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Neve 1073 ｜ Most OVERRATED preamp ever!!?? ｜ Pt.2 ｜ Neve/Stam/AML/GAP｜ Comparison｜
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- čas přidán 13. 08. 2024
- Today we're going to listen to a comparison between a Neve 1272 Vintage original and various popular clones. I bounced a total of 6 stems through each of the preamps and then did a stereo mixdown. You can download the stems and the stereo mix down below.
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Preamps used:
Neve 1272 vintage (modded)
Golden Age premier 73 DLX
Aml Ez1073 (rack version)
Stam 1073 (sowter output)
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00:00 Introduction
01:25 Test Information
02:31 Full mix Comparison
04:46 Loop Test Comparison
05:20 Conclusion & Outro
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Sorry for the clickbait 🙈 But I thought I'd do a series trying out various Neve style preamps.
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no actual 1073s were used in either video. All clones.
Now THAT is how a comparison is done!
Awesome
I always watch your videos with 1.5X speed. 😅
If I don't hear no difference, should I stop doing music? :D
Yes
Nice video and well structured comparison! I just got my GAP Premier DLX a couple of weeks ago and run it into an RME interface, so I kind of have best of both worlds referring also to your Hallelujah video ;-)
So I actually did download the stems and had a listen in my studio. Very interesting! I mainly compared the Neve and the GAP, since I have the GAP, and (with the risk of being called a snake oil-corksniffer) I feel that the Neve has some sort of clarity in the high register that gives the sound a slightly more open feel. The most noticeable difference I though hear in the lower registers, especially on the more intense drum parts and the "chagga-chagga" guitar parts. It's like there's something more responsive in the dynamics of the Neve. It's not easy to tell if I listen to the full mix, but soloing the individual stems there is something... And it gives the Neve a more full, "fleshy" and 3D kind of quality. And now is the time that you tell me that all tracks are the same... :-D
It's so great to hear a comparison video with great music. Bravo. hard to tell the diff when the music sucks :)
Excellent mix
1073N vs the 1073 mic pre EQ vintage built .....Christian which one would you choose?
Great comparison as always. I think the AML could have been driven a bit harder in order to render higher saturation levels and in the process gain more presence. What exactly is the ITB ?
Thanks! Yeah on certain mics I really like to drive Neve. Especially on 251 mics! What do you mean with ITB (In the box) question? Thanks for watching!
@@Christian_svedin thanks ! On electric guitar the AML offers quite some thumb I noticed after downloading the files.
Very nice test. If you would have been able to include the BAE as well, than the test would have been all all inclusive.
Cool test and you're an awesome musician.
Those guitars sound awesome. Can you share the signal chain? Thanks!
Peavey JSX, Mesa 2x12 and probably an sm57 and a km84. Real amp 👍
Sorry to burst your bubble here man, but the 1272 is NOT a 1073, the closer comparison would have been with a 1290 and the clones. The 1272 was Neve's Bus amp in his vintage consoles. I don't know anyone making an exact clone of that unit, but the comparison should have been either between Neve line preamps and these clones or just do it between the clones, but they weren't made for bus duties like the 1272 and the way you used them here, in your comparison, these were just line preamps used for single instrument tracking.
Thanks! I'm aware of this that's why I also pointed that out in the video. A modded 1272 should practically be the same as a 1290 up to 50dbs of gain?
@@Christian_svedin No-no, the approx 50dbs amp limit is where your modded 1272 would sound close or almost identical to the 1272 Neve used on the console, but above that it will have a different sound to the original, and that's because your 1272 is wired after an interpretation of how Neve would have done it, but it isn't identical, which affects the end result. The only true way to compare is side by side with the unit inside the vintage console, but even that one will be serviced and re-serviced, recapped and probably many components changed because they stopped producing them as the decades passed and they gradually became obsolete.
@@Christian_svedin try comparing it with this, it would still be closer than with the line preamps there: www.baeaudio.com/products/1272-module
Liked the 1272 a lot, and I think the STAM was my favorite.
I thought the GAP sounded interesting, definitely 'good' and adding something. Also definitely (subjectively) inferior to the other two.
AML sounded like shit, which shocked me, as AML is highly regarded, and the only name on this list other than Neve that I have respect for.
Great comparison, thanks! :)
I do like the GAP. It is cleaner which is sometimes just right. The saturation doesn't sound grainy or bad either. Def best bang for the buck. I don't own the Stam so it would take some more time to really get a definite opinion. The 1272 is very nice ofc! Yeah sold the AML heh.. Thanks for watching ✌️
i like the neve the most, seemed to have a bit more dynamics. i found the itb and stam to be the realy close even tho i liked the itb a bit more. didn't like the other two as much, tone wise they were good but i found the dynamics to be a bit lacking
Thanx for comparison!
For me Neve is winner in terms of vibe, overall balance, and some nice musical air, in lack of better words.
I hoped Gap will be closer haha
Agree with you, it's not bad either! Maybe that's why I've made some good cuts on them 😇
1272 and Stam!!
Have you tried the BAE?? and what are your opinions on it compared to the Neve??
Sorry I haven't. Only used the GApremier 73 DLX, AML and my Neve 1272 original
BAE is darker and a bit thicker than the NEVE
@@muhammadghur true dat
When the gap & 1272 came on, you heard better low end, the rest sounds thinner.
Nice comparison.
A single gain stage pre amp meant for a line level, 1272, vs the three gain stages of a 1073 clone? Not a very fair comparison, and yes the 1073 is pretty overrated although great on mono sources but narrow when used on stereo source.
Good video. FYI, the correct pronounciation for Geoff is "Jeff."
That’s not a proper test. You should have recorded all of the instruments using the different mic pre amps for a more accurate comparison.
They all sound the same. I defy anyone to do a blind test on this one
Sadly (for all the people who can`t afford it) the Neve blew all the clones away......I own the GA Pre-73, still a good preamp.
The song is very very good, that's you singing?
Nope it's a friend. Great rock Singer!
@@Christian_svedin seems like CZcams is full with more independent talent than major crap they play on radio. Anyway back to the shootout, either my hearing is shot or they all sound incredibly close, its hard to tell a difference but 1272 does have a slight edge
@@zanem9022 yeah there's definitely good music out there! Yeah the 1272 has a slight edge but clones are great. I like the GAP, and If you check my GAP 73 dlx episode there is a small comparison to my Neve 1272 there too! ✌️
@@Christian_svedin u didnt like the stams?
@@zanem9022 sure but I don't like their business model. My friend who I borrowed it from waited 2y+ for his. It's not like it is blowing up the competition
A 1272 is not a 1290. IMO the 1272 can be magic. It has more mojo than the 1290.
less gain stages, it has one as opposed to three
Wow! 1272 sounds like a record. ITB sounds 2nd best the rest sounds dirty and cloudy\smeary. Song is Killer!
Aml is the most overrated mic pre. So unbalanced sound and there is too much 800hz - 1khz . I will not be surprised that many people on Gearslutz praise it, because of endorsement and free gear. Same goes for Avedis and so on.
Yeah that was why I did the Pt1. I couldn't believe how colored it was. Especially like you said around 800-1000hz. Now I've come around and generally like the Neve sound. The original and the GAP is great!
AML is hit and miss for me, but Avedis makes amazing gear. I own multiple products and nothing has ever failed on me. The sound is top notch. I have no clue how anyone can hate on Avedis. The guy builds quality stuff.