The optimised and budget versions are really good. Makes these upping the average decks much more useful for a lot of people also looking for mode optimised versions of not so popular commanders, especially people who are happy to proxy. Really hope you continue this format in the future.
I’ve been running an angry Omnath list since BFZ released and I love how you spread the message to cut as many non basics as possible from the list. Honestly, you don’t need more than a couple fetches (even Terramorphic Expanse is good!) and almost zero nonbasic color-fixing lands. Utility lands and basics are really all you need, and the deck will be smoother and more deadly for it.
I'm just happy to see someone else recommend Stone-seeder Hierophant! Also be certain to play Storm Cauldron and Confounding Conundrum in this deck if you have to many friends
Thank you so much, I literally just posted to reddit like 4 hours ago asking to help me with an optimized list because I have been having problems getting bad opening hands.
Why no love for my girl Knight of the Reliquary?! She can tutor for ANY land. She fills up our graveyard with lands so we return them with crucible, ancient greenwarden, and ramunap excavator to trigger even more landfall. She can grow to monstrous size and beat face. And that's all in one cheap 3 mana card!
I just finished teching out and started building this commander. Thank you for a) reminding me of the existence of Stone-Seeder Hierophant, and b) convincing me to run Sakura-Tribe Scout. (You'll pry Phylath and Murasa from my cold dead hands, but I'm also running 31 basics because why not)
If anything, this video has shown me how many cool effects there are for these decks at lower rarities. I usually hate landfall value commanders like Aesi, Tatyova, and Omnath, but this video's convinced me to make a Peasant Omnath deck.
I've been waffling on whether or not I want to turn my Tatyova deck into a 4c Omnath deck. Looking at the optimized version you have listed here I own all but about 4-5 of the nonland cards in that list. I think I'm going to actually do it.
the omnath "big mana" ramp is certainly a good idea. some interesting ideas you can try (for the optimized version) however: 1. yavimaya, cradle of growth (mh2 addition) subs a forest 2. tireless provisioner 3. quirion ranger (works really well with ashaya and any creature that taps to put lands into play) 4. life from the loam (self explanatory and really all around all star) 5. burgeoning (enables u to play fetches on enemy turns for double landfall triggers) 6. titania, priest of argoth (if you run 12 fetches you should be putting this) 7. mystic remora (need more draws and paying the upkeep is easy with omnath) 8. sylvan library (you can pay for the life easy with omnath) 9. finale of devastation (replacing eledamri call) 10. eternal witness 11. bane of progress (you dont run many enchantments and/or artifacts) 12. realms uncharted (just find any 4 fetches) 13. thrasios (great mana sink and draw) 14. dryad arbor (fetchable and triggers landfall why not) 15. put in the missing fetchlands pls (bloodstained, mrash flats, verdant) 16. glacial floodplain what i would remove: 1. rampant growth and farseek 2. sol ring (i went for more interaction and synergy) 3. eladamri's call (for finale of devastation) 4. moraug 5. omnath, locus of the roil 6. tireless tracker 7. zendikar's roil 8. radha 9. stone seeder (i know he made a case for it but i never really found this very sexy) 10. courser of kruphix (i dont need lifegain and playing lands from the top....might as well get another draw in like sylvan) 11. reshape the earth/scapeshift (its a cool card but i generally only want to see either or when i play again my opinion)z 12. izzet boilerworks (i find 3 bounce to be sufficient besides you already have some land tutors going) 13. krosan verge 14. exotic orchard (need more fetchable targets)
The auto-fetching lands from Capenna were a boon to budget versions of this deck, letting you get five double-trigger effects for bulk prices. Between those, the colourless fetchlands, and the lands that kill nonbasics and fetch basics, there are now ten lands that cause two landfall triggers at bulk prices. Hugely helpful, since you only need one play-lands-from-grave to feed him endlessly.
I've actually been tuning this deck as well. I made mine when he released. I focused more on ramping into big creatures, as opposed to creating tokens (managing tokens tends to be unbearable when putting 5-6 lands in a turn). I found the deck needed a few things to give my creatures haste; Temur Ascendancy (this actually cause many draws as well) and Maelstrom Wanderer helped in this regard. I needed some removal. But opted out of traditional spot removal. Aura Shards, and Zacama, Primal Calamity have done me pretty well. I noticed we both decided to pull the Emeria Angel and Phylath. As for colorless utility lands, might I suggest strip mine and wasteland?
Some of my favorite budget friendly cards for Omnath that were not mentioned are: The Mending of Dominaria, Rune Ghost, Tideforce Elemental, and Tectonic Reformation.
Thanks! Tectonic reformation really filled a gap! Basically as good as trade routes, and already have plenty of methods of returning lands to hand, this will save a bunch of money for sure.
Could you please do a Saskia the Unyielding upping the average. I have made mine Angels, Demons and Dragons but I would love to see what you would do with the average Saskia deck
As someone who made his own Omnath deck for commander super happy to see what I threw together is just shy of the budget version by 50$ but I still made it work. Still got intimate land fall combo still got spitfire and valakut etc. but now I truly understand how I need dump in to more bounce and fetch lands. As well as some sort of tutor so I can pull my last combo piece. That being said tho I did not think about flickering Omnath that is something I need to put in if I want my Omnath deck to be a formidable one.
A big fan of the budget deck in this episode. Perhaps you could make an opposite of Commander's Quarter's series "Break the Bank," where you are seeing how to more seriously decreas the average decks budget? I know I'd be super up for that, since I can only really acquire more budget-minded decks and I always appreciate some professional help in building/finding great lists.
What are you guys thought about Wrenn and Six as well as the upcomming Wrenn and seven for a landfall omnath deck do you see the fit or do you think its overkill?
I built K&T 4 color landfall a year ago after I was concerned my tatyova deck was too boring to play against. I liked the group hug element of K&T, and even run Rites of Flourishing for the same reason. I've started to realize though that even with some group hug, landfall is just very strong and maybe I've been holding my deck back too much by trying to keep this friendly theme going. So been eyeing an Omnath switch along with a combo or two detailed here
Just flicker it so you can continue triggering his landfall after the third trigger. That's very easy to do considering you have access to white and blue.
Would Reshape the Earth be good to add? It's a 6 with three green sorcery 'search your library for up to ten land cards, put them onto the battlefield tapped, then shuffle your library.'
Murasa + Freed from the Real + Lotus Cobra + A Basic Island is infinite landfall trigger, I use it in my Omnath Deck and I would say that it is a decent combo, even though there is a much better combo in Retreat to Coralhelm + Any creatures that tap to put a land on the field + any bounce lands.
If you want damage look no further than purphuros and tyrant of the peaks. I run a flicker list, but with all the token makers these cards should still be fantastic here.
If you're running retreat to coralhelm, ashaya and stone seeder hierophant, a super budget card (my pet card, which i find ways to break in almost any deck) would be scaretiller. Noone cares about your weak little scarecrow until you suddenly make it go infinite, which those cards do so so easily.
Damn, almost a $200 deck is a "budget" deck? Then I saw the first deck price of almost reaching $1k. I'm probably gonna end up sticking to the Commander's Quarters decklist
I really wish lands, aka the most boring cards in your deck, were more affordable. Always feels bad when having to decide between buying 5 interesting cards and a land that will improve the consistency ever so slightly.
@@okgut2033 oh yes. I’ve used Sakashima. And rite. It’s awesome. The list gets a lil convoluted at that point but boy oh boy it’s a good game (for you)
As a long time landfall player I can tell you with a straight face Asusa is completely everything or nothing. If you don't have lands to play she does absolutely nothing. Mina and Denn is actually more impactful, because you can return a bounce land to your hand on a later turn while still allowing you to play more lands. Ghirapur Orrery also lets you run addional lands out but has extra utility. Being able to play 2 extra lands is very powerful but I feel that being able to run 1 extra land out and have extra utility is better. Courser of Kruphix is very impactful. Harrow is a basically a combat trick. Dual lands are good, but i recommend more basics, basic. Wave of Vitrol is an absolute bomb in landfall and From The Ashes is also a bomb. Also personal opinion Nissa Vastwood Seer is better than Vital Force in landfall, as she fetches out a forest when she comes in and she is basically better Courser of Kruphix when she flips. Also make sure you read through some ramp spells, some of those edge case ramp spells are actually better in landfall because the edge case cards either let you do something you wouldn't be able to do normally, or have a drawback tacked on to them that is actually free value in land fall. Lastly only play Storm Caldron if you are planning on winning that turn.
I disagree with the land count 35 or 37 is well good enough for a lands/landfall commander only landfall/lands commander I run 40 lands in is lord windgrace because he’s gets value at discarding lands and bringing them back and bouncing them to hand to discard them for more value only in that instance I need a higher mass of lands for Omnath any of them except mono green one you don’t need that much of lands
I think it's a real shame you don't have Nahiri's Lithoforming in there because if you have a crucible of worlds/equivalent that's a potential draw 6+ and 6+ landfall triggers.
I don't feel like aiming for infinites makes a deck argue that it's "casual" anymore. In fact, I'd go so far as to say that's the primary distinguishing factor between cEDH and regular EDH is intentional infinites.
Ah good, I was just tuning my Omnath deck from "Things with Landfall from Zendikar Rising" to an actual deck, so this is great
I really like that you had the tuned up version as well as the budget version for this commander.
The optimised and budget versions are really good. Makes these upping the average decks much more useful for a lot of people also looking for mode optimised versions of not so popular commanders, especially people who are happy to proxy. Really hope you continue this format in the future.
YES
I'd love to see an update to the budget version
I’ve been running an angry Omnath list since BFZ released and I love how you spread the message to cut as many non basics as possible from the list. Honestly, you don’t need more than a couple fetches (even Terramorphic Expanse is good!) and almost zero nonbasic color-fixing lands. Utility lands and basics are really all you need, and the deck will be smoother and more deadly for it.
Love the 2 budget options. I hope you continue this in the future.
I played this deck and finally had fun with the game, thanks for this and thanks for helping me enjoy the game!
the two options was a great add! Definitely something I feel should be done more in the future, if possible. Thanks for the cool episode!
Damn, these Upping the Average episodes have been on point for me lately. It seems like every time I build a deck, you're there to improve it!
I've been playing omnath since it was gruul, and I love this list, thank you very much!
I like the Dualcaster Mage Ghostly Flicker combo in Omnath.
I'm just happy to see someone else recommend Stone-seeder Hierophant! Also be certain to play Storm Cauldron and Confounding Conundrum in this deck if you have to many friends
Cool deck lists they've deffenitly help me think of some additions I could make to my omnath deck
Thank you so much, I literally just posted to reddit like 4 hours ago asking to help me with an optimized list because I have been having problems getting bad opening hands.
Why no love for my girl Knight of the Reliquary?! She can tutor for ANY land. She fills up our graveyard with lands so we return them with crucible, ancient greenwarden, and ramunap excavator to trigger even more landfall. She can grow to monstrous size and beat face. And that's all in one cheap 3 mana card!
And she peers well with Retreat To Coralhelm!
I just finished teching out and started building this commander. Thank you for a) reminding me of the existence of Stone-Seeder Hierophant, and b) convincing me to run Sakura-Tribe Scout. (You'll pry Phylath and Murasa from my cold dead hands, but I'm also running 31 basics because why not)
If anything, this video has shown me how many cool effects there are for these decks at lower rarities. I usually hate landfall value commanders like Aesi, Tatyova, and Omnath, but this video's convinced me to make a Peasant Omnath deck.
Been meaning to tune up my 4 color jellybean deck and this came at the perfect time!
I've been waffling on whether or not I want to turn my Tatyova deck into a 4c Omnath deck. Looking at the optimized version you have listed here I own all but about 4-5 of the nonland cards in that list. I think I'm going to actually do it.
*shaking my fist in anger at the Roil Elemental cut* ;)
Very cool thanks.
the omnath "big mana" ramp is certainly a good idea. some interesting ideas you can try (for the optimized version) however:
1. yavimaya, cradle of growth (mh2 addition) subs a forest
2. tireless provisioner
3. quirion ranger (works really well with ashaya and any creature that taps to put lands into play)
4. life from the loam (self explanatory and really all around all star)
5. burgeoning (enables u to play fetches on enemy turns for double landfall triggers)
6. titania, priest of argoth (if you run 12 fetches you should be putting this)
7. mystic remora (need more draws and paying the upkeep is easy with omnath)
8. sylvan library (you can pay for the life easy with omnath)
9. finale of devastation (replacing eledamri call)
10. eternal witness
11. bane of progress (you dont run many enchantments and/or artifacts)
12. realms uncharted (just find any 4 fetches)
13. thrasios (great mana sink and draw)
14. dryad arbor (fetchable and triggers landfall why not)
15. put in the missing fetchlands pls (bloodstained, mrash flats, verdant)
16. glacial floodplain
what i would remove:
1. rampant growth and farseek
2. sol ring (i went for more interaction and synergy)
3. eladamri's call (for finale of devastation)
4. moraug
5. omnath, locus of the roil
6. tireless tracker
7. zendikar's roil
8. radha
9. stone seeder (i know he made a case for it but i never really found this very sexy)
10. courser of kruphix (i dont need lifegain and playing lands from the top....might as well get another draw in like sylvan)
11. reshape the earth/scapeshift (its a cool card but i generally only want to see either or when i play again my opinion)z
12. izzet boilerworks (i find 3 bounce to be sufficient besides you already have some land tutors going)
13. krosan verge
14. exotic orchard (need more fetchable targets)
Yes! The Land is Falling!!!
The auto-fetching lands from Capenna were a boon to budget versions of this deck, letting you get five double-trigger effects for bulk prices. Between those, the colourless fetchlands, and the lands that kill nonbasics and fetch basics, there are now ten lands that cause two landfall triggers at bulk prices. Hugely helpful, since you only need one play-lands-from-grave to feed him endlessly.
Nice, you certainly upped the average.
I've actually been tuning this deck as well. I made mine when he released. I focused more on ramping into big creatures, as opposed to creating tokens (managing tokens tends to be unbearable when putting 5-6 lands in a turn). I found the deck needed a few things to give my creatures haste; Temur Ascendancy (this actually cause many draws as well) and Maelstrom Wanderer helped in this regard. I needed some removal. But opted out of traditional spot removal. Aura Shards, and Zacama, Primal Calamity have done me pretty well. I noticed we both decided to pull the Emeria Angel and Phylath. As for colorless utility lands, might I suggest strip mine and wasteland?
I feel like the Panorama Lands should be included in a budget version. Additional Landfall triggers and can be replayed from the GY
Some of my favorite budget friendly cards for Omnath that were not mentioned are: The Mending of Dominaria, Rune Ghost, Tideforce Elemental, and Tectonic Reformation.
Thanks! Tectonic reformation really filled a gap! Basically as good as trade routes, and already have plenty of methods of returning lands to hand, this will save a bunch of money for sure.
Could you please do a Saskia the Unyielding upping the average. I have made mine Angels, Demons and Dragons but I would love to see what you would do with the average Saskia deck
As someone who made his own Omnath deck for commander super happy to see what I threw together is just shy of the budget version by 50$ but I still made it work. Still got intimate land fall combo still got spitfire and valakut etc. but now I truly understand how I need dump in to more bounce and fetch lands. As well as some sort of tutor so I can pull my last combo piece. That being said tho I did not think about flickering Omnath that is something I need to put in if I want my Omnath deck to be a formidable one.
A big fan of the budget deck in this episode. Perhaps you could make an opposite of Commander's Quarter's series "Break the Bank," where you are seeing how to more seriously decreas the average decks budget? I know I'd be super up for that, since I can only really acquire more budget-minded decks and I always appreciate some professional help in building/finding great lists.
Hello everyone, I'm working on a landfall deck for the first time. How many ramp spells would you go for as a good average basis ?
Omg thats just the comander im building rn, i bought 2 precons aesi and obuun
What are you guys thought about Wrenn and Six as well as the upcomming Wrenn and seven for a landfall omnath deck do you see the fit or do you think its overkill?
I built K&T 4 color landfall a year ago after I was concerned my tatyova deck was too boring to play against. I liked the group hug element of K&T, and even run Rites of Flourishing for the same reason. I've started to realize though that even with some group hug, landfall is just very strong and maybe I've been holding my deck back too much by trying to keep this friendly theme going. So been eyeing an Omnath switch along with a combo or two detailed here
When Ashaya etbs and turns my non-token creatures into lands, does that cause any landfall abilities to activate?
Just flicker it so you can continue triggering his landfall after the third trigger. That's very easy to do considering you have access to white and blue.
I have the RG jellybean deck which I love playing, but it doesn't compare to Ghave, Guru of Spores of which you should do an Upping the Average on.
Would Reshape the Earth be good to add? It's a 6 with three green sorcery 'search your library for up to ten land cards, put them onto the battlefield tapped, then shuffle your library.'
Please, make a upping the average for ghen, Arcanum weaver
Ngl when I first built 4 color omnath I just built it as 4 color tatyova
What about Altar of the brood ? while boots & cats loop is in effect.
Could you do Lurrus of the Dream-Den?
Meloku!!!! Yes!!!!
I am surprised i did not see a Ancient Greenwarden in this deck list.
Made a version of this today that embraces basics and it cost me like $50
Love you're decks list if you can make xyris the writhing storm please 🙏 🙂
Omg I love Xyris. He’s a blast. I just made him from my Nekusar and added green boosting and haste. Purphorous helps a ton. Speeds games up as well
How good would the deck be if i use the budget lands with the rest of the optimized cards? $500 on just lands is crazy lol
I'd recommend Confounding Conundrum
Murasa + Freed from the Real + Lotus Cobra + A Basic Island is infinite landfall trigger, I use it in my Omnath Deck and I would say that it is a decent combo, even though there is a much better combo in Retreat to Coralhelm + Any creatures that tap to put a land on the field + any bounce lands.
Joey is destroying my wallet with this EDHRec series
Joey: We're shaving money off this decklist!
Viewer: *buys entire cheaper decklist from scratch because it looks cool*
Might I suggest Patron of the Moon in addition to Meloku?
Meloku pulls lands and makes Illusion tokens and Patron of the Moon puts them back.
I'm surprised he didn't start with ditching a lot of the nonbasics. Nice build
I actually like escape the wilds actually. Since you can use it the same turn or the next one its pretty good
I would recommend craterhoof and finale of devastation or tooth and nail
I agree completely, I feel like that gives it a wincon. I know I'd personally run 2 of the three.
@@mrhaggerd I personally run all three just because tooth and nail can win you the game on it's own
I have a challenge for you. Do an Upping the average with Rasputin Dreamweaver
Play omnath with Eldrazi, so much value and flavor
Wort, Boggart Auntie next? 🥺 Plz
If you want damage look no further than purphuros and tyrant of the peaks. I run a flicker list, but with all the token makers these cards should still be fantastic here.
Please cover kadena next! (Also love the jokes)
I'm surprised Ruin Ghost isn't in there.
If you're running retreat to coralhelm, ashaya and stone seeder hierophant, a super budget card (my pet card, which i find ways to break in almost any deck) would be scaretiller. Noone cares about your weak little scarecrow until you suddenly make it go infinite, which those cards do so so easily.
... I always forgot that Omnath draws a card on entry
BOOTS N CATS!!!!!
My group HATES my locus of creation deck 😥.
tappedout.net/mtg-decks/omnath-locus-of-creations/ Here is my deck list anyone that wants some other inspo.
Damn, almost a $200 deck is a "budget" deck? Then I saw the first deck price of almost reaching $1k. I'm probably gonna end up sticking to the Commander's Quarters decklist
Oboro is a pretty good card
Before I watched this video I took out arcane signant now I feel kinda smort.
both locus of rage and creation deal the damage themselves, so id recc a grafted exoskeleton.
I just played someone who recently built a budget Omnath deck and I learned why he got banned in Standard
He carries the deck on his extra arms
I really wish lands, aka the most boring cards in your deck, were more affordable. Always feels bad when having to decide between buying 5 interesting cards and a land that will improve the consistency ever so slightly.
The first thing that i have in mind: Rite of Replication and other copy your payoffs.
I ran rite for awhile. It’s overkill. And that is one of my fav cards. Your winning or your WINNING. It’s choice ;)
@@franknfoot7200 what about copy enchantment, mirrormade, clever impersonator and the all time favourite sparkdouble and sakashima?
@@okgut2033 oh yes. I’ve used Sakashima. And rite. It’s awesome. The list gets a lil convoluted at that point but boy oh boy it’s a good game (for you)
Just letting everyone know. In 2024 I made a 40 dollar version of this deck for a tournament that has increased by 5$ each week. I have won every week
As a long time landfall player I can tell you with a straight face Asusa is completely everything or nothing. If you don't have lands to play she does absolutely nothing. Mina and Denn is actually more impactful, because you can return a bounce land to your hand on a later turn while still allowing you to play more lands. Ghirapur Orrery also lets you run addional lands out but has extra utility. Being able to play 2 extra lands is very powerful but I feel that being able to run 1 extra land out and have extra utility is better. Courser of Kruphix is very impactful. Harrow is a basically a combat trick. Dual lands are good, but i recommend more basics, basic. Wave of Vitrol is an absolute bomb in landfall and From The Ashes is also a bomb. Also personal opinion Nissa Vastwood Seer is better than Vital Force in landfall, as she fetches out a forest when she comes in and she is basically better Courser of Kruphix when she flips. Also make sure you read through some ramp spells, some of those edge case ramp spells are actually better in landfall because the edge case cards either let you do something you wouldn't be able to do normally, or have a drawback tacked on to them that is actually free value in land fall. Lastly only play Storm Caldron if you are planning on winning that turn.
I disagree with the land count 35 or 37 is well good enough for a lands/landfall commander only landfall/lands commander I run 40 lands in is lord windgrace because he’s gets value at discarding lands and bringing them back and bouncing them to hand to discard them for more value only in that instance I need a higher mass of lands for Omnath any of them except mono green one you don’t need that much of lands
Aww, why do you keep doing theese for commanders that just droped? It feels like this series would be more suited for older commanders.
I think it's a real shame you don't have Nahiri's Lithoforming in there because if you have a crucible of worlds/equivalent that's a potential draw 6+ and 6+ landfall triggers.
...where's my Oloro, Palace in the Clouds at? It can, like, return itself
Lmao my Omnath deck only runs 30 lands but has more basics than these
when the “budget” is $300
I don't feel like aiming for infinites makes a deck argue that it's "casual" anymore. In fact, I'd go so far as to say that's the primary distinguishing factor between cEDH and regular EDH is intentional infinites.