An excellent and well made video very different to how its done in the UK, it was good to see the whole system right up to loading on the timber wagon.
Great video and amazingly precise and fast machines. Can you imagine just how long this would take and how many potential accidence would happen doing this the old fashioned way?
@bonnielea14 They're only slashing the aspen, which is usually used for pulp. Note that there aren't any conifer decks around there, which are usually used for lumber.
@perki1952 Possibly, but that's aspen they are cutting to length at the end, not the conifer the skidder was walking. Aspen is usually not used for saw logs, but conifer usually is used for saw logs, so chances are, the trees that skidder is breaking are going for saw logs. Either way, walking the deck also equals more severely damaged and/or lost skidplates, which in turn requires more maintainance, so don't do it!
In Vancouver Friesen Brs. is a trucking co. but they don't haul logs. When I was young I worked in a stud mill and I cut the logs to length with a big saw like that, but I lifted it by hand.
@gothenburgan i have to agree - that is a serious amount of handling when a harvester and forwarder can produce the desired result more effectivly. the skidder is the weekest link here, two machines working are easier to sync than four! iIf there are two skidders thats five!
@WillBrownell95 I meant "wasteful" in the sense that less board-feet of lumber can be made from a broken tree, and since lumber is worth more than chips, it is wasteful. Yes, the pieces will be used for chips, but it's still discarded as a saw log. That's what I meant. What could have been a 2x4 instead becomes chips, and that is a waste, even if the chips are being used in the end.
in general we worked good size block with an 870 TC in about a week when a single grip harvester/processor takes about a month in the same block. Ja, you are right, he is slow but I am sure he is new at this and gets faster in time if he cares about production at all.
@WillBrownell95 Yes, I understand that the boken pieces will likely be chipped, but what I'm trying to explain, is that since the original purpose of the logs is most likely lumber, any piece that cannot be made into lumber is therefore a waste, even if it gets chipped and used in the end. Does that make sense?
@WillBrownell95 Because it's not going to be used for its original intended purpose, and okay, you got me there, I can't say 100% for sure that its intended purpose is saw logs, but where I come from, it would be. Around here, the saw mills that make lumber out of S/P/F aren't interested in making chips, that's done by the pulp mills, and those same saw mills would easily use the logs in this video for lumber, even if they could only get one 8 foot 2x4 out of it. Done it plenty of times.
Hi, and thanks for the uploads. Can anyone direct me to a video showing the largest circumference tree this machine or a similar one can handle I would love to view that, as up to now I have only ever seen it with six inch to a foot lumber. Take care. mrbluenun
that and bent skid plates to the point where you cant put them back on once removed (unless beat back into shape, holes move). seen quite a few newfies do this. not one held the job for very long.....very hard on equipment.
I use to work for a mob in the bush here in Australia logging so to all the tree hugging so and so out there go and jump or go and do a day in the bush and see what we go through
@Rocky070107 There not actually that bad that type of chain is really heavyand if there is no snow or mud to hold them to the tires they don't need much slack to sound loud. I've had more slack in my chains than that before
I see the processor looking John deere that's stacking the wood is a dead cost I don't see we're it's necessary but Im also a south ga logger and know nothing about that kinda setup just saying u can get all the limbs off with skidder and cut the top down to a pencil tip with the loader
@Newyorklumberjack, nothing wrong with east coast loggers, Its just a west coast styriotype, most people think logging is only in the northwest, i kind of enjoy that because i live in the NW, but there are loggers where there are trees, midwest, east and the south, if someone makes fun of you for being an east coast logger just say id like to see you log in some of the places ive been, see what there reactions are, if they have never logged in the east the may think its really dangerous...lol
What are you going to do with those sticks, make toothpicks? Watch a logging video from the 20's and see what we've done to our great resources!! "OLD MAN DAVE"
@imranmarshall11 good hate me but know your homework logging is a renewable sorce of energy i do get your point i hate clear cutting to make way for a city im with ya there but loging in a forest and it growing back i have logged in bushes that have been logged 15years ago and they grow back up fresh for the pickens
@perki1952 I say walking the deck with the skidder = broken trees and you say, "So what?" So in the worst case scenario perfectly good trees are being wasted because they're broken and nothing can be made of them and in the best case scenario more wood is being wasted at the mill because fractured lumber doesn't meet quality specs and is discarded, so in both scenarios it's wasteful, AND the mill pays you less for your logs because the quality is poor, that's what.
These poor operators. All you experts should make your own video to show them the right way,then leave a space for coments and watch your self esteem go down the shitter. Good video.
yeah this is not popular in europe cause with driving you put groundpresure on all the area. in europe is more use of special lines where the maschines drive in. by the way i like this vids and the maschines. greats from germany.
This is very good, but very slow operation. If they have the time that's fine. I have tryed bearpaw's on all 4's , it will beat you to death. They must have thier gramma driving the skidder. I like this operation no waste, [ very good video guy's ] I got stuck in the pile one time , i had a big mess.
maybe if he goes to fast he work him self out of a job ...and when u talking about walking the deck u talking about the skidder coming off the end of the deck ,,just wonder is that wood going for pulp or saw logs ..and just wait till the bc bug gets there .lol.
Although there seems to be criticism of the speed and load size you guys run at, at least your crew is not kicking the living daylights out of the machinery.
well..at least ther not wrecking machines and obviously it is not their first day on the job...possibly just a nice calm day with some old timers running the show .
@odmcarp doesn't look like a rain forest to me... You will find that logging practices in developed countries are actually very sustainable. They harvest an area, then the regrow it so they can come back in 20 years time and harvest it again. In fact, most logging operations plant more trees than they cut down. If you want to call people assholes for cutting rainforests down, try down in south america. But don't just stereotype anyone that is in the logging industry ok?
One of my favorite logging videos, never gets old!
An excellent and well made video very different to how its done in the UK, it was good to see the whole system right up to loading on the timber wagon.
great video on showing the entire process from standing wood to junked up on the trailer! thanks for sharing
Thanks very much for the upload of this forestry video, great stuff!
Take care.
mrbluenun
Awesome!
Thanks for that !
A skidder and fellerbuncher cab view would be nice as well !
Take care and all the best
Alexander
Great video and operation....looks like fence posts...lots of equiptment..thanks for the vid.
Great video and amazingly precise and fast machines. Can you imagine just how long this would take and how many potential accidence would happen doing this the old fashioned way?
@bonnielea14 They're only slashing the aspen, which is usually used for pulp. Note that there aren't any conifer decks around there, which are usually used for lumber.
@perki1952 Possibly, but that's aspen they are cutting to length at the end, not the conifer the skidder was walking. Aspen is usually not used for saw logs, but conifer usually is used for saw logs, so chances are, the trees that skidder is breaking are going for saw logs. Either way, walking the deck also equals more severely damaged and/or lost skidplates, which in turn requires more maintainance, so don't do it!
Most interesting and helpful video. Thanks for posting.
@Newyorklumberjack yeah im in PA and we log the old fashioned way, a chainsaw and tractor, but were just as fast as the best.
👍 video, nice working logging operation. 🌲
In Vancouver Friesen Brs. is a trucking co. but they don't haul logs. When I was young I worked in a stud mill and I cut the logs to length with a big saw like that, but I lifted it by hand.
ya, we log in maine a lot, ecspecially up north, we have a lot of big pines up here
They use feller bunchers a lot in Maine, from like the Orono area up, I saw some this summer in class
Good vidio guys. This shows how the real axe-men work. No drama or flash, just good steady work and getting the job done.
@gothenburgan i have to agree - that is a serious amount of handling when a harvester and forwarder can produce the desired result more effectivly. the skidder is the weekest link here, two machines working are easier to sync than four! iIf there are two skidders thats five!
@WillBrownell95 I meant "wasteful" in the sense that less board-feet of lumber can be made from a broken tree, and since lumber is worth more than chips, it is wasteful. Yes, the pieces will be used for chips, but it's still discarded as a saw log. That's what I meant. What could have been a 2x4 instead becomes chips, and that is a waste, even if the chips are being used in the end.
in general we worked good size block with an 870 TC in about a week when a single grip harvester/processor takes about a month in the same block. Ja, you are right, he is slow but I am sure he is new at this and gets faster in time if he cares about production at all.
First skidder I ever ran was a 548g lol awesome video
I would take a buncher and skidder over a harvester and forwarder anyday. Great video
@WillBrownell95 Yes, I understand that the boken pieces will likely be chipped, but what I'm trying to explain, is that since the original purpose of the logs is most likely lumber, any piece that cannot be made into lumber is therefore a waste, even if it gets chipped and used in the end. Does that make sense?
@Dave Prut. A clean forest is a healthy forest. Undeniable FACT!
@theonlydaylight its completely different types of logging if you tried logging here they would run circles around you and vice versa
I really want to do this where do I apply
@WillBrownell95 Because it's not going to be used for its original intended purpose, and okay, you got me there, I can't say 100% for sure that its intended purpose is saw logs, but where I come from, it would be. Around here, the saw mills that make lumber out of S/P/F aren't interested in making chips, that's done by the pulp mills, and those same saw mills would easily use the logs in this video for lumber, even if they could only get one 8 foot 2x4 out of it. Done it plenty of times.
824, Now that is impressive
Is that realy the smartest way of logging? It seams soo old fashioned if i compare too howe we do it in sweden
@gothenburgan
That is the reason, why all the new modern Equipment comes from Europe, ore is designed in Europe.
Hi, and thanks for the uploads.
Can anyone direct me to a video showing the largest circumference tree this machine or a similar one can handle
I would love to view that, as up to now I have only ever seen it with six inch to a foot lumber.
Take care.
mrbluenun
That's a neat cutter, Must be popular in your region
@effinghamhick I'm not sure what you mean. What isn't hurting anything and saving wear and money on the loaders?
that and bent skid plates to the point where you cant put them back on once removed (unless beat back into shape, holes move). seen quite a few newfies do this. not one held the job for very long.....very hard on equipment.
No, it's a John Deere 6076 I think. It's a Deere engine for sure. Not sure about the number.
Do you guys do much logging in Manitoba with the closure of Pine Falls paper mill and Kenora?
I would think they would be 8ft. pulp logs
i log in canada....ran feller buncher, skidders and delimbers. lots of wood up here.
i all ways here about logging in the north west but do they log here in the north east to????
I use to work for a mob in the bush here in Australia logging so to all the tree hugging so and so out there go and jump or go and do a day in the bush and see what we go through
@Rocky070107 There not actually that bad that type of chain is really heavyand if there is no snow or mud to hold them to the tires they don't need much slack to sound loud. I've had more slack in my chains than that before
I see the processor looking John deere that's stacking the wood is a dead cost I don't see we're it's necessary but Im also a south ga logger and know nothing about that kinda setup just saying u can get all the limbs off with skidder and cut the top down to a pencil tip with the loader
It is a pity the drivers never seem to need to leave their cabs, because it is really only then that the huge size of these machine can be seen.
@pand30n for sure your production is better thann 3000 cubic meter by week?with minus 2 guys :)
that is one bad ass limber who makes it
what kind of engine are they running in that first machine a C-13?
Must be nice running a grapple skidder. You don't have to get off and hitch up the chokers when the bugs are thick or it's 5 below 0.
the feller buncher overheat ?
@Newyorklumberjack, nothing wrong with east coast loggers, Its just a west coast styriotype, most people think logging is only in the northwest, i kind of enjoy that because i live in the NW, but there are loggers where there are trees, midwest, east and the south, if someone makes fun of you for being an east coast logger just say id like to see you log in some of the places ive been, see what there reactions are, if they have never logged in the east the may think its really dangerous...lol
What are you going to do with those sticks, make toothpicks? Watch a logging video from the 20's and see what we've done to our great resources!! "OLD MAN DAVE"
"who made that feller buncher"
Tigercat :-)
@NathansBackwoods yeah man i live up in wisconsin and i hand cut some of the biggest white pines seen to man haha
short logs yeah....long logs you skip the slasher part and top the trees at around 6inch and keep the full lenth.
good video,vraiment bon!!!
is that skidder stick shift or hydro? are the newer ones hydro?
@Newyorklumberjack HELLS YA WE CAN
@imranmarshall11 good hate me but know your homework logging is a renewable sorce of energy i do get your point i hate clear cutting to make way for a city im with ya there but loging in a forest and it growing back i have logged in bushes that have been logged 15years ago and they grow back up fresh for the pickens
Thats fine if all pieces produce at a equal rate, work the same hours and nothing breaks, but not always practical
Walking the deck with the skidder = broken trees!
i meant the limber not the bunch'er the bunch'er is a tigercat
Looks like production logging of aspen...
who made that feller buncher
Great video. New Follower here.
your hoses sure hang down on the buncher head we got a tigercat 822 the hoses dont hang down
they must be strong!!
@perki1952 It's all good! :)
5:02 cool for sure!!
friesenbros heeten jii? praot ji ook plattdütsch?
@perki1952
I say walking the deck with the skidder = broken trees and you say, "So what?" So in the worst case scenario perfectly good trees are being wasted because they're broken and nothing can be made of them and in the best case scenario more wood is being wasted at the mill because fractured lumber doesn't meet quality specs and is discarded, so in both scenarios it's wasteful, AND the mill pays you less for your logs because the quality is poor, that's what.
@diesel4life7410 lol your message remember me when i was drunk and call greenpeace to let them know that a tree grow back! XD i was hungry lol
hello jeff just wondering is this in thunderbay area I'm related with lots of friesen
We’re in Emo, Ontario; about 4 hours west of Thunder Bay.
What are these little trees used for,,, pulp??
Look like pine tree. Used for lumber
Sehr schön . Dort würde ich auch gern arbeiten
that is a lot like maine logging but some differnce
Thanks that was my goal
@Ki113rBuD looks like they never thined it
Them machines replaced a lot off men used saws eh too bad eh
@gothenburgan no you couldn't those machines put out 4000 chords every two weeks......your 1270 and 1410 wont even come close to that
Ok cool thanks for the feedback
Spongiob. Pantaloni. Patrati.
These poor operators. All you experts should make your own video to show them the right way,then leave a space for coments and watch your self esteem go down the shitter. Good video.
I used to run one of theses and run skidder no man with a chainsaw can cut this fast.
yeah this is not popular in europe cause with driving you put groundpresure on all the area. in europe is more use of special lines where the maschines drive in. by the way i like this vids and the maschines. greats from germany.
Apareció jhon deere, ya era hora...
good,good
This is very good, but very slow operation. If they have the time that's fine. I have tryed bearpaw's on all 4's , it will beat you to death. They must have thier gramma driving the skidder. I like this operation no waste, [ very good video guy's ] I got stuck in the pile one time , i had a big mess.
Cool operation. What use are these short logs destined for?
Their destiny was to the Terrace Bay Paper Mill in Ontario probably.
+CowSausages Jatsfa
the first skidder operator must be new or getting paid by the hour my boss wouldn't put up with me going at that speed lol
hey the chains on your skidder are loose. : (
Awsome
maybe if he goes to fast he work him self out of a job ...and when u talking about walking the deck u talking about the skidder coming off the end of the deck ,,just wonder is that wood going for pulp or saw logs ..and just wait till the bc bug gets there .lol.
hehe course id kno about logging my man is one ;)
Although there seems to be criticism of the speed and load size you guys run at, at least your crew is not kicking the living daylights out of the machinery.
Mr42960 jm
I think it might be a Cummings
@harcerz97 what the hell? ive seen some stupid shit in my time!?
@imranmarshall11 did you know that a pine forest will grow back to origanl in 5 to 10 years god i hate tree huggers
I owned a tigercat 853 lots of problems, stayed with Timberjack
Lol bad idea 11 years later? Tigercat is going hard ,we're timberjack? ...oh right ,there owned by deere now lol
well..at least ther not wrecking machines and obviously it is not their first day on the job...possibly just a nice calm day with some old timers running the show .
you cant live on 10 dollars an hour, these guys live this they cant work anywhere else
@odmcarp doesn't look like a rain forest to me... You will find that logging practices in developed countries are actually very sustainable. They harvest an area, then the regrow it so they can come back in 20 years time and harvest it again. In fact, most logging operations plant more trees than they cut down.
If you want to call people assholes for cutting rainforests down, try down in south america. But don't just stereotype anyone that is in the logging industry ok?
Wow!!! That is how tooth picks are made!!!!!! Must be in Canada?
Uh we have real trees up here, well in BC we have real trees
how can this be effective? damn... this is like swedish forestry in the 70¨s
In Finland we have nice thing called Ponsse
Lauri Rahkonen in Canada we got TIGERCAT
in America the greatest place ever we have deere fucking losers
@@wemovetheearthjpease I run deere for 15 years, nothing wrong with deere, just now tigercat has made better everything! Bunchers,skidders, loaders