Sony's Secret Weapon! - Catalyst Browse 2022 Update
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- Stabilizing your footage just got better. This is an updated video to my original Catalyst Browse video I made 2 years ago. Many things have changed (for the better!)
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Excellent video. Just received mySony RX100 VII yesterdy, and it works with Catalyst Browse stabilizer, too - what an extra bonus!
this is awesome thanks for sharing - for me not being able to use with active steady shot was a dealbreaker
Yeah a RESOLVE plug-in would mean it gets used a lot more.
Appreciate this update!! Sony is killing it!
Great video. Tested this with my FX9 and works great. Sony is just killing it these days.
Nice! Does the new version of CB work if you use lens stabilization now? I’ve been bit by having that turned on and not being able to stabilize afterwards.
Amazing, thank you very much for this update, I had no idea of it and still thought that you needed IBIS off to post stabilize, glad its not the case anymore, it was such an annoying thing to have to switch off ibis and to be forced to know before hand you would choose catalyst browse. Now I am just waiting for Sony to implement this directly in FCPX and Premiere pro
Apparently they made Catalyst prepare plug-in for premiere. I haven’t tried it but someone said it exists
@@LeeZavitz sounds cool, people will use this 100 times more if it's included in their editing software.
is it same good with IBIS on?
Now you have to use catalyst before the import, it turns out when you import the files using the programs own import feature (like for example in fcpx) you cannot stabilize it afterwards.
I'm sure it's situational but in my testing I have found Active Steady Shot and Catalyst make for the best stabilization if you can deal with the crop from both. I tend to shoot with Active Steady Shot since in most cases that is stable enough for my needs but if not I apply a 10% crop in Catalyst and we are good to go. The shutter speed thing might be an issue for some but for my needs it's not an issue. Thanks for the video! Cheers.
I typically shoot with active on. But I noticed if it has any weird “robotic” movement catalyst browse also kind of still shows it. When it’s off it’s less obvious and has a more floaty look. That said I will probably always use active stabe because I don’t always shoot with intention of using catalyst browse
This is great.
As I often switch between photo and video. I don't like using NDs in bright light to get my shutter down so I often shoot 120fps to compensate.
Nor do I like using the gimbal. Yet I would love for this tech to be directly in DaVinci Resolve to further streamline the process
u can. there is a plugin that will read the gyro data right in resolve
@@zacki5663gyro flow and it is free
@@zacki5663 really? how to use this plugin?
@@nopro_filmsIt’s called Gyroflow
Hi Lee,
Amazing content! subscribed! I was playing today with all the settings that you mentioned, all ok when I recorded with my FX30 and the Sony 11mm 1.8 (IBIS ON, all stab ON), I manage to stabilize it and was great, but when I change to my 200-600 mm, I can't stabilize any video, the lens stabilization was ON, and the camera was ON also, like when I used the 11mm, any advice? would be great if I can stabilize the Sony 200-600 mm videos (settings was, 60 fps, shutter 1/800) and aperture auto.
Im so glad I watched this video, I did not know you can stabilize with ACTIVE stabilization on now ! 😁😁😁
I only found out because of that job I shot a couple weeks ago. I’m so glad it does now!
i think ibis OFF better ON and Active , how do you think about difference between ON and OFF in catalyst ?
Hi Lee, I've noticed a marked loss of detail once the clip are stabilized and exported, do you have tested any specific codec that preserves the original detail? thanks
Thanks for the video. Do you know if the a1 is now compatible?
wow what a detailed explalation
hi, amazing video. what lut do you use?tahnks
Im sure blackmagic Design would love to implement the gyro stabilization into davinci resolve like they did for the bmpcc cameras. To convert more Sony users to their NLE. But it took Sony over a decade to finally push camera firmware updates in camera instead of some buggy software with usb. Gyro is such a nice feature, but literally no one uses it with the hassle of catalyst browse which just sucks as a software…
It's honestly a nightmare, way more than CZcamsrs let on. Crashes constantly. Can't export h.265, so you inflate all your file sizes for no gain in quality. Can't bulk export unless you shell out $299/yr for Catalayst Prepare. I'd rather just use a gimbal so I don't have to hassle with it.
@@_CRiT_hits_ For sure, agreeing with everything you said. But a title like "no need for gimbals anymore" reads better. Certainly not an opinion from someone that shoots a lot of client stuff with tighter deadlines… the catalyst workflow screws every deadline
i use this a lot for weddings the last 2 years and it worked great for me. With my sony a7SIII i have 3 Modes: 25FPS ACTIVE / 50 FPS ACTIVE / and 50 FPS no Stabilisation for Gyro / Tracking shots...
No i dont have to switch between different camera bodies and can much more focus on the creative side 🙂 sorry for my English
I was wondering why I get the icon after I shot with active on, thanks for this video
Quick question. I enjoy your content and just subscribed. Did you ever try this with Standard Stabilization. or just OFF and Active.
Off and standard are the same. I only wanted to see if there was much difference between off and active because of the drastic difference I thought I might see
@@LeeZavitz Thank you, brother. That was super kind of you to respond.
Informative video. I’m confused about the cranking up of shutter speed which you didn’t elaborate. I doubt this will hamper shooting in low light situations? Can you explain this more in a separate video?
If you don’t bump the shutter you get weird motion blur from when it gets stabilized. So to avoid that you need to bump it up more
Hey Lee do you still need to higher iso in order to use the gyro stabilization?!
Thanks for the video. Amazing what the software is able to do. I was about to buy a ZV-E10 for some video stuff but was struggling if it would provide good results when not having a gimbal with me cause missing IBIS. I do believe that this could work because of the possibility to stabilize with CB afterwards.
Great video!!!! What editing program are you using? I’m desperately looking for a program that’s user friendly???? Thanks !!!!
I edit in DaVinci Resolve. It’s not technically user friendly. But watching some tutorials you will figure it out :)
Thanks for the video. its very slow on my Mac, any advice please
Great video! Hey Lee, can you notice that the shutter speed is high when viewing the footage off CZcams? Like can you notice any change? Asking due to you saying you have that shutter at 300.
You are watching it on CZcams. Can you tell?
@@LeeZavitz I can't tell. Which is why I was asking you if you could tell "OFF" CZcams. Non uploaded version.
Just use a gimbal and ibis for no crop, dicking around with more software and no need for ridiculous shutter speed that makes the footage look like a phone camera was used.
Great video! I didn't know about Catalyst Browse till now, I suppose it doesn't support Sony a7III?
Only the newer cameras starting in 2020
you still cant use non-sony lens right? how do you deal with motion blur
would you recommend it before or after the color grading?
I use blackmagic gyro stabilization on my BMPCC4k it’s great
Thinking of getting an a7c for this software do you know if it works on cinema lenses or does it have to be Electric (in dadincy BMPCC4k works whir manual lenses
Brandon li sais that if your are gonna stabilize with gyro you should shoot at 60p rather than24p .do you agree?
Thanks for sharing. I'm new to videography, but familiar shooting stills. I want to shoot some ski action next week on vacation, never used Catalyst Browse, but think it may be perfect for what I want to do.
Did I understand you correctly...? That it's best to not worry about setting active stabilisation and go half the 180 degree speed setting? i.e. for 24fps go not 1/50 but 1/100 shutter. For 30fps shoot not at 1/60 but 1/125 and 60fps go 1/250th?
I have an FX3, but there is a limit to the kit I can ski with and want, as a priority, to shoot some really good sports action stills, so I'm taking my a7iv with my main zooms (I love primes, when I can, but can't heft those as well). I know my FX3 is a better video camera (eg 120fps and less rolling shutter) than my a7iv, but 12Mp stills aren't going to cut what I need, especially if I need to crop (as I usually do). I'm packing a 16-35mm PZ f4 and GMs mkii 24-70 and 70-200mm. Normally I find that the 24-70 gives me best results working pretty close to air jump action with mountain backgrounds for context.
I want some talking head to camera, so thought of shooting my a7iv at 24fps in 4k, S-Cinetone and outputting via DaVinci to a 24fps timeline. I think I will need ND filtration (as it's pretty bright) so was intending doing a custom white balance to compensate for any small colour shift introduced by a VND. If I can then I will shoot with more neutral fixed NDs. I'm thinking of slowing 30fps to 80% and 60fps to 40%. I plan to do VO, music or foley SFX for action clips separately to avoid issues slowing 30 and 60fps.
Because of my inexperience doing alpine action video, I'm unsure what is the best frame rate to use for fast pace tracked and panned action is? Any tips or advice from anyone would be appreciated. I can't manage to ski with my DJI gimbal so I'm thinking that Catalyst Browse will be near perfect for my needs. I realise that there will be a crop factor for using CB and also shooting 60fps on an a7iv. Unless I can rig one of my ski poles as a makeshift monopod, then everything will be hand held. That will be unworkable normally with a 70-200mm, but a faster shutter of 1/250 for 60fps may just work. By the time I get to view on a big monitor, it will be too late to go back and re-shoot, so I really need to get the technicals shot right first time.
The accelerometer data is available now in Blackmagic Cameras now too. And you use that data natively in Resolve. Heres hoping Canon gets the message.
Did they really? I actually didn’t know this. That’s huge for blackmagic shooters. It’s so much better than warp stabilizer. Plus if it’s already built into resolve that’s amazing
@@LeeZavitz Yup it was a free firmware update if you can believe it. I'm hoping Sony actually doesn't make a plugin but instead updates their codec spec to allow third parties to read back the accelerometer data. If they did that then Resolve could use their existing software and instead of reading back the data from blackmagic cameras they get it from Sony's directly. It would be extremely useful for VFX and camera tracking work too, so if the data can be extracted it would be a boon for camera matching teams everywhere.
For me the biggist down side of catalyst browse is that the only output option for 10bit is XAVC Intra. There is no H264 IPB options in the free version.
Plugin for Final Cut - yes please 🔥
Yo! I have a video idea for you. Explore the creative looks on your Sony A7iv. Profile FL and IN seem to be underdogs. Would love to see some content about that topic. Not a whole lot out there. Perhaps compare Sony creative looks with Fujifilm Film simulations?
They aren’t really the same thing. Probably why there isn’t much content on it because I wouldn’t know how to Navigate Sony creative looks to Fuji film sims. Creative looks are nothing like film sims
Does it work for Sigma 24-70 f2.8 or is there any limitations to the non Sony branded lenses?
Hi! Can I used catalyst browse for videos recorded on sony xperia smartphone?
Hey, i have a ryzen process and the catalyst browse is not working with it. How can resolve that issue?
Great video. Thanks.
So for don't get any weird motion blur we have to turn up the shutter speed??... Is there a rule to understand that? Like 5 time the fps? Your 322 shutter speed is made automatically by the camera or is decided by you?
Just has to be at least double what you would normally set it at. You can still sometimes get away with regular shutter speed but you will notice more weird motion blur
I'm sure you figured it out already. Put your camera into manual first. You would normally set your shutter to twice your framerate for the right amount of motion blur (for 24fps you use a 1/50 shutter speed). For stabilizing the footage you don't want motion blur, so you double the shutter speed (or higher). So for 24fps use at least 1/100 for the shutter speed.
Can you stabilize a clip if you use a manual lens?
Unfortunately not. Sony could easily add this, as all that is missing from the metadata is the focal length (which we know we can manually put in for IBIS using manual lenses). As usual Sony is being a bit frustrating. There are lens adaptors you can buy to add the ability to define focal length, but they're only available for certain mounts and limited to the focal lengths covered.
How does it deal with rolling shutter?
What about in lens stabilization like tamron VC?
Looks good, but it's a shame about having to use such high shutter speeds. I like to have some motion blur for a more cinematic look. Does it look bad if you are using 24fps and 1/50 shutter speed? Thanks and keep up the great work :)
Yeah it looks mushy and ghosty when you shoot at a “proper” shutter speed. But most people. (Even me) wouldn’t really notice 1/125 shutter on 24fps and if you know you are going to stabilize that footage afterwords it’s best to just do it and maybe add some of that motion blur back in post
So has Sony started supporting natively M1 macs with this software? I have this 32 core gpu in my macbook pro and it uses mostly the cpu's and not the GPU's. I switch back to my older macbook pro with the radeon GPU and it takes half the time to stabilize the clip. So unfortunate that they still haven't updated this yet.
The free version doesn't allowed batch export and will need to convert videos individually... Very time consuming
At 1:30, subtitles says you need to turn it off. But you said you need to turn it on and then later in the video, you’ve demonstrated that it you have footage with it on that you can stabilize in catalyst browse…just want to confirm that you can turn on ibis and then stabilize it further in catalyst browse…right?
You use to have to turn it off. You dont have to now
Becca is awesome...
She always crushes it.
Whats her contact details
Record 4k video 10 bit. Use catalyst browse/prepare to stabe even without any crop. Zoom 600 on both clips and you will see how much less details are after using catalyst. 4k after catalyst looks like 1080p upscaled to 4k.
Only if you do a heavy crop. And it looks sharper if you keep your shutter speed higher.
why would you zoom to 600% - the client or audience will watch it 60% on their phones 5 % on some big ass tv and the other pc or tablets.... and for sure if you keep it around 100 % nobody will see any difference....
@@MladenBorisovPhoto It's not about me zooming, the point of my comment is that catalyst degrades the image quality even if you don't crop.
@@zolwikwkurwik damn that's a shame. I thought I might be introducing catalyst to my workflow for every shoot as it even removes rolling shutter. But if it significantly reduces quality that is a shame
However if I make a video inside a house in a dark place if I use 322 shutter speed the video isn't too dark?
Does the camera need communication with an AF lens or manual lens with chip to deliver gyro data, right? So you cant stabilize videos shot with full-manual lenses.
I would recommend using the free software called Gyroflow for manual lenses. Sony has neglected to allow us to manually add the missing info needed for manual lenses (the camera does record gyro data with the manual lenses, but Catalyst blocks it once it sees no focal length). Gyroflow lets you create a custom lens profile for each of your manual lenses. It's overall much better than Catalyst and you don't have to pay for additional "pro" features.
I've had the Sony A7iv since its launch. I haven't tried Catalyst Browse. After watching this video, I've finally downloaded CB and it is.... AWESOME!!! Thank you!
the thing I just learned is that it also removes rolling shutter !!! amazing
Everyone’s footage seems to stabilise in Catalyst but mine goes all glittery and looks like 💩- no idea why 😂
Can you do this with Sony a6500?
Thank you for asking for it to be made into a plugin!
I just bought catalyst prepare, just for batch/bulk stabalization for all clips, but its greyed out whenever I highlight more then 1 clip, I thought that was the point of upgrading from catalyst browse to prepare, am I missing something? Someone please help!!!!
I am waiting for your camera review of the iphone 14 pro max...
Hope you will do it soon
I’m not getting the pro max. Just the pro. The phones are so dang expensive this year
You do a great job of talking up this software, but only briefly allude to its MAJOR drawback. If you have a video file that is 10-bit colour and you modify it any way within Catalyst Browse, when you come to save the file it will have its colour resolution reduced to 8-bit. If you want to keep 10-bit resolution you will need to RENT Catalyst Prepare. As a comparison, if you buy a Blackmagic camera, you get the Studio version of Davinci Resolve with all future updates, an IMMENSE software development, for free (worth £275).
I don’t know what you are going on about? You still have many 10bit export options you have to choose the correct export settings
@@LeeZavitz Catalyst Browse manual page 9 refers. Only Catalyst Prepare keeps the material in 10 bit. Also see here czcams.com/video/39XSVW_X_PY/video.html plus several other youtube contributors.
@@LeeZavitz its a 10bit container but when you color grade and push you can see banding like its an 8 bit file, sadly. To get actual 10bit exports, you have to pay for catalyst prepare.
That's right, the exported file is gonna be 8bit. Just bring back the exported file to catalyst and look the metadata windows. I believe to maintain the 10bit you`ll need the paid version (Catalyst Prepare) as Graham mentioned. Kind regards
@@alemattosbr @rattoh my exported clips are 10bit?
Can I use this program (Catalyst) on my camera (Sony A6400)?
Does it work with vintage lenses at all? I’ve got a bunch of manual vintage stuff that I want to adapt. Does it even record the gyrodata? Thanks!
Sadly no it doesn’t work with all manual-type lenses. Not sure why though.
So far it only works with Sony af lenses
@@LeeZavitz it works with third party smart AF lenses like Sigma and Tamron I’m pretty sure. It’s only the all manual type lenses that don’t work.
@@chinitopinoy1726 wow I was about to reply to Marshall that ofc it works on vintage lenses, because the lens has nothing to do with they gryo stab (unless it has IS) gyro stab is just reading gyro data and cropping the output with the inverse of the movements experienced.
Really strange to me that it needs to be a 'smart af' lens for it to work. I suppose they could just program the gyro data to not record if the lens on the camera isn't communicating because they assume theres no lens? In which case maybe it can be spoofed by using an adaptor that just pretends to be some random lens.
@@chinitopinoy1726 actually that's not correct (or not anymore). I found a way to make the gyro stab work with all manual M-Mount lenses (Leica, Voigtländer, also Leica R + adapter, etc.). A manual and video is coming soon!
Hi buddy,
I have a problem because it does not stabilize at 50fps, but at 25fps there is no such problem (it stabilizes both with body stabilization turned off and with standard and active stabilization)
There's a plugin for Premiere already
Just to double confirm, i can use oss standard mode with sony zv-e10 and still use catalyst browse to stabilize?
I haven’t used the zv-e10 since it’s launch so I can’t say for sure. But if you have the camera already give it a test. As far as I know all cameras will behave similarly because it’s just the gyro data and software making stabilization corrections
It's even in the alpha 7c!
And the A1. I just listed the cameras I could think of off the top of my head.
How do you determine your shutter speed for different situations, and when to use what speed?
I would recommend as a rule of thumb to have at min. 1/200 (or faster), depending on the speed of movement of your camera or objects in the scene.
What massively distrurbs is the motion blur that gets aplified by the stabilization algo in Catalyst Browse.
Concerned about your footage looking to much video like? Add motion blur in post.
This software is still not M1 Native!
Anyone know how to import custom LUTs into Catalyst?
for sony catalyst stabilize! need steady shot on or off?
I literally explain it in this video. It doesn’t matter anymore with the update. On or off
I was holding out for sonys new cell but hearing their over heating and throttling ....
I want a camera where i can make phone calls with it
a question? does it work with sigma lens?
Yes it does
Does it work with a6700? Thanks
Anyone had any issues with registering with catalyst browse, I’ve tried for two days to and when I enter my email to register and verify it, an email never shows up
Same problem here :(
I forced them to send me the email but opening catalyst prepare and registered there
Black magic has similar stabilization now not just go pro
Finally becoming mainstream, gyro stab is so amazing and I'm surprised it took this long for other cameras besides action cameras to implement it. Red komodo does not have it unfortunately, which is silly considering it's mean to replace gopros in high budget film making. But now if you want to film with a red komodo for aerial shots and stabilise it you need to run the komodo with a gopro on top of it, and then apply the gopro gyro data to the red footage with gyro flow. All cause a 6 thousand dollar camera with no mechanical shutter did not want to include a gyro for 2 bucks.
Hi - Catalyst browse works fine for me in 25fps but as soon as I try 50fps footage I get a really weird shaky result that's even worse than the original - have you tried 50/60fps?
Yeah all the time. The export looks shaky? Or just the preview in the app is shaky
@@LeeZavitz czcams.com/video/9h8JmQ0KUao/video.html
The export is also shaky
Its feb 28th 2023, i was shocked at the footage i took yesterday.
60fps video with 1/120 shutter its.
Good lighting and its 70-200GM.
The footage is wobbling and shaking like anything.
I was checking for youtube and came to this video.
Im testing if my a7iv is broken.
Retested : 24 fps footage is fantastic with gyro.
So shutter speed is the issue.
Brother please do the iphone 14 pro portrait vs sony A7s3 portrait please
I will
Btw When we will get the video 😅
But shutter speed needs to be at least 1/200 for catalyst to work, so it won't look that great on 24p
It’s not ideal shutter speed but it’s not like it’s going to look horrible. You saw all the test footage. Does the faster shutter speed really look bad to you? 99% of people wouldn’t notice
Apparently there is a plug-in for Premiere.
Hello everyone, vertical Clips don't work?
Does CB export the trimmed clip that has been stabilized? I can only export the entire clip
Yeah if you select in and out points it will only export that selection
great thanks for the direction. you must first activate the drop-down export tab @@LeeZavitz
Please make a review video on I phone 14 pro max❤️🙏🏻
I ordered the pro not the pro max. I’ll have some vids on it when I get it :)
about Catalyst not stabilizing 120fps videos, the 1/200 ss limit and the so called 180º cinematic rule, I have an idea/question: can you go PAL and shoot 100fps + 1/200? will CB stabilize 100fps video?
I think it’s just limited to 60p. When you put the camera into 120/100p there is no active stabilization on the camera so it’s clearly some kind of hardware thing
The gyro data from the camera are taken only until 60p.not more
Dose Sony cameras use satellite for stabilisation when i am Underground I get no stabilization icon on Catalyst Browse 2022
No it uses gyro data from the sensor. You might have been shooting in an unsupported frame rate or s&q
Does it work with all manual E-mount lenses now?
As far as I know it still doesn’t work with third party lenses.
@@LeeZavitz it does work with third party lenses with Autofocus. It just doesn’t work with all manual type E-mount lenses. Some people have been able to use it on Sigma E-mount lenses.
It works with any lens that communicates with the camera, it doesn't have to be made by Sony. For manual lenses I would recommend using the free software called Gyroflow . Gyroflow lets you create a custom lens profile for each of your manual lenses. It's overall much better than Catalyst.
hello Lee, I use a graphics card NVIDIA GEFORCE GTX 1060 6GB, I m shooting with a FX30 Sony XAVC S 4K, 25p 1/200 , When I Throw stabilisation in Catalyst Browse free, the graphics card is at 90 and 100%, It ends up crashing, the processor of my motherboard works very well (Intel I7 6850K CPU 3.60GHZ ) Do I have to change graphics card where there is something else, Thank you for your reply
Use all intra and check if its fine.
This s and hs are making the problem.
Yes...if you want to mantain the same focal length yes. Catalyst crop and crop and crop...
Looks great but still not working on the a6400, right? 😪😪
No it doesn’t work on any a6xxx camera. They didn’t introduce it into any camera till the year after
This works also with Sony A7III?
No. It’s Only in the newest cameras released from 2020 till now
Hope make plugin soon
I know. It would be so good
@@LeeZavitz will the plugin be for Final Cut Pro?
possible to use the clips from A6600?
No gyroscope in that one so unfortunately no
No it doesn’t work with that a6xxx cameras unfortunately.
I think if your footage was shot on 10-bit, it'd be output to 8-bit automatically... unless you get the paid ver. This is kinda deal breaker for most, unless they'd resolved this.
Export in Pro res. All pro res codecs are 10 bit.
@@dinoooo.r but that's only available in the paid ver right?
@@macdoctorsg Judging from this video, I see the pro res option... not sure if hes using the paid ver or the free version.
I've been trying to use Catalyst Browse on mac and it will stabilize one clip, and then crash whenever I go to stabilize another clip... so frustrating
Weird. I’ve never had that issue. Have you tried deleting the app and re installing it incase there is some weird glitch?
@@LeeZavitz I sure have, several times. I'm not sure what the problem is! It happens every time!
Is anyone having the fish eye distortion in the middle of the video?
is it just me or can you not install Catalyst Browse on an M1 laptop?
I’ve used it on m1 systems for a long time. I was showing it on the m1 ultra I’ve used it on m1 Mac mini and my m1 MacBook Pro
can you stabilize then export in SLOG 3 265 then grade in davinci
Yeah you are basically exporting the same file just with corrections. There will be a small quality loss due to the processing but you will still have slog3 to work with after
@@LeeZavitz thanks Lee....I want to check this tool out. I want to do movement shots thought of buying a dolly for my tripod but people say that unless you are on a super smooth surface does not work...I am a one man band so the idea of laying tracks on top of lighting, sound etc is out of the question...might try the catalyst tool
Is catalyst browse free ?
DOES THIS WORK WITH A7SII I need the answer ASAP
It will not work
its officially recommended to turn off the IBIS
Does it work for canon
It’s a Sony designed technology for Sony cameras
Does it work on a7iii ?
No, only on the newer Sony cameras From 2020 on