not gonna lie - not a lot of people like the seat and I get why. but when I flew with them I was 1 of 5 people and if you look at the score most of it wasn't the best - but the service was very good - just as good as SQ so that tipped it the other way. would I fly with them again in that seat, probably not which is why I said I would like to try their new seat when it comes out.
after my experience, you would want to wait until the new seat comes out - was supposed to be out end of 2020 but that didnt happen - if you get a chance, do the new seats with LH service and you cant go wrong with it. knowing this I would want to try Eurowings longhaul as its the same seats but I want to know how the service changes
Helpful infos + editing quality put this flight report on another level! 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼 More videos please! Speaking of Lufthansa, I think they do well on short-haul flights within Europe... while on long-haul flights, I’d honestly choose other airlines over LH, especially between Europe and Asia. Don’t you agree? Looking forward to watching more videos! Ciao!
More to come! just need to get past Covid. when flying within Europe - you have Euro Business which is nothing special, you are paying for convivence with the service, not the seat - ie. Fast track, Lounge, Priority boarding etc. My view of being loyal for short-haul is that you are there to collect Miles or status (depending on the alliance you're with) not for the experience. for LH, you are competing with LX, EW, and Austrian - does it really matter who you are with for 2 hours? or you only flying them for status. but yes - totally agree, forlong haul in its current state, I would be on QR for OW, or KE for ST and even for Star Alliance I would much prefer SQ or TK - but cost is always a factor and you can't deny a 1400EUR flight from UK to HK RTN in C isnt good value (especially since Y was 1,000EUR).
Thanks! 😃 yeah LH needs work on their planes, would I fly LH again - probably not as well in their current state. But I with their new 1-2-1 seats (assuming they didn't make it as tight as the current one) should be quite good. they just need to fix the food and boom you have a good carrier to be flying with, although LX throne seats are hard to beat.
@@travellingonpoints It is gonna be a while beofre that happens and there are no plans to redo any aircraft that are already fitted with these old seats
Thanks for the sub!, trying to get some more done but getting around it so challenging these days - there are a couple on TK i want to do that i think would be a bit exciting
Amazing video!! You have great video editing skills. Your mic is nice! What software did you use for the intro? The diagram off the airport. Awesome video cant wait for the next one!
many thanks - I try my best. I used aftereffects to make the maps and you basically just add shapes ontop and the computer works out the perspective :). Will do, but you might have to wait until a few more months - my trip in J/F between LHR> HND > TPE > HKG > LHR got cancelled :(
@Jisue Kim Again sorry it took so long. However since I did the last update though they have messed with the program, so now to get a set layout and background you need to apply a thrid party subscription which for my channel now makes it unsustainable - i unfortunately need to find another mapping solution until I can work out what to do
hmm they do look similar - by the looks of things we use the same software plug-in in after effects to be made. In terms of colours - the basis of my maps is a modified version of the Blue Water map by Xavier on Snazzy maps (snazzymaps.com/style/25/blue-water) and the icon is just a plane icon from Google. But they do look similar I will say - probably get done for plagiarism now lol
I have traveled LH Business a couple of times. After my last trip on the A340 I swore not to fly LH business again. I must admit that I have always found the soft product (service and food and entertainment) excellent. It is obviously disappointing to hear that things were not up to par on your flight. The seat is worse than dated - they are a disaster. Somehow the seat had previously not worried me so much on the A380 - maybe that was because it was only a 6 hr flight as opposed to 13 hrs on the A340. You were lucky that there was a sign BUSINESS CLASS ONLY on the toilet door. As there are no toilets in the front of the aircraft, the only 2 toilets for Business are between Premium/Economy and Business. As there was no sign on the door on the aircraft meant there were queues from Business and the Economy section in for one and the same toilet opposite directions! The toilets are directly off the galley so every time someone left the toilet the odors wafted through the food galley. Absolutely awful. I also experienced constant static shocks the whole night. Sadly, the new seats are not going to be around soon. They will only be introduced with the 777X (probably not before 2023) and even worse: there are currently no plans to update any of the business seats on any other wide body aircraft. LH have gotten themselves into a tight fix and the future of their Business Class product is not looking good
the thing is - LH doesn't offer anything extremely compelling that makes you want to fly with them again. like they play it very safe. Hard product is nothing special and soft product is middle of the road - food is ok, amenity kit is ok, headphones are ok - the only good thing that sets it apart is the dream collection. but then you look at what QR, CX, EK or even Jet blue are doing and it goes further. like even with F, the food trolly is nice but Dine on Demand is where it's at. with the seat - I swear they bought it bulk, its on all their long haul and they are trying to shift it to Eurowings now. for the toilet, I mean there is nothing stopping Y from using the toilet - it was only fenced off by a little rope which isn't hard to cross. considering it is next to Y and you could slip in to use it without anyone seeing it. I am actually quite glad someone else had that experience with the static as I thought it was just me. to get LH J in a good state - sadly i think they should be looking at how LX does it - from what I can see they offer a better J product - if you discount the 150 ish euro to reserve a throne seat. But instead, they just dropped the price to make it super cheap. this isn't helped by the fact they devalued their miles system and went to a zone/continent based calculation method like BA after criticising how it worked.
@@travellingonpoints It is going to take a while before LH will be able to see what path they want to follow in the future. There have been reports that F&B will be charged on Euro Business. Still they will need to find features that will set them apart from EW. I am guessing that major decisions will only be made once they are up and flying again. I am pretty sure First will eventually disappear completely. The toilet issue is only on 340. Once they replace them that will change. The question is when will they finally do that. Those aircraft are completely paid off and they will probably fly them into the ground
@@Yves_Ka man I hope they don't charge for food in J - what would separate it from EW or any other euro-econ flight if they did. yeah totally agree -everything is changing for the airline - although for me I think F will still be around - I think they have thrown too much money at it and the carrier wants it as a status symbol more than anything else - I mean they have the F terminal at FRA and MUN. I thought they were going to keep the A340 and give them to EW for that long-haul project they had - EW discover or EW bizclass or something like that - they basically just repurposed the seats. My view is that they need to work out what their loyalty program is - it's way too complicated - like on EW you can collect Premium, Status, Select and HON Circle miles but its not part of Star Alliance so who knows. now UK is out of the EU I think their biggest competitor is fighting off AF/KLM and EK rather than IAG - AF first looks pretty good and EK is just eating market share with cheap flights since they have to fill the A380
that actually is a fair point that I kind of did gloss over - will take it on board moving forward :) . but for LH, the footwell space is just as big as what you would expect on other airlines with similar seats (due to the fact that the footwell is under the seat infront). if you want truly large leg space then BA, Korean Air, JAL and Gulf Air would be your best options as they don't have a footwell per se.
well I gave it quite a bit of thought when I decided to give its value. If we took extremes - at the top end you had the Collins Serenity seats (on Oman Air, JAL and Korean) as the best seat (IMO) and the worst being the United 777 2-4-2 business as the worst - then CX and LH has to be somewhere on the scale. since CX is a standard seat I gave it a 6 - a standard seat you would expect in business. has a lie flat but not as good as say the ANA room, Qsuite, Thompson Vantage Throne seat - but better than what EK and TK have on their older planes with the angled seat. LH got a six as a result of better build quality over the actual seat. to be fair its not a strong 6 - it is lie flat, strong table, premium materials, everything is close or easily accessible (you don't need to turn your body to get at seat controls etc). look at the CX or Virgin Atlantic seats which look nice but are already falling apart on a350's with bad stitching and lower quality materials. its a custom seat - so its a bit harder to judge - but if I hard to do it again I would choose the CX seat because of the 2-2-2
wow, 5:04 minutes before we see the aircraft... why????? Your title literally stated Review of A340-300... not the airport and such. The rest of the video was great! Still a nice-looking aircraft!
@@theworldisyours6073 what I was trying to infer was that Skytrax is not a good measure of determining a quality of an airline - both EasyJet and EK are both rated 4*'s even though service is drastically different between them. I wouldn't rate LH as 5*'s - but someone at Skytrax thought they were and LH couldn't believe their luck
didn't even notice that to be honest lol, thanks for raising it. basically it was the last slide I did, I story boarded the script to say that the quality was poor but didnt realise they had actually made improvements from the original image I found on Flyertalk. So everything had to be reworded for that section and was a bit rushed.
Comparing with Air China, the Lufthansa was 5 star, untill I flew with Air Swiss or Hainan airlines, then I realize what 5 stars airlines really mean. XD
I really wanted to do Swiss, I hear the throne seat is legit - what is Hainan like? is it closer to China Eastern or Shenzhen Airlines? - the best airline I know that does business well is SQ
@@travellingonpoints I flew from Bangkok to Zurich with Air Swiss’s 777-300. The crew was very friendly and professional. I met a flight attendant who could speak French, German, English and Thai. The food supply had almost never been stopped. In addition to ordinary meals, I had got also ice cream, and chocolate cakes. Before leaving the plane, there were even candy or chocolate gifts. That was my most comfortable flight and I was in economy class. The flight attendants of Hainan Airlines were very very friendly, they would even squat down to communicate with you eyes to eyes in the same level. Of course the food was great. What I flew with was from Beijing to Berlin, operated with A330-300.
I cant wait to fly LX, my CX flight which got rebooked so many time due to HK entry requirements was like a roller-coaster - i was on LH, then LX, back to LH, then EK, then finally CX. I really wanted to try the LX throne seats and when I got rebooked I actually told them the only reason i was flying them was because of that seat lol. I had a similar experience with OZ where the flight crew would squat down so they are eye level with you. I am actually surprised they give you chocolate in Y, usually they give that massive bar in F
I thought the same but it think it has to do with the bailout - they have to repay the German Gov. back quick so they are going to undercut everyone to make back the money - but they didn't deploy the new seats yet so everyone is getting the old experience first
I know - even though I went early funny thing was I was even late to the gate and no one was there as they all boarded - HKG didn't change the screens as it still said wait to board when everyone was on the plane
Very well detailed and honest review......Impressive!! You've just got yourself a new subscriber. Now am looking forward to more great reviews!
Awesome, thank you! hopefully as the channel grows ill be able to get a better camera and mic combo lol, thanks for the vote of support anyhow :)
Outstanding video! The editing is on point! Well done!
Much appreciated! glad you liked - any feedback is always welcome
Sick video quality, keep up the good work and enjoy your travels
Appreciate it! hope you like the future videos that come out
Excellent video and I loved the humour in your narration. Gave me a good chuckle!
Glad to hear it!, still bits and bobs i need to work on - but hopefully once i start growing the channel the video and audio quality will go up
damn dude, this is really well made. Good Job :)
many thanks - glad you liked it, took ages to make but was well worth the effort
Amazingly well made video! Really enjoyed it. You will have 200k subs soon.
Hope so! glad you enjoyed it - look forward to making more once covid ends - any recommendations on airlines?
Five star review of a two star business class.
not gonna lie - not a lot of people like the seat and I get why. but when I flew with them I was 1 of 5 people and if you look at the score most of it wasn't the best - but the service was very good - just as good as SQ so that tipped it the other way. would I fly with them again in that seat, probably not which is why I said I would like to try their new seat when it comes out.
Great video, enjoyed it a lot. After watching it, probably I will try their Business class for my next trip. And I love Spezi too.
after my experience, you would want to wait until the new seat comes out - was supposed to be out end of 2020 but that didnt happen - if you get a chance, do the new seats with LH service and you cant go wrong with it.
knowing this I would want to try Eurowings longhaul as its the same seats but I want to know how the service changes
Great video again! Keep going
Thanks again! means a lot
Helpful infos + editing quality put this flight report on another level! 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼 More videos please!
Speaking of Lufthansa, I think they do well on short-haul flights within Europe... while on long-haul flights, I’d honestly choose other airlines over LH, especially between Europe and Asia. Don’t you agree?
Looking forward to watching more videos! Ciao!
More to come! just need to get past Covid.
when flying within Europe - you have Euro Business which is nothing special, you are paying for convivence with the service, not the seat - ie. Fast track, Lounge, Priority boarding etc. My view of being loyal for short-haul is that you are there to collect Miles or status (depending on the alliance you're with) not for the experience. for LH, you are competing with LX, EW, and Austrian - does it really matter who you are with for 2 hours? or you only flying them for status.
but yes - totally agree, forlong haul in its current state, I would be on QR for OW, or KE for ST and even for Star Alliance I would much prefer SQ or TK - but cost is always a factor and you can't deny a 1400EUR flight from UK to HK RTN in C isnt good value (especially since Y was 1,000EUR).
Really comprehensive and very interesting to watch. I wouldn’t say no to trying Lufthansa! 👍
Thanks! 😃 yeah LH needs work on their planes, would I fly LH again - probably not as well in their current state.
But I with their new 1-2-1 seats (assuming they didn't make it as tight as the current one) should be quite good. they just need to fix the food and boom you have a good carrier to be flying with, although LX throne seats are hard to beat.
@@travellingonpoints It is gonna be a while beofre that happens and there are no plans to redo any aircraft that are already fitted with these old seats
Good Vid buddy, very honest. Liked & subscribed.
Thanks for the sub!, trying to get some more done but getting around it so challenging these days - there are a couple on TK i want to do that i think would be a bit exciting
Great review keep it up!!
Thanks, will do!
Any feedback is always welcome
Nice video, makes me want to fly again
You should!, cant wait until covid is out of the way so I can make videos again
Amazing video!! You have great video editing skills. Your mic is nice! What software did you use for the intro? The diagram off the airport. Awesome video cant wait for the next one!
many thanks - I try my best. I used aftereffects to make the maps and you basically just add shapes ontop and the computer works out the perspective :). Will do, but you might have to wait until a few more months - my trip in J/F between LHR> HND > TPE > HKG > LHR got cancelled :(
thanks for the video, very informative, new sub here
Many thanks - apologise it has taken some time to get back to you, do let me know if there is anything that I can improve on :)
Hello, I love your video! May I ask you which video editior you used to make the white and blue map in the intro?
Heya, sorry for the late reply, its a piece of software called Geolayers3 :) hope it helps
@@travellingonpoints thank you! The waiting was worth it lol
@Jisue Kim Again sorry it took so long. However since I did the last update though they have messed with the program, so now to get a set layout and background you need to apply a thrid party subscription which for my channel now makes it unsustainable - i unfortunately need to find another mapping solution until I can work out what to do
What programme do you use for the map at 0:17 ??
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many thanks, any tips or ideas please let me know - always looking to improve
Are you using Vicarious Voyager’s graphics? The maps look identical to his.
hmm they do look similar - by the looks of things we use the same software plug-in in after effects to be made. In terms of colours - the basis of my maps is a modified version of the Blue Water map by Xavier on Snazzy maps (snazzymaps.com/style/25/blue-water) and the icon is just a plane icon from Google. But they do look similar I will say - probably get done for plagiarism now lol
Nah, don’t worry about it. There’s only so many ways that a plane review can be done before they all start looking alike. You did a good job!
I have traveled LH Business a couple of times. After my last trip on the A340 I swore not to fly LH business again. I must admit that I have always found the soft product (service and food and entertainment) excellent. It is obviously disappointing to hear that things were not up to par on your flight.
The seat is worse than dated - they are a disaster. Somehow the seat had previously not worried me so much on the A380 - maybe that was because it was only a 6 hr flight as opposed to 13 hrs on the A340. You were lucky that there was a sign BUSINESS CLASS ONLY on the toilet door. As there are no toilets in the front of the aircraft, the only 2 toilets for Business are between Premium/Economy and Business. As there was no sign on the door on the aircraft meant there were queues from Business and the Economy section in for one and the same toilet opposite directions! The toilets are directly off the galley so every time someone left the toilet the odors wafted through the food galley. Absolutely awful. I also experienced constant static shocks the whole night.
Sadly, the new seats are not going to be around soon. They will only be introduced with the 777X (probably not before 2023) and even worse: there are currently no plans to update any of the business seats on any other wide body aircraft. LH have gotten themselves into a tight fix and the future of their Business Class product is not looking good
the thing is - LH doesn't offer anything extremely compelling that makes you want to fly with them again. like they play it very safe. Hard product is nothing special and soft product is middle of the road - food is ok, amenity kit is ok, headphones are ok - the only good thing that sets it apart is the dream collection. but then you look at what QR, CX, EK or even Jet blue are doing and it goes further. like even with F, the food trolly is nice but Dine on Demand is where it's at.
with the seat - I swear they bought it bulk, its on all their long haul and they are trying to shift it to Eurowings now. for the toilet, I mean there is nothing stopping Y from using the toilet - it was only fenced off by a little rope which isn't hard to cross. considering it is next to Y and you could slip in to use it without anyone seeing it. I am actually quite glad someone else had that experience with the static as I thought it was just me.
to get LH J in a good state - sadly i think they should be looking at how LX does it - from what I can see they offer a better J product - if you discount the 150 ish euro to reserve a throne seat. But instead, they just dropped the price to make it super cheap.
this isn't helped by the fact they devalued their miles system and went to a zone/continent based calculation method like BA after criticising how it worked.
@@travellingonpoints It is going to take a while before LH will be able to see what path they want to follow in the future. There have been reports that F&B will be charged on Euro Business. Still they will need to find features that will set them apart from EW. I am guessing that major decisions will only be made once they are up and flying again. I am pretty sure First will eventually disappear completely.
The toilet issue is only on 340. Once they replace them that will change. The question is when will they finally do that. Those aircraft are completely paid off and they will probably fly them into the ground
@@Yves_Ka man I hope they don't charge for food in J - what would separate it from EW or any other euro-econ flight if they did.
yeah totally agree -everything is changing for the airline - although for me I think F will still be around - I think they have thrown too much money at it and the carrier wants it as a status symbol more than anything else - I mean they have the F terminal at FRA and MUN. I thought they were going to keep the A340 and give them to EW for that long-haul project they had - EW discover or EW bizclass or something like that - they basically just repurposed the seats.
My view is that they need to work out what their loyalty program is - it's way too complicated - like on EW you can collect Premium, Status, Select and HON Circle miles but its not part of Star Alliance so who knows.
now UK is out of the EU I think their biggest competitor is fighting off AF/KLM and EK rather than IAG - AF first looks pretty good and EK is just eating market share with cheap flights since they have to fill the A380
For me, the most important part of a review is, how much footwell space is there? no mention that i could find in this review.
that actually is a fair point that I kind of did gloss over - will take it on board moving forward :) . but for LH, the footwell space is just as big as what you would expect on other airlines with similar seats (due to the fact that the footwell is under the seat infront). if you want truly large leg space then BA, Korean Air, JAL and Gulf Air would be your best options as they don't have a footwell per se.
Equal score for 2-2-2 seating and a 1-2-1 reverse herringbone? Not sure why lol
well I gave it quite a bit of thought when I decided to give its value. If we took extremes - at the top end you had the Collins Serenity seats (on Oman Air, JAL and Korean) as the best seat (IMO) and the worst being the United 777 2-4-2 business as the worst - then CX and LH has to be somewhere on the scale. since CX is a standard seat I gave it a 6 - a standard seat you would expect in business. has a lie flat but not as good as say the ANA room, Qsuite, Thompson Vantage Throne seat - but better than what EK and TK have on their older planes with the angled seat.
LH got a six as a result of better build quality over the actual seat. to be fair its not a strong 6 - it is lie flat, strong table, premium materials, everything is close or easily accessible (you don't need to turn your body to get at seat controls etc). look at the CX or Virgin Atlantic seats which look nice but are already falling apart on a350's with bad stitching and lower quality materials.
its a custom seat - so its a bit harder to judge - but if I hard to do it again I would choose the CX seat because of the 2-2-2
Nice! Thank you for sharing your experience. James Asquith also creates a Vlog about the Lufthansa. I think you can check his YT channel.
Thanks for the support! I had a quick look at his videos but the style is different
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how can you possibly decline a cheese board?
it was a hard choice - but was either the cheese board or me not fitting in my seat lol
@@travellingonpoints Dude, sometimes you've got to "bite the bullet" for your viewers.
ha will defo do for the next videos - if i do make it on Swiss again i will be eating everything that is chocolate based lol
wow, 5:04 minutes before we see the aircraft... why????? Your title literally stated Review of A340-300... not the airport and such. The rest of the video was great! Still a nice-looking aircraft!
7:33 THAT ARMREST LOOKS NASTY OH MY GOD, when's the last time Lufthansa refreshed their business class cabins
6:30 they rotate.
thanks - I didn't know that - when I played around with it only the front row rotated not the seats behind
but good to know :)
Why are they a 5⭐️ airline on skytrax? they’re overrated.
They should be 4 ⭐️
Who knows lol - technically Easyjet is a 4* airline so in that context a lot of airlines should be 5*
@@travellingonpoints Yeah but Easy jet are for short haul flights not for flights that are like 15 hours.
@@theworldisyours6073 what I was trying to infer was that Skytrax is not a good measure of determining a quality of an airline - both EasyJet and EK are both rated 4*'s even though service is drastically different between them.
I wouldn't rate LH as 5*'s - but someone at Skytrax thought they were and LH couldn't believe their luck
@@travellingonpoints Yeah now know for sure not to check skytrax if I want to find out about an airline’s quality.
They’re full of sh*t.
11:19 I see math is not our strong point...
didn't even notice that to be honest lol, thanks for raising it. basically it was the last slide I did, I story boarded the script to say that the quality was poor but didnt realise they had actually made improvements from the original image I found on Flyertalk. So everything had to be reworded for that section and was a bit rushed.
@@travellingonpoints mistakes in early videos, makes for better content down the line! Wishing you all the best!
@Odoq many thanks - so many flight cancellations means i have more time to refine the content i am going to make
Comparing with Air China, the Lufthansa was 5 star, untill I flew with Air Swiss or Hainan airlines, then I realize what 5 stars airlines really mean. XD
I really wanted to do Swiss, I hear the throne seat is legit - what is Hainan like? is it closer to China Eastern or Shenzhen Airlines? - the best airline I know that does business well is SQ
@@travellingonpoints I flew from Bangkok to Zurich with Air Swiss’s 777-300. The crew was very friendly and professional. I met a flight attendant who could speak French, German, English and Thai. The food supply had almost never been stopped. In addition to ordinary meals, I had got also ice cream, and chocolate cakes. Before leaving the plane, there were even candy or chocolate gifts. That was my most comfortable flight and I was in economy class.
The flight attendants of Hainan Airlines were very very friendly, they would even squat down to communicate with you eyes to eyes in the same level. Of course the food was great. What I flew with was from Beijing to Berlin, operated with A330-300.
I cant wait to fly LX, my CX flight which got rebooked so many time due to HK entry requirements was like a roller-coaster - i was on LH, then LX, back to LH, then EK, then finally CX. I really wanted to try the LX throne seats and when I got rebooked I actually told them the only reason i was flying them was because of that seat lol. I had a similar experience with OZ where the flight crew would squat down so they are eye level with you.
I am actually surprised they give you chocolate in Y, usually they give that massive bar in F
Ugh no wonder Lufthansa is the cheapest business class when everyone is at $10k, they are $4200
I thought the same but it think it has to do with the bailout - they have to repay the German Gov. back quick so they are going to undercut everyone to make back the money - but they didn't deploy the new seats yet so everyone is getting the old experience first
Such a drama when boarding
I know - even though I went early funny thing was I was even late to the gate and no one was there as they all boarded - HKG didn't change the screens as it still said wait to board when everyone was on the plane
Ungrateful
How so?
2-2-2 configuration in business class, utterly pathetic!