These comments on how the firefighters did a bad job crack me up. Everything in the building on fire was doomed from the start. Everything else seemed to be protected. I'd say the firefighters did a good job on this fire
Retired here, they did a good job, from apparatus placement, water supply organization, staging and exposure protection which is all they could do. From a tactical pov they did everything they could do, and at the end of the day the business next door and Holmes were saved and there were no injuries.
@@lottnio8207 Believe me, I won't. I will not forget about the "expert" commenters. I throw my two cents in but I'm no expert and I admit that. It's just like you said. People need to be more objective
@@rickysea They definitely did a good job. I guess my only observation is why didn't they place a ladder tower or other master stream in the cul der sac? I tend to think that could have helped but I'm not a full time fireman, only a volunteer.
I'll give this FD credit, those adjacent businesses/exposures damned near should've gone up, but the FD did a great job in protecting everything and keeping the fire contained to the original fire building.
LAFD rocks! They saved those businesses and that neighborhood! They kept to that one structure despite several explosions! They definitely saved property and possibly lives. God bless them!
He an on air reporter from a helicopter So he's doing a live on air report that's why he talking so fast. So relax bc he's both flying the helo And doing live reports at the same Time. So cut him a break
Why were there no structure protection crews on the Charlie side of this fire for 30 minutes? Good access and you can hit it to protect exposures there too. A 360 could show that very early on in this fight. Guys on the A side need to stay back from the collapse zone too with so much structure and roof supports compromised................
omg, you learned the word "charlie" uhm, there's no structures in danger on Charlie, block wall. Yeah, the trees that were illegally planted by the homeowner, sure...
Never heard a man talk as fast or it seems with out taking a breath! Certainly the fire commander didn't have the view that we had or he might have used his resources far better .
Unknown? Who said there was unknown chemicals? Oh, the media that never reports anything incorrectly. Maybe the crews on the ground have more information than helicopter man. By the way, the only significant water streams are for exposures. Allowing the fire to burn will consume the hazardous materials.
@@poppiarlin5612 yer, it looked like a controlled burn. Should have had a unit on the back side protecting residential area though. I would have position one there in case of stray cylinder launches. You never know what these lockups store.
Was there no one to notify the firefighters of the other truck that was drenching the truck mates with a ladder instead of throwing the water on the fire? Or when he shot the stream of water to the other side was he also throwing it out of the fire? 🤣🤣
You're exactly right!! I live in NY. No way this would have gone this far. I was amazed that this was only a two alarm fire. In NY this would have quickly gone to five alarms and never would have consumed the entire building! What a joke the LAFD is!!
I watch a lot of both cities. They definitely fight differently, but I've seen good from both. I've seen faster attacks in LA and usually more aerials depending on municipality. Apparently Paramount needs new leadership. In NY I've seen slower attacks as whole but more response from units. I've only seen one video of an incompetent incident commander in NY so far. I haven't seen as many from LA yet, but this is the only one I've seen so far that I'd call incompetent from what we can see here.
it amazes me they concentrate on the main fire water evaporates no good why dont start wide and then move in im sure i could a better job. like one 3 story building fridge smoke all they had to do was throw it out no 30 mins later all 3 storys on fire later they throw fridge over balcony.
Access must of been bad for ladder water placement. Needed at least 2 more above fire streams. Water access and availability might also have been an issue.
good vid to watch but that deck gun was just nuisance. those ladders are great, if only they sent the 3rd one to the cul de sac at the start it would have been brilliant. true surround and drown.
@@johncocca4666 People in single family houses in a neighborhood work with covenants on the land and Homeowners Associations to enforce the covenants. The problem is, they only have control of the properties in the subdivision. So ANYTHING can be built next door or across the street. Some developers were proposing a horse race track across the street from my house on a huge piece of land. With lots of opposition from all the homeowners in subdivisions around that piece of land, the plan got cancelled. Legally there wasn’t a thing anything anyone could do. This was in the unincorporated area outside of Houston, but it is the same inside the city limits. James Michener wrote a book about Texas title, well, Texas. He explains why a lot of things are the way they are in Texas. Sadly, it was written before the GOP took over EVERY elected state office. The section on Houston is insightful.
LAFD needs to get equipment like we have in Chicago using Tower trucks, Trucks with built in ladders and Squads with baskets to fight all the big buildings from above. Quints are ok but use up too much room where you can add 2-3 trucks next to each other and fight multiple angles without any blind spots.
I’m with you, but I saw an explanation that LA County use to have Snorkels, but had one tip over once many years ago so they got away from them. They don’t like prepiped water ways on aerials due to they have damaged some, probably from putting aerial to a building. They like the tiller units for maneuvering in the rural sections they cover.
WOWW! You can see the fire eating away the roof of the building, moving its way forward as if it were molten lava... Something contained in there was highly flammable...
roof on these is pretty much tar sprayed on them then sometimes small stones like gravel layed over it or big roll of asphalt shingle type material all burn very well
I'll bet Mr. Tool guy wasa happy camper it didn't spread to his place. Just that little space separating the 2 walls and all that water kept if from happening.
Those explosions were most likely propane cylinders used for forklifts. If not propane then some other type of compressed gas. Definitely BLEVE explosions. Glad no one was injured. Pretty cool fire scene.
Now that will probably be another business moving to Texas. On the news last week they said over eighty-six thousand people moved to Texas from California in 2018.
That one fire fighter sucks he literally was over shooting the water at the fire truck then he was shooting it into the tree and then on the other side of the businesses roof everything else except the fire
That is the point. Firefighters aren't there to eradicate a large industrial fire like this. Water takes heat away from the fire as the water turns into steam and water vapor. This gives the surrounding area a cooling effect and a lesser chance of bursting into flames. All about controlling it from spreading everywhere like some city forest fire. When the fire is contained it will eventually run out of material to burn and die out, as the reporter keeps referring to.
Ever crawl through a blazing hallway with barely any vision like these guys? Didn’t think so, don’t criticize people who put their lives on the line to save countless strangers everyday
I am unable to view the above link from here in the UK. Please understand that the UK is no longer part of the European Economic Area and stop blocking us !
Deck gun on the pumper doing absolutely nothing worthwhile, other than watering someone yard on the other side of the fire, and washing down the tiller truck.
I wasn't overly impressed with whoever was incident commander on this one. I've seen better staging from them before. I fully admit that we're getting into this midstream and cannot see what's on the ground. So before anyone rips me on that I already know that much. But it seemed to me that assets weren't fully utilized or staged correctly. It seemed that too many key assets didn't get into the fight fast enough. Just my humble opinion from what this footage shows.
Chief Daryl Osby at Staion 31 is the guy you want to talk to. Stop on by, with only 37 years of experience, he'd love to pick your brain on any subject related to fire fighting. He's eager to learn!
@@cluckhead1913 37 years experience, means this man is old enough to be my dad. I'd loove, to give him my two sense! Seriously, when a person has experience in a particular field, or on a particular subject, there exist the real possibility of them becoming complaicient or over confident.
There was nothing wrong with what IC commander did. Who knows why the second aerial didn’t get there in time. He also can’t take water from same water main to feed all the lines that are being used. Establishing a second water supply may have caused a delay in second aerial. My only critique of this fire is the first master stream application. When you see a master stream being moved around back and forth like it’s an 1 3/4 line, you are missing the whole purpose of the master stream application. Its about penetration, the master stream is used to get passed the flames and BTU’s being given off by the fire and penetrate to the vapor level where polymerization is taking place, you are getting the GPM let the stream penetrate and you will get conversion. Moving the master stream around at a conflagration doesn’t do anything because the flames and BTU’s can easily evaporate the water.
are there any zoning laws here ? How are there houses butted up against a fence separating it from a warehouse or business storing flammable and explosive materials ?! 3rd world or California.
So where is the protection on the C side of the structure? Tiller sitting on the main road should be on the C side with an engine. That's California for you?
I would expect far better from the LA County Fire Dept. They have a cul d sac right behind the structure and there is no one operating in there. Easy access for suppression, easy to protect exposures and it took till well into the incident to get companies back there.. That deck gun on E 148 is useless. Disappointing.
… there are situations when “retreat and let it burn” is the SAFEST option. When I promoted to Engine Company Officer, I vowed that I would NEVER tell the family that “He Gave His Life in a Valiant Defense of an Empty Structure”.
These comments on how the firefighters did a bad job crack me up. Everything in the building on fire was doomed from the start. Everything else seemed to be protected. I'd say the firefighters did a good job on this fire
Retired here, they did a good job, from apparatus placement, water supply organization, staging and exposure protection which is all they could do. From a tactical pov they did everything they could do, and at the end of the day the business next door and Holmes were saved and there were no injuries.
Don’t forget that commenters are experts of all field and sit in a armchair that allows perfect and objective view to everything.
@@lottnio8207 Believe me, I won't. I will not forget about the "expert" commenters. I throw my two cents in but I'm no expert and I admit that. It's just like you said. People need to be more objective
@@rickysea They definitely did a good job. I guess my only observation is why didn't they place a ladder tower or other master stream in the cul der sac? I tend to think that could have helped but I'm not a full time fireman, only a volunteer.
WOW......don't provide any structure protection for the homes on the 'C' side. And thank the guy on the deck gun for washing the truck company.
20 minutes before you see a 2nd ladder company and who knows how long it was burning before this video came on line.
Yep water water Everywhere except on in the fire
Truck number 31 pretty much saved the day. The nozzle man on top the ladder deserves an award. 🥇👍
Definitely. Buy that man a beer.
I'll give this FD credit, those adjacent businesses/exposures damned near should've gone up, but the FD did a great job in protecting everything and keeping the fire contained to the original fire building.
Thank you Firemen you did a great job.
The cinder blocks between the buildings make for a great fire wall.
LAFD rocks! They saved those businesses and that neighborhood! They kept to that one structure despite several explosions! They definitely saved property and possibly lives. God bless them!
Yep. we have a great FD.
And this is why commercial and residential zones don't belong anywhere near each other. They just got lucky the homes didn't catch fire... this time.
21 minutes in; reporter finally shuts up (or lost his voice!)
He lost it much earlier for me because I muted him about 8 minutes in. Then I enjoyed the footage.
Your not alone in thinking that, as for the fire fighting, didn't appear that the commander had a good as view as we did ! From the UK stay safe .
Bad reporter. He is the worst as I guess
He an on air reporter from a helicopter
So he's doing a live on air report that's why he talking so fast. So relax bc he's both flying the helo
And doing live reports at the same
Time. So cut him a break
Amazing future training film, especially the ladder truck with active nozzle
The fire pretty much burned itself out. Protecting the exposures was the best move.
I saw it live in front of us and it exploded when I said mom I dint want it to explode and boom exploded lol
Who ever said news reporters had to talk 24/7?
The more they talk, the less the say.
Much appreciate for the riskiest and quicker firefighters
There was actually 4 large explosions!
Why were there no structure protection crews on the Charlie side of this fire for 30 minutes? Good access and you can hit it to protect exposures there too. A 360 could show that very early on in this fight. Guys on the A side need to stay back from the collapse zone too with so much structure and roof supports compromised................
omg, you learned the word "charlie" uhm, there's no structures in danger on Charlie, block wall. Yeah, the trees that were illegally planted by the homeowner, sure...
What a mess !! If those trees got on fire..... Waiting 30 minutes on a roof and no water? Starters.
lol if you say so chief ratliff
Do you mean the same side and corner where the EXPLOSIONS were taking place? HMMM? Maybe because things were EXPLODING inside???
why did they not hire a 70+ IQ mammal do the f''king zoning in this area?
Why is there no sound? I saw this with sound anyone have the other link?
any reason why the charlie side cula-sac wasn't utilized for protection or even a ladder pipe from that direction?
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Never heard a man talk as fast or it seems with out taking a breath! Certainly the fire commander didn't have the view that we had or he might have used his resources far better .
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Good to see all the unknown chemicals and run-off flowed into the storm water drains
Unknown? Who said there was unknown chemicals? Oh, the media that never reports anything incorrectly.
Maybe the crews on the ground have more information than helicopter man.
By the way, the only significant water streams are for exposures. Allowing the fire to burn will consume the hazardous materials.
@@poppiarlin5612 yer, it looked like a controlled burn. Should have had a unit on the back side protecting residential area though. I would have position one there in case of stray cylinder launches. You never know what these lockups store.
Was there no one to notify the firefighters of the other truck that was drenching the truck mates with a ladder instead of throwing the water on the fire? Or when he shot the stream of water to the other side was he also throwing it out of the fire? 🤣🤣
I think that hose shooting over the building is to keep the structures (homes) from igniting.
Wow my left ear enjoyed this
FDNY would have had 7 Towers up but not LA they only use one Tiller and one Engine company 😂
You're exactly right!! I live in NY. No way this would have gone this far. I was amazed that this was only a two alarm fire. In NY this would have quickly gone to five alarms and never would have consumed the entire building! What a joke the LAFD is!!
I watch a lot of both cities. They definitely fight differently, but I've seen good from both. I've seen faster attacks in LA and usually more aerials depending on municipality. Apparently Paramount needs new leadership. In NY I've seen slower attacks as whole but more response from units. I've only seen one video of an incompetent incident commander in NY so far. I haven't seen as many from LA yet, but this is the only one I've seen so far that I'd call incompetent from what we can see here.
Bravo for protecting tool company and surrounding homes
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Bru it was my first day of school and I saw the fire and we said there’s a carne asada and they didn’t invite us
461-YAO 👈🏾
need to triangulate with 3 aerial streams front/rear/side (which was possible) IMMEDIATELY not 30 minutes into the fight
Agree 💯👍
it amazes me they concentrate on the main fire water evaporates no good
why dont start wide and then move in
im sure i could a better job. like one 3 story building fridge smoke all they had to do was throw it out no 30 mins later all 3 storys on fire later they throw fridge over balcony.
@@raypitts4880 then why dont you lmao
Did the tires catch fire? They’re hard to extinguish.
Access must of been bad for ladder water placement. Needed at least 2 more above fire streams. Water access and availability might also have been an issue.
There's a hydrant about 40 feet to the left of the building.
must have* or must've (which sounds like must of)
I never knew this happened
Wow Zero protection for the homes in the back, until the last moments!??
Why was there no truck back there??
good vid to watch but that deck gun was just nuisance. those ladders are great, if only they sent the 3rd one to the cul de sac at the start it would have been brilliant. true surround and drown.
The fires out basically we better be getting a ladder to the backside of the building?
Silly fire department!
Where are you pouring water?
Are you playing with the water?
I thought I was watching a Houston, TX fire with an industrial business right next to expensive homes. No zoning AT ALL in Houston.
oh there is zoning, it's just poorly done :)
@@oneshoeshort No. Houston has no zoning. I did a college term paper on it. The largest city in the US with no land use regulations.
How DO they do it?
@@johncocca4666 People in single family houses in a neighborhood work with covenants on the land and Homeowners Associations to enforce the covenants. The problem is, they only have control of the properties in the subdivision. So ANYTHING can be built next door or across the street. Some developers were proposing a horse race track across the street from my house on a huge piece of land. With lots of opposition from all the homeowners in subdivisions around that piece of land, the plan got cancelled. Legally there wasn’t a thing anything anyone could do. This was in the unincorporated area outside of Houston, but it is the same inside the city limits. James Michener wrote a book about Texas title, well, Texas. He explains why a lot of things are the way they are in Texas. Sadly, it was written before the GOP took over EVERY elected state office. The section on Houston is insightful.
LAFD needs to get equipment like we have in Chicago using Tower trucks, Trucks with built in ladders and Squads with baskets to fight all the big buildings from above. Quints are ok but use up too much room where you can add 2-3 trucks next to each other and fight multiple angles without any blind spots.
This is LA County FD not LAFD
I’m with you, but I saw an explanation that LA County use to have Snorkels, but had one tip over once many years ago so they got away from them. They don’t like prepiped water ways on aerials due to they have damaged some, probably from putting aerial to a building. They like the tiller units for maneuvering in the rural sections they cover.
WOWW! You can see the fire eating away the roof of the building, moving its way forward as if it were molten lava... Something contained in there was highly flammable...
May be the asphalt roofing itself burning.
roof on these is pretty much tar sprayed on them then sometimes small stones like gravel layed over it or big roll of asphalt shingle type material all burn very well
Jeez..can you imagine living with this guy?
I bet he is "Fun" at parties 💤
NO THANKS... lol
he could call two hockey games in simultaneity.
Tv 5 Narrator is ad living some
Il fait quoi le deuxième camion avec son petit jet il arrose les jardins des voisins ?
Hard to watch the home exposure in the back. And the over spay.
One way to get your lawn watered.
@@jimwhitsett4736 the only thing the master stream was doing was adding to the humidity in the air. It wasn't putting out any of the fire.
it was going to hit the outside wall or go over
I know this fire happened fast but the firefighters took control asap.
Why wasnt that second Tower placed at back of scene?
It’s LACFD they have no idea on what there doing
It took the second tower ages to get into the fight. By the time they did, 80% of the structure was gone.
Only one ladder truck available ?
Serious ductwork connected to,tiny AC units
I'll bet Mr. Tool guy wasa happy camper it didn't spread to his place. Just that little space separating the 2 walls and all that water kept if from happening.
Thanks for letting me know about Paramount still works though.
Those explosions were most likely propane cylinders used for forklifts. If not propane then some other type of compressed gas. Definitely BLEVE explosions. Glad no one was injured. Pretty cool fire scene.
could also have been asceteline.
Didn't see anyone walking about with a hook in their hand, was it their day off?
Was the rest of the Fire Department ON Vacation?
Is anyone sitting at home shaking there head at the Fire Fighter who’s spraying that water up and over the building hitting houses 2 blocks away 😂
Now that will probably be another business moving to Texas. On the news last week they said over eighty-six thousand people moved to Texas from California in 2018.
Good Grief!! Was there a water problem? Are these firefighters actually firefighters??
That one fire fighter sucks he literally was over shooting the water at the fire truck then he was shooting it into the tree and then on the other side of the businesses roof everything else except the fire
That is the point. Firefighters aren't there to eradicate a large industrial fire like this. Water takes heat away from the fire as the water turns into steam and water vapor. This gives the surrounding area a cooling effect and a lesser chance of bursting into flames. All about controlling it from spreading everywhere like some city forest fire. When the fire is contained it will eventually run out of material to burn and die out, as the reporter keeps referring to.
Ever crawl through a blazing hallway with barely any vision like these guys? Didn’t think so, don’t criticize people who put their lives on the line to save countless strangers everyday
You have a calming voice to listen to.
What happened to the deck gun?
just my uneducated opinion, but it kinda looks like they’re having major water pressure problems across the board
Previous video, charge the city with a massive pollution fine
This reporter sounds like he`s on a clock. Does he have a job reading the small print on adds on the T.V. ( SPEED READING )
He probably had a shock collar which went off when there was no sound coming from him for more than a second! I muted the sound.
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I am unable to view the above link from here in the UK.
Please understand that the UK is no longer part of the European Economic Area and stop blocking us !
I think that engine had an acting engineer that day...
Which one? This seemed true for several of them.
Surprised people working right next door didn’t move their cars or come outside.
A lot of whats burning is probably an asphalt roof that caved in
Are they after ins
what's going on with the other ladder truck
that deck gun hit every building, truck and person there, BUT never got water on the actual fire. classic.
A+ To the architect and city for using prefab and not the crap mostly seen in Murica
Deck gun on the pumper doing absolutely nothing worthwhile, other than watering someone yard on the other side of the fire, and washing down the tiller truck.
The guy forgot that it’s not a sport event he talk about…..
I wasn't overly impressed with whoever was incident commander on this one. I've seen better staging from them before. I fully admit that we're getting into this midstream and cannot see what's on the ground. So before anyone rips me on that I already know that much. But it seemed to me that assets weren't fully utilized or staged correctly. It seemed that too many key assets didn't get into the fight fast enough. Just my humble opinion from what this footage shows.
Chief Daryl Osby at Staion 31 is the guy you want to talk to. Stop on by, with only 37 years of experience, he'd love to pick your brain on any subject related to fire fighting. He's eager to learn!
I'm sure he's heartbroken that you're not impressed.
@@cluckhead1913 37 years experience, means this man is old enough to be my dad. I'd loove, to give him my two sense!
Seriously, when a person has experience in a particular field, or on a particular subject, there exist the real possibility of them becoming complaicient or over confident.
Jj*
There was nothing wrong with what IC commander did. Who knows why the second aerial didn’t get there in time. He also can’t take water from same water main to feed all the lines that are being used. Establishing a second water supply may have caused a delay in second aerial. My only critique of this fire is the first master stream application. When you see a master stream being moved around back and forth like it’s an 1 3/4 line, you are missing the whole purpose of the master stream application.
Its about penetration, the master stream is used to get passed the flames and BTU’s being given off by the fire and penetrate to the vapor level where polymerization is taking place, you are getting the GPM let the stream penetrate and you will get conversion. Moving the master stream around at a conflagration doesn’t do anything because the flames and BTU’s can easily evaporate the water.
are there any zoning laws here ? How are there houses butted up against a fence separating it from a warehouse or business storing flammable and explosive materials ?! 3rd world or California.
Real story how it started
So where is the protection on the C side of the structure? Tiller sitting on the main road should be on the C side with an engine. That's California for you?
1 line is better than none
Do you seriously believe what you just wrote?
that announcer mentioned that the 2nd alarm was struck when it was 3/4 burnt, i believe i would have requested soon after the inital crews arrived...
Reporter: "This is an active fire"
Fire: Yawns......
Holy Smoke.
What a loss!
How else from paramount. Lmao
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Why isn’t there a ladder truck in the back of the building protected those houses and the back of the fire%??
there was one arriving when it was nearly over @21:10
They had a perfect spot at the end of the cul-de-sac. I bet a hydrant was close, too.
The fire was delivered on perpes
I would expect far better from the LA County Fire Dept. They have a cul d sac right behind the structure and there is no one operating in there. Easy access for suppression, easy to protect exposures and it took till well into the incident to get companies back there.. That deck gun on E 148 is useless. Disappointing.
We’re the rest busy filming station 19. Where is the rest of the department?
Should always be a Firewall. It's Code here.
All firefighters do a great job
Building was rebuilt sometime in 2020. (Google Earth Pro historical imagery).
The fire fighters really did a good job containing that fire. 👏👏👏
Really? I thought they should have had 5 hoses on it.
Did you watch the same video as the rest of us, or were you intending to comment on another video and got this one by mistake?
How do you fight the fire 🔥
Stand back let burn out
… there are situations when “retreat and let it burn” is the SAFEST option.
When I promoted to Engine Company Officer, I vowed that I would NEVER tell the family that “He Gave His Life in a Valiant Defense of an Empty Structure”.
3:18 Ya know OUUUUU!!! There it is. LOL
It’s funny, three years later and the satellite shot still shows the building intact.
“Diana’s Flowers” shop.
Welcome to our hurricane season.
So 😢
LA has the hardest working firefighters!
If you count watching a fire burn as work then yes.
Where the structure protection
The IC missed that day in class
@@2countries1god haha true
SAD NEWS FROM A TOWN I REMEMBER FONDLY FROM 1960'S USE TO HAVE A ICE SKATING RINK
Grata do you see that?!
I don't get it.... it looks like the FD only had one ladder in the air spraying water.... should have had a least 4 in my opinion...
They needed more water on this from the start.
Need start calling the psychic hot line to see when these fires are going to start.
wow..