Finding the roots of a 4th degree polynomial. Reddit precalculus r/HomeworkHelp

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  • Learn how to find all the real and complex solutions to this quartic (i.e. 4th degree) polynomial equation 2z^4-3z^3+2z^2=6z+4. We will first have to use the rational zero theorem to find an easy solution, and then we will have to use either polynomial long division or synthetic division to factor the polynomial. This is not an easy equation especially if you are learning this for the first time, usually in a precalculus class or an algebra 2 class. This problem is from Reddit r/Homeworkhelp.
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Komentáře • 199

  • @bprpmathbasics
    @bprpmathbasics  Před 4 měsíci +62

    For some reason, the audio is out synced from 2:43 to 3:43 but the rest is okay. Please let me know if that’s the case. Thanks.

    • @jannegrey593
      @jannegrey593 Před 4 měsíci +8

      It is the case. Rest is okay thankfully. Isn't "z" a bit of information that there will be complex roots BTW?

    • @bprpmathbasics
      @bprpmathbasics  Před 4 měsíci +10

      Thank you. And yes, z is usually for complex roots : )@@jannegrey593

    • @hongkonger885
      @hongkonger885 Před 4 měsíci +6

      I didn't even notice it until I read your comment 😂

    • @ZipplyZane
      @ZipplyZane Před 4 měsíci +1

      I had thought there was a problem with my Bluetooth. But then, yes, it fixed itself.

    • @timothymanukian7868
      @timothymanukian7868 Před 4 měsíci

      Was probably from the timelapse and the audio didn't get sped up at the same rate or something, fixing itself at the next cut

  • @johnathanpatrick6118
    @johnathanpatrick6118 Před 4 měsíci +140

    bprp, I can't help but laugh every time you say x but the problem contains z. We're so used to finding x. 😂😂

    • @Insightfill
      @Insightfill Před 4 měsíci +14

      LOL, yes. Maybe the first step should have been a substitution!

    • @pauselab5569
      @pauselab5569 Před 4 měsíci

      That’s because we are using the complex domain

  • @tarmac414
    @tarmac414 Před 4 měsíci +398

    I am never paying taxes

  • @apoorvsahu6935
    @apoorvsahu6935 Před 4 měsíci +97

    I just found you randomly and your videos are now increasing my math knowledge day by day
    Thanks

  • @Gamert80
    @Gamert80 Před 4 měsíci +58

    Congrats on 100k, huge milestone! Love the math vids!

  • @xxxuselesspricksxxx1481
    @xxxuselesspricksxxx1481 Před 4 měsíci +16

    We studied synthetic division in university tho we called Horner's method, and mostly that was the only method taught to us to solve polynomials. Well, we also learned about the Bézout lemma and long division, but we almost never used them, they were just stepping stones for learning Horner's method. It can be tedious to use it, and I'm certain there are cases where it doesn't work, but if you limit the possible roots with rational zeroes and just iterate over and over again you'll eventually find the roots

    • @methatis3013
      @methatis3013 Před 4 měsíci

      Well there's really no way that Horner's algorithm "can't" work. It will always output the value of the polynomial in a point you give it

    • @xxxuselesspricksxxx1481
      @xxxuselesspricksxxx1481 Před 4 měsíci +1

      @@methatis3013 our teacher gave us polynomials that were unsolveable by horner's method tho
      I tried multiple times to solve them but I wasn't able to

    • @ilburrito0059
      @ilburrito0059 Před měsícem

      In Italy we use Ruffini's method

  • @andydaniels6363
    @andydaniels6363 Před 4 měsíci +10

    If you didn’t happen to spot the simple factorization of the cubic, you could continue trying out candidates generated by the rational root theorem. Decartes’ rule of signs tells us that we can stop looking for positive roots, but there is still a negative root to be found. -4 is no longer a possibility and -1 is easily eliminated, so that still leaves -2 and -1/2 to check. The remaining two roots must be complex.

    • @Minecraft2331
      @Minecraft2331 Před 4 měsíci

      -2 is also easily eliminated as any real number less than -1 is clearly not going to work based on the coefficients m

  • @GhostLmaoxD
    @GhostLmaoxD Před 4 měsíci +4

    I love your videos! They are so informative and fun to watch!

  • @bprpmathbasics
    @bprpmathbasics  Před 4 měsíci +16

    Solve x^3-2x+1=0
    Answer here
    czcams.com/video/mZFrPKirbak/video.html

    • @Gamert80
      @Gamert80 Před 4 měsíci

      This dude is awesome

    • @bjornfeuerbacher5514
      @bjornfeuerbacher5514 Před 4 měsíci

      x1 = 1; x2 = -phi; x3 = 1/phi

    • @_bittu_
      @_bittu_ Před 4 měsíci +1

      That's an easy one. if Sum of coefficients=0 then 1 is one of the roots after that we can do synthetic division and then factorisation or grouping will give other roots.

    • @Killer_Queen_310
      @Killer_Queen_310 Před 4 měsíci +1

      I have question, which is more correct to say -
      (i) Adding a number both sides or
      (ii) Bring a number to the other side?

    • @bjornfeuerbacher5514
      @bjornfeuerbacher5514 Před 4 měsíci

      @@Killer_Queen_310 Both are correct, depends a bit on the context.

  • @lawrencejelsma8118
    @lawrencejelsma8118 Před 4 měsíci +6

    Synthetic division and noticing the third degree polynomial factoring out (to be quicker than testing all Synthetic division possible oermutations) were two important things to learn in the quartic polynomial root finding or "factors" of the quartic polynomial. Finding all the roots would have not found the 2x + 1 factor but instead found the x + 1/2 factor instead by normalizing the first coefficient of the resulting cubic polynomial taking x - 2 out. The factored out 2 in x + 1/2 factor would then be divided out into 0 on the right and the remaining x^2 + 2 would have remained the same forming: (x - 2)(x + 1/2)(x^2 + 2) factored result only matching your answer if 2 was brought back into the middle factor 2(x + 1/2) or 2x + 1 👍

  • @aadishaktiprasadaadishakti2927
    @aadishaktiprasadaadishakti2927 Před 4 měsíci +7

    Congrats for 100k :D

  • @benyseus6325
    @benyseus6325 Před 4 měsíci +4

    Sounds like a job for the quartic formula. You can even preprogram it in your TI84.

  • @PeanutButter-gn6lg
    @PeanutButter-gn6lg Před 4 měsíci +40

    You know what they say: Maths is only fun if you know how to math. Pretty sure this applies to everyone here.

  • @joe6245
    @joe6245 Před 4 měsíci

    Congratulations for 100K❤!!

  • @Telogor
    @Telogor Před 3 měsíci

    This is a great refresher on synthetic division. I had completely forgotten how it works.

  • @user-ej8ts1cc5b
    @user-ej8ts1cc5b Před 4 měsíci +1

    It was relatively easy to get real roots by subtracting 8 in both sides and moving -3z^3 and 2z^2 to the other side and factoring by grouping

  • @tharagleb
    @tharagleb Před 4 měsíci +41

    Polynomial long division is simple, I don't know why everyone avoids it.

    • @wiktorkw881
      @wiktorkw881 Před 4 měsíci +5

      This is really written out version of Horner's method. I think everyone avoids the other one because it's simpler and usually faster than long division

    • @user-lh8iy8ew5u
      @user-lh8iy8ew5u Před 4 měsíci +11

      ​@@bill_the_butcherNah, it really is very simple. It literally is doing multiplications and then additions or subtractions. The problem is that most people that find it hard either have crappy teachers that don't know how to explain it in simple terms or they don't have the desire to learn it in the first place.

    • @ZipplyZane
      @ZipplyZane Před 4 měsíci +2

      Sure, long division works, but you're ultimately doing the same thing while having to write a lot more.

    • @methatis3013
      @methatis3013 Před 4 měsíci +1

      It is simple, but it takes a lot of time. People don't avoid it because they don't know how to do it, they avoid it because they don't want to do it, there are better ways

    • @Erlewyn
      @Erlewyn Před 4 měsíci

      Because it's writing a lot of things fo rno good reason? Even his box thing is overkill for me, you can just factorize on the fly, it's way faster (but I've never seen an American do it, it's probably not taught that way over there).

  • @tajr.2650
    @tajr.2650 Před 4 měsíci

    I didn’t remember how to do this at all which is completely annoying. Usually it comes back to me. I’ve been really enjoying your videos. Now I need more practice on this. 🤓

  • @Peter_1986
    @Peter_1986 Před 4 měsíci +1

    I sometimes try to use "short division", where I split the original expression into several terms, and then rewrite the terms in ways so that they allow me to factor out a common factor from them.

    • @microscopicallysmall
      @microscopicallysmall Před 3 měsíci

      people should call this “peter’s method” if you discovered it first

  • @gerryiles3925
    @gerryiles3925 Před 4 měsíci +3

    After the little fast forward when checking z=2 is a root at 2:40, the sound becomes desynced... ahh, it's fixed after the cut at 3:43, nice...

  • @theriaa4580
    @theriaa4580 Před 4 měsíci

    Congratulations on 100k Subs

  • @Qermaq
    @Qermaq Před 4 měsíci

    5:00 or so - I like to do this instead. Since (z-2) is a factor, I want all the stuff in the expression to look like multiples. So 2z^4 has to be followed by - 4z^3. But we don't have - 4z^3, we just have - 3z^3. So I add in z^3, and this has to be followed by - 2z^2. I need to add back 4z^2, which must be followed by - 8 z. I add back in 2z, which must be followed by the - 4 we have. So now it's simple to factor into (z-2)(2z^3+z^2+4z+2) = 0. Then when I find - 1/2 is another root, I do the same thing with (2z+1). In this case, the expression is already in the form I want, so we now have (z-2)(2z+1)(z^2+2) = 0. And the quadratic is a piece of cake, +/- root2*i.

  • @Mathslover666
    @Mathslover666 Před 4 měsíci +2

    You can also divide it by z ^2.

  • @ayaanamin3339
    @ayaanamin3339 Před 4 měsíci +1

    congrats on 100k

  • @stuchly1
    @stuchly1 Před 4 měsíci +2

    This completely fried my brain circuits 😮

  • @adityanarayanpandey
    @adityanarayanpandey Před 4 měsíci

    Thanks my synthetic devision concept was unclear you helped me out

  • @prakhyatpandey5341
    @prakhyatpandey5341 Před 3 měsíci +1

    You can also divide the entire equation by z^2, make a quadratic in z-(2/z), and then solve this quadratic. These biquadratic quartic polynomials are a common occurrence in the JEE, it was interesting to see this at a 10th grade level...

  • @m.h.6470
    @m.h.6470 Před 4 měsíci +9

    You can also find the -1/2 by elimination: Since all parts of the cubic term are positiv (no minus), z *has* to be negativ. If you try out -1, the result is -3, so -1 is to big. Therefore only -1/2 remains of the possible roots from the beginning.

    • @daales.
      @daales. Před 4 měsíci

      or u just use ur brain and don’t waste ur time

    • @SaiPrasannaS
      @SaiPrasannaS Před 4 měsíci

      the first part is right . but the second part where u say you tried -1 and the answer is -3 so -1 is big is wrong . If the coefficient of z^2 is greater the result will lesser

    • @m.h.6470
      @m.h.6470 Před 4 měsíci

      @@SaiPrasannaS yes, that is why it is too big (as in the absolute value is too big): -3 is already negative, so if x < -1, the result gets even more negative...

  • @mimzim7141
    @mimzim7141 Před 4 měsíci +21

    What is this synthetic division magic 😮. Never had seen that before.

    • @methatis3013
      @methatis3013 Před 4 měsíci +1

      It's usually called Horner's algorithm. It can be used to calculate a value of a polynomial in any point

  • @Assassinboy3000
    @Assassinboy3000 Před 4 měsíci

    could you do a video explaining how synthetic division works

  • @Unknowndang
    @Unknowndang Před 4 měsíci

    best method is to take z common then get 2 zeroes from quadratic and multiply tht common z with tht , u will get 4
    i tried tho

  • @Christian_Martel
    @Christian_Martel Před 4 měsíci

    Would you please do a video about principal roots? For example:
    What is the square root of 9?
    I know that the principal root is the positive one, 3.
    But, what is the cubic root of -8?
    I’m not sure, but I think the principal root is -2, because this is the largest (and only) real root.
    I think that would be a nice subject for a video. 😉

  • @tinnguyen2031
    @tinnguyen2031 Před 4 měsíci +1

    poly long division between this polynomial and z-2. factor the quotient.

  • @Insightfill
    @Insightfill Před 4 měsíci

    My brain jumped a little when the blue "pen" came out. "Whoa!"

  • @braziliantsar
    @braziliantsar Před 4 měsíci +1

    Polynomial equations always start scary as hell, but are pretty easy to resolve. Just a bit tiring.

    • @braziliantsar
      @braziliantsar Před 4 měsíci +1

      My personal favorite way of resolving them is by dividing the equations. Takes a bit longer than the process in the video, but feels much more intuitive for me.

  • @HydraulicsMe
    @HydraulicsMe Před 4 měsíci +3

    grouping
    (2z² - 5z + 2) could have kept going into (2z-1)(z-2)
    2z⁴ - 3z³ + 2z² = 6z + 4
    (z²)(2z² - 3z + 2) = 6z + 4
    that's as far as i can see... without trying to look at your spoiler.

  • @phl9469
    @phl9469 Před 4 měsíci

    i didn't think it would be that easy

  • @lollol-wu2dv
    @lollol-wu2dv Před 24 dny

    Im curious, is it possible to find all the roots using binomial theorem?

  • @JubeiKibagamiFez
    @JubeiKibagamiFez Před 4 měsíci +5

    Ohhh.... Congratulations on 100K subs!

  • @ChadTanker
    @ChadTanker Před 4 měsíci +1

    Quartic Formular go brrr

  • @pauselab5569
    @pauselab5569 Před 4 měsíci

    My method is 1. Assume your teacher is nice like he won’t give you the 17th root of unity + sqrt5i as a root. Then try to factor out using newton raphsom approximation because it saves a ton of time. Hope you can somehow find the complex numbers. They always come in pair and their algebraic conjugate is their complex conjugate.

  • @martinlisitsata
    @martinlisitsata Před 4 měsíci

    Ahh algebra , my mortal enamy in school. I like to think that if somebody bothered explaining to me that the process rather than the nombers and simbols were important i won't hate it as much today.

  • @jensraab2902
    @jensraab2902 Před 4 měsíci +7

    I wish I'd have mastered the move we see at 2:41 - that would have saved me a lot of time in school!

    • @rennepenne
      @rennepenne Před 4 měsíci

      Sad that teachers don't teach the basics. That was the first thing we learned when we started talking about roots

    • @loveblue7
      @loveblue7 Před 4 měsíci +1

      ​@@rennepenneYou mean, they used to teach us that "ultra fast writing technique" move as the basic?

    • @dddaaa6965
      @dddaaa6965 Před 4 měsíci

      @@loveblue7 and then they ask if anyone has any questions and if you do the teacher let’s out a big sigh and gets angry so eventually everyone is too scared to ask anything.

    • @rennepenne
      @rennepenne Před 4 měsíci

      @@loveblue7 Oh wtf. never thought about that the comment was about the fast forward. I was probably a bit high

  • @sathalel4084
    @sathalel4084 Před 4 měsíci

    it's always weird seeing people use i for root negative 1 since I'm used to j from my EE courses

  • @thecurator2045
    @thecurator2045 Před 4 měsíci +2

    Idk use the quartic equation

  • @ToxicTechmaker
    @ToxicTechmaker Před 4 měsíci

    I remember this in school
    Just completely skipped it got 0 and continued my life passed my year

  • @wildfire_
    @wildfire_ Před 4 měsíci

    Ah yes, solving 4th degree polynomials, the most widely applicable method in daily life

  • @user-kd4tn1kl3c
    @user-kd4tn1kl3c Před 4 měsíci

    Can we solve without the given root (z-2)

  • @boombot089
    @boombot089 Před 4 měsíci

    you know its serious when he uses a blue pen

  • @professorhaystacks6606
    @professorhaystacks6606 Před 4 měsíci

    Huh, that was not how I was taught to do polynomial devision, but I suppose it works.

  • @OrenLikes
    @OrenLikes Před 4 měsíci

    I point out some slips and skips, but: you are an extremely smart and knowledgeable man! Some of your videos that CZcams suggests - I'm scared to open so not to feel dumb... (limits, exponents with e, logs, trig...)

  • @K2MusicKSquare
    @K2MusicKSquare Před 4 měsíci +1

    But what should we do if we don't know 2 is a root?

    • @carultch
      @carultch Před 4 měsíci +4

      The rational roots theorem.
      Given any polynomial in the form:
      a*x^n + b*x^(n - 1) + other terms + k = 0
      The possible rational roots will all fit the form of:
      factors of k / factors of a
      Including both negatives and positives
      The roots will add to -b/a, and will multiply to +k/a for even n, or -k/a for odd n.
      Descartes's rule of signs, can also help you predict whether the roots are positive or negative. If you have uniform positive signs on all coefficients, there are no positive roots. If you have sign swaps, the number of sign swaps you have tells you the number of positive roots, or less by an even number (because the other "positive" roots are a pair of complex conjugates with positive real parts). This assumes all real coefficients.
      This allows you to take educated guesses for the roots, which narrows down your search.
      There is a cubic and a quartic formula, but they are complicated and seldom taught outside a math degree. For quintics and beyond, Galois (pronounced GAL-wah) proved there can be no such formula, just using elementary functions.

    • @JayTemple
      @JayTemple Před 4 měsíci +1

      @@carultch And Descartes's Rule of Signs helps narrow down the candidates.

  • @ShittingStar07
    @ShittingStar07 Před 3 měsíci

    After doing the first step, I split 2z^4 into z^4 and z^4. Then we have terms z^4 - 3z^3 + 2z^2 - 6z + z^4 - 4. Which, after taking common, becomes, z^3(z - 3) + 2z(z - 3) + (z+2)(z-2). Which ultimately becomes, (z^3 + 2z)(z - 3) + (z+2)(z - 2) = 0. Since both the terms are positive, both of them have to be equal to zero. We get 4 zeroes;
    root of -2
    3
    2 and -2.
    But after checking, I found that 3 and -2 do not satisfy the equation so I finally got
    root of -2 and 2 as roots. But I didn't get -1/2 as one. Can anyone please check why.

  • @user-smashfeet07
    @user-smashfeet07 Před 4 měsíci +1

    I did something different.
    I divided the expression with (z-2), I got a three degree equation. Every odd degree function has range of all real numbers. That means, function will have atleast one more root ( expression is defined for every real number). I put z=0 in the three degree quotient, I got 2, then I put z=-1, I got -3. That means one root lies between z=0 and z=-1. So I thought let's hunt down the root by narrowing the possible range of root. I put z=-1/2. Luckily that was the root .Again I divided my degree expression with z+1/2. I got a two degree equation. And after factorising it. I got z=√2 and z=-√2 . This solved??

  • @Spicychicken_
    @Spicychicken_ Před 4 měsíci +2

    Thank for the video 👑👑

    • @samarjitdas6378
      @samarjitdas6378 Před 4 měsíci +2

      How are you 6 days ahead?

    • @fahimuddin4401
      @fahimuddin4401 Před 4 měsíci

      @@samarjitdas6378 maybe a patreon

    • @Kotakarter.
      @Kotakarter. Před 4 měsíci +1

      Nice

    • @Spicychicken_
      @Spicychicken_ Před 4 měsíci +1

      @@samarjitdas6378 im the one who posted the original question so he sent me the video early lmfao

    • @samarjitdas6378
      @samarjitdas6378 Před 4 měsíci +1

      @@Spicychicken_ Oow Now I get it
      Thanks man
      But what about the other guy who was 6 days ahead also? Do you know him?

  • @OrenLikes
    @OrenLikes Před 4 měsíci +1

    6:34 you said "z minus 2 is the root". you meant "z minus 2 is a factor" or "z equals 2 is a root". I think...

  • @awesometronic
    @awesometronic Před 4 měsíci

    I was never taught the rational root theorem in school, even with my applied math minor, granted that was a couple decades ago. Are people being taught this in high school now?

    • @Erlewyn
      @Erlewyn Před 4 měsíci

      Same, that's news to me. All we did back then was "just try small easy numbers : 1, -1, 2…"

  • @zachansen8293
    @zachansen8293 Před 4 měsíci

    Just change the z to an x. It doesn't matter. If you must, change it back at the end.

  • @broytingaravsol
    @broytingaravsol Před 4 měsíci

    i made something complicated for the procedure but the results

  • @IroVinh
    @IroVinh Před 4 měsíci

    Im in grade 10th
    But Ive done this since i was in grade 9th. Things are getting harder and harder now

  • @tosendeelemente8948
    @tosendeelemente8948 Před 4 měsíci

    Idk if 10th grade has complex numbers I don't think so tbh so it would just be 2 awnsers not 4

  • @mrosskne
    @mrosskne Před 4 měsíci +1

    what's the difference between a root and a factor?

    • @matthewthompson6455
      @matthewthompson6455 Před 4 měsíci +5

      In this example a factor would be (z - 2) , and the corresponding root is z = 2 .
      For a given polynomial,
      A factor is a term that can be divided out , so that you can rewrite the polynomial as the product of two terms: the factor (which is itself technically a polynomial) and a new, smaller polynomial. So you go from
      ( Big polynomial ) = 0 , to
      (Factor)(smaller poly) = 0.
      A root is a value where if you plug it into the polynomial, the entire polynomial equals 0. If you have the function f(z) = (polynomial), then a root is a value where if you plug it in for z you get f(root) = 0.
      Roots and factors are directly related, because if you have a value of z such that a factor = 0, then it will cause the entire polynomial to go to 0. For example when you plug z=2 into the factor (z - 2) , then that factor becomes (0). So if the equation f(z) = (polynomial) can be factored into f(z) = (z - 2)(smaller polynomial), then when you plug z=2 into f(z), the entire equation will go to zero.
      Factoring is just a regrouping of the terms of a large polynomial into smaller terms which are multiplied together, but the factored version is still the same expression as the unfactored version. So whatever values of z cause the factored version to = 0 (by causing one of the factors to =0, and then in turn multiplying the rest of the expression by 0) will also cause the unfactored version to go to zero, because they are the same expression.

  • @mr.gamerkabir8142
    @mr.gamerkabir8142 Před 4 měsíci +1

    Easier method
    Divide entire polynomial by z²
    We will get a quadratic equation and then just plug in the quadratic formula
    Edit:just realised the flaw with my method
    Dividing z² would make a problem
    2(z²-( 2/z²))-3(z+ (2/z))+2=0
    And yes this method is still pretty effective and you CAN evaluate something like 4/x or 4/x² in quadratic formula

    • @debikk4204
      @debikk4204 Před 4 měsíci

      But can you use the quadratic formula if you have 6/z and 4/z²?

    • @user-hg2sh5dq5h
      @user-hg2sh5dq5h Před 4 měsíci

      What do you do with z/6and 4/z^2 then

    • @NadiehFan
      @NadiehFan Před 4 měsíci

      No, that won't work. But you can use Ferrari's method to turn this equation into
      (4z² − 3z + 2)² = (3z + 6)²
      and then you only need to solve two quadratics to get all four roots of the equation.

    • @Unknowndang
      @Unknowndang Před 4 měsíci

      ​@@user-hg2sh5dq5hjust cry😂 he is nub bro dont believe

    • @mr.gamerkabir8142
      @mr.gamerkabir8142 Před 4 měsíci

      @@debikk4204 pretty much yeah
      In this case we would have a problem

  • @KCJB22291
    @KCJB22291 Před 4 měsíci

    I would have liked to have seen how to go about it without trial and error of z=2 root.

    • @carultch
      @carultch Před 4 měsíci

      There is a cubic and a quartic formula. I've used the cubic formula before, and I've attempted to use the quartic formula, but not successfully.
      A much easier way to get the root with an educated guess, is to use the rational roots theorem.
      In general, consider a polynomial in the following form:
      a*x^n + b*x^(n - 1) + other terms + k = 0
      The rational solutions for x will all have the following form:
      factors of k / factors of a, including both positives and negatives.
      The roots also will add to -b/a, and multiply to +k/a for even n, or multiply to -k/a for odd n.
      This means you can make a list of all factors of k, and factors of a, and then try the ratios thereof. Descartes's rule of signs is another rule to guide you for guessing roots.

    • @carultch
      @carultch Před 4 měsíci

      For the given example:
      2*z^4 - 3*z^3 + 2*z^2 - 6*z - 4 = 0
      There are 4 solutions due to 4 as the highest power. Because there are 3 sign swaps, Descartes's rule of signs tells us that there are either 1 or 3 positive real roots.
      Factors of final constant = 1, 2, and 4
      Factors of leading coefficient = 1 & 2
      This means, our candidates for rational roots are:
      +1/2, +1, +2, and +4, as well as negatives
      Roots will add to 3/2, and the complex roots (if they exist) will come in conjugate pairs that add up to a real number that contributes to this sum.
      The following sets of candidates for roots meet these criteria:
      Set 1: -2, +1/2, +1, +2
      Set 2: -1/2, +2, and an unknown complex conjugate pair of roots that add up to zero.
      Both possible sets contain +2, which means +2 is our strongest candidate to guess as a root.
      Of these candidates, z = -1/2 and z=2 are confirmed as the two real roots.

    • @user-mv8tx9jx3u
      @user-mv8tx9jx3u Před 4 měsíci

      I would recommend you to use Newton Raphson method if using trial and error method may be time consuming 1:48

  • @yeyongfeng
    @yeyongfeng Před 4 měsíci

    That’s Algebra 2 and pre calculus

  • @JubeiKibagamiFez
    @JubeiKibagamiFez Před 4 měsíci +1

    Not that I can make sense of any of this, but why Z instead of X? What does X and Z intend to represent? Why not D or K or any of the other letters in the english alphabet?

    • @major__kong
      @major__kong Před 4 měsíci +11

      Nothing stops you from using whatever you want. But there are conventions. x is a general variable. z tends to represent complex numbers. k is usually an index. d might represent distance or diameter. s sometimes means arc length. r means radius or the roots of a characteristic equation in a differential equation.

    • @Neun_owo
      @Neun_owo Před 4 měsíci +1

      The unknown variable we use really depends on the question (In this case the question uses Z.). Any alphabet is fine but we mostly use X and Y because they both represents the coordinate system. Or greek alphabets but that's another story.

    • @carultch
      @carultch Před 4 měsíci +5

      Descartes set a precedent to generally use the beginning of the alphabet for constants, and the end of the alphabet for variables. That's why x, y, and z tend to be the default choices for variables. They are the trio that is also least likely to stand for anything in particular.
      You of course can use any letters you want, but the letter may also represent something in the original application. Perhaps z represents vertical position. One application of this, might be solving for the equilibrium elevation of a boat floating in water, where the shape of its hull is defined by a polynomial. You may want to use z for this, if x and y are spoken for, for representing horizontal position.

    • @JubeiKibagamiFez
      @JubeiKibagamiFez Před 4 měsíci

      @@major__kong Well, all those makes sense, R for radius and such. I find myself using X and Y frequently, but this video just made me think, "why not other letters?"

    • @JubeiKibagamiFez
      @JubeiKibagamiFez Před 4 měsíci

      @@carultch Ohh, Thank you.

  • @holyshit922
    @holyshit922 Před 4 měsíci

    My favourite way which works for every quartic equation as long as we know how to solve cubic looks as follows
    We are trying to rewrite quartic on the LHS of equation as difference of two squares
    2z^4-3z+2z^2-6z-4=0
    Lets multiply both sides by 8 to avoid square roots and fractions
    16z^4-24z^3+16z^2-48z-32 = 0
    Lets group the terms
    (16z^4 - 24z^3) - (-16z^2 + 48z + 32) = 0
    Lets complete the square in the leftmost brackets
    Anything we add to the expression in leftmost brackets we must add to the expoession in other brackets
    (16z^4 - 24z^3 + 9z^2) - (9z^2-16z^2 + 48z + 32) = 0
    (16z^4 - 24z^3 + 9z^2) - (-7z^2 + 48z + 32) = 0
    (4z^2 - 3z)^2 - (-7z^2 + 48z + 32) = 0
    Lets observe that expression inside second brackets (from the left)
    is quadratic trinomial so it will be a perfect square when discriminant is equal to zero
    If we calculate discriminant it may happen that it is not equal to zero
    so we must make it dependent from parameter
    We introduce parameter in such way that expression inside leftmost brackets is still
    a perfect square keeping inmind that anything we add to the one expression we have to add to the other
    (4z^2 - 3z + y/2)^2 - ((4y-7)z^2 + (-3y+ 48)z+y^2/4 + 32) = 0
    Now we are ready to calculate discriminant of this quadratic expression
    4(y^2/4 + 32)(4y-7) - (-3y+ 48)^2 = 0
    (y^2+128)(4y-7) -9(y-16)^2 = 0
    (4y^3-7y^2+512y-896)-9(y^2-32y+256) = 0
    (4y^3-7y^2+512y-896) - (9y^2-288y+2304) = 0
    4y^3 - 16y^2+800y - 3200 = 0
    y^3 - 4y^2 + 200y - 800 = 0
    y^2(y-4)+200(y-4) = 0
    (y-4)(y^2+200) = 0
    y = 4
    (4z^2 - 3z + y/2)^2 - ((4y-7)z^2 + (-3y+ 48)z+y^2/4 + 32) = 0
    (4z^2 - 3z + 2)^2 - (9z^2 + 36z+ 36) = 0
    (4z^2 - 3z + 2)^2 - (3z+6)^2 = 0
    ((4z^2 - 3z + 2) - (3z+6))((4z^2 - 3z + 2) + (3z+6)) = 0
    (4z^2-6z-4)(4z^2+8) = 0
    (z^2 + 2)(2z^2-3z-2) = 0
    (z^2 + 2)(z - 2)(2z+1) = 0

    • @NadiehFan
      @NadiehFan Před 4 měsíci

      Exactly. This is Ferrari's method for solving quartic equations. Note that in many cases, especially with quartics from math contests and so on which often have a nice factorization into two quadratics with _integer_ coefficients, you can save yourself the trouble of solving the cubic resolvent by first inspecting the coefficients of the quadratic which is to become a perfect square. Here we have
      (4y − 7)z² + (−3y + 48)z + (y²/4 + 32)
      If this is to be the square (px + q)² of a linear polynomial (px + q) with _integer_ coefficients p and q then both 4y − 7 = p² and y²/4 + 32 = q² will need to be squares of integers and therefore nonnegative, so y needs to satisfy 4y − 7 ≥ 0 i.e. y ≥ 7/4. Also, y needs to be an even integer otherwise y²/4 + 32 will not be an integer and _eo ipso_ not the square of an integer. So, we only need to test positive even integers for y to see if our quadratic in z can be the square of a linear polynomial in z with integer coefficients. With y = 2 we have 4y − 7 = 1 = 1² which is the square of an integer but y²/4 + 32 = 33 is not the square of an integer. But with y = 4 both 4y − 7 = 9 = 3² and y²/4 + 32 = 36 = 6² are squares of integers and indeed with y = 4 we have 9z² + 36z + 36 = (3z + 6)² as required.

  • @m1n3c4rt
    @m1n3c4rt Před 4 měsíci +1

    you should have used the quartic formula :)

    • @emilyesnyman
      @emilyesnyman Před 4 měsíci

      What is the quartic formula?

    • @RishankPratti
      @RishankPratti Před 4 měsíci

      @@emilyesnyman czcams.com/video/gDCu2pZd_LY/video.htmlsi=yE4W2Y0BW4gs9zZN this video explains the quartic formula in a concise and understandable manner

    • @RishankPratti
      @RishankPratti Před 4 měsíci

      It’s a huge formula! Instead of using the quartic formula, it is easier to find the roots of the given quartic equation by trial and error,long division, and factoring.

    • @fawazmohammed8565
      @fawazmohammed8565 Před 4 měsíci +1

      Just do polynomial long division it is very easy and similar to the regular long division

    • @NadiehFan
      @NadiehFan Před 4 měsíci

      @@RishankPratti Well there are systematic methods to solve quartic equations which do _not_ require you to memorize or use hugh formulas and which are easy to learn, like Ferrari's method which is still taught in India (there are Indian CZcams videos which show how to do this).
      In fact if you first multiply both sides of the equation by 8 (to avoid fractions later on) you can use Ferrari's method to transform the equation from this video into
      (4z² − 3z + 2)² = (3z + 6)²
      which gives
      4z² − 3z + 2 = 3z + 6 ⋁ 4z² − 3z + 2 = −3z − 6
      and so
      4z² − 6z − 4 = 0 ⋁ 4z² + 8 = 0
      and then you only need to solve these two quadratic equations to get all four roots of the original quartic equation. Of course both sides of the first quadratic can be divided by 2 to give 2z² − 3z − 2 = 0 which factors as (2z + 1)(z − 2) = 0 giving the roots z = −½ and z = 2 and both sides of the second quadratic can be divided by 4 to get z² + 2 = 0 which gives the nonreal roots z = √2·i and z = −√2·i.

  • @kinghunterx7848
    @kinghunterx7848 Před 4 měsíci +1

    How's the dude in the comments 6days ahead??? Can somebody make sense of this

    • @darranrowe174
      @darranrowe174 Před 4 měsíci +2

      The video was released early to channel members or something like that.
      The date the video is made available to all viewers doesn't have to be the same as when the video was uploaded or made available to private groups.

  • @mathschallengesbytushar757
    @mathschallengesbytushar757 Před 4 měsíci

    ohhhh Yes! Solved it in under 3 minutes, while being in Grade 9 😄

  • @brisingreye5209
    @brisingreye5209 Před 4 měsíci

    is it just me or is the audio not in sync?

  • @balukumovies
    @balukumovies Před 4 měsíci

    Im too bz to do this question

  • @johnrobertgalera
    @johnrobertgalera Před 4 měsíci

    jst do synthetic division (im im the 10th grade)

  • @zilvarro5766
    @zilvarro5766 Před 4 měsíci

    Luckily, this was not a grade 10 polynomial!

  • @Otatoes
    @Otatoes Před 4 měsíci +1

    How does the other guy be 8 days ahead?💀

    • @bprpmathbasics
      @bprpmathbasics  Před 4 měsíci +1

      They found my unlisted video in the playlist or on Reddit.

  • @Tonythe-.-
    @Tonythe-.- Před 4 měsíci

    Ruffini

  • @madhavwatkar9578
    @madhavwatkar9578 Před 4 měsíci

    you learn bi-quadratic eqn in 10th grade in us!!! Here, in india we only learn how to solve quadratic eqn!! if I am wrong then pls correct me as I have no knowledge about u.s. educational system. would anyone take the efforts to tell me about educational system in U.S.

    • @user-hg2sh5dq5h
      @user-hg2sh5dq5h Před 4 měsíci

      That might have meant to be solvable by other methods(that could come from experience), finding two roots and therefore able to simply the equation into a quadratic equation

  • @OrenLikes
    @OrenLikes Před 4 měsíci

    ~7:20 I know and you know, but does everybody know? z^1=z and z^0=1 (not "no z")...

  • @Arochishi
    @Arochishi Před 4 měsíci +1

    Using z when you can use x is criminal

  • @sangram4627
    @sangram4627 Před 4 měsíci

    a + b + c = 6
    a² + b²+ c² = 14
    a³ + b³ + c³ = 36
    ab + bc + ac = 11
    abc =6
    Values of a , b and c are ?
    Help me, solve this

  • @anasreza782
    @anasreza782 Před 4 měsíci

    Hi

  • @anasreza782
    @anasreza782 Před 4 měsíci

    Hey

  • @C7ZI
    @C7ZI Před 4 měsíci

    Your way of writing "z" hurts my eyes and brain. Also i guess this is 7th class questions thats when i did these but i don't know about other countries' education system.
    (I am in India)

  • @SuryaBudimansyah
    @SuryaBudimansyah Před 4 měsíci +3

    Is it just me or your voice doesn't sync well with the video?

    • @tajr.2650
      @tajr.2650 Před 4 měsíci

      It’s fine but that does happens to me randomly on other people’s videos. No clue why but it’s super annoying!!

  • @roger7341
    @roger7341 Před 3 měsíci

    Not quite what I x-pected.

  • @HydraulicsMe
    @HydraulicsMe Před 4 měsíci

    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Factorization#Factoring_by_grouping
    For example, for P ( x ) = x³ − 3 x + 2 , one may easily see that the sum of its coefficients is 0, so r = 1 is a root. As r + 0 = 1, and r² + 0 r − 3 = − 2 , one has
    i see
    x³ + x² -2x -x² -x +2
    merging
    x³ -3x + 2
    okay makes sense now... how do i do this backwards now?
    x³ − 3 x + 2 = ( x − 1 ) ( x² + x − 2 ) .
    just randomly guess, no? pull out sh1t tons of x and then pull out sh1t tons of negative 1s?
    how the fu _ck is this even practical in the real world?

    • @carultch
      @carultch Před 4 měsíci +1

      If I had this problem in a practical application today, I'd visit Geogebra, and graph it to find the solutions. The reason for doing it manually, is to understand what people would've had to do in the past. Another reason for knowing how to do it manually, is that it allows you the insight into how the coefficients relate to roots, so you can know how to tune the parameters (that become coefficients) of a system modeled with a polynomial, to get desired results.
      An application of higher degree polynomials, is beam theory. Given a beam carrying a uniform load, the slope of the beam at any point along its length will be a cubic function of the x-position, and the deflection curve will be a quartic function of the x-position. Examples with symmetry are easy, but for examples without symmetry, you'd solve a cubic equation to find a location of maximum deflection, and you'd solve a quartic equation to find locations of zero deflection (that don't coincide with a support).

    • @HydraulicsMe
      @HydraulicsMe Před 4 měsíci

      @@carultch
      what is the quartic function of the x-position if the affluent or luxurious misplace my support on a disadvantaged slope?
      where y of x and y is the value of the disadvantaged versus the affluent or luxurious?
      where does the deflection curve reflect a change in potential disenfranchisement in favor of universal sufferage?
      where does the slope place
      who controls it? how do i find out how this works now?

    • @carultch
      @carultch Před 4 měsíci

      @@HydraulicsMe I don't understand your question. It sounds like you just copied a bunch of keywords from my post, and made a word salad from a bunch of other words that have nothing to do with it.

  • @kinghunterx7848
    @kinghunterx7848 Před 4 měsíci

    How's the dude in the comments 6days ahead??? Can somebody make sense of this