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wow i finally got this video out! itâs been in the making since like what? march? although I couldnât fully create my vision due to PC limitations, iâm still proud of myself for seeing it through, especially something that i deemed more difficult and out of my comfort zone. i appreciate the patience on this one. also, i still got plenty i want to discuss when it comes to sora and riku, and kh in general, so stay tuned for more discussions!
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REFERENCES/RESOURCES (thank you OPs!!! this video would not exist without yâall):
my script + pictures of quotes i used: docs.google.co...
a concise definition of â6 hearts no sacrificeâ theory - www.tumblr.com...
why sora saving â6 heartsâ might actually be correct: www.tumblr.com...
an easy to follow video about riku being the light: âą Kingdom Hearts 3 : Rik...
a concise explanation of â6 hearts no sacrificeâ but in video format, follow up to the first video: âą Kingdom Hearts 3: 6 He...
kh1 parallel example: www.tumblr.com... & www.tumblr.com...
the importance of the âsilenceâ during rikuâs sacrifice: www.tumblr.com...
translation differences and why it matters: www.tumblr.com...
rikuâs sacrifice vs. final world logo animation: www.tumblr.com...
this is just interesting lol: www.tumblr.com...
also interesting: www.tumblr.com...
another possible kh1 parallel example: www.tumblr.com...
super comprehensive thread about sora losing memories of riku + more detailed JP translations: sc...
the reason for riku âfailingâ to protect sora: st...
parallel within kh3: mi...
riku parallel to hercules: st...
sleeping realm theory doc (there are videos on youtube as well!): docs.google.co...
interview quote (i didnât include the full quote bc the rest wasnât relevant as it was about minor aesthetic stuff): www.kh13.com/n...
for funâŠhaha: www.tumblr.com...
oooo another hercules parallel?: www.tumblr.com...
soraâs weird lack of reaction to seeing riku after the sacrifice: www.tumblr.com...
the corona thing: x.com/sorikuul...
& x.com/scherzod...
i forgot to mention âtaisetsu na hitoâ oop: x.com/sorikuul...
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Is no one going to talk about Sora basically admitting that his memory is borked? "I'm a little hazy on the details" seems like a pretty straightforward admission that Sora's forgotten things.
I can't wait to see Sora remember Riku's sacrifice just to see his reaction, caus if this was so bad for him that he forgot about it, he'll have a break down (which might make a paralelle to when he cried when he found Riku in KH2? idk)
but yea if Riku remembered his sacrifice he'd just be like "hm yea I probably did, seems like something I'd do for Sora"
yeah soraâs gonna be devastated once he remembers and iâm not ready for it lol
I'm loving this new wave of people doing video essays with theories that circulate in Soriku's groups, great videođ!
thank you! and yesss we need more!!
a bit weird people thinking kairi is the light when she literally covers it in the frame, she is in the way of the true light, she had a hand helping but she isn't the light
exactly! and how can she be the light if sheâs in the tunnel following it??
I already knew about the "Riku is the Light" theory but I was very impressed by how this video pointed out things that I didn't know before! It's always nice to see more soriku theories with additional input and things to go "hmm" at that we didn't notice.
Thank you!! Yeah I tried to provide something a little different so itâs not just me rehashing what everyone else has said lol
One theory I havenât heard yet is what if Yazora is Rikuâs nobody that was created when riku sacrificed himself to save sora.
iâve actually seen a few people mention that and i wanna talk about that possibility plus other reasons why they look similar in a future video!
Counter theory:
Majorly unrelated theory, but what if the reason that characters directly from older final fantasy games have made their way into the universe of Kingdom hearts, is simply because attaining kingdom hearts is literally their final fantasy, but from the quadratum side with each considering their version to be reality & the other unreality? Could go at least a bit of the way to explaining why Yozura is almost identical to Noctis Lucius Caelum in FFXV, even the that way Yozura manifests his keyblade is pretty similar to Noctis manifesting a sword. Yozura wouldn't need to be anything other than ordinary person in that case, but if that's the route things are heading I'd than if he is a nobody I'd put my money on him being Noctis's. Potentially Cloud's considering he and Sephiroth were absent from KH3 altogether, but were both dlc characters for SSBU long before Sora who'd needed to complete the events of re:mind before he was able to wind up there himself, but I think that part might be a little to much of a stretch tbh đ
Joining the line of people who are glad more creators are talking about the weird stuff in KH3! For real, I got the feeling most don't talk about it, because it's mostly stuff to do with Sora and Riku and they don't want to acknowledge the importance of Riku and his relationship to Sora. :/
I also wanted to point out how genious it is to make the word "forgotten" in the thumbnail transparent.
youâre the first person to bring up my thumbnail!!! lol i really appreciate you for noticing!
Iâm so happy to see someone talking about this specific part of KH3 because it has me convinced that soriku will be canon 100%. The scene with Sora and Kairi floating in the tunnel of light where he says âthe light in the darkness-it was you!â And then gets pulled up by someone else, I think directly calls back to a scene in CoM where Axel tells Sora once he starts forgetting his memories, âyouâve lost sight of the light in the darknessâ. The whole plot of CoM was literally that Sora originally went to Castle Oblivion looking for Riku and then the organisation manipulated him into forgetting and distracted him to look for NaminĂ© instead, when he had never met her. So, it kinda confirms that Riku is Soraâs light in the darkness, whether he realises it or not. And literally every opportunity that he realises how much Riku means to him, he forgets. He forgot in CoM, and he forgot again in Kh3.
yeah com is like a gold mine of important narrative implications and the way itâs still being referencedâŠi canât wait for sora to remember everything
You guys know kingdom hearts is not a romance series right...and it's a disney and final fantasy game about friendship...?
Oh, that reminds me..! When fentasies mentioned the eclipse in the scene with young Xehanort, this image is mirrored directly afterwards in the tunnel. Kairi is drifting infront of Rikus light, obscuring it. And right after, Sora is convinced the light came from her, though he knew otherwise before and all he could see in that moment was the corona of Rikus light.
So if:
1. we take the symbolism seriously and consider the eclipse in a background a conscious design decision and hint (which we probably should with Nomura)
and 2. consider the price he paid, for abusing the power of waking, is forgetting Rikus sacrifice and losing sight of his light..
then him suddenly changing his mind about who the light is, makes so much more sense..!
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@@JoelXl-zc4rp Oh well.. you are right, it is about friendship! But.. well.. it is not like disney or final fantasy never touched on the subject of love before. And friendship is just one of many ways we can love the people in our life. I am pretty sure it will play a part in this saga at some point. Not sure how big or obvious that part will be but.. it will be there. After all it is also a coming of age story (besides all the action and magic we all love :D)
@@JoelXl-zc4rp Disney is known for their romance though. There were several romantic couples in kh3. Itâs literally one of the main themes đđ Sora is still growing up during the games and learning about love both platonic & romantic.
Riku sacrificing himself plus the fact that he led the others against the Xehanoer vessels proves that he is 100% worthy of being a keyblade master.
I've been waiting for someone to do a 6 Hearts No Sacrifice specific video! It's such an important detail that people look over because the theory is stuck in these longer videos that people may not have the patience to watch! Thank you for this
ofc! and thank you for giving a watch!!
I feel like sora might remember riku's sacrifice in kh4. Now to what end I have no clue I just feel like that's going to play apart.
Also speaking of kh4. I hope they go the rechain of memory route and give sora and riku two separate stories that go together. Cause for all purposes they do sort of have two separate story lines in kh4
eyyyyy, I'm glad we're getting more ppl talking about this! Nice work!! >w< if you want places for theory talk, the SoRiku areas are def the best place to be! the last 5 years in the space has brought the KH brainworms back & I've never had this much fun talking about KH
thank you!!! and yeah Iâve been kind of a lurker in the space for a while and itâs been a great time!
This was a great video! And it definitely feels comforting hearing the same ideas and talking points the Soriku crowd's been discussing, said out loud by someone else on CZcams. You definitely broke it down nicely!
thank you!!! i tried my best to do my fellow sorikus justice
this was a great video! i love these type of videos and i have been trying to find some more who talk about soraâs memory problem surrounding riku. because i knew something felt wrong when sora just accepted kairi as the the light the second time he is in the sleeping realm. because he had just acknowledged riku as the light before, and was only in the realm between TO GO TO RIKU. not for anyone else. but suddenly when heâs back in that realm, itâs all about kairi? nahhhhh- thereâs definitely more going on.
again this was a great video! thank you! i was very feed today because i love soriku personally, and i love any theories that are centered around sora or riku themselves! đđ
Yesssss!!!!! You explained everything wonderfully!!! (Also noticed you cited my vids as a source/reference and squealed super loud lol) Great video and I look forward to future kh stuff!!!!! đ
thank youuu! your videos definitely inspired me to take the leap
Finally someone talking about this on CZcams!! I am still a quarter in, just wanted to point out before I forget that, if I remember correctly, the naminĂš and nameless star cutscenes aren't misseable in the game anymore.
yeah I assumed they were accessible now bc i saw the naminĂ© scene in the cutscene theater but couldnât find the nameless star one tho, mightâve missed it. thank you for letting me know!
this video is my whole mood when it comes to theory crafting.
Thereâs something I donât see anyone talking about and I found it odd when I played but clicked when I saw your video
After you talked about the scene where young Xehanort is talking to Sora in Sanfransokyo, you said something about an eclipse.
In the tunnel where Sora finds Kairi, there is a part where she slowly start to go in from of the light theyâre following eclipsing it. 18:20
I really like the way you summarized all these points. Iâm familiar with all of the source posts you link in the description, but you present everything in a really fresh way that made me have new thoughts on Rikuâs sacrifice. Well done!
thank you!!
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I see It like this. The Ancient Darkness and the Physical Darkness (Dark Corridor/the Demon Tide) have the ability to Unchain Memories. We see in with the Formless Darkness making Ventus forgot he helped end Lauriam's sister. And Sora spends a severe amount of Time running though Corridors of Darkness without the Black Coat. He was also literally blown to pieces by the Demon Tide/Physical Darkness. (literally Metaphysical and Conceptual damage)
Darkness recognizes Sora/Riku's Hearts (Child of Destiny) together moving through the Worldlines have stolen Their victory. In retaliation, they attack Sora's Heart, who isn't immune to Their Influence, and wedge Kairi in the place Sora cannot remember (Riku's Love, other Half of his Heart) to weaken the Child of Destiny.
They know the Master of Masters wanted the Child of Destiny, and They tend to be "spiteful". The Master broke their contracted Truce, and thus, the Darkness damaged the Master's favorite Pieces.
That's a very interesting interpretation/theory. I can see that actually being true and would make so much sense, too!
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you looking at the details everybody else ignores
You know I thought the demon tide will spit them out like always, I didnât them to be literally dead.
Honestly at this point even they know itâs cannon fire them. Lol cool video
Miss Fentasies: I hereby grant you my title: The Master of Masters.
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A few more things, do you think that Terra, Ventus, and Aqua are actually Aced, Gula, and Invi?
wait a minute you're safe with me as in i know your secret and i understand who you actually love it's right in front of me and you. it's like the loving parent knowing about the secret their child is gay and would say something like what kairi had said while going towards the light wanting someone to understand them as whom they really are
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gotta ask was that thee actual translation of what was actually said though from the Japanese version.
Ngl I think the whole ending of KH3 just went by way too quick and remind didn't really help much. I believe it would have portrayed more meaning if kairi and the others weren't wiped out in like 30 seconds and instead there was more time of them fighting and then ultimately lose, leaving only sora and riku left.
do you have the japanese version of kingdom hearts
unfortunately i donât have the jp version of kh3, Iâve just seen the jp cutscenes that ppl have uploaded to youtube
I don't see any of this being relevant or actually true. I'm certain he does remember this scene and I don't see any proof in this video that he doesn't. The famous Heart count is also something which can explained otherwise.
I'm currently looking the sleeping realm theory up and it is so much stuff that doesn't make sense and a clear example for people making theories out of assumptions for symbolism. That's not a theory that's a fanfiction. A theory is based on facts. What the theory does is take something that is similiar and compares it to something shown. It don't present you facts it presents you headcanons out of symbolism.
How do you explain the incorrect heart count then. Please do tell.
@@CampingforCool41 Chirithy says that the power of waking is not for restoring Hearts after they completely faded away from existence. Riku's Heart just got lost while the others are done for even before and long away at the point herescues them. To restore them he uses the power of waking to bring worlds to their Hearts so that he can restore them. From Riku ongoing you jump through 6 World portals to restore six Hearts which completely vanished at this point.
Young Xehanort even explains it to Sora at the end: "What do you think the power of waking is? It's for traversing Hearts to reach worlds. Not for traversing worlds to reach Hearts."
He thinks in this scene he can do the same for Kairi's Heart since her Heart is also lost for quite some time and would need to call a world to her lost Heart. Chirithy denies that and Sora mentions that he did it 6 times before. Not counting Riku since he just followed Rikus Hearts he did not call the world to his Heart.
@@OzomaLp What on earth makes you think that Riku is âjust lostâ while the others are âcompletely faded awayâ? Heâs in the exact same position as everyone else: heâs floating, transparent, and gets his heart taken by the Lich just like everyone else. Even if Sora didnât misuse the Power of Waking to get there (cuz Rikuâs light brought him there lol) by all accounts Sora still misused the PoW to bring back his heart (unless of course you think Sora used the Power of True Love instead :). Sora has no reason to not count Rikuâs heart among the rest.
â@@CampingforCool41I just explained it to you....and what makes me think Riku just got lost? He time travels to the exact point back before he gets swallowed and immediately follows Rikus Light to save him. He defeats the Lich which is not using the power of waking wrong. And then uses sleeping worlds to reach Hearts which are gone way before Riku protected Sora. He brings the Sleeping worlds to the Hearts because Sleep and Death touch and fights their Death which is the Lich. Bringing the Sleeping Worlds to their Hearts is using the Power of waking wrong. As explained by Youn Xehanort in my quote of him. Through how many portals does he jump? 6. So he restored six Hearts which already faded. Amd saved 1 from fading. That is a difference.
@@OzomaLp "He brings the sleeping worlds to their hearts" you are literally just making shit up. The only thing Xehanort says about the matter is that the PoW is for traversing hearts to reach worlds, not traversing worlds to reach hearts. Sora "traverses worlds to reach hearts" 6 time if we are going by the 6 world heart stations, but that has nothing to do with him actually RESTORING their hearts. Which is what Chirithy and Sora is talking about in that scene. Sora restores their hearts by setting them free from the lich. Including Riku. The others were no more faded than Riku was.
Rikus Sacrifice is written in Jimmy's Story Summary for the Keyblade Graveyard. All the story entries are 100% canon because they are literal plot points in the series. Jiminy writing about the sacrifice means Sora did not forget about it because then how did Jiminy write it? You can't say they're not canon with because he talks in the first person within these journals whenever he's involved or took note for Sora and the gang for later.
My favorite Journal Entry is the final paragraph of the Main Story summary.
"With our council adjourned, Sora returned to the Destiny Islands with Riku and Kairi. Kairi shared a pappu fruit with Sora, intertwining their destinies and making sure they remain a part of each other's lives, no matter what."
And fans wonder why Nomura barely talks to us.
The entries about Rikuâs sacrifice is weird all around, but in any case for the entry you noted, like⊠yeah ? In English this is what Kairi says itâs for, and Iâm Japanese she tells Sora itâs âa lucky charm to ensure theyâre not separated againâ so yeah in the moment thatâs what Jiminy would write. Itâs literally what happened, but heâs no prophet or Nomura insert. Like, later on we see that didnât work at all. Not in the way Kairi meant it anyway