Oneness Pentecostals and Church History - Part I | Dr. David K. Bernard & Dr. David Norris
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- Dr. David K. Bernard discusses the historical development of the doctrine of the Trinity with Urshan Graduate School of Theology Professor Dr. David Norris. This broadcast first aired on the United Pentecostal Church International's Facebook page and CZcams channel on December 1, 2021.
For more information on this topic, see Dr. Bernard's book "Oneness and Trinity: A.D. 100-300," available at pentecostalpublishing.com/pro....
Excellent. This should be taught in every church yearly.
Rev Bernard and Norris, I thank Jesus for good sound historical conversation on matters of the church. Sound study of the Bible can strengthen us to recognize true church historical doctrine. We have to study to ensure we don’t repeat christian secularism as most organizations and nations have. I have learned so much from you two so I pray these talks continue to increase with time and into deeper depths. May Jesus bless your preach points.
Love the Biblical Doctrine of ONE GOD manifesting Himself in flesh!!! I came to this Revelation in 1980 when I repented of my sins, Baptized in the name of Jesus Christ and received the Holy Ghost, when I was 39 years old!!! Preaching it hard ever since
Trinitarians believe and preach the same:
Trinitarians believe in ONE GOD THREE PERSONS or TRINITY of PERSONS.
Oneness believe in ONE GOD THREE modes or manifestations or TRINITY of modes.
Oneness are TRINITARIANS, the Trinity is inevitable!
@@msolav63Oneness aren't Trinitarians. You lied. The Father is the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of the man Jesus Christ. One Person. Not several. Repent.
@ThyWillBeDoneLORD .
I know you're confused.
So are you saying that oneness don't believe in the FATHER, the Son and Holy Spirit? I hope so.
Of course oneness are Trinitarians. Oneness believers reject the Trinity but use Trinitarianism in their thoughts. You are inconsistent in articulating what you believe, for you cannot correlate your doctrine with all the teachings of the Bible without affirming something like the doctrine of the Trinity. So, Oneness Pentecostals end up affirming a God in "THREE manifestations" or a God in "THREE modes of activity" or a God in "THREE roles or performances" or a God in "THREE masks" or a God in "THREE spheres or God in "THREE titles" but according to oneness God is never and can never be a God in "THREE persons ", since this is very incoherent, Lol.
Oneness say and teach that God is indivisible. Therefore, it is not that one "part" of God exists as the Father, another as a Son, and so on. Rather, the whole of Deity is fully present in each of the "sphere or modes."
But the strange thing is that Oneness believers hold that God can be in these three "roles" simultaneously. Therefore, God acts and exists fully as the omnipresent Father, God exists fully as the incarnate Son and God exists fully within the believer as the Holy Spirit and HE does all of this at the SAME TIME.
That is, the God who exists in the mode of the Son or Jesus exists completely "outside" the mode of God the Father and the mode of the God the Holy Spirit and each "mode" or "sphere" can therefore be called " The". Also, God can act, speak or manifest himself personally from any of his three personal forms of existence simultaneously and individually. As, for example, in the baptism of Jesus, Matthew 3-13-17, in where the supposed modes manifested themselves, completely, personally and simultaneously or at the same time.
Therefore, from this point of view, God exists fully and personally in one "sphere or mode" and that at the same time he can communicate with himself while existing fully and personally in another sphere or mode. Only with this we could say that the Oneness point of view is similar to classical Trinitarianism. To say that God can exist fully and that he can personally exist in three different ways is almost indistinguishable from saying that God exists in THREE "persons."
So is a "Trinity of activity or modes" less mysterious than a "Trinity of people?" No, but nonetheless you Onenessers go through with your attacks and endless twists, branding the Trinity as a logical and biblical monstrosity while at the same time you also believe in a Trinity by affirming and admitting that the one indivisible God can exist and exists in at least three different ways, that it does it completely, that it does it personally and that it does it simultaneously. In fact, up to this point, oneness affirms exactly the SAME MYSTERY expressed in the doctrine of the Trinity.
Therefore, the mystery of the TRINITY IS INEVITABLE whether one labels or calls it "sphere or mode" or as a "different person". It does not matter whether this trinity is held to be eternal or merely temporary; It does not matter if one maintains that Jesus is the “unique personality” that shines through each manifestation independently, or if he is the “second“ person. ”In other words, Oneness are TRINITARIANS.
@@msolav63 How many Yehovah's are there? 1, 2, or 3?
@ThyWillBeDoneLORD
I do not agree with falsely accusing any group but how many times do oneness accuse Trinitarians of being pagan?
I have read and researched Oneness theology for many years which is why I am so strongly opposed to it. I have not inherited this belief nor have I been taught to reject Oneness theology mindlessly. After a lifetime of studying the scriptures, I am convinced that trinitarian theology is both logical and biblical. Although I certainly do find your attitude refreshing, you are in the minority of Oneness believers. On many forums such as this one, I've been called Godless, blasphemous, pagan or polytheistic, and had my salvation questioned or even flat out denied by the majority of Oneness believers I've encountered. Those Oneness believers based their attacks on their belief that only Oneness believers understand the "mystery" of God and are eligible for salvation. This is not only a lie, but it voids the sacrifice of the cross since salvation is now based on understanding the "mystery or the key" (which is not biblical in any way). That is a very dangerous line of thinking. In over 10 years I have only found one or two oneness' who have accepted that Trinitarians are not polytheists. They are only a minority. The majority of Oneness followers reject that we also believe in ONE God, despite being told this many many times over. However, they are in line with the HYPOCRITICAL belief that God can be THREE modes or manifestations, but not THREE persons.
A) Trinitarians believe in ONE GOD THREE PERSONS or TRINITY of PERSONS.
B) Oneness believe in ONE GOD THREE modes/manifestations or TRINITY of modes.
I can't wrap my head around the splitting of hairs Oneness followers have on this issue.
Let's go back to grade school and do simple math:
The PERSON or "mode/manifestation," of the FATHER is ONE.
The PERSON or "mode/manifestation" of the SON is TWO.
The PERSON or "mode/manifestation" of the HOLY SPIRIT is THREE.
So how many "PERSONS, modes/manifestations" do you HAVE "THREE. The word TRINITY comes from THREE". Oneness are trinitarians because the Trinity is a biblical fact that cannot be denied even when doing the scriptural acrobatics as oneness does. Even if they are supposedly representations they are still THREE.
Beside oneness go around and DIVIDE Jesus INTO TWO SUBSTANCES the human and the divine and then they criticize the Trinitarians saying that God is numerically indivisible.
That is oneness logic, they say something and then they contradict themselves.
Did the Bible mentioned the FATHER, the SON and the HOLY SPIRIT. Answer is: YES.
How many are MENTIONED? Answer is: THREE.
There's only one God, but whether you call it modes, PERSONS, manifestations, masks, spheres, titles, functions etc, you have to acknowledge that there are THREE. To say anything different is to deny the Bible. I'm surprised that oneness deny they are not Trinitarians when they believe in THREE MODES/ MANIFESTATIONS since that is a cornerstone of Oneness theology.
We are essentially saying the same basic things. What's "out there" to me is why Oneness followers continually
attack trinitarians.
By the way Jesus is not the FATHER.
Excellent teaching. People need their eyes opened, but will still require the work of the Spirit. Some will hold the scales to their eyes and super glue them shut.
Wow, this is really good. Thank you for sharing history in relation to truth.
Thank you for bringing up Justin Martyr as a philosopher. Most trinitarians won't speak of his beliefs he fused with Christianity.
a bunch of them did it but they tried to hide him lol
Amen.
The whole of history about Scripture, and the God of creation, testifies of ONE God numerically.
Thank you.
To God be the Glory.... God bless
Exceptional 👏🏽
Do you have a book of biblical commentaries on scripture?
I think the organization does but not Bernard himself
@@moa3821 thank you
You can purchase copies of all of my books, including my commentaries on Romans, Colossians, and Philemon, at pentecostalpublishing.com/collections/david-k-bernard.
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NEVER!! The Lord Jesus REBUKE You Satan... Father, Son, and Holy Ghost, are Nouns, Not titles, real persons/beings, learn grammatics, stop the ignorance and lies....What a beautiful PEACE is to believe the Bible without twisting It, but trouble and Anguish for liars and deceivers like You....
Brother Bernard, could you give references to the Daniel Wallace comment? It's remarkable. God bless.
Mr Bernard is a brother of Satan, denying the Tri-Unity of God is to deny the deity and existence of the Son who is at the Father's side JOHN 1:18
What about the Greek church?
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#ProudTobeApostolic
Pride is of the Devil
@@tonydiaz2378 And you show a pride. You think you are the judge.
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The Bible is the judge, pride is of the Devil. All I see is that you unicitarians don’t like the Bible
independent Apostolic Pentecostal rock on
2 Corinthians 1:4-5 KJV - Who comforteth us in all our tribulation, that we may be able to comfort them which are in any trouble, by the comfort wherewith we ourselves are comforted of God. For as the sufferings of Christ abound in us, so our consolation also aboundeth by Christ.
Makes me sad that a Trinitarian will only believe CERTAIN scriptures.
They'll argue you down that though Comforter is another divine person, with the then show them things like this and they have no words.
Regarding your point on Tertullian's comment on the majority of the Christians (who he called unlearned) of his day holding a view that God is not a Trinity, I'm not sure that means that the Trinity is false. Even nowadays if you ask Trinitiarian Christians to explain God or the Trinity the majority would very likely not be able to give a satisfying explanation, it doesn't logically follow that the Trinity is a false doctrine (though that would still be up for debate), what would follow is saying that they don't properly understand or know those doctrines.
a quick analogy might be: if asked, most people won't know how antibiotics work, from that we can't conclude that therefore antibiotics don't work, rather, we conclude that people don't properly understand or know that information.
just my 2¢.
We're not saying it's a false doctrine because Trinitarians can't explain it. We're saying it's a false doctrine because it doesn't align with the scriptures. When your (universal "your") fallback argument is the "early church" instead of the _ancient_ church, you have a problem...
@@rachybaby72Well said
Pagan religions had trinities.Are pagan religions true, or false?
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I hope people are doing their own research because none of this is accurate.
Where is their error?
@@wjdyr6261They broad stroke early church history and confuse the Roman church with the rest of the Orthodox Church. The Roman Church used Latin. The majority of Orthodoxy and the New Testament used Greek. The early Church did NOT rely on philosophy or rationalism to explain God and spirituality. This is a fundamental error and misstated confusion on their part.
@MAJPhilipCrabtree who is the "orthodox" church today and what's their doctrine of God?
Roman Catholicism isn't the church. That corrupt religion usurped the NT church and murdered those who rejected it
@@MAJPhilipCrabtree Depends on what era of time you are calling the early Church. The 2nd century and on did rely on philosophy or rationalism to explain God and spirituality. You fail to realize the blinders over your eyes when reading. Tell me what is the rule for biblical interpretation? Are you suppose to add words to the scripture? Are you suppose to add your own opinion as scripture? Take away all of your unbiblical terms, and your own opinion. Read as a middle eastern writing not western pros. Quit twisting scripture.
@Jeffdurbla11 You are inaccurate. One God
The Greek word Kai is translated as and, it is also Even or that is. The word And does not mean another person. Matt 28:19 says NAME singular which is Jesus. All you have to do is read through acts and notice when they mentioned baptism. Jesus is considered the Lamb of God, the King of Kings, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the High Priest. And you believe that, but you don’t believe that One God can be all of that and more.
Isaiah 44:6-8 KJVS
[6] Thus saith the Lord the King of Israel, and his redeemer the Lord of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God. [7] And who, as I, shall call, and shall declare it, and set it in order for me, since I appointed the ancient people? and the things that are coming, and shall come, let them shew unto them. [8] Fear ye not, neither be afraid: have not I told thee from that time, and have declared it ? ye are even my witnesses. Is there a God beside me? yea, there is no God; I know not any.
Revelation 1:7-8 KJVS
[7] Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen. [8] I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
There can’t be two first and last.
Isaiah 9:6 KJVS
[6] For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
Why is Jesus called / Identified as the Mighty God, and the everlasting Father?
1 Timothy 3:16 KJVS
[16] And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
God put on flesh, and became as a man.
Colossians 2:8-9 KJVS
[8] Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. [9] For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. Jude 1:25 KJVS
[25] To the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen.
All that God is resides in the Body of Jesus.
Acts 20:28 (NKJV) 28 Therefore take heed to yourselves and to all the flock, among which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to shepherd the church of God which He purchased with His own blood.
God is Spirit. How does a Spirit have blood? There is no remission of sin without the shedding of blood.
So God produced a human body to be sacrificed for the payment of sin for all.
Well over 300 times the singular pronoun is used when speaking of God. The Greek Τριάδα is translated trinity. Not once is it used by the Apostles, nor of the OT writers. The OT is clear that ONE God was taught, then after the Apostles died He changed His mind?
Mark 12:29 KJVS
And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:
Zechariah 12:10 (KJV) 10 And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem,
the spirit of grace and of supplications:
and they shall look upon ME whom they have pierced,
and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son,
and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.
Who was pierced?
Zechariah 14:9 (NKJV) 9 And the LORD shall be King over all the earth.
In that day it shall be-
“The LORD is one,” And His name one.
John 20:26-28 (KJV) 26 And after eight days again his disciples were within, and Thomas with them: then came Jesus, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, Peace be unto you. 27 Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing. 28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.
Does anyone here remember the scripture that said “Judge not lest ye be judged”?
Does anyone here remember the scripture that said the Lion shall lie down with the lamb?
Does anyone here remember the word “Hallelujah” being in the King James Bible?
Does anyone here remember the word “wineskins” being in the KJV?
Does anyone here remember the word “demon” being in the KJV?
Does anyone here remember the term “Holy of Holies” being in the KJV?
Does anyone here remember the word “restrain” being in the KJV in 2 Thessalonians 2?
I grew up in a King James Bible ONLY culture. We used the KJV exclusively, believing it to be the best translation available.
Is there anyone here who uses the KJV exclusively?
The original Greek and Hebrew are better than the KJV. Quit judging.
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Genesis 1: 1, In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. John 1:1-3. In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made. Hebrews 1: 5 - For to which of the angels did He ever say: "You are My Son, Today I have begotten You"? And again: "I will be to Him a Father, And He shall be to Me a Son"? v6 But when He again brings the firstborn into the world, He says: "Let all the angels of God worship Him. And of the angels He says: "Who makes His angels spirits and His ministers a flame of fire." v8 But to the Son He says: "Your throne, O God, is forever and ever; A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your kingdom.
One God
The Greek word Kai is translated as and, it is also Even or that is. The word And does not mean another person. Matt 28:19 says NAME singular which is Jesus. All you have to do is read through acts and notice when they mentioned baptism. Jesus is considered the Lamb of God, the King of Kings, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the High Priest. And you believe that, but you don’t believe that One God can be all of that and more.
Isaiah 44:6-8 KJVS
[6] Thus saith the Lord the King of Israel, and his redeemer the Lord of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God. [7] And who, as I, shall call, and shall declare it, and set it in order for me, since I appointed the ancient people? and the things that are coming, and shall come, let them shew unto them. [8] Fear ye not, neither be afraid: have not I told thee from that time, and have declared it ? ye are even my witnesses. Is there a God beside me? yea, there is no God; I know not any.
Revelation 1:7-8 KJVS
[7] Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen. [8] I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
There can’t be two first and last.
Isaiah 9:6 KJVS
[6] For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
Why is Jesus called / Identified as the Mighty God, and the everlasting Father?
1 Timothy 3:16 KJVS
[16] And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
God put on flesh, and became as a man.
Colossians 2:8-9 KJVS
[8] Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. [9] For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. Jude 1:25 KJVS
[25] To the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen.
All that God is resides in the Body of Jesus.
Acts 20:28 (NKJV) 28 Therefore take heed to yourselves and to all the flock, among which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to shepherd the church of God which He purchased with His own blood.
God is Spirit. How does a Spirit have blood? There is no remission of sin without the shedding of blood.
So God produced a human body to be sacrificed for the payment of sin for all.
Well over 300 times the singular pronoun is used when speaking of God. The Greek Τριάδα is translated trinity. Not once is it used by the Apostles, nor of the OT writers. The OT is clear that ONE God was taught, then after the Apostles died He changed His mind?
Mark 12:29 KJVS
And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:
Zechariah 12:10 (KJV) 10 And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem,
the spirit of grace and of supplications:
and they shall look upon ME whom they have pierced,
and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son,
and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.
Who was pierced?
Zechariah 14:9 (NKJV) 9 And the LORD shall be King over all the earth.
In that day it shall be-
“The LORD is one,” And His name one.
John 20:26-28 (KJV) 26 And after eight days again his disciples were within, and Thomas with them: then came Jesus, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, Peace be unto you. 27 Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing. 28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.
@@hargisP2 Are you refuting the Scripture I posted? I was careful not to include my own opinion or what these specific scriptures mean to me. What is the point you're trying to make? And are you a 'oneness' pentecostal? Just curious.
Brother Brenham preached the same thing that you people are preaching.
You are still wrong. I have quoted everything you've written to someone at some point. And I was wrong. And it's really not intellectually honest to insist that the individuals is ment. Here's the creed: I beleave in one God the Father Almighty maker of heaven and earth and of all things visible and invisible and one lord Jesus christ the only begotten son of God begotten not made of one essence with the father light of light very God of very God by whom all things were made who for us men and our salvation came down from heaven and was made incarnate by the Holy Sprit and the virgin Mary and was made man, and was crucified for us also under pontius pilot,and suffered and was buried. The third day he rose again according to the scriptures into heaven,and he shall come again to judge the quick and the dead and his kingdom shall have no end. And I belive in the Holy Spirit the lord and giver of life who proceeds from the Father whowith the father and the son together is worshipped and glorified , who spoke through the prophets, and I believe in one Holy catholic and apostolic church. I acknowledge one baptism for the remission of sins, and I look for the resurrection and the life of the world to come. Amen. There is a Holy Spirit at all times all has been, there is a word the son all ways has been. There is the point the Father the self exiting one always has been. What God is we know some what God isn't we know some . But we don't know what God is and of his limitations we aren't aware of any. Did God die on the cross Paradoxically if God didn't die who could possibly pay for sins an empty body?. If God died on the cross the universe is dead obliterated if God didn't die on the cross just a hulk of meat that God had possessed then you are in you sins after all. 1st Corinthians 15: 28 And when all things are made subject unto (him) , (then ) the son himself will also be subject to him who put all things under him that God may be all in all.
A Messenger was sent to call a bride out of the church. Are you them? Evening Time Tabernacle
Trinitarians SEE Acts 2:38 and don't get it. They simply cannot understand what is clearly written in the Bible. Instead of believing the apostles , they believe the so called church fathers, who obviously were ignorant of who Jesus Christ is. I don't see how they could possibly go to heaven for rejecting Jesus Christ's name in water baptism. Then they have the audacity to call oneness a cult, when the cult is clearly them. Paul warned of the coming church fathers in Acts 20:28
Agreed. I would also submit that the reason is because they’ve missed the two essential necessities for the salvation of the soul: repentance from dead works and faith toward GOD. Upon these two principles of Christ’s doctrine, hangs all the humility and submission that GOD accepts and responds to- not only to save but to reveal and dig into the truths of such a glorious gospel even Acts 2:38.
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Peter had the keys to the kingdom and he clearly knew who Jesus Christ is..What shall we do? Repent is clear. Be baptized is clear. In the name of Jesus Christ is clear. No digging no degree needed just obey it.
@@prettypumpkin2314 No argument from me. I agree
The LORD JESUS REBUKE You, lies are Your weapons, we Trinitarians believers Never deny JESUS our savior, but You satanic unicitarians call the Holy Ghost a title... Father, Son, and Holy Ghost, are NOUNS, real persons NOT titles.... You're what the Bible calls REPROBATE MINDS...
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Peter says You are the Son of God who's EQUAL to God and is at the Father's side, JOHN 1:18, Obey JESUS MATTHEW 28 19
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I feel so sorry looking at this. Justin Martyr was not a Bishop. and didn't deliver doctrine to the church. Nevertheless the gentleman never actually quotes Justin, and between them both put all kinds of words into the mouth of a Saint; a man that actually died for the name of Jesus when neither of the fellows here have had a hand burnt for the name of Jesus. Justin was not quoted once. But the wild thing is Trinitarians have never thought that there is more than one God. And the preacher on the left is not quoting Justin he's describing what some guy wrote in his book. And it's ridiculous to say a man; Justin was the beginning. He was justva guy try to convince the Roman authorities not to KILL Christians by the scads he was not a bishop, he was mearly explaining to Roman pagans why Christians should not be thought of as threats to be eliminated. Thus guy says he a Dr. Wow?, that says somthing why is he not siting anything. His presuppositions that a layperson such as Justin started the church. How did he skip over the apostle John and all the apostles had students they thought themselves. A generation doesn't just die out and leave no trace of itself. My grandfather said things and my mother told me what he said. Those folks weren't reading a new testament from the coffee table. They were just passing down what they recived.. St.Timothy himself was part Jewish part Greek. The Holy Ghost would have to a nap for 1900 years. That simply is not true. I don't want to use the" L" word here. This whole thing is absolutely made up. It's a falsehood here. Very sad. I didn't know this was so bad. That's why it was so easy for them to practice segregation while calling themselves holy and dancing aroung. It's not holy. Why many people have not had the Holy Spirit actually fall on them and tricked themselves and others into thinking they had spoken in other tongues . Lots. Do tongues happen yes with a vision or dream also. But many at time people have hand laid on them and are demanded to speak by preachers who do know what it even would be like because they tricked themselves and just went along and spit some unrecognizable pseudo words out . Sad
They are very confused in their history. I find it interesting that they separate themselves even from Protestants, which their arguments hinge on Protestantism as a rebellion against the Roman Catholic Church. ☦️
You need to do better research. Your naive understanding of history is astounding. You obviously haven't read much on how total writings, and records have been destroyed. The Nazi's alone destroyed records, and writings, so did the Communist Vietnamese from the war. The pagan Church leaders destroyed the writings. The RCC is the harlot church. God allows certain things for a reason. Just like with Israel, they were exiled, and many were killed by Nazi's but God kept a remnant. You are not listening to the video very well. And just like your lack of listening, and skipping over scripture while reading you will stay confused, and believing a lie.
One God
The Greek word Kai is translated as and, it is also Even or that is. The word And does not mean another person. Matt 28:19 says NAME singular which is Jesus. All you have to do is read through acts and notice when they mentioned baptism. Jesus is considered the Lamb of God, the King of Kings, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the High Priest. And you believe that, but you don’t believe that One God can be all of that and more.
Isaiah 44:6-8 KJVS
[6] Thus saith the Lord the King of Israel, and his redeemer the Lord of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God. [7] And who, as I, shall call, and shall declare it, and set it in order for me, since I appointed the ancient people? and the things that are coming, and shall come, let them shew unto them. [8] Fear ye not, neither be afraid: have not I told thee from that time, and have declared it ? ye are even my witnesses. Is there a God beside me? yea, there is no God; I know not any.
Revelation 1:7-8 KJVS
[7] Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen. [8] I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
There can’t be two first and last.
Isaiah 9:6 KJVS
[6] For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
Why is Jesus called / Identified as the Mighty God, and the everlasting Father?
1 Timothy 3:16 KJVS
[16] And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
God put on flesh, and became as a man.
Colossians 2:8-9 KJVS
[8] Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. [9] For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. Jude 1:25 KJVS
[25] To the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen.
All that God is resides in the Body of Jesus.
Acts 20:28 (NKJV) 28 Therefore take heed to yourselves and to all the flock, among which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to shepherd the church of God which He purchased with His own blood.
God is Spirit. How does a Spirit have blood? There is no remission of sin without the shedding of blood.
So God produced a human body to be sacrificed for the payment of sin for all.
Well over 300 times the singular pronoun is used when speaking of God. The Greek Τριάδα is translated trinity. Not once is it used by the Apostles, nor of the OT writers. The OT is clear that ONE God was taught, then after the Apostles died He changed His mind?
Mark 12:29 KJVS
And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:
Zechariah 12:10 (KJV) 10 And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem,
the spirit of grace and of supplications:
and they shall look upon ME whom they have pierced,
and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son,
and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.
Who was pierced?
Zechariah 14:9 (NKJV) 9 And the LORD shall be King over all the earth.
In that day it shall be-
“The LORD is one,” And His name one.
John 20:26-28 (KJV) 26 And after eight days again his disciples were within, and Thomas with them: then came Jesus, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, Peace be unto you. 27 Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing. 28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.
I'm anti organization
No man is an island unto himself.
@@michaelwaters6829 well I am Michael Waters I am i anti organization I don't care what denomination you're a part of I don't agree with churches being a part of organizations I rather than be independent unaffiliated with the organization so God bless you goodbye
@@michaelwaters6829 no but you can stand alone on the mountain
Hebrews 10:25
[25]Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.
@@mychaelgriffin As soon as you join with a group of people, you become an organization.