Step 4 Precision alignment with a Dial Indicator

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  • @rinnhart
    @rinnhart Před 9 měsíci +2

    Hey, I just wanna say, these basic videos, and their commentary, are really valuable in a contemporary era where I fucking forgot half of that millwright class, but suddenly need to explain precision motor alignment to a suit in the morning. Thanks, gents!

  • @kmdiaries6557
    @kmdiaries6557 Před 3 lety +7

    Thank you for this video. Really helpful. This helped me from hours of studying :)

  • @mccoy1968
    @mccoy1968 Před 5 lety +29

    When doing an alignment, you should install the coupling element and turn both shafts together. This factors out any runout or surface deformities in the coupling hub.

    • @Mikesfilmss
      @Mikesfilmss  Před 5 lety +2

      Thats an interesting tip. I have to follow the text book and other resources for these videos. If you have a resource that suggests that, I'd love to get my hands on it.

    • @keithscott9774
      @keithscott9774 Před 5 lety +2

      Exactly. The angular alignment for example is based on an assumption that the flat surface the wiggler is resting on (pump coupling) is flat and perpendicular to the shaft. A way to not have to rotate both shafts would be to first rotate the coupling on the pump side and confirm the flat face is indeed flat, i.e. the wiggler stayed at the same position. Then you know that face is flat and perpendicular to the pump shaft and there's no need to rotate it. However, keep the tip of the wiggler in the same place on the flat surface for both tests.

    • @maxymjobin660
      @maxymjobin660 Před 4 lety +2

      VIBRALIGN will show you that you NEED to tape it or put the coupling first

    • @ShaunHensley
      @ShaunHensley Před 4 lety

      This is correct.

    • @boricuaarecibo9259
      @boricuaarecibo9259 Před 4 lety +3

      I was wondering the same thing I always do it with the coupling installed

  • @electromechanicalstuff2602

    I'm about to do my first alignment. Without any advice from someone who knows how to do it. And it's a 60hp motor. Lol your helping me show up my boss

    • @rajeshkumar-ge2tu
      @rajeshkumar-ge2tu Před 2 lety

      By steel scale

    • @electromechanicalstuff2602
      @electromechanicalstuff2602 Před 2 lety

      @@rajeshkumar-ge2tu what do u mean?
      Edit. I think you mean it's going to shake so bad it'll shake off the rust....
      I used to build turbofan airplane engines and pro mod drag racing engines. Dial indicators are not foreign to me. I got the alignment withing 0.004" in all directions. It's been running over a year now and the wind tunnel operator who runs it says it's quite than it's ever been. So thanks for the comment 👍

  • @funnystories557
    @funnystories557 Před 5 lety +7

    I just wasted 3 hours in class doing my first coupling alignment lol now I'm here thanks for the great video

    • @Mikesfilmss
      @Mikesfilmss  Před 5 lety +1

      Thanks! I hope this was a good resource. I have a lot of students that have to do this alignment and its always frustrating for them. It only gets easier with more experience. Just keep trying, you'll get it.

    • @susheelkumarmishra6053
      @susheelkumarmishra6053 Před 3 lety

      @@Mikesfilmss can u name the book ur using it

    • @carlloggins9297
      @carlloggins9297 Před 2 lety

      Ohhh a Goulds pump! Aka trash pump!

    • @carlloggins9297
      @carlloggins9297 Před 2 lety

      First thing you should do is establish length of rod to achieve distance needed to obtain measurements! Then confirm sag of chain jig!of Especially with those

  • @tonygenel7834
    @tonygenel7834 Před 3 lety +1

    excellent job men good luck .

  • @carlosaguilar4505
    @carlosaguilar4505 Před 4 lety +3

    There are many factors for alignment two shafts, firts, the Rod SAG compensated measurement, them both shafts must be coupling for eliminate any runout condition, don't forget it the soft foot, saludos desde Sinaloa, México.

    • @Mikesfilmss
      @Mikesfilmss  Před 4 lety

      Those are found in my other videos! thanks for commenting!

  • @mohammadparsnezhad5523
    @mohammadparsnezhad5523 Před 9 měsíci +1

    The perfect method. Thanks.

  • @avgjoe-cz7cb
    @avgjoe-cz7cb Před 5 lety +1

    4th and final step, just don't forget. Good luck.

  • @nivymonyela8180
    @nivymonyela8180 Před 2 lety +1

    Thank you for this video

  • @barryhill9723
    @barryhill9723 Před 2 lety +2

    Great video - You mention book - where can I get a copy?

  • @cesarin7819
    @cesarin7819 Před 4 lety +1

    EXCELENTE TRABAJO

  • @AlC92575
    @AlC92575 Před 2 lety +1

    Remember kiddies. Jack bolts are your friend.

  • @ahmadparviz2402
    @ahmadparviz2402 Před 4 lety +7

    Good information thank you. However the longer side of dial indicator is used to read zero or any other number.

    • @justinwalsh6932
      @justinwalsh6932 Před 2 lety

      You always set the plunger to half its travel range, so he is calling the 50thou mark on the dial 0

  • @user-or2kw9sf9q
    @user-or2kw9sf9q Před měsícem +1

    Great video mate

  • @bretthatfield3473
    @bretthatfield3473 Před 3 měsíci +1

    Good stuff man 😎

  • @hepburn118
    @hepburn118 Před 5 lety +3

    Great video mate, but it would be helpful if you showed a bit more of the actual moving of the motor. I would have like to see how your dealt with moving the motor over toward you without ruining the angular adjustment while you were at it. I am talking about the 90 a d 270 degrees points here.
    I always struggled with that, I would get the angular adjustment correct and go to adjust the side to side and ruin my angular adjustment while I was doing that. Very frustrating. G'day from South Australia by the way.

    • @Mikesfilmss
      @Mikesfilmss  Před 5 lety +1

      Thanks! I'm glad this helped you. I plan to re do this video with better cameras and more explanation....and better acting haha. Thanks for the comment and the suggestion

  • @luishernandez5394
    @luishernandez5394 Před 2 lety +2

    Also where can i purchase that alignment tool you specifically have in your video?

  • @trevorlebert1929
    @trevorlebert1929 Před 3 lety +6

    why not use the long needle for your zeroing on the dial indicator

  • @vnesmuonnam
    @vnesmuonnam Před 3 měsíci +1

    Thank you

  • @anittajoseph497
    @anittajoseph497 Před rokem +1

    very good informection

  • @streamfan6825
    @streamfan6825 Před 2 lety +3

    Never indicate on a painted surface... get your chain under control ..... theres a reason why that wiggler has a "ball " end... laying it on the side of the coupling isnt getting you a true reading regardless.....you should honestly pull your couplings and work off the shaft in this situation.... as its the shaft you are aligning... the coupling isnt as important as the shaft in this circumstance as its a flex coupling

  • @carlloggins9297
    @carlloggins9297 Před 2 lety +2

    The face of the mating surface of the 2 part hub would have been a much better surface for your angular reading!

  • @carley3045
    @carley3045 Před 4 lety +1

    What starrett set is this? Where was it purchased from? What is the range needed?

  • @jameslauinger296
    @jameslauinger296 Před 4 lety +4

    Both shafts need to turned as one unit (at the same time) and your reading the dial with the Wrong end of the needle!

  • @stevezarycki9004
    @stevezarycki9004 Před 4 lety +1

    Also, can you identify the kit you are using?

  • @zyadhaji9838
    @zyadhaji9838 Před 2 lety +3

    Thank you for this video. Really helpful. Can you please, send the name and author of the book that you shown and used in the video?

  • @libravisainty
    @libravisainty Před 2 lety +2

    Can you pls share a link to purchase that pump? I have been looking for the pump head

  • @slimmmerman
    @slimmmerman Před 6 lety +12

    You had 50 at 12:00 not 0 but other than that you have me totally confused... thanks for the refresher!You do realize that the long pointy end of the finger is the indicator?

    • @shyamcharankumbhakar2184
      @shyamcharankumbhakar2184 Před 5 lety

      slimmmerman ..CFO

    • @jloc803dw
      @jloc803dw Před 5 lety +2

      I was thinking the same thing and on the second go around, he was still zeroing to the short end of the dial. But, I still appreciate the video and look forward to finding more of them as I continue down my Mechatronics training at Valencia College, Kissimmee, FL.

  • @spencertoolandgrind
    @spencertoolandgrind Před rokem +1

    I haven’t seen a wiggler in this video. Have several of my own. Other than that it’s good info.

  • @arjunnims8647
    @arjunnims8647 Před 3 lety +1

    👍thank u sir

  • @mohammed90m
    @mohammed90m Před 4 lety +3

    Thanks
    you used a book
    What its name?

  • @chris-wt7ol
    @chris-wt7ol Před rokem +2

    Up and down is called vertical and side to side is called horizontal sir

  • @tylerwalling3335
    @tylerwalling3335 Před rokem

    What book was that you were referencing in the video? Thanks

  • @carlloggins9297
    @carlloggins9297 Před 2 lety +2

    You can place both indicators at once with a little maneuvering! You must do a solid pre alignment!

    • @ThePowerzet
      @ThePowerzet Před rokem +1

      If everyone comments it can be 1001 ideas how to do alignment

  • @Hussein-cd6mb
    @Hussein-cd6mb Před měsícem +1

    هل يممكنني الحصول على هذا الكتاب؟

  • @umargul5644
    @umargul5644 Před 4 lety +1

    thanks sir

  • @nickledimez4012
    @nickledimez4012 Před 3 lety +1

    Do you have a publisher or your own manual? Great vid

    • @Mikesfilmss
      @Mikesfilmss  Před 9 měsíci

      We used the millwrights handbook for this

  • @american6431
    @american6431 Před měsícem

    What book did you use?

  • @stephendavis1572
    @stephendavis1572 Před rokem +2

    Great video. Unless these are stainless steel shafts, could you just use a mag base to hold your dial indicator?

    • @Mikesfilmss
      @Mikesfilmss  Před 9 měsíci

      I wouldn't because of rigidity. I am not sure of a scenario when a magnet base would be better.

  • @erastuschristian2698
    @erastuschristian2698 Před rokem +1

    What is the name of that book,I need it

  • @susheelkumarmishra6053
    @susheelkumarmishra6053 Před 4 lety +3

    Please name the book u used

  • @intong5life816
    @intong5life816 Před 5 lety +3

    BEFORE YOU ALIGN THE HORIZONTAL MAKE ITS SURE ALSO ALIGN THE VERTICAL

  • @javiersoberanis9848
    @javiersoberanis9848 Před 3 lety

    IMAT me podrías decir el autor del libro de favor? Gracias

  • @stevezarycki9004
    @stevezarycki9004 Před 4 lety +2

    What book are you referring to in the beginning? And can I purchase it?

    • @Mikesfilmss
      @Mikesfilmss  Před 4 lety +4

      It`s called the Millwrights & mechanics guide 5th edition. by Thomas Bieber Davis & Carl A. Nelson. Its a pretty good all round book and it`s one of the few books that actually has shaft alignment. I think you can pick up a cheap copy off amazon, good luck.

    • @rachelharrison6294
      @rachelharrison6294 Před rokem

      @@Mikesfilmss thank you for finally naming book.

  • @ingDemurtas
    @ingDemurtas Před 2 lety +2

    how did you do the horizontal move, without fucking up the horizontal angular alignment?

  • @robertvogl6768
    @robertvogl6768 Před 4 lety +1

    not the way i do it. looks like it may be a woods size 6. .015 parallel, .070 angular max. you can align this with the right light, with a straight edge

  • @fahaddhiya4764
    @fahaddhiya4764 Před 4 lety +1

    اين يتوفر هذا الجهاز فضلا وليس امرا

  • @carlosmueller1276
    @carlosmueller1276 Před 4 lety +1

    We have been having problems aligning our pumps in the boiler room & recently our manger purchase the same type of indicator but it has two dials , to chain vises, swivel joints, & variety of tubing to mount the indicator. Well, my question is , is it still possible to get proper alignment if I already had the coupling come together or do I need to start back over , & go through each steps as you instructed . Of course the manual tells you to do it one way but being a visual learner , I would prefer to do it your way.

    • @Mikesfilmss
      @Mikesfilmss  Před 4 lety

      Hello! I think I understand your question and yes you can leave the coupler together. I think if you read a few comments below mccoy 1968 tells me that`s what I should have done for a better alignment. I`ve worked with people who swear by leaving the coupler out and other people that swear by leaving it in. This video is based on the textbook we use and it says to leave it out. I`ve never used your style of alignment tool so I hope this helps! good luck with your alignment!

  • @user-ro8ln9ys1b
    @user-ro8ln9ys1b Před 3 lety +1

    Hi, Do you share me about double reverse alignment formular?

  • @TheGhost81
    @TheGhost81 Před 10 měsíci +1

    with the proper tools make easy but some employeers does not want to invest in it I work for canfor sawmill most of the bases are home made with torch and grinder if the bolts dont fit make bigger with the torch is annoying

  • @luishernandez5394
    @luishernandez5394 Před 2 lety +1

    what book is the name of that book is it specific per manufactuer?

  • @cbdubey4774
    @cbdubey4774 Před 5 lety +1

    Very good

  • @paulpaul4921
    @paulpaul4921 Před 5 lety +4

    OMG you did the alignment turn it just the motor shaft, that's it's wrong,you need to turn bouth shaft from 0 till 180 and better two have 2 axial dial set up and 1 for radial...And also when you touch the shims it's good to do just in one side (left or right) and make other side like that on horizontally your motor remain in position without not moving..I hope you understand what i say...

    • @mechtech2686
      @mechtech2686 Před 5 lety +1

      If float of shaft is less then no need to 2 axial dials. It is mostly use when float of shaft is more and normal axial misalignment avoid for flexible coupling spacer .!! also no need to moving both shaft here

    • @georgewashington8652
      @georgewashington8652 Před 5 lety

      @@mechtech2686 Correct.

  • @giltupaz5979
    @giltupaz5979 Před rokem +1

    yes,that's rim n face alignment.how
    about d amt. of shims in near n far
    foot?you did not show d triangulation
    computation.

  • @eloymontes5026
    @eloymontes5026 Před 4 lety +1

    And the soft foot, how can I check??

    • @Mikesfilmss
      @Mikesfilmss  Před 4 lety

      I go over soft foot and cleaning/ inspection in my step 3 video. But honestly, I would search it on youtube because there are tons of videos on soft foot. I think vibralign has a very good one if I remember right

  • @Kmn0219
    @Kmn0219 Před 5 lety +1

    Is it important to be that accurate? What happens if youre are off by hundreths of a mm?

    • @Mikesfilmss
      @Mikesfilmss  Před 5 lety +2

      In short, yes this is very important but that might not answer your question.
      Below is link to a study on bearing life. about 3/4 of the way down the page is a chart showing that if a shaft is 20mil out it can have 50% decrease in life. This might be an extreme but the article has other levels of misalignment.
      www.efficientplantmag.com/1999/04/study-shows-shaft-misalignment-reduces-bearing-life/
      hope this answers your question.

    • @Kmn0219
      @Kmn0219 Před 5 lety

      Tooele Tech Automation Manufacturing Technician thank you! That was very helpful. Is there any information on how to couple small external gear pumps with motors? Small as in ~.5gpm

  • @carlloggins9297
    @carlloggins9297 Před 2 lety +1

    Lose the wiggler with that kind of gap!

  • @jonnyjax6528
    @jonnyjax6528 Před 5 lety +3

    What’s the book

    • @Mikesfilmss
      @Mikesfilmss  Před 5 lety +4

      Its`s called the Millwrights & mechanics guide 5th edition. by Thomas Bieber Davis & Carl A. Nelson. Its a pretty good all round book and its one of the few books that actually has shaft alignment. I think you can pick up a cheap copy off amazon, good luck.

  • @rick9490
    @rick9490 Před 2 lety +1

    Why is his zero at .050?

  • @matthood9838
    @matthood9838 Před 2 lety +1

    What is the name of the book that you used?

    • @rachelharrison6294
      @rachelharrison6294 Před rokem

      see Steve Zarycki replies above.

    • @matthood9838
      @matthood9838 Před rokem

      @@rachelharrison6294 sorry that was watched 5 months ago. Could you just tell me bro?

  • @abrightmover3419
    @abrightmover3419 Před 11 měsíci +1

    Hi,what is the name of your book?

  • @hkngui7572
    @hkngui7572 Před 4 lety +1

    where u get the handbook?

  • @gbeankolyrichardgonlas2267

    la methode est bonne mais les limites du comparateur n est pas comprehensive

  • @jeninp993
    @jeninp993 Před 2 lety

    please show the shim size

  • @yansahhelmi
    @yansahhelmi Před 5 lety +2

    what your book title?

    • @Mikesfilmss
      @Mikesfilmss  Před 5 lety +2

      Its`s called the Millwrights & Mechanics guide 5th edition. by Thomas Bieber Davis & Carl A. Nelson. Its a pretty good all round book and its one of the few books that actually has shaft alignment. I think you can pick up a cheap copy off amazon, good luck.

    • @yansahhelmi
      @yansahhelmi Před 5 lety

      @@Mikesfilmss thanks u Mr. Terimakasih from Indonesia

  • @Harun-kr8qt
    @Harun-kr8qt Před 4 lety +1

    Ada Yang berbahasa indonesia?

  • @chris-wt7ol
    @chris-wt7ol Před rokem

    Are u journeymen or a apprentice sir. Im not being mean im just curious

  • @marawansayed1941
    @marawansayed1941 Před 4 lety +1

    ممكن الترجمه الى العربية

  • @donnienorton4194
    @donnienorton4194 Před 3 lety +1

    The reason they sent 2 dial incisors is to use reverse dial method a reading value of 0 in the horizontal plane is almost never the correct final result you need to alow for themral growth a simple rule of thumb .00083 per inch at 100 degrees of temp rise all the people i have taught Lazer alignment to all benefit from learning rim and face dial indicator first.that is the method you showing on your video

    • @mohammedalsaedi6257
      @mohammedalsaedi6257 Před 2 lety

      But in new modern manufacturing they’ve solved this problem no need to worried about this.

  • @jodyrolandconstruction6577

    I have been a millwright for a number of years and I haven’t used this method in a long time. With the advancements in laser alignment over the last 5 to 10 years why would anyone use this method?

    • @Mikesfilmss
      @Mikesfilmss  Před 4 lety

      I personally only know of a few places still doing this method but it is on a few pre-employment tests and I believe it is on the NCCER test for millwrights (Don`t quote me on that I`ve never taken the test). I think it also helps student visuals types of alignment but yes most of our curriculum is centered around laser alignment. Hope this helps you!

    • @hightekinc723
      @hightekinc723 Před 4 lety +2

      Cost of the laser

    • @jodyrolandconstruction6577
      @jodyrolandconstruction6577 Před 4 lety

      Tom Kane the vast majority of companies can afford laser alignment tools. As close to perfect as they do the job companies can’t afford to not have them. Also I’m not knocking this method at all. Just noting that laser alignment is so much better.

    • @malachy1847
      @malachy1847 Před 3 lety

      Not everyone might Lazer alignment tools to hand...

    • @72timhall
      @72timhall Před 3 lety

      I'm a construction millwright aswell
      I recently worked on a project installing a gas turbine.The contractor supplied us with inside micrometers and dials for all alignments. It's still a viable method

  • @emeterioesponja
    @emeterioesponja Před 4 lety +2

    7:20 aligneament in paint metal?? alineaciones de maquinas es en partes mecanizadas y descubiertas ..pollo!!

  • @ZainKhan-xx6np
    @ZainKhan-xx6np Před 2 lety +2

    Do you have pdf version of the book you showed here?

  • @zunaidisiswanto3350
    @zunaidisiswanto3350 Před 2 lety +1

    how do you calculate the value of additional shim? can you share to us?

    • @Mikesfilmss
      @Mikesfilmss  Před 2 lety

      I no longer have access to this equipment otherwise I would. good luck! I hope you find some other resourses

  • @sethhelms8404
    @sethhelms8404 Před rokem +1

    Surely this man isn't trying to teach?.. he's obviously never done that before

  • @juanpablohume8299
    @juanpablohume8299 Před 2 lety +1

    A mi no me gusta a mi me encanta uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu

  • @EDNOC
    @EDNOC Před 4 lety +1

    U

  • @streamfan6825
    @streamfan6825 Před 2 lety +1

    when "shimming" your motor whether adding or subtracting NEVER loosen all 4 bolts at same time.. good way to lose your work... do 1 side at a time.. if you dont you will be chasing your alignment alot of times...

  • @ashlyhester2782
    @ashlyhester2782 Před 3 lety +2

    Could have done that in half the time with the correct mathematical formula 😉

  • @bkeys71
    @bkeys71 Před 3 lety +2

    SUCH A BAD LESSON MILLWRIGHT SHAME

  • @georgecrabtree2013
    @georgecrabtree2013 Před 5 lety +3

    Please say the full word "thousandths" not "thou".