like they're omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent, etc DESPITE THEY'RE NOT Also really hoping that rumor about chaos Necrons being untrue since that would break the Necrons' lore completely, since that would be on the level of Silent Hill Phenomenon concept being shoved into Silent Hill lore just recently too, stuffs like these would break up any good and proper foundation of the lore-building into something incongruent and way too messy to sort out
@@ohamatchhams Yes, when authors run out of ideas they start filling in stuff that was deliberately left empty. Not every combination between races you can imagine is also something that improves the lore. Yes Tau didn't have a deity, that's what made them special. Adding a deity to them increases the lore, but also makes the setting more generic. Necrons worshipping chaos same thing. Ork mutated by chaos same thing.
I think it is fascinating how the Tau is being split along racial and ideological lines over, perhaps, one of the most benevolent Psychic entities to ever exist. To the Ethereals and their faction, this goddess is a huge threat to their personal control; to everybody else, this is like having a literal guardian angel produced purely by the belief in doing the right thing. Emperor protects me, but that sounds like a really good deal!
The Tau are secular. This is a deity that arose through the superstitious allies of the Tau. She had human, kroot and vespid features and indeed Tau. She's the faith that other species put in the Tau. The Tau Empire doesn't worship her but a star child enclave does.
@@TheMurphman1989 if you know the lore of the warp there and billions of untold daemons with the same sort of power level as the gods themselves but most either have other concerns, don’t think in the same ways, more a force of nature or so huge they are larger than most astral bodies so they don’t interact with the normal realms.
@@DukeDanseMacambre I do. Daemons in 40K refer only to entities that are Chaos-based. That why they are referred to as such. There are indeed other entities in the Warp, but these are almost never portrayed. Any entity that is shown outside of this is typically something else, like in the rare example of the God of the Tau'Va, or Greater Good. Outside of this we are only ever shown the Enslavers. We have things like the Deep Warp, and this is also effectively a mystery.
Tau and the greater good, it can’t create a chaos good, it’s just like the Emperor of man religion the opposite of chaos which is Order, a new god in the warp a new god of order alongside the Emperors type not chaos. Orks gods and elder gods are not chaos gods
A god formed from collective consciousness affecting the Immaterium is a chaos god, it doesn't mean that their nature is chaotic like the fantastic fours, just that they were born from chaos even if they tend towards order, as such yes she would be a chaos god, as for the Emperor most of his power is based on his physical, material self and the tremendous psychic might he possessed from birth, so even if chaos boosts him through worship he is not a chaos god, yet.
I'm not sure if you can count this as a chaos goddess. It would be more like a diety that's central to a particular culture like the Eldar with their insane fiery war god Kala Mesha Khaine (or just Khaine). Or the same with the Ork gods Gork & Mork. Not only that the Tau aren't big enough to have or make a major Chaos god like how the Eldar accidentally created Slaanesh. Others like Malice and Vashtorr have more presence. That being said, I don't doubt that it might be possible for Tau'va to manifest in or from the Warp. However that would be complicated because the Tau don't worship gods they just have their philosophy of the greater good and the pretty thorough indoctrination to obey the Ethereals.
From a Buddhist point of view, I strongly believe the writers gain inspiration from Buddhism history. Here's the thing, the Bodhisattva worshiping was very prominent in Mahayana Buddhism, very popular in Northen India, Central Asia, and later China & Japan. Not so for Theravadan Buddhism. It was a product of great social upheaval & war. If the writers stick to Buddhism history, then Tau very likely may not suffer devastating civil war like Horus Heresy.
Thing is though that even if the Tau aren't psychoactive and have a weak warp presence, all consciousness collectively is reflected in the warp. While the psychoactive xenos in the Tau empire gave Tau'va enough power to form and manifest, the Tau still had a hand in shaping her. Regardless of psychoactivity, the Tau's thoughts and ideas project into the warp as clearly and any other race. Psychoactivity just determines how much you can affect the warp directly.
Well, there are the rumors that GW is bringing God's of order. And with all the species tge tau welcome it was only a matter of time the tau have small souls but tge other species combined can accumulate and create
This is silly on multiple levels. Tau are insignificant in the setting in terms of numbers and have small souls… GW can do what they want unfortunately but there is 0 lore justification and it goes against established characterisation whilst making the tau obnoxious: not only do they have “small” souls which conveniently only provides benefits (daemons have a harder time seeing them and consider them worst food then others, what a downside!) but they can influence the warp just fine and spawn a new god despite all these factors, which no other race besides eldar and kinda humans (depending on wtf the emperor is now) have done, and it took both of them being the reigning universe superpower whose empires covered the stars to make it real, but lol tau do it in record time because of course they do.
Sounds to me like a goddess of both order and chaos, for the promise of order, or "greater good" (?), you have to leave your sense of self behind, which imo is pretty chaotic^^'
I'm looking forward to seeing her get developed more, show promise and be labled as a threat against the chaos pantheon and the emperor, and for gw to ditch her faster than ynneade due to the deafening scrams of unwashed neckbeards not being able to handle a new god.
@@The13thRonin Ever hear of the engineer of time? No? That was an aspect of Tzzentch. There are a few other incidents where they chaos gods pretend to be other gods, especially tzeentch, to mess with mortals and lead them astray. That's what happened to the soul drinkers. So it is well in their wheel house and known operations to pose as a new god and create a cult in a society.
@@The13thRonin Once again, i must remind you that the chaos gods do this, ALL the time, hence why there is an entire branch of the inquisition that looks for their cults. So what makes more logical sense: chaos gods catfishing again as is their MO, OR a brand new chaos god formed from a race that has no psychic powers and less population than the emporium? Tzeentch does this all the time. ALL the time so often that there are multiple campaigns in dark heresy where Tzzentch pretends to be a new god just to troll the inquisition.
He likes new creations, he is probably more curios about it then everything, and sszzenth also trys to studie it, and hoping that his right hand that sees future and past spits something out about that
Why tau cannot have nice things?,because they're not the poster boy like the space marinesues according to you,seriously,let other people have nice things too or fuck off
@@naughtyhieroglyph669 No,Big E is just Hashut but instead of corrupting dwarfs and goblins,he choose to disguise himself and corrupt humanity into a tirannical and industrial nightmare of forever wars and eternal slavery!
Tau are so small and their souls are so weak, due to the greater good, that any god they might birth would be eaten instantly by one of the other gods. The idea of it is just kinda stupid.
Yep, really trying to rev up the Christian fascists wrecking Warhammer n ego boosting those who don't care. Yall took one of the few things I could enjoy n buttfucjed yourselves with it like a bad dragon toy.
Cringe. This rubbish only works through the multiple silly contrivances that the atheistic Tau accidentally and unknowingly start a religion, that somehow worships a philosophical position, which exists in every single culture they've assimilated, all of them, and that there are enough of these half-wits to create a warp deity in a few hundred years, rather than the tens of millennia usually required. The God of Inadequate Explanation. Please, someone tell me that this isn't canon... I swear, every time it occurs to me to re-engage with 40K, I run into something as stupid as this. -Lifelong atheist has near-death experience, is saved by a brand-new God, but eventually *forgets*-? Forgets about having her whole belief system wrecked, challenging her basic assumptions about reality itself? Or forgets that her 'mentor' tried to murder her in some stupid prank for no apparent reason? Gave up there. Utter crap.
Tau'va should have an arm (aspect) for each of the alien species in the Tau empire.
For the greater good!!!
I agree with comments claiming she's a Goddess of Order. Warp isn't necessarily Chaos - and its tides are shifting. During the days of the War in Heaven, Order dominated the Warp, and this brought upon a tide of Chaos. Now, when Warp is dominated by Chaos, it is only natural that a tide of Order should arise.
You think this may bring about hope for several of the factions of the 40k world?
@@vanityofthesaint I actually do. If Age of Sigmar is of any indication, we might get a most-times of ending WH40k world where each race has an active pantheon of deities.
Can you please differentiate between chaos and the warp, chaos originates from the warp but the warp isn’t chaos.
Yeah, this. Gork, Mork, and the Aeldari pantheon all exist in the warp but theu are not chaos deities. Chaos is an emergent property of the warp, but it isn't warp itself.
this can't be counted as chaos. Obviously if it's a god it's not a chaos god but god of order like the Emperor. In warhammer fantasy Sigmar is not the only god of order.
All gods in combined warhammer universes are warp entities even if their sphere is more orderly and positive. The main chaos gods however try to hide that gods need not be vindictive entities, and Khorne, Slaneesh, Nurgle, and Tzeentch need not be the avatars of their spheres. Its also why the Emperor is a moron, since he actively tried to kill the god that would have protected humanity in paranoia of other warp entities.
Yeah, there are various types of warp gods in Warhammer 40K, the problem being both GW codex writing hyperboles and Black Library authors often overestimate Undivided Chaos and chaos gods' influences in The Warp to the point of claiming it to be "timeless" like they're omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent, etc DESPITE THEY'RE NOT
Also really hoping that rumor about chaos Necrons being untrue since that would break the Necrons' lore completely, since that would be on the level of Silent Hill Phenomenon concept being shoved into Silent Hill lore just recently too, stuffs like these would break up any good and proper foundation of the lore-building into something incongruent and way too messy to sort out
@@ohamatchhams Yes, when authors run out of ideas they start filling in stuff that was deliberately left empty. Not every combination between races you can imagine is also something that improves the lore. Yes Tau didn't have a deity, that's what made them special. Adding a deity to them increases the lore, but also makes the setting more generic. Necrons worshipping chaos same thing. Ork mutated by chaos same thing.
The emperor IS order.
All else then is by definition DISorder....CHAOS!
YES INQUISITOR! THIS POST HERE!
BURN HIM!
That’s heresy
I think it is fascinating how the Tau is being split along racial and ideological lines over, perhaps, one of the most benevolent Psychic entities to ever exist. To the Ethereals and their faction, this goddess is a huge threat to their personal control; to everybody else, this is like having a literal guardian angel produced purely by the belief in doing the right thing. Emperor protects me, but that sounds like a really good deal!
I like this god, people forget how powerful goodness is
Sounds like a God of Order then a God of Chaos.
*Than
The Tau are secular. This is a deity that arose through the superstitious allies of the Tau. She had human, kroot and vespid features and indeed Tau. She's the faith that other species put in the Tau. The Tau Empire doesn't worship her but a star child enclave does.
She is also not a Chaos God, it's a Warp God, like the old Eldar Gods.
@@TheMurphman1989 if you know the lore of the warp there and billions of untold daemons with the same sort of power level as the gods themselves but most either have other concerns, don’t think in the same ways, more a force of nature or so huge they are larger than most astral bodies so they don’t interact with the normal realms.
@@DukeDanseMacambre I do. Daemons in 40K refer only to entities that are Chaos-based. That why they are referred to as such. There are indeed other entities in the Warp, but these are almost never portrayed. Any entity that is shown outside of this is typically something else, like in the rare example of the God of the Tau'Va, or Greater Good. Outside of this we are only ever shown the Enslavers.
We have things like the Deep Warp, and this is also effectively a mystery.
I am LOCUTUS of Tau'va, Resistance is Futile, from this moment forward you will serve THE GREATER GOOD!
Ethereal: I like how this guy thinks. Sign him up to be leading the 6th Expansion. Make it so......
Tau and the greater good, it can’t create a chaos good, it’s just like the Emperor of man religion the opposite of chaos which is Order, a new god in the warp a new god of order alongside the Emperors type not chaos. Orks gods and elder gods are not chaos gods
A god formed from collective consciousness affecting the Immaterium is a chaos god, it doesn't mean that their nature is chaotic like the fantastic fours, just that they were born from chaos even if they tend towards order, as such yes she would be a chaos god, as for the Emperor most of his power is based on his physical, material self and the tremendous psychic might he possessed from birth, so even if chaos boosts him through worship he is not a chaos god, yet.
Hail Tau'va
I'm not sure if you can count this as a chaos goddess. It would be more like a diety that's central to a particular culture like the Eldar with their insane fiery war god Kala Mesha Khaine (or just Khaine). Or the same with the Ork gods Gork & Mork. Not only that the Tau aren't big enough to have or make a major Chaos god like how the Eldar accidentally created Slaanesh. Others like Malice and Vashtorr have more presence.
That being said, I don't doubt that it might be possible for Tau'va to manifest in or from the Warp. However that would be complicated because the Tau don't worship gods they just have their philosophy of the greater good and the pretty thorough indoctrination to obey the Ethereals.
Perhaps some day the Tau goddess will save the Emperor from himself and help humanity defeat chaos.
Very funny.. But like Tau'va, boring.
Damn, she looked like Bodhisattva.
well, greater goodness IS the point of enlightenment.....
From a Buddhist point of view, I strongly believe the writers gain inspiration from Buddhism history.
Here's the thing, the Bodhisattva worshiping was very prominent in Mahayana Buddhism, very popular in Northen India, Central Asia, and later China & Japan. Not so for Theravadan Buddhism. It was a product of great social upheaval & war.
If the writers stick to Buddhism history, then Tau very likely may not suffer devastating civil war like Horus Heresy.
Makes more sense to say its a Warp god.
Thing is though that even if the Tau aren't psychoactive and have a weak warp presence, all consciousness collectively is reflected in the warp. While the psychoactive xenos in the Tau empire gave Tau'va enough power to form and manifest, the Tau still had a hand in shaping her. Regardless of psychoactivity, the Tau's thoughts and ideas project into the warp as clearly and any other race. Psychoactivity just determines how much you can affect the warp directly.
Well, there are the rumors that GW is bringing God's of order. And with all the species tge tau welcome it was only a matter of time the tau have small souls but tge other species combined can accumulate and create
This is silly on multiple levels. Tau are insignificant in the setting in terms of numbers and have small souls…
GW can do what they want unfortunately but there is 0 lore justification and it goes against established characterisation whilst making the tau obnoxious: not only do they have “small” souls which conveniently only provides benefits (daemons have a harder time seeing them and consider them worst food then others, what a downside!) but they can influence the warp just fine and spawn a new god despite all these factors, which no other race besides eldar and kinda humans (depending on wtf the emperor is now) have done, and it took both of them being the reigning universe superpower whose empires covered the stars to make it real, but lol tau do it in record time because of course they do.
@@libertinareythat’s how things work in the warp
Sounds to me like a goddess of both order and chaos, for the promise of order, or "greater good" (?), you have to leave your sense of self behind, which imo is pretty chaotic^^'
I'm looking forward to seeing her get developed more, show promise and be labled as a threat against the chaos pantheon and the emperor, and for gw to ditch her faster than ynneade due to the deafening scrams of unwashed neckbeards not being able to handle a new god.
Chaos gods: this is getting out of hand. Now there's TWO anathemas!
The Greater Good will always prevail
In my opinion, Tzeentch is simply trolling the Tau.
Or, just as bad, another Isha.
@@user-lv5rd6kb5o FOR DA LADY
LOL GOOD ONE
I like this idea
This is what I was leaning towards too.
Earth Cast scientist Kabuto.
(We can sense that the 40k writers have watched the great Naruto series :)
i relly love this in the story its getting so much bigger
I really hate this in the story its getting so much lamer
@@libertinareynah I like it
Yea! This is awesome new lore for the Tau.
This is either the result of Orks thinking about the greater good, or this is Tzzentch or Slannesh playing a nasty trick on the universe.
neither?
Why? The other chaos gods were birthed into the universe by collective emotion and belief.
Why would this be any different?
@@The13thRonin Ever hear of the engineer of time? No? That was an aspect of Tzzentch. There are a few other incidents where they chaos gods pretend to be other gods, especially tzeentch, to mess with mortals and lead them astray.
That's what happened to the soul drinkers. So it is well in their wheel house and known operations to pose as a new god and create a cult in a society.
@@naughtyhieroglyph669Bro just because you got catfished once doesn't mean that only catfish exist.
@@The13thRonin Once again, i must remind you that the chaos gods do this, ALL the time, hence why there is an entire branch of the inquisition that looks for their cults.
So what makes more logical sense: chaos gods catfishing again as is their MO, OR a brand new chaos god formed from a race that has no psychic powers and less population than the emporium?
Tzeentch does this all the time. ALL the time so often that there are multiple campaigns in dark heresy where Tzzentch pretends to be a new god just to troll the inquisition.
I bet it’s actually just Tzeentch
How would a tau know what a crocodile was
*HOLY INCENSE INTENSIFIES*
Why did old man burgle not help the death guard? He could probably slap taova back into the hole she crawled out of lol. Why didn’t he though.
He likes new creations, he is probably more curios about it then everything, and sszzenth also trys to studie it, and hoping that his right hand that sees future and past spits something out about that
bruh for moment i thought that asmongold editor is here XD
If it’s not the emperor then it’s chaos -burn the heretic
Why tau cannot have nice things?,because they're not the poster boy like the space marinesues according to you,seriously,let other people have nice things too or fuck off
Looks very hindu-esque
Tau are a blend of Asian ideologies. You have the Chinese element, the samurai aesthetic and an Indian (Hindu) system.
You need to let someone edit your scripts. Because damn…
They just need the god of atheism.
That's big E
@@naughtyhieroglyph669 No,Big E is just Hashut but instead of corrupting dwarfs and goblins,he choose to disguise himself and corrupt humanity into a tirannical and industrial nightmare of forever wars and eternal slavery!
Would.
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T'au'va is of the warp but not of chaos
The title is missing an s in goddess
She looks like the Hindu godess Kali.
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EVEN GODS MAY DIE!
What?!?!?!?!
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Great comment
is this canon?
No, not really
Yes and no it’s iffy
Yes. This is from the Shadowsun Novel. But it's also written in such a way that it can be ditched forever without impact on the lore.
Reading the book this God shows up in now. It's legit.
Yes but the god isn’t a chaos god it’s a warp god.
Malice where is he🤔
I like your stuff but normally it’s lore accurate, this is something else…
The God of a bunch of enlightenment thirsty blue skinned ranged warrior monks is weird. Who knew?
Tau are so small and their souls are so weak, due to the greater good, that any god they might birth would be eaten instantly by one of the other gods. The idea of it is just kinda stupid.
It's from the tau auxiliaries dufus.
First?
Yep, really trying to rev up the Christian fascists wrecking Warhammer n ego boosting those who don't care.
Yall took one of the few things I could enjoy n buttfucjed yourselves with it like a bad dragon toy.
Cringe. This rubbish only works through the multiple silly contrivances that the atheistic Tau accidentally and unknowingly start a religion, that somehow worships a philosophical position, which exists in every single culture they've assimilated, all of them, and that there are enough of these half-wits to create a warp deity in a few hundred years, rather than the tens of millennia usually required. The God of Inadequate Explanation. Please, someone tell me that this isn't canon... I swear, every time it occurs to me to re-engage with 40K, I run into something as stupid as this. -Lifelong atheist has near-death experience, is saved by a brand-new God, but eventually *forgets*-? Forgets about having her whole belief system wrecked, challenging her basic assumptions about reality itself? Or forgets that her 'mentor' tried to murder her in some stupid prank for no apparent reason? Gave up there. Utter crap.
any new chaos god will be the sixth, dont ever forget the 11th legion sons of malice
There's so much potential to twist this new deity. The Greater Good isn't as great or as good as its proponents would have you believe.