Hi ! Thanks for reviewing this one. That's the backpack I took on more than 800kms in Nepal, and I was never disappointed by it. I weighed it at 1284g with the lid, and 1150g without. As you mentionned the brain is very big, and i'm not sure, but out of the 48L, probably 8L are just for the brain. It's not in the ultralightweight category, but very resistant to abrasions and rips, especially where it matters (bottom is very tough, whole bag's nylon is quite thick) therefore it hasn't suffered of anything, just a tiny hole in the front mesh pocket, but it didn't create a bigger one or ripped completely. I had about 10kg inside the bag the whole time and it felt amazingly comfortable and i never had (too much) sweat on my back. I found it a little bit difficult sometimes to pack, as the bottom section is way wider than the top, leading in an odd shape sometimes, and it naturally sits "high", meaning that it comes all the way behind your head, so if packed too much, it can cause loss of balance a bit. For the creaking, it was more of a squeaking on my side, and I realised it was often the brain being too tight or touching the plastic buckles where it's attached. I put duct tape inside the buckles where the straps touch, and it was a bit better. And I agree with the side straps. As much as they are very useful to tighten your bag (especially when it's not 100% full) and make such a difference in comfort, taking out and putting back in a water bottle from the side pouches is a nightmare. I had a platypus pouch, easy to take out, nearly impossible to put back in without help or putting down your bag. This is by far the most frustrating part for me, I was almost tempted to cut tiny holes into the mesh pocket to let the strap go inside and let the strap sit around the pack, leaving the mesh pocket free, but was afraid I'd mess it up and creating a hole that'd only get bigger later one. I ended up using only my hydration bladder inside, which thanks to the tiny black strap inside the bag (Pro #11), it is well suspended and does'nt pull you down. Same as the red strap on top who can compress everything, (Pro #12), but these two are now well known in Osprey's range. Overall it is a very nice product, I think I could have had just the 38L (the 48 is very wide and I was surprised with how much things you can put in, but was almost too big for hikes without camping gear), and as much as I like having the blue color, the gray is a bit more discreet, and would probably remain cleaner.
Hi Jérôme, thank you for sharing your experiences at length here. I've pinned your comment so that everyone else can read your long-term thoughts. It sounds like you believe that the 38 litre version could have been big enough for you, which is exactly what I thought the first time I packed mine. The weight difference between the 38 and 48 is so small that I think I'm satisfied that the 48 is a good choice, and I've even been able to use mine for some winter camps (I normally use a 65 litre pack). I like that you added two more "Pro" points of your own! 😁 Thanks, James.
Cheers! Do you have the same one as me then, with the hip belt pockets? Massive weight saving over the Atmos, and might even work for most of my winter camps 👌
@@joinmeoutdoors .. I managed last winter with it, if I can’t fit it in then I don’t need it, keeps me disciplined as my huge pack I would just keep ramming stuff in till it was full
@@BulldogBadger Yeah I know exactly what you mean about that now, having just done a cold weather camp (last night) with my Exos 48 for the first time. I'm struggle to think what I was even putting in my 65 litre pack now - and I didn't even have a drone back then! 🤣
Thanks for the good review. I was comparing it to the previous generation Exos 48 and noticed that with the side compression straps the previous model had holes in the side pockets so you could either compress outside the side pockets or within the side pockets (hence easy access to side pockets). It also didn't attach the the waist pockets (as it didn't have any). Looks like this was an area they changed by design for some reason - probably easier to manufacture.
Hi, and thanks for your insight. It would be interesting to hear their reasons behind the changes (e.g. customer feedback, manufacturability etc) wouldn't it? I'm sure there's also a pressure simply to "make changes" from year to year, just so that products appear to be evolving. Thanks, James.
yes - those holes in the compression side pockets - most people didn't realise you could undo and re feed the side straps though. I would be surprised if they aren't on this new bag.
I've removed the side tensioning straps, no use to man or beast 😊, mine doesn't creak. My old exos did, and yes it's caused by the tension on the frame. Brilliant backpack 👍
The side pockets and front panel are great features that are really lacking on my current pack, I have pretty much zero external storage on my pack which is a real pain, an upgrade is truly needed I believe, may have to add this to the Christmas list 😊
Yes between the side pockets, large stretchy front pocket and the lid, I probably gain over 5 litres of storage! Ideally you'd take all your gear to a shop and see if you can fit it all into a rucksack before buying, I suppose. I don't know if they allow that?
This is the third version of the Exos 48 that I own. Bought it because of the reintroduction of the hip belt pockets. Wish that I hadn't. After 800 miles of use, let me add to your list of negatives... 1. As a thru-hiker, the first thing I always do with this pack is remove the brain and use the "flap-jacket". On this version, the flap-jacket is the size of a jock strap, resulting in pooling of water. It is impractical to use and has forced me to keep the brain and accept the weight penalty. 2. The zippers on the hip belt pockets are tough to close even with 2 hands. 3. As you pointed out, the side compression straps synch down on the outside of the side pockets. This makes the simple and frequent task of getting a water bottle difficult. The previous version of the pack had holes in the side pockets where you could run the straps through instead. This version does not. I'm guessing that it is because the straps tie into the hip belt pockets, which is a terrible design in itself. 4. The hook and ladder torso adjustment is a big fail. I ended up riveting them in place because I got sick of hearing them click whenever I had a steep climb. I also own a Rook. It has a great torso adjustment system, which they should have applied to this pack. I will forever love the Osprey packs because of their trampoline suspension system. However, I really wish they would stop taking 1 step forward and 2 steps back when they introduce new versions of the Exos.
Thanks for those additions, David. Now that summer is over, I've reverted to lining my rucksack with a large dry bag, so I wouldn't necessarily notice water pooling on the top flap like that. Also, I weighed the brain when I first got the rucksack, and it's so very light that I've already decided that I'll pretty much always leave it attached. I know what you mean about the hip belt pockets zippers. I think they'd be easier to use if they didn't open as far, and if the pockets were stiffer and held their shape better, but those two changes would reduce the opening size and add weight, so I think I'd rather settle for the slightly tricky operation as a compromise. I know that others have fallen out with the ladder system, so you're not alone there, and a few people have commented on Osprey making some good model tweaks while also making some irritating changes at the same time. Perhaps they need 100 customers on a committee each time they want to make changes, then we could influence what happens! Thank you for such a comprehensive insight 👍 James.
@@joinmeoutdoors wasn't the model before the one before this the best version, the first out of the last three models I'm on about that comes in a green and black with hip belt pockets. Most people seem to say this was the best Exos they made it was also about 250-300 grams lighter. I have the model before the one on here without the pockets. I have cut of all the tension strap and also anything else I don't use, I like the use of it without the brain top too. Its comfy but squeaks
@@wad6216 I suppose everyone has their own opinion of which is the best one! I haven't used the first two versions, but as you say, the second version was released without the hip belt pockets, which possibly makes it the least popular version of the three. I think this latest version looks more modern, not that looks are overly important!
Hi. Thanks for the comment! The side compression straps can be removed, yes. They are not stitched to the bag, so you could pass each strap through the plastic buckle at each end and remove it.
A good review buddy, clear, concise and informative 👌 👍. I think some people are just too fussy, I hold my hands up, im one of them haha, the hip straps on my atmos, as you own yourself are way to long, they do annoy me sometimes, but I've managed to live with it and just tuck them away 😊
Thank you, Richard. I'm right there with you on the 'fussy' front! The Atmos has that handy little secret stowing pocket doesn't it? Really useful for tucking the loose strap ends into. No such option on the Exos though. A first world problem, for sure!
@@joinmeoutdoors you mean behind the hip pockets? I just had to check and I never knew about that until now, thanks for the tip, it's only took me 6 months to find out 😮😅
Like others have commented below the hip belt pocket zip are a pain to close while wearing the back. I've found that by adding a longer cord to the zip that can be reached by the opposite hand & holding the rear of the pocket with the closest hand they can be closed easily. I can't reach the cord directly with my opposite hand but pass it across with my nearest hand if that makes sense!
That made perfect sense to me. Very well described, and a good, simple way of making those pockets a bit more user-friendly. Thanks for sharing that. I may well give that a go! 😊 James.
Great review, thank you! I'm in the process of buying a new backpack, the choice comes down between Exos and Kestrel. After a couple of your video I'm probably going to buy the Exos, the light weight is a key factor for me. Now, my only doubt is about the size, 48L or 58L. So my question is, for a trekking trip of 7/10 days, which one would you pick?
Thanks Paolo, and I'm glad my videos helped you. Your question about size is a difficult one. I say this because my wild camping (1 night) pack weights vary from about 10 kg in summer to about 20 kg in winter, so it depends what time of year you'll be hiking, if you're taking a tent, if you need to carry all of your food etc. The weight difference between the 48 and 58 isn't all that much, so you could just go for the 58 and remove the top section if you desperately wanted to save 50-100 grams or so and didn't need that volume?
Thanks for your detailed review! The only packs I have used have been British Bergens and they are god-awful. I think this is a great compromise in many ways
Thanks Winstan! The Bergens look mighty, but weighty to boot. I have just successfully used the Exos 48 to carry over 19 kg comfortably around the Brecon Beacons in winter, as well as using it for sub-10 kg summer camps. I'm very happy with it 😊
Thanks. Ref straps - I feed the side straps inside the side mesh pockets rather than on the outside. That stops the straps obstructing anything you might put into the side mesh pockets. :)
Hi Imran. That's a really good idea. I think those straps really annoy some people, so this might improve things for them. I'll have to try it out and maybe demonstrate it in a video some time. Thanks for watching 👍 James.
Just bought one from Go Outdoors (great price!!), but unfortunately the delivered the s/m instead of l/xl. I’m torn between needing the 48 or the 58 for 1/2 nights on Dartmoor/Exmoor with my 7yo son (carrying most of his stuff too).
Yes I saw that Go Outdoors have them at an uncomfortably good price now! 🤣 That's unfortunate about the sizing error, but you can hopefully sort that soon. I imagine you would need the 58 litre for two of you for two nights - and even that pack would probably be pretty loaded up! I think I'd probably order the 58 litre pack and then have a careful trial load-up at home to see if it was big enough/too big, with the option of returning it if the size didn't work out.
i have just bought one, it arrived today so haven’t tested out yet but something caught my attention, inside at the top of the main compartment there is a backward facing zipper with no “handle” seems its either a redundant construction thing or do i have a defective bag?
1.) Cut the belt straps and heat seal the ends 2.) Double wrap the side straps around one of the D rings for independent adjustability. If that tent in the background is your solo tent may I suggest looking into Tarptent tents. They have several very well designed solo tents. ALL of their double wall tents are designed to be set up with the inner tent already attached to the fly. 1.) faster setup 2.) inner never gets wet setting up or taking down in the rain. * I have a 3 season Notch Li and a "mostly for winter" Moment DW with the optional Crossing Pole shortened 5 inches and run under the fly for more stability in wind and heavy, wet snow load.
Thanks for the suggestions, Eric. I did have a good look at Tarptent before buying my Terra Nova Southern Cross 1, as I was interested in the Scarp 1 originally. I agree that there are some really good features there, but I saw and heard too many negatives for me to push the button. All but one of my double wall tents (the OEX Phoxx II, which I don't use) pitch inner and outer together - anything else is just a pain! I'm glad you've found some tents that work for you. The quest for the unicorn tent of perfection continues! 😉 ATB, James.
Good review!. Im surprised that Osprey still hasnt fixed the creaking sound on this pack. It was already an issue in older models that I owned, and even the new aura pack of my wife has that issue. Very annoying. Never encountered it on other brands though… i was planning on getting this new exos, but I’ll pass because of it.
Thanks! Shame that the noise is a deal-breaker for you, but I get fussy about certain things too. I kind of assume that squeaks and creaks were the norm once you're carrying a bit of weight, but it sounds like there are offerings out there that don't make these sounds. Thanks for watching ✌️
Nice job James. Professional review. Nice pack but still v expensive and I think twice the price of my 60/70 OEXVallo. Indeed lighter by a couple of 100 grams. Also the Osprey needs two small pockets to put the flashing red led lights which you need on your msg wind burner to prevent it being hit my low flying jets🤣🤣. However I have knee cartilage injury so not doing anything much lately. Possibly this is advanced karma for the joke just made!😖
Thanks Pete! Osprey stuff isn't cheap, but then it does come with a lifetime warranty, so that could end up paying for itself over the years. I bought a £40 60 litre rucksack from Mountain Warehouse at first. It was failing from the very first outing, so was a false economy for me. That said, it was SLIGHTLY taller than my stove, so it would have kept birds from nesting in the stove 🤣 Very sorry to hear about your knee - you've had a rotten year for injuries. I hope you can nurse it back to walking standard soon. James.
I bought an Exos 48 a few years ago. Back then I was clueless about backpacks and I didn't notice that it had no hip pockets. So annoying, what were they thinking removing the hip pocket; absolute madness. Loathe to upgrade, because it's as good as new.
I think I'd feel just the same as you do, and I very nearly did the same thing! It just makes no sense to delete them, so I'm glad they've found their brains and done the right thing. You could always sell yours to soften the blow of upgrading to the new model?
Hi mate this is a great review. Just a question I’ve just started camping, I’ve hiked for years but going to be doing 1 maybe 2 day max camping. I have a tent that weighs 2kg so not super light, a sleeping mat etc. do you think 48 litres is enough ? Or would you recommend the Atmos 65 AG?
Hi Paul. That's a good question, and it's something I've talked about a bit in my latest video. Without knowing what sleep mat, sleeping bag etc you're carrying, it's hard for me to comment on how big your rucksack you need. But, if you're only able to buy one rucksack at the moment (and particularly if you plan on camping in the colder months as well, when you'll need to carry more kit), I'd advise buying the bigger bag to start with. Yes, it's heavier, but it'll have space for your winter kit when the time comes. Always worth checking eBay and Facebook marketplace etc for good second hand deals! Hope that helps 👍
The Atmos is bigger and has a rain cover in the top section. It's also going to be a bit more rugged (not that I've had any issues with the Exos in that regard). You might need to check the max weight each pack can carry, as that might differ a bit. Ideally you'd be able to go and get your hands on an example of each rucksack in a shop to help you make your mind up!
i've been reading of a common issue with the ladder system being defective in this pack. What i've read is that one side of the ladder being misaligned from the other by up to an inch, resulting in the pack load shifting. Has anyone else had this issue?
I believe you might be able to route the compression straps inside the pocket instead of outside. That way they don't make accessing the pocket too hard.
@@joinmeoutdoors You cant do that there is no slot like the older models, a little slit a cm long will sort it in the mesh this is what I'm going to do now I'm keeping hr pack. Do you still like the pack Join Me Outdoors ?
I have an AG 65 to and the creaking sometimes drives me nuts! I also have a Gossamer Gear Gorilla 40, using it with the same load (7-15kg) and it manages to produce zero noise. So I'm in search for a bag between the two. Not AG65 heavy, but not flimsy like the GG, also has an air vent at the back and have some king of framing. I tought I have found the bag in the new Exos 48, but I got discouraged by the sqeaking/creaking noise in this video. Is it the same as the AG65 or worse/better?
Hi Barnabás. I THINK the Exos 48 has been quieter than the Atmos AG 65, but I don't pay very much attention to the noise, so I can't be 100% sure. It is difficult to put a number against the creaking, because I can't measure it like measuring the length or weight of something. Sorry, that isn't very helpful. Perhaps you could take your Atmos into a shop that sells the Exos and compare them side by side? I did turn up the volume a LOT in the video to try to make the sound audible.
Thanks for doing this follow up review. So many people review products before they have really used them so it's good to also see a review after they've been used in anger. I'm considering selling my Atmos AG50 to get one of these. The weight saving will be roughly a kilo so worthwhile. Thanks again. ATB, John.
Thanks John. I agree. An initial overview can be helpful, but it's not quite the same as being able to benefit from someone else's experience, is it? That 1 kg weight saving is really sizeable isn't it? I've just completed another camp with my Exos 48 at the weekend, and think I might just about make it through winter with the 48 litre pack instead of my Atmos 65. ATB, James.
@@joinmeoutdoors I've found that I can cope with a smaller bag. Started with a 60l all year round then moved to a 30l in summer, 40l for spring and autumn and the 50l for winter. 😀
@@joinmeoutdoors I got the Lowe Alpine AirZone Trail 30 and absolutely love it. My summer pack weight is about 8 or 9kg plus water and I use the Lanshan 1 Plus or DD 3x3m tarp.
Maybe the creaking is because you're carrying 15kg, although I'm inclined to agree with you, that's no more creaking than my Atmos makes! How do you find the load transfer into your hips vs. Atmos?
Possibly. Any creaks from a rucksack are bound to get louder as you carry more weight I suppose. I find both packs to be really good at sending the load down onto my hips. The Exos has a bit less padding in general, but is always comfortable 👍
Congratulations! I was tempted to buy the 38 instead of the 48, but the difference in weight was so minimal that I thought I may as well go for the 48 and have that extra volume. I daresay the same applies to the 58 - these are really lightweight packs for their size, given that they have a metal frame and are so comfortable.
@@joinmeoutdoors backpack came today, have loaded it up and first impressions are 👌🏼👌🏼. Thanks again for the review, keep up the good work with the channel mate 👍🏼
Sounds good! I can't wait to put my heavy Atmos 65 away and get the Exos back out for some weight savings. Thanks a lot, I appreciate the support 🙏🏻 James.
Nice review, thank you. Unfortunately, the squeaking is enough to rule this pack out. We have as a family around ten Osprey packs of various sizes and uses. The pack I loved in particular was my Osprey Atmos 50. Unfortunately, very quickly it developed a squeak and became increasingly worse to the point it was constantly commented on by other hikers. Tried everything to get rid of the noise. True to their word Osprey Australia replaced it and with a newer model. This was probably six or seven years ago. I am surprised Osprey have still not addressed the problem of squeaking packs.
Thanks for sharing your experience 👍 I can only assume that they've tried lots of different material and design combinations to eliminate the squeaks, but it would be interesting to hear what they've experimented with. My dad has a pair of walking boots that squeak so loudly that they distract me when I'm talking to him 😂 He's had them for years though, so perhaps I inherited my squeak tolerance from him? My Exos doesn't squeak all that much (yet?), so I'm happy with it for now 🙂 I'm glad your pack was replaced under warranty though!
Sorry to hear that! My Atmos 65 squeaked a bit on a camping walk last weekend, but stopped a few seconds later. The squeak was right up near my ear, so was actually a bit annoying. I think it was just my winter foam mat on the outside of my pack though.
Ironically I dearly love that squeak from my old 36L osprey. So satisfying. 😎. I’m due for a new pack and am going to travel with it as carry-on luggage in the future rather than my traditional, (heavy), wheeled luggage. And as I am going to try and ditch my checkin luggage I’m considering the 58L version. I’m in Australia too (now in China on the way back from Mongolia), where do you recommend purchasing from in Australia?
@@joinmeoutdoors maybe it's just a floor in the design. Having had some cheaper rucksacks that broke me, I will put up with a few creaks and have much better comfort.
What did you think of the skimpy hip belt? It seems like if your waist is more than 34" or 36", the hip padding will be very short in length, and won't cover anything across the front of the hip and abdomen - it's like the hip pads stop abruptly at the side, and it's just bare strap fully across the front of you.
I don't really have any comments to make about the belt, which is normally a good indication that something is working well. It holds its adjustment well and I find it comfortable. I'm about a 32-34" waist though, so that's not to say that your comment isn't correct. I honestly haven't given the waist belt a second thought other than the loose flappy straps, so it's doing the job well for me 👍
And sorry I didn't ask this earlier - but I'm seeing the Exos weight limit as 35lbs on the osprey site - but almost every review I've seen of current Exos says the weight limit is 40? Do you think 40 lbs is too much for the Exos?
I just downloaded the owner's manual direct from the Osprey website. It states a load range of 11-14 kg. I've been using the Exos 48 for winter wild camping and my pack weight on my penultimate outing was 19.5 kg! The pack was a little overloaded, but it felt fine once on, and didn't give me any trouble. That's not to say that overloading it like that and using it for years wouldn't result in a failure of some sort, so don't necessarily follow my example! 🤣
The compression straps aren't 100% necessary, no. I use them because I don't want stuff shifting around in my pack as I walk, but you can simply pass the straps through the buckles to remove them from the pack if you want to. I can't reach the side pockets (to reach a water bottle, for example) without removing the pack anyway, so it's not difficult to loosen the strap, use the bottle or whatever, and then tighten the strap up. I use a water bladder anyway, so I don't have a major problem with the compression straps 👍 James.
Nice review, thank you! I like blue too.. But not for outdoor backpacking, more over if it's bright: I guess that you don't often venture into bear territories ;-). The biggest "con" for me (a dealbreaker) is that it doesn't have front or rear access to the main compartment. I like to bring my photoshooting gear, art least a minimal set in its protective insert: with this backpack, you must manage your inventory so that the stuff you use frequently (for food break, camera gear, etc,), sits on the top regardless of its weight: either you want fast access, either you balance the weight to optimize your comfort, but not both.
Haha I love comments like this. It reminds me just how different it is to consider hiking and camping in other parts of the world. The answer is 'no' - no bears to worry about here in the UK, but I would absolutely follow your advice and choose a colour that wouldn't attract bears!! Do bright colours excite and interest them?
@@joinmeoutdoors blue, lavender, yellow and whatever 1990's fluo color (bright) :-) They can even distinguish between shades of a same color. I guess that the blue/lavender and yellow ones would be conditioned by its food (black bears essentially consume fresh spring vegetation, insects, fruits, berries and nuts, which are of a bright color for the most - along small rodents but rarely). Black bears usually avoid human contact: if they haven't already determined that you are a human being (if you were too "stealthy" for instance), then wearing those colors could entice their curiosity.
I'm guessing a giant novelty strawberry backpack is out of the question then 🍓🐻 I'm not sure I'd be quite so keen to get out into the wild outdoors if I had bears to contend with. Be careful out there!
@@joinmeoutdoors They luv blueberries... You're right, better get prepared (knowledgeable) beforehand. In short, black bears don't seek encounters with humans, as they're not on bears' menu (unlike Grizzly bears). Only their food... Hence, a "bear canister" containing all smelly food, 100 feet from the camp, would do the job (else, use sealed/hermetic bags, inside another bag that you would attach at least 15 feet above the ground). No food in the tent (bears have a very good olfaction). They will charge only if they feel trapped or endangered: just announce your presence (make noise, chant whatever), so that it has time to go away; if a bear faces you, raise your arms to look bigger, lower your eyes (no eye contact) and backup slowly going sideways from its "cap" 😎
Thanks. My rucksack is a size "ML/XL (19.5-23 in)" and I'm 175 cm. I think the S/M size would have been fine for me as I have the adjustment in slot 3 of 5.
I'd recommend measuring yourself as per the Osprey instructions: www.ospreyeurope.com/gb_en/osprey-technologies-2/sizing-fit-for-men/. I think the smaller size would fit you, but it's best to take the measurements first.
I had not seen the Exos Pro before. It looks like they have reduced the weight by quite a lot! I wonder if they will also make "Pro" versions of the smaller Exos packs? If they do, I might be interested in an Exos 38 Pro!
Hi, thanks for a great video, I have just added an Exos 38 to my collection and it's a very nice comfortable pack to wear. My only dislike and it's not a small one is I am struggling with the pocket zips on the hp belt. I can unzip them no problem when I'm wearing the pack but cannot for the life of me get them zipped up again. Am I doing something wrong?
Hi Beorn. Someone else made this comment a couple of weeks ago too. I agreed that opening the hip pockets is fine, and if you only open them about 50%, it's okay to close them. If you open them a bit more though, I then have to use my opposite arm to close them. So if I open the right hand hip pocket, I then have to use my left arm to close it. This could have been solved if Osprey had made the pockets smaller, but I think I would prefer the nice big pockets.
Hi, just an update. I returned the Exos and have replaced it with an Osprey Stratos 36. The hip belt pockets are a little easier than the Exos but not as easy to close as my Talon 33 although the Stratos comes with a built in rain cover.
Oh okay. So with the Talon and Stratos being almost the same capacity, what does the Stratos give you that the Talon doesn't? (I haven't used either of those packs).
@@joinmeoutdoors I quite like my Talon but the Stratos has the much better Airspeed back vent system. It gives me the airspace between the pack and my back.
Thanks for this review. I own an old version of the Exos 38 and I became a fan of Osprey backpacks the first time I wore it on a hike. The one thing that really won me over is the fact that backpack is not in contact with the wearer’s back. Most people who have never made that experience probably won’t have an appreciation for this, but it really makes all the difference an there is no way back from this feature. I‘d really love to see Osprey venturing into camera gear backpacks with the same concept. My old Exos has some weird rubberised fabric at the top and this rubber now starts to crumble away. Does the new version still have this feature? My Exos 38 did not include a stow away rain cover. Does the current come wit an integrated stow away rain cover?
Yes that air space between your back and the main rucksack is really effective at stopping your back from getting too hot and sweaty isn't it? I don't really want a frameless pack because of that. I'm not sure which rubbery bit you mean, but there isn't any rubbery material on the current Exos packs that I can think of, no. And no I'm afraid my Exos 48 didn't come with a rain cover, but they can be bought separately 🙂
@@joinmeoutdoors thanks for responding. It is good to know that Osprey dropped this light rubber coating on the newer version. I know that one can get the rain covers separately. When I bought my Exos, the shop even gave me one for free. However, guess what I keep forgetting to take along. Exactly, the rain cover. Even as I right this, I am on hiking holidays in Austria and it is constantly raining, untypical that is at this time of the year, I did not bring the rain cover, stupid me 🙈 That’s why an integrated rain cover would come really handy for me, despite the little added weight.
Haha oh dear! I almost never use my rucksacks without a full size dry bag lining the inside. I suppose that is an alternative you could try 😊 Happy holidays!
I find them to be fine unless I'm reaching in for something long that requires the zip being undone beyond about 60% open. Once the zip goes past that point, I have to use my opposite arm to reach over to operate the zip. I suppose the alternative would be to have pockets that don't open so wide, but I think I'd rather have the wide pockets and slightly awkward zip!
I just came back from the Camino Portugues and I used this model in the 38 liter version with 8,5 - 9,5 kg of load. So I have 180 miles (290 km) experience now. I can really confirm your judgement more or less. The only thing I found out is, that I had to slide up the little plastic elements, connecting the sides of the "joke" with the frame tube, always after having put down the backpack. If I didn't do that, the adjustment plates inside the "ladder" got loose which caused noise. I own the 2022 Exos 58 as well and both are great backpacks!
That must have been a great experience! Congratulations 👍 I will have to see if I encounter this noise with the ladder. The 38 and 58 litre models must be a useful combination. Thanks for watching 🙏🏻 James.
@Gyudon Senpai The new Exos 58 in size S/M has exactly the same hight dimension like the previous model. I measured 61 cm. The length of the hip belt wings from end to end is 72 cm. I used to have the old Exos 38 and on my new Exos 38 the wings are definitely longer.
Hello to you in Germany! No, the Exos is not advertised as a waterproof rucksack, and does not come with a rain cover. I have found that the rain cover from my Osprey Atmos AG65 will fit over the Exos though 👍
@@steptoorew I think I was towards the top end of the Medium size, in the overlap between Medium and Large (which would put me at around 50 cm). To be safe, because my local shops didn't have stock for me to try at the time, I went for the Large size. I think I could have got away with the Medium and had a slightly lighter pack, so I would say that trying one in a shop first and having it fitted properly would be the ideal way to do it.
Would you consider listing the price as a con? It's a nice pack and normal Osprey quality, certainly a lot of room for the weight without the compromises in material of going much lighter. Do you think you could squeeze a winter setup into it?
Hah! I could list the price, but I've seen a wide range of prices over the last 3 months. I've seen them at under £155 on Go Outdoors this week, whereas mine was £190 from Osprey in May (minus 10% with a discount code). I camped in the Brecon Beacons last night with a 4 season tent (Terra Nova Southern Cross 1) and a sleeping bag to cope with the -2 Celsius (with wind chill) temperatures. Also had my GoPro, tripods and drone and 2.5 litres of water (plus a beer), as well as a few warm clothes. It all fitted in the pack, which weighed in at a hefty 16.3 kg. I was quite surprised!
I have a couple of Osprey packs, the best one being a 50l Stratos which is well specified and has the bottom zipped compartment and is also fine for a winter set up. I was wild camping near Upper Neuadd reservoir Tuesday night with one of my dogs and probably packing about the same weight and no issues at all.
@@joinmeoutdoors well I don’t plan to ever sell it and the annoyed me so I spent a few minutes contemplating it and then cut them off, cast improvement 👏🤣
@@20yearsagotoday1 I could have, but I hated them, and never plan to sell the pack.. so chopped them off and binned them, no point taking them off nicely and storing them in a draw for years
@Join Me Outdoors having been out recently with them 48 I think I've changed my mind. Agreed its much lighter and surprisingly spacious. Only thing would be the max weight. 30-35lbs I think is the spec so just need to be mindful of that. It's not as sturdy as the 65 but that's to be expected
Oh okay, are you going to be choosing the Atmos 65 over the Exos from now on then, do you think? I generally load my Exos with about 12-18 kg. Any more than that and it's Atmos time.
@Join Me Outdoors non winter I'll stick with the Exos for sure. But I'll try and manage my base weight down to around 13kg that's all. Doable. Love the rucksack though
I bought an Exos 48 last year after the padding on my 1990 Karrimor 55L rucksack finally gave up the ghost after 30 years of use and abuse. I will say the Exos is WAY more comfortable ;) Meet you back here in 2050 to see if the Exos is still rucking :)
Removing the side pockets was the worst thing I have ever seen Osprey do to their packs. What 85 IQ did this? Have they ever been on a hike?! *rolls eyes*
I agree! I imagine most people buying a pack over about 25 litres would appreciate hip belt pockets? Let's hope they don't remove them from the Exos again now 👍
Hi ! Thanks for reviewing this one. That's the backpack I took on more than 800kms in Nepal, and I was never disappointed by it. I weighed it at 1284g with the lid, and 1150g without. As you mentionned the brain is very big, and i'm not sure, but out of the 48L, probably 8L are just for the brain. It's not in the ultralightweight category, but very resistant to abrasions and rips, especially where it matters (bottom is very tough, whole bag's nylon is quite thick) therefore it hasn't suffered of anything, just a tiny hole in the front mesh pocket, but it didn't create a bigger one or ripped completely. I had about 10kg inside the bag the whole time and it felt amazingly comfortable and i never had (too much) sweat on my back. I found it a little bit difficult sometimes to pack, as the bottom section is way wider than the top, leading in an odd shape sometimes, and it naturally sits "high", meaning that it comes all the way behind your head, so if packed too much, it can cause loss of balance a bit. For the creaking, it was more of a squeaking on my side, and I realised it was often the brain being too tight or touching the plastic buckles where it's attached. I put duct tape inside the buckles where the straps touch, and it was a bit better. And I agree with the side straps. As much as they are very useful to tighten your bag (especially when it's not 100% full) and make such a difference in comfort, taking out and putting back in a water bottle from the side pouches is a nightmare. I had a platypus pouch, easy to take out, nearly impossible to put back in without help or putting down your bag. This is by far the most frustrating part for me, I was almost tempted to cut tiny holes into the mesh pocket to let the strap go inside and let the strap sit around the pack, leaving the mesh pocket free, but was afraid I'd mess it up and creating a hole that'd only get bigger later one. I ended up using only my hydration bladder inside, which thanks to the tiny black strap inside the bag (Pro #11), it is well suspended and does'nt pull you down. Same as the red strap on top who can compress everything, (Pro #12), but these two are now well known in Osprey's range. Overall it is a very nice product, I think I could have had just the 38L (the 48 is very wide and I was surprised with how much things you can put in, but was almost too big for hikes without camping gear), and as much as I like having the blue color, the gray is a bit more discreet, and would probably remain cleaner.
Hi Jérôme, thank you for sharing your experiences at length here. I've pinned your comment so that everyone else can read your long-term thoughts. It sounds like you believe that the 38 litre version could have been big enough for you, which is exactly what I thought the first time I packed mine. The weight difference between the 38 and 48 is so small that I think I'm satisfied that the 48 is a good choice, and I've even been able to use mine for some winter camps (I normally use a 65 litre pack). I like that you added two more "Pro" points of your own! 😁 Thanks, James.
Outstanding review. Much appreciated!!
Thanks Tchai! 🙏🏻
Brilliant overview as per usual.
Thanks Dave. This rucksack still performs well for me, two years on!
Great review! Thank you 😊😊
Thanks for watching, Michael! 🙏🏻 James.
Thank you for the review. Greetings from Poland! 🤠👌👍
You're welcome, and hello to you in Poland! 😀👋
Thumps Up for your great work my friend! Lot of love and respect from a solo mountain hiker friend from the Lower Chitral District of Pakistan.
Thanks!
Nice review. Wishing you a wonderful weekend 👍
Thanks, and happy weekend to you too, buddy 🙂 James.
Great review !
Thanks Fabian 🤗🙏🏻
Great review! And a great product, I really love mine and wish I’d bought it sooner
Cheers! Do you have the same one as me then, with the hip belt pockets? Massive weight saving over the Atmos, and might even work for most of my winter camps 👌
@@joinmeoutdoors I have the slightly older one without the pockets, in gray/orange
@@joinmeoutdoors .. I managed last winter with it, if I can’t fit it in then I don’t need it, keeps me disciplined as my huge pack I would just keep ramming stuff in till it was full
@@BulldogBadger Yeah I know exactly what you mean about that now, having just done a cold weather camp (last night) with my Exos 48 for the first time. I'm struggle to think what I was even putting in my 65 litre pack now - and I didn't even have a drone back then! 🤣
I think the problems with the ladder system becoming disconnected relates to the Osprey Exos 55 Pro
Ah okay, thanks for your insight on that 🙏🏻
Agree with your review. Hopefully the Osprey will pay attention. I personally hope for additional pockets on the shoulder straps for cellphones etc.
Yes I think shoulder straps could be really handy too, even if they are optional extras. Thanks. James.
Thanks for the good review. I was comparing it to the previous generation Exos 48 and noticed that with the side compression straps the previous model had holes in the side pockets so you could either compress outside the side pockets or within the side pockets (hence easy access to side pockets). It also didn't attach the the waist pockets (as it didn't have any). Looks like this was an area they changed by design for some reason - probably easier to manufacture.
Hi, and thanks for your insight. It would be interesting to hear their reasons behind the changes (e.g. customer feedback, manufacturability etc) wouldn't it? I'm sure there's also a pressure simply to "make changes" from year to year, just so that products appear to be evolving. Thanks, James.
yes - those holes in the compression side pockets - most people didn't realise you could undo and re feed the side straps though. I would be surprised if they aren't on this new bag.
I've removed the side tensioning straps, no use to man or beast 😊, mine doesn't creak. My old exos did, and yes it's caused by the tension on the frame. Brilliant backpack 👍
The side pockets and front panel are great features that are really lacking on my current pack, I have pretty much zero external storage on my pack which is a real pain, an upgrade is truly needed I believe, may have to add this to the Christmas list 😊
Yes between the side pockets, large stretchy front pocket and the lid, I probably gain over 5 litres of storage! Ideally you'd take all your gear to a shop and see if you can fit it all into a rucksack before buying, I suppose. I don't know if they allow that?
This is the third version of the Exos 48 that I own. Bought it because of the reintroduction of the hip belt pockets. Wish that I hadn't. After 800 miles of use, let me add to your list of negatives...
1. As a thru-hiker, the first thing I always do with this pack is remove the brain and use the "flap-jacket". On this version, the flap-jacket is the size of a jock strap, resulting in pooling of water. It is impractical to use and has forced me to keep the brain and accept the weight penalty.
2. The zippers on the hip belt pockets are tough to close even with 2 hands.
3. As you pointed out, the side compression straps synch down on the outside of the side pockets. This makes the simple and frequent task of getting a water bottle difficult. The previous version of the pack had holes in the side pockets where you could run the straps through instead. This version does not. I'm guessing that it is because the straps tie into the hip belt pockets, which is a terrible design in itself.
4. The hook and ladder torso adjustment is a big fail. I ended up riveting them in place because I got sick of hearing them click whenever I had a steep climb. I also own a Rook. It has a great torso adjustment system, which they should have applied to this pack.
I will forever love the Osprey packs because of their trampoline suspension system. However, I really wish they would stop taking 1 step forward and 2 steps back when they introduce new versions of the Exos.
Thanks for those additions, David. Now that summer is over, I've reverted to lining my rucksack with a large dry bag, so I wouldn't necessarily notice water pooling on the top flap like that. Also, I weighed the brain when I first got the rucksack, and it's so very light that I've already decided that I'll pretty much always leave it attached.
I know what you mean about the hip belt pockets zippers. I think they'd be easier to use if they didn't open as far, and if the pockets were stiffer and held their shape better, but those two changes would reduce the opening size and add weight, so I think I'd rather settle for the slightly tricky operation as a compromise.
I know that others have fallen out with the ladder system, so you're not alone there, and a few people have commented on Osprey making some good model tweaks while also making some irritating changes at the same time. Perhaps they need 100 customers on a committee each time they want to make changes, then we could influence what happens! Thank you for such a comprehensive insight 👍 James.
@@joinmeoutdoors wasn't the model before the one before this the best version, the first out of the last three models I'm on about that comes in a green and black with hip belt pockets. Most people seem to say this was the best Exos they made it was also about 250-300 grams lighter. I have the model before the one on here without the pockets. I have cut of all the tension strap and also anything else I don't use, I like the use of it without the brain top too. Its comfy but squeaks
@@wad6216 I suppose everyone has their own opinion of which is the best one! I haven't used the first two versions, but as you say, the second version was released without the hip belt pockets, which possibly makes it the least popular version of the three. I think this latest version looks more modern, not that looks are overly important!
Good opinion !
Thanks! ✌️
Hi, great review!
Is it possible to remove those side compression straps. These ones bothers me on some of my other packs.
Hi. Thanks for the comment! The side compression straps can be removed, yes. They are not stitched to the bag, so you could pass each strap through the plastic buckle at each end and remove it.
A good review buddy, clear, concise and informative 👌 👍.
I think some people are just too fussy, I hold my hands up, im one of them haha, the hip straps on my atmos, as you own yourself are way to long, they do annoy me sometimes, but I've managed to live with it and just tuck them away 😊
Thank you, Richard. I'm right there with you on the 'fussy' front! The Atmos has that handy little secret stowing pocket doesn't it? Really useful for tucking the loose strap ends into. No such option on the Exos though. A first world problem, for sure!
@@joinmeoutdoors you mean behind the hip pockets? I just had to check and I never knew about that until now, thanks for the tip, it's only took me 6 months to find out 😮😅
@@IrelandRider Yep, that's the one. You can shove the whole lot in there! Haha glad I could help! 😁
Like others have commented below the hip belt pocket zip are a pain to close while wearing the back. I've found that by adding a longer cord to the zip that can be reached by the opposite hand & holding the rear of the pocket with the closest hand they can be closed easily. I can't reach the cord directly with my opposite hand but pass it across with my nearest hand if that makes sense!
That made perfect sense to me. Very well described, and a good, simple way of making those pockets a bit more user-friendly. Thanks for sharing that. I may well give that a go! 😊 James.
You can reroute the strapping on the side. If you skip the double eyelet it leaves the side pocket free.
Thanks. I have yet to try this!
Great review, thank you! I'm in the process of buying a new backpack, the choice comes down between Exos and Kestrel. After a couple of your video I'm probably going to buy the Exos, the light weight is a key factor for me. Now, my only doubt is about the size, 48L or 58L. So my question is, for a trekking trip of 7/10 days, which one would you pick?
Thanks Paolo, and I'm glad my videos helped you. Your question about size is a difficult one. I say this because my wild camping (1 night) pack weights vary from about 10 kg in summer to about 20 kg in winter, so it depends what time of year you'll be hiking, if you're taking a tent, if you need to carry all of your food etc. The weight difference between the 48 and 58 isn't all that much, so you could just go for the 58 and remove the top section if you desperately wanted to save 50-100 grams or so and didn't need that volume?
@@joinmeoutdoors Thanks for the idea. Had the same question.
Thanks for your detailed review! The only packs I have used have been British Bergens and they are god-awful. I think this is a great compromise in many ways
Thanks Winstan! The Bergens look mighty, but weighty to boot. I have just successfully used the Exos 48 to carry over 19 kg comfortably around the Brecon Beacons in winter, as well as using it for sub-10 kg summer camps. I'm very happy with it 😊
Great review! What tent are you using in this video ?
Thanks Nathan! That's my Hilleberg Soulo you can see behind me, in Sand colour.
@@joinmeoutdoors Quality
Thanks. Ref straps - I feed the side straps inside the side mesh pockets rather than on the outside. That stops the straps obstructing anything you might put into the side mesh pockets. :)
Hi Imran. That's a really good idea. I think those straps really annoy some people, so this might improve things for them. I'll have to try it out and maybe demonstrate it in a video some time. Thanks for watching 👍 James.
not possible with this new version
@@oliv5089 cut a cm slit in the pocket mesh and feed it through
@@wad6216 good idea but the hole doesn't extend ?
@@oliv5089 do it right at the edge where to mesh meets the seam then the mesh doesn't touch the strap, the strap will just rest against the bag then
Just bought one from Go Outdoors (great price!!), but unfortunately the delivered the s/m instead of l/xl. I’m torn between needing the 48 or the 58 for 1/2 nights on Dartmoor/Exmoor with my 7yo son (carrying most of his stuff too).
Yes I saw that Go Outdoors have them at an uncomfortably good price now! 🤣 That's unfortunate about the sizing error, but you can hopefully sort that soon. I imagine you would need the 58 litre for two of you for two nights - and even that pack would probably be pretty loaded up! I think I'd probably order the 58 litre pack and then have a careful trial load-up at home to see if it was big enough/too big, with the option of returning it if the size didn't work out.
i have just bought one, it arrived today so haven’t tested out yet but something caught my attention, inside at the top of the main compartment there is a backward facing zipper with no “handle” seems its either a redundant construction thing or do i have a defective bag?
Hi. That zip just gives access to the frame, for installation/removal, so you don't really need to get in there 👍
1.) Cut the belt straps and heat seal the ends 2.) Double wrap the side straps around one of the D rings for independent adjustability.
If that tent in the background is your solo tent may I suggest looking into Tarptent tents. They have several very well designed solo tents. ALL of their double wall tents are designed to be set up with the inner tent already attached to the fly. 1.) faster setup 2.) inner never gets wet setting up or taking down in the rain.
* I have a 3 season Notch Li and a "mostly for winter" Moment DW with the optional Crossing Pole shortened 5 inches and run under the fly for more stability in wind and heavy, wet snow load.
Thanks for the suggestions, Eric. I did have a good look at Tarptent before buying my Terra Nova Southern Cross 1, as I was interested in the Scarp 1 originally. I agree that there are some really good features there, but I saw and heard too many negatives for me to push the button. All but one of my double wall tents (the OEX Phoxx II, which I don't use) pitch inner and outer together - anything else is just a pain! I'm glad you've found some tents that work for you. The quest for the unicorn tent of perfection continues! 😉 ATB, James.
Good review!. Im surprised that Osprey still hasnt fixed the creaking sound on this pack. It was already an issue in older models that I owned, and even the new aura pack of my wife has that issue. Very annoying. Never encountered it on other brands though… i was planning on getting this new exos, but I’ll pass because of it.
Thanks! Shame that the noise is a deal-breaker for you, but I get fussy about certain things too. I kind of assume that squeaks and creaks were the norm once you're carrying a bit of weight, but it sounds like there are offerings out there that don't make these sounds. Thanks for watching ✌️
Nice job James. Professional review. Nice pack but still v expensive and I think twice the price of my 60/70 OEXVallo. Indeed lighter by a couple of 100 grams. Also the Osprey needs two small pockets to put the flashing red led lights which you need on your msg wind burner to prevent it being hit my low flying jets🤣🤣. However I have knee cartilage injury so not doing anything much lately. Possibly this is advanced karma for the joke just made!😖
Thanks Pete! Osprey stuff isn't cheap, but then it does come with a lifetime warranty, so that could end up paying for itself over the years. I bought a £40 60 litre rucksack from Mountain Warehouse at first. It was failing from the very first outing, so was a false economy for me. That said, it was SLIGHTLY taller than my stove, so it would have kept birds from nesting in the stove 🤣 Very sorry to hear about your knee - you've had a rotten year for injuries. I hope you can nurse it back to walking standard soon. James.
I bought an Exos 48 a few years ago. Back then I was clueless about backpacks and I didn't notice that it had no hip pockets. So annoying, what were they thinking removing the hip pocket; absolute madness. Loathe to upgrade, because it's as good as new.
I think I'd feel just the same as you do, and I very nearly did the same thing! It just makes no sense to delete them, so I'm glad they've found their brains and done the right thing. You could always sell yours to soften the blow of upgrading to the new model?
Hi mate this is a great review. Just a question I’ve just started camping, I’ve hiked for years but going to be doing 1 maybe 2 day max camping. I have a tent that weighs 2kg so not super light, a sleeping mat etc. do you think 48 litres is enough ? Or would you recommend the Atmos 65 AG?
Hi Paul. That's a good question, and it's something I've talked about a bit in my latest video. Without knowing what sleep mat, sleeping bag etc you're carrying, it's hard for me to comment on how big your rucksack you need. But, if you're only able to buy one rucksack at the moment (and particularly if you plan on camping in the colder months as well, when you'll need to carry more kit), I'd advise buying the bigger bag to start with. Yes, it's heavier, but it'll have space for your winter kit when the time comes. Always worth checking eBay and Facebook marketplace etc for good second hand deals! Hope that helps 👍
@@joinmeoutdoors would you say the Atmos 65 or exos 58 ? I know the 65 is bigger but what’s better ?
The Atmos is bigger and has a rain cover in the top section. It's also going to be a bit more rugged (not that I've had any issues with the Exos in that regard). You might need to check the max weight each pack can carry, as that might differ a bit. Ideally you'd be able to go and get your hands on an example of each rucksack in a shop to help you make your mind up!
i've been reading of a common issue with the ladder system being defective in this pack. What i've read is that one side of the ladder being misaligned from the other by up to an inch, resulting in the pack load shifting. Has anyone else had this issue?
That's not an issue I've had, but hopefully others will reply if it's affected them 👍
Good vid - starts at 1:30
Thanks ✌️
I believe you might be able to route the compression straps inside the pocket instead of outside. That way they don't make accessing the pocket too hard.
Thanks Davide. A couple of others have mentioned that now, so I will have to try it 😊 James.
@@joinmeoutdoors You cant do that there is no slot like the older models, a little slit a cm long will sort it in the mesh this is what I'm going to do now I'm keeping hr pack. Do you still like the pack Join Me Outdoors ?
I have an AG 65 to and the creaking sometimes drives me nuts! I also have a Gossamer Gear Gorilla 40, using it with the same load (7-15kg) and it manages to produce zero noise. So I'm in search for a bag between the two. Not AG65 heavy, but not flimsy like the GG, also has an air vent at the back and have some king of framing. I tought I have found the bag in the new Exos 48, but I got discouraged by the sqeaking/creaking noise in this video. Is it the same as the AG65 or worse/better?
Hi Barnabás. I THINK the Exos 48 has been quieter than the Atmos AG 65, but I don't pay very much attention to the noise, so I can't be 100% sure. It is difficult to put a number against the creaking, because I can't measure it like measuring the length or weight of something. Sorry, that isn't very helpful. Perhaps you could take your Atmos into a shop that sells the Exos and compare them side by side? I did turn up the volume a LOT in the video to try to make the sound audible.
When compared to the previous version of the Exos, this new version is much quieter.
That's helpful feedback, thanks 👍
Thanks for doing this follow up review. So many people review products before they have really used them so it's good to also see a review after they've been used in anger. I'm considering selling my Atmos AG50 to get one of these. The weight saving will be roughly a kilo so worthwhile. Thanks again. ATB, John.
Thanks John. I agree. An initial overview can be helpful, but it's not quite the same as being able to benefit from someone else's experience, is it? That 1 kg weight saving is really sizeable isn't it? I've just completed another camp with my Exos 48 at the weekend, and think I might just about make it through winter with the 48 litre pack instead of my Atmos 65. ATB, James.
@@joinmeoutdoors I've found that I can cope with a smaller bag. Started with a 60l all year round then moved to a 30l in summer, 40l for spring and autumn and the 50l for winter. 😀
@@Jarbie It makes a big difference doesn't it? I definitely want to try for a really small summer pack next year, like your 30 litres!
@@joinmeoutdoors I got the Lowe Alpine AirZone Trail 30 and absolutely love it. My summer pack weight is about 8 or 9kg plus water and I use the Lanshan 1 Plus or DD 3x3m tarp.
@@Jarbie A sub-10 kg pack is a happy place to be!
nice
Maybe the creaking is because you're carrying 15kg, although I'm inclined to agree with you, that's no more creaking than my Atmos makes! How do you find the load transfer into your hips vs. Atmos?
Possibly. Any creaks from a rucksack are bound to get louder as you carry more weight I suppose. I find both packs to be really good at sending the load down onto my hips. The Exos has a bit less padding in general, but is always comfortable 👍
I’ve just ordered the Exos 58… hoping it’s as good as the 48 looks here 👌🏼
Congratulations! I was tempted to buy the 38 instead of the 48, but the difference in weight was so minimal that I thought I may as well go for the 48 and have that extra volume. I daresay the same applies to the 58 - these are really lightweight packs for their size, given that they have a metal frame and are so comfortable.
@@joinmeoutdoors backpack came today, have loaded it up and first impressions are 👌🏼👌🏼. Thanks again for the review, keep up the good work with the channel mate 👍🏼
Sounds good! I can't wait to put my heavy Atmos 65 away and get the Exos back out for some weight savings. Thanks a lot, I appreciate the support 🙏🏻 James.
Nice review, thank you. Unfortunately, the squeaking is enough to rule this pack out. We have as a family around ten Osprey packs of various sizes and uses. The pack I loved in particular was my Osprey Atmos 50. Unfortunately, very quickly it developed a squeak and became increasingly worse to the point it was constantly commented on by other hikers. Tried everything to get rid of the noise. True to their word Osprey Australia replaced it and with a newer model. This was probably six or seven years ago. I am surprised Osprey have still not addressed the problem of squeaking packs.
Thanks for sharing your experience 👍 I can only assume that they've tried lots of different material and design combinations to eliminate the squeaks, but it would be interesting to hear what they've experimented with. My dad has a pair of walking boots that squeak so loudly that they distract me when I'm talking to him 😂 He's had them for years though, so perhaps I inherited my squeak tolerance from him? My Exos doesn't squeak all that much (yet?), so I'm happy with it for now 🙂 I'm glad your pack was replaced under warranty though!
I, thinking of sending mine back it squeaks like a mouse in a cats mouth
Sorry to hear that! My Atmos 65 squeaked a bit on a camping walk last weekend, but stopped a few seconds later. The squeak was right up near my ear, so was actually a bit annoying. I think it was just my winter foam mat on the outside of my pack though.
Ironically I dearly love that squeak from my old 36L osprey. So satisfying. 😎. I’m due for a new pack and am going to travel with it as carry-on luggage in the future rather than my traditional, (heavy), wheeled luggage. And as I am going to try and ditch my checkin luggage I’m considering the 58L version. I’m in Australia too (now in China on the way back from Mongolia), where do you recommend purchasing from in Australia?
My osprey rook creaks, I thought it was because of my small sit pad, I put it down where the water bladder goes.
Oh that's interesting. The bladder securing strap creaking in the plastic slide lock at the top of the bladder then, perhaps?
@@joinmeoutdoors maybe it's just a floor in the design. Having had some cheaper rucksacks that broke me, I will put up with a few creaks and have much better comfort.
@@simonward4520 I think I'd prioritise comfort over creaks too 👍
What did you think of the skimpy hip belt? It seems like if your waist is more than 34" or 36", the hip padding will be very short in length, and won't cover anything across the front of the hip and abdomen - it's like the hip pads stop abruptly at the side, and it's just bare strap fully across the front of you.
I don't really have any comments to make about the belt, which is normally a good indication that something is working well. It holds its adjustment well and I find it comfortable. I'm about a 32-34" waist though, so that's not to say that your comment isn't correct. I honestly haven't given the waist belt a second thought other than the loose flappy straps, so it's doing the job well for me 👍
And sorry I didn't ask this earlier - but I'm seeing the Exos weight limit as 35lbs on the osprey site - but almost every review I've seen of current Exos says the weight limit is 40? Do you think 40 lbs is too much for the Exos?
I just downloaded the owner's manual direct from the Osprey website. It states a load range of 11-14 kg. I've been using the Exos 48 for winter wild camping and my pack weight on my penultimate outing was 19.5 kg! The pack was a little overloaded, but it felt fine once on, and didn't give me any trouble. That's not to say that overloading it like that and using it for years wouldn't result in a failure of some sort, so don't necessarily follow my example! 🤣
Are the side compress straps really needed? Can you take them off?
The compression straps aren't 100% necessary, no. I use them because I don't want stuff shifting around in my pack as I walk, but you can simply pass the straps through the buckles to remove them from the pack if you want to. I can't reach the side pockets (to reach a water bottle, for example) without removing the pack anyway, so it's not difficult to loosen the strap, use the bottle or whatever, and then tighten the strap up. I use a water bladder anyway, so I don't have a major problem with the compression straps 👍 James.
Nice review, thank you! I like blue too.. But not for outdoor backpacking, more over if it's bright: I guess that you don't often venture into bear territories ;-). The biggest "con" for me (a dealbreaker) is that it doesn't have front or rear access to the main compartment. I like to bring my photoshooting gear, art least a minimal set in its protective insert: with this backpack, you must manage your inventory so that the stuff you use frequently (for food break, camera gear, etc,), sits on the top regardless of its weight: either you want fast access, either you balance the weight to optimize your comfort, but not both.
Haha I love comments like this. It reminds me just how different it is to consider hiking and camping in other parts of the world. The answer is 'no' - no bears to worry about here in the UK, but I would absolutely follow your advice and choose a colour that wouldn't attract bears!! Do bright colours excite and interest them?
@@joinmeoutdoors blue, lavender, yellow and whatever 1990's fluo color (bright) :-) They can even distinguish between shades of a same color. I guess that the blue/lavender and yellow ones would be conditioned by its food (black bears essentially consume fresh spring vegetation, insects, fruits, berries and nuts, which are of a bright color for the most - along small rodents but rarely).
Black bears usually avoid human contact: if they haven't already determined that you are a human being (if you were too "stealthy" for instance), then wearing those colors could entice their curiosity.
I'm guessing a giant novelty strawberry backpack is out of the question then 🍓🐻 I'm not sure I'd be quite so keen to get out into the wild outdoors if I had bears to contend with. Be careful out there!
@@joinmeoutdoors They luv blueberries... You're right, better get prepared (knowledgeable) beforehand. In short, black bears don't seek encounters with humans, as they're not on bears' menu (unlike Grizzly bears). Only their food... Hence, a "bear canister" containing all smelly food, 100 feet from the camp, would do the job (else, use sealed/hermetic bags, inside another bag that you would attach at least 15 feet above the ground). No food in the tent (bears have a very good olfaction). They will charge only if they feel trapped or endangered: just announce your presence (make noise, chant whatever), so that it has time to go away; if a bear faces you, raise your arms to look bigger, lower your eyes (no eye contact) and backup slowly going sideways from its "cap" 😎
Great review. Are you using S/M version? How tall are you? Best regards.
Thanks. My rucksack is a size "ML/XL (19.5-23 in)" and I'm 175 cm. I think the S/M size would have been fine for me as I have the adjustment in slot 3 of 5.
@@joinmeoutdoors I am 177 cm tall. Based on your experience, would you recommend S/M or L/XL. I will greatly appreciate your opinion. Thank you
I'd recommend measuring yourself as per the Osprey instructions: www.ospreyeurope.com/gb_en/osprey-technologies-2/sizing-fit-for-men/. I think the smaller size would fit you, but it's best to take the measurements first.
@@joinmeoutdoors Thank you. Please continue with hiking and camping gear reviews. Best regards.
Thanks buddy 😊 James.
What do You think about the new Exos 55 pro ?
I had not seen the Exos Pro before. It looks like they have reduced the weight by quite a lot! I wonder if they will also make "Pro" versions of the smaller Exos packs? If they do, I might be interested in an Exos 38 Pro!
Hi, thanks for a great video, I have just added an Exos 38 to my collection and it's a very nice comfortable pack to wear. My only dislike and it's not a small one is I am struggling with the pocket zips on the hp belt.
I can unzip them no problem when I'm wearing the pack but cannot for the life of me get them zipped up again. Am I doing something wrong?
Hi Beorn. Someone else made this comment a couple of weeks ago too. I agreed that opening the hip pockets is fine, and if you only open them about 50%, it's okay to close them. If you open them a bit more though, I then have to use my opposite arm to close them. So if I open the right hand hip pocket, I then have to use my left arm to close it. This could have been solved if Osprey had made the pockets smaller, but I think I would prefer the nice big pockets.
Hi, just an update. I returned the Exos and have replaced it with an Osprey Stratos 36. The hip belt pockets are a little easier than the Exos but not as easy to close as my Talon 33 although the Stratos comes with a built in rain cover.
Oh okay. So with the Talon and Stratos being almost the same capacity, what does the Stratos give you that the Talon doesn't? (I haven't used either of those packs).
@@joinmeoutdoors I quite like my Talon but the Stratos has the much better Airspeed back vent system. It gives me the airspace between the pack and my back.
Okay I understand. That is really important 👌 I hope it works well for you! 🤗
Thanks for this review. I own an old version of the Exos 38 and I became a fan of Osprey backpacks the first time I wore it on a hike. The one thing that really won me over is the fact that backpack is not in contact with the wearer’s back. Most people who have never made that experience probably won’t have an appreciation for this, but it really makes all the difference an there is no way back from this feature. I‘d really love to see Osprey venturing into camera gear backpacks with the same concept.
My old Exos has some weird rubberised fabric at the top and this rubber now starts to crumble away. Does the new version still have this feature? My Exos 38 did not include a stow away rain cover. Does the current come wit an integrated stow away rain cover?
Yes that air space between your back and the main rucksack is really effective at stopping your back from getting too hot and sweaty isn't it? I don't really want a frameless pack because of that.
I'm not sure which rubbery bit you mean, but there isn't any rubbery material on the current Exos packs that I can think of, no. And no I'm afraid my Exos 48 didn't come with a rain cover, but they can be bought separately 🙂
@@joinmeoutdoors thanks for responding. It is good to know that Osprey dropped this light rubber coating on the newer version.
I know that one can get the rain covers separately. When I bought my Exos, the shop even gave me one for free. However, guess what I keep forgetting to take along. Exactly, the rain cover. Even as I right this, I am on hiking holidays in Austria and it is constantly raining, untypical that is at this time of the year, I did not bring the rain cover, stupid me 🙈 That’s why an integrated rain cover would come really handy for me, despite the little added weight.
Haha oh dear! I almost never use my rucksacks without a full size dry bag lining the inside. I suppose that is an alternative you could try 😊 Happy holidays!
Big like 👍amazing
Thanks Ingrid!
For the straps: Just use some velcro :)
How did you find getting into and out of hip pocket. I find them very awkward?
I find them to be fine unless I'm reaching in for something long that requires the zip being undone beyond about 60% open. Once the zip goes past that point, I have to use my opposite arm to reach over to operate the zip. I suppose the alternative would be to have pockets that don't open so wide, but I think I'd rather have the wide pockets and slightly awkward zip!
I just came back from the Camino Portugues and I used this model in the 38 liter version with 8,5 - 9,5 kg of load. So I have 180 miles (290 km) experience now. I can really confirm your judgement more or less. The only thing I found out is, that I had to slide up the little plastic elements, connecting the sides of the "joke" with the frame tube, always after having put down the backpack. If I didn't do that, the adjustment plates inside the "ladder" got loose which caused noise. I own the 2022 Exos 58 as well and both are great backpacks!
That must have been a great experience! Congratulations 👍 I will have to see if I encounter this noise with the ladder. The 38 and 58 litre models must be a useful combination. Thanks for watching 🙏🏻 James.
@Gyudon Senpai The new Exos 58 in size S/M has exactly the same hight dimension like the previous model. I measured 61 cm. The length of the hip belt wings from end to end is 72 cm. I used to have the old Exos 38 and on my new Exos 38 the wings are definitely longer.
Hi, is it waterproofed, because I didn t foundy any information about it? Greetings from Germany
Hello to you in Germany! No, the Exos is not advertised as a waterproof rucksack, and does not come with a rain cover. I have found that the rain cover from my Osprey Atmos AG65 will fit over the Exos though 👍
@@joinmeoutdoors thank you so much and have a good day
Thanks, you too ✌️
Hi, what is the size of the backpack? How tall are you?
Hi. I'm 5' 9" tall, and an online retailer lists the dimensions of the Large Exos 48 as 80 cm x 36 cm x 30 cm (HxWxD).
@@joinmeoutdoors Hello. What is your back length?
@@steptoorew I think I was towards the top end of the Medium size, in the overlap between Medium and Large (which would put me at around 50 cm). To be safe, because my local shops didn't have stock for me to try at the time, I went for the Large size. I think I could have got away with the Medium and had a slightly lighter pack, so I would say that trying one in a shop first and having it fitted properly would be the ideal way to do it.
My ladder doesn’t cause me issues, and creaking is minimal.. not enough to be annoying (or I’m partially deaf) 🤷♂️🤣
You probably can't hear it over the Kylie Minogue you're always blaring out 😂
@@joinmeoutdoors 🤣🤣🤣
Would you consider listing the price as a con? It's a nice pack and normal Osprey quality, certainly a lot of room for the weight without the compromises in material of going much lighter.
Do you think you could squeeze a winter setup into it?
Hah! I could list the price, but I've seen a wide range of prices over the last 3 months. I've seen them at under £155 on Go Outdoors this week, whereas mine was £190 from Osprey in May (minus 10% with a discount code).
I camped in the Brecon Beacons last night with a 4 season tent (Terra Nova Southern Cross 1) and a sleeping bag to cope with the -2 Celsius (with wind chill) temperatures. Also had my GoPro, tripods and drone and 2.5 litres of water (plus a beer), as well as a few warm clothes. It all fitted in the pack, which weighed in at a hefty 16.3 kg. I was quite surprised!
I have a couple of Osprey packs, the best one being a 50l Stratos which is well specified and has the bottom zipped compartment and is also fine for a winter set up. I was wild camping near Upper Neuadd reservoir Tuesday night with one of my dogs and probably packing about the same weight and no issues at all.
@@chrisarnold4709 I've had the Stratos 26 for years. It's done a lot of mileage and still looks hardly used. Very strong and hard wearing bags.
Sounds like you've found the one! 👌
@@TheWalkingKev yep, that's my day bag as well. I have a Deuter 26 as well and recommend both
I cut those side compression straps off 🤣🤣🤣 hated them!!
Haha you savage! 🤣
@@joinmeoutdoors well I don’t plan to ever sell it and the annoyed me so I spent a few minutes contemplating it and then cut them off, cast improvement 👏🤣
Haha maybe you need to upload a tutorial video on how to do it? Step 1, get your chainsaw out of the shed...
You could have simply taken them off without cutting them! I took mine off and now have the option to put them back if I want too.
@@20yearsagotoday1 I could have, but I hated them, and never plan to sell the pack.. so chopped them off and binned them, no point taking them off nicely and storing them in a draw for years
Useful review. I have one and prefer it to my Atmos 65AG
Cheers Colin. The Atmos is almost twice the weight, so I only revert to it reluctantly if the Exos definitely can't carry the volume!
@Join Me Outdoors having been out recently with them 48 I think I've changed my mind. Agreed its much lighter and surprisingly spacious. Only thing would be the max weight. 30-35lbs I think is the spec so just need to be mindful of that. It's not as sturdy as the 65 but that's to be expected
Oh okay, are you going to be choosing the Atmos 65 over the Exos from now on then, do you think? I generally load my Exos with about 12-18 kg. Any more than that and it's Atmos time.
@Join Me Outdoors non winter I'll stick with the Exos for sure. But I'll try and manage my base weight down to around 13kg that's all. Doable. Love the rucksack though
That's good to hear. I think anything under 15 kg feels lightweight after hefty winter camps! 🤣
I've done a few hundred miles using my karimoor rucksack that cost £25 in a sale in 2016 and shows no signs of wear at all
Happy days! 👍
I bought an Exos 48 last year after the padding on my 1990 Karrimor 55L rucksack finally gave up the ghost after 30 years of use and abuse. I will say the Exos is WAY more comfortable ;) Meet you back here in 2050 to see if the Exos is still rucking :)
@@ashmaybe9634 I hope it last you many years, thanks for the reply
That's a strong life from the trusty Karrimor! Osprey packs come with a lifetime warranty, so the Exos should still be trucking in 30 years too 😁
Removing the side pockets was the worst thing I have ever seen Osprey do to their packs. What 85 IQ did this? Have they ever been on a hike?! *rolls eyes*
I agree! I imagine most people buying a pack over about 25 litres would appreciate hip belt pockets? Let's hope they don't remove them from the Exos again now 👍
I Hate osprey backpacks and I hate Hilleberg tents. Unbelievably overrated pieces of kit imo
This probably isn't the video for you then 😂