John Mayers $4000 Reverb!
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- Who uses a $4000 guitar reverb!?! John Mayer does
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Yep, sounds like reverb.
Amen
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BUT PLUGINS CAN'T DO IT!
@@DapperHesher jajjajjajajajajajjajajajaja
Ha. I was thinking, Am I wrong that this reminds me of my old Lexicon LXP-1?? At least the pots on this thing don't seem to crackle.
Everyone hating on this Reverb need to get their ears checked. I own a Ventris and Big Sky and they sound great but they do NOT do what this unit does. Sorry, just the truth.
Oh no, not the 'Sorry just the truth' comment
broke pirated plugin kids malding.
That Lukather cut was perfect! For anyone on a less extravagant budget, the Poly Digit comes stock with a library of M7 IR's that sound sweeeeet.
My Beebo arrived yesterday and I’m seriously considering selling most of my other pedals
Thank you so much for all your videos and presets on the Poly Mr. Leon
I went to a seminar with Dave Pensado where he showed off this reverb. I was blown away.
Really appreciate these awesome demos of my dream gear. Keep it up!
It sounds killer brother! All the sounds coming from your studio sound amazing though! Keep Rockin' dude!
I’m loving your channel!
That Sunset in stereo added after... just wow. I was listening on my phone and it still sounded amazing. When I get home I’m gonna listen through better speakers. That was awesome.
I really like the Meris Mercury 7. Sounds great and also fits on a pedalboard. Reverb always works better applied in post (IMO).
Thanks Mike! That was incredible!
Best content on CZcams for sure ! Most of the gear is Impossible to find in Brazilian land but at least we get to hear it by a killer guitar player !
Lukather: "I have done this. I am telling you DONT do it"
Michael: "But I gotta try it"
Great video and awesome playing. I think John Mayer has toured a bunch with the Flint on his board as well.
Sounds awesome and great playing and sound from the les Paul!!
I normally straight up can’t stand Shimmer reverbs but I liked this one! It surprisingly sounded natural! Your rock sunset sound kinda reminded me of Warren DiMartini at first, and then it really did! Yeah isa nyce.Dang, but four grand! You big kids play, I’ll stick with my little Merris and Nuenabers. Shoots Cuz, liked and subscribed. Keep it up. Oakloha from Oakland!
Its gorgeous, so smooth!
Awesome playing and great Tone ❤🎸👌👍👍
The M7 is a piece of art! ...together with the real Lexicons (480L and 300) and the big Eventides
Very Cool, made me think of the Lexicon PCM 70? from back in the late 80's when I thought I was going to be a recording engineer.. Ahhh Youthful Dreams....
really fun video pal - thanks !
No doubt it sounds great, through your stuff, throught the internet, through to my computer... but so does the TC stuff [pedals and rack] and even my Quadraverb has insane verbs. I'm saving my money, and michael I LOOOOOVE your vids, playing and expertise..
Gotta love that Mayer rig! I doubt he’s feeding it instrument level though. Probably running through a line mixer, we’re talking Bob Bradshaw here after all! ;)
I went to Berklee with John and played with him quite a bit (we are both from CT so we had that in common at the time) I always think it’s funny because he sounded great back then, even when he was playing through the solid state Fender amps they had everywhere at Berklee and he sounded equally good through his little peavey practice amp he had. I think he was using one of those small Korg Pandora’s for reverb when we were at the Summer guitar sessions in 96. What can I say he always had good tone, and certainly has improved upon it with his choices of gear. Great demo Michael, also I love the tone of that Vintage S you have! Friedman makes incredible guitars and pickups!
70% of your tone is in your hands 😎😁 You’ll always sound like you no matter what hear you play.
Awesome that you actually know John Mayer 🤣 Super jealous, lol
@@devondeswardt6239 Honestly, the more experience I get around gear the truer this sentiment holds. It's salt and pepper, at the end of the day - regardless of the price tag.
that's awesome
My dad owns microsoft
Tim Pierce does something similar but he puts it after the mic pre he is using to record the cab, i started doing the poor man version using a spx 90 😂, it's actually pretty cool sounding
I run a Lexicon MPX-1 through my Suhr Badger 18 effects loop for reverb and it's a great setup. I read that Michael Landau was using one .. .that's where I first heard about using one. I use it for reverb only. My boost/overdrive/delay is in front of the amp.
Of all the videos I have watched of gear I cannot afford, this seems fucking incredible!
The first note you played and I loved the tone right then.
Love that Friedman Strat. Sounds great with that amp.
Sounds awesome!!
Sir, much respect for your channel!
Sounds fantastic!!
The Bricasti is a lovely sounding reverb for sure and as a hardware unit is an excellent choice for a guitar, live or studio setup. There are some really great software reverbs out there now such as Liquid Sonics Cinematic Rooms. In a controlled AB Test, you and I and even grammy engineers would have a very hard time picking them. Liquid Sonics Seventh Heaven is Bricasti clone in fact and sounds amazing too. There are also some really great Bricasti IR's floating around as well which also sound incredible. Another way of looking at it is, it takes a $4000 hardware reverb to sound as good as say Cinematic Rooms which will only set you back one tenth of the price.
Mark Knopfler has used this processor in his live rig some years ago!
I have been running tube amp (usually victoria tweed bassman) into OX box into all the UA stuff, 1073-Distressor-EMT140 plate verb plugins. Basically the rig I'd use if hardware was available. Works great. I bet this unit really sounds great in person
Sick playing bro!
Hey I recognize that reaper forum face!
With those converter 1/4" plugs you showed at the beginning of the video, when using those do you then just connect it left/right out of the bricasti into the send/return of an amp head effects loop, or a stereo power amp for wet/dry/wet? Just wondering if anything else is needed to play it through a stereo wet/dry/wet rig? Your videos have finally convinced me to buy the bricasti so I just want to make sure I can connect it. The part that got me curious and confused was did you show the stereo in post because it's not capable of being run in stereo wet/dry/wet. or was that because you just didn't have everything you needed to run w/d/w? Because you said you were just doing a 1x12 cab w/d.
Man the Studio 1 preset sounded awesome. Do you think there's a more affordable gear with similar sound or even a good plug-in? You mentioned it in the end but I couldn't follow sorry :( Thanks!
That twin sister just sounds so sweet in the lead parts. The M7 just makes it 👌🏾👌🏾
YEAH MAN. Mercury 7 best digital reverb pedal in the world.
Cool. I'll see if I can get my hands on one.
The thing with these reverbs is they’re really meant to be added after and mixed down ... without good FOH could get lost in a normal band mix
Wow Michael you're on a roll!
That's a spicy reverb meatball!
AWESOME experiment!
Used to own an M7, heard Seventh Heaven plugin and sold it!
Not exactly the same, but damn it's pretty close!
I know this is mainly a guitar channel, but I’d love to see some more insight into your writing and production process!
Yes please 😁
Same
Samesies
+1
+19.2k
Awesome demo. Looking forward for some profiles of Twin Sister and Jake E. Lee amps. 😃😃😃😃 Cheers from Brazil
Do you use logic all the time or do you also use pro tools hdx
I would really love to see you demo the Yamaha spx2000 rack effect it has the old spx90 presets in it also would love to put one on my 2018 Soldano slo100
Excellent sounding combination.
this was epic. I was never into external processing gear.. But the gas is real.. hahah. If you would. If I want to process already recorded audio through an external gear, do I simply send the output of my interface (apollo duet as of now), put it in the input of the external gear, then output of that gear to the input of my audio interface? And is the headphone out the only way to now monitor my mix? I know I can get an extra audio interface to eliminate this quirk but if there is a way to monitor the incoming audio through my monitors with one audio interface, I'm all ears! (would something like a patch bay work?.. ). Anyways.. thanks for the content!!
Its so funny reading some of these comments. Many wreak of jealousy and bad taste, claiming they can't hear the difference and bashing the M7. If they got to hear one in action they would definitely sing a different tune. I've just never got hatting on stuff just because you can't afford it out of jealousy. I don't have an M7 but I can appreciate how great it is. The real room stuff in stereo is insane, sounds so lifelike and like you said, no plugin does that.
Very cool. Do you like the old lexicon on guitar or this one?
Great stuff
Sounds beautiful.
this guitar sounds amazing (especially on the neck) which pickups are those?
I really like how you show so many different tones. I would love to have access to all of those "toys"!
Thanks so much!
For most listeners it's all about the context of the song and the mix they not thinking about a 40 bucks or 4000 dollar reverb. A good song is a good song regardless.
I do appreciate your sonic tour of the unit. Enjoyable
Love the lukather 80s star licks clip, ima go get some ice cream now thanks 🧁🍨🍦😂
I'd actually be really curious to see you compare this to some popular reverb pedals for guitar sounds (obviously studio stuff would be different). MXR Reverb, Meris, Empress, Strymon, Digitech, anything!
Also a question about mastering, Would a Manley Massive Passive and a Neve Portico II Master Buss Processor be enough to master hard rock music? Is there anything else that would be needed or should be added? In a treated room, with Antelope Amari interface/converters and Focal Solo 6 BE monitors, with a BAE 1073 MPF on my guitar blending a Royer 121 mic with a Shure SM57 mic. Getting ready to get the Bricasti M7. Thanks again in advance!
Yep. Also, don't discount the power of some plugins for the mastering as well. Mixing the plugins with the hardware is very powerful.
great playing and the unit sounds awesome. i think there's a small earthing issue in your rig though.
Do you think there's a chance JM would use the reverb post Mic and thus, in stereo? like Michael Thompson would do in the studio for instance.
sounds amazing
I'm just here to "piss away my money" looks like I'm in good company 😆
Sounds fantastic. I'm sure you have a H9 lying around, that used in post in the daw like your were doing sounds great too, particularly the room algorithm. You just have to watch the input level. A "budget" option I guess.
Yes. There are definitely some great sounds in the H9. I usually have it setup for modulation stuff. But the reverbs are pretty nice in there too.
I've played guitar for over 20 years and I'm a total gear head - but I'll never understand how something like studio rack reverb can cost $4K. Just seems like a despicable price! Amazing and beautiful tones though - I have to think an H9 or other high-end digital pedals could do the same thing at $400.
Heck, the H9's big brother the H9000 costs around $7k. Ain't nothing cheap in quality studio gear for sure, even proper cables. Mogami is considered expensive to home studio folks but considered almost garbage by proper studios.
Maybe so! Would love to eat about it
ianA I use an H9 in my live rig and also as an insert in pro tools with a radial extc . It is great ! But not even close to the bricasti. I would not use the bricasti in my live rig though. Too much hassle and the H9 is plenty good for gigs. Think about it. The bricasti is built to put the listener of a recording in a concert hall or room. When you play live you are already in a room.
Different use cases. A reverb on a lofi instrument like a guitar doesn't need to be the quality of a top end Lexicon, Eventide or Bricasti. However, if you're mixing it's a whole other ball game. You want the high frequency range, dynamic range and transparency of a quality unit like one of these (or a plugin running on a machine with enough horsepower). The H9 is an incredible unit, possibly the best effects device of the last decade. It has the benefit of all that R&D that Eventide did for the H3000 and beyond (and earlier frankly on the 949 etc) and uses the same algorithms.
Where can you buy AES/EBU with a 14" connector? I can't find any anywhere
Was hoping you would try the Bricasti at some point. Question; where do you have the return knob set on the rear of the Twin Sister(unity gain??) Thanks Michael!
There is NO return knob on the TS. It's just in/out. I suppose it's unity by default.
Thanks! Just noticed the newer models are all like this now. One less thing to noodle with.
I think my TC Hall of Fame sounds better, but since you're cool I'll trade you
DONE!
Tc Hall of fame sounds like shit. I had one it's the worst.
The sky surfer sounds better even.
Tc hall of fame is a quite similar alternative without spending the 4 figures
The algorithm on the hall of fame just bad compared to some other reverbs in the market of a similar price point. Its sterile and full of digital sounding artifacts. I am a fan of tc pedals mostly but I would encourage anyone to not buy this pedal. There are way better sounding reverbs with better control ability on the market.
@@kevinbate4255 Agee, I don't like my Hall of Fame at all.
IMO eventide solved this with their h9 max... you can even split the 2 inputs outputs as post and pre effects loops, run the effects before the preamp and in the effects loop :)
I love Lexicon verbs, but my Bricasti is just a different level of organic tonality and smoothness. I don't run a guitar through mine, but it's so truthful in it's sound. I always feel like the Lexicons subtract and add some frequencies that makes it less than whole.
I think it's the $4000 price tag that does most of the swaying here
It’s that price tag coming out! Haha sounds amazing
Using a $4000 reverb unit as a guitar "pedal" is topnotch ridiculous - but it sounds amazing.
Other people like to use 1176s as their compressor "pedal", so there seems to be something about using outboard gear in guitar rigs. Didn't the Edge use an original AMS reverb in his old rig (straight into the front-end of an AC30), before he started using the Axe FX rig?
Was the Echoplex ever meant to be used into guitar amps rather than as outboard gear for studios? And it has become a legendary guitar tone...
With reverb however, I think, they work better last in the chain, i.e. after the microphones and mic pres.
That's the beauty of playing guitar. A new standard is born every time someone decides to misuse or abuse gear that wasn't meant for it. Examples: broken channel strip -> distorted guitar, pedal sordino for horns -> wah and so on.
error Yes. I have a Bricasti but I would never use it in a pedal chain. It always goes last usually hooked digitally into the DAW. I got mine cheap. The prices now are mad but it is excellent.
Nice Michael. How does it compare your PCM96? I recalled you demo of that against an older PCM (60?) and a Digitech Polara (?) and was in another league.
The M7 and 96 are just different. M7 is more realistic. The 96 is more Lush but not quite as real. It’s just splitting hairs
So any preference between the Smallbox and the Twin Sister?
Bricasti reverbs are great, if I was John Mayer I'd have one too... why the hell not. Port all you studio settings over
Agree. Sounds much better in post than in the amp effects loop.
How does this compare to the Reverb on the Source Audio Collider pedal? Is this the best reverb you have ever heard for specifically guitar stuff?
Source Audio are the best I've heard. I haven't heard EVERYTHING, but I've heard a lot.
I have a friend plays his classical guitars thru it, pretty smooth. I really dig altiverb too. wish that could go in a pedal.
I use Altiverb at work a LOT
If I used reverb and could spend that kind of 'scarole, I'd probably invest in movable walls in my studio, a la Paisley Park LOL!!
Is it possible to mic a guitar cabinet, and record only the dry sound of the guitar in the room without reverb sounding in the room, while still being able to hear the mic'd guitar with the M7 Reverb in your DAW as you are tracking through headphones? Does that make sense? I want to track my guitar dry and mic'd in the room while I am hearing the M7 reverb on it in my Daw with my headphones on as it's being recorded. Reason I'm asking is because I think it'd be more natural for me to play if I can hear the reverb, but I want to be able to add or change reverb later in the mix if needed. Thank you if you can offer advice!
Yes. You might have a little bit of latency. It's a trade off.
@@BigHairyGuitars Thanks for taking the time, I appreciate your help! An idea, it'd be great if you started a series of mixing and mastering tutorials and tips/tricks videos on your channel, I would LOVE to see content like that from you and I bet a lot of others would too! Just an idea, thanks again!!!
Studio 1 w/ the Les Paul is sweeeeet!
The Bricasti M7 is to my ears, the best digital reverb to date. Unbelievably good.I have been using a Lexicon PCM 90 reverb for years with various guitar rigs. Both of these units have pro audio I/O levels (+4dBV). How did you adjust the levels in the Twin Sister FX Loop to interface with the Bricasti? Also, it would be great if you could do a video on an Eventide H3000 D/SE Ultra Harmonizer. This was used a lot by the great guitar players back in the 80's.
Yeah man. The prices of those double in the past year or so. I've been looking for a nice priced 3000
not for us who don't make millions playing music. For John Mayer, yes he earns millions and probably didn't have to pay for the reverb :). Nice demo with great sounds by the way. Thanks
Sounds good.
Liquidsonics 7th heaven is the plugin version of this (Bricasti M7).
The Bricasti M7 plays impulses of famous venues, so yes, pligins can do exactly the same job. What you are paying for it s the super clean power supply and ADC / DAC plus extremely low jitter circuitry - compared to a top end hifi DAC its actually cheap!
Edit: The 'Studio 1' preset is Abbey Road.
Yes yes. But, the M7 is algorithmic and doesn’t use impulses. They did it the hard way ;)
He's using digital AES connection, so don't think it's even going through the expensive ADC / DAC lol
My understanding was that John used the Bricastis on the 2017 tour which is when he had those monitors or hifi speakers on stage with him and so I thought the reverbs weren’t going through the guitar speakers. This was a cool experiment regardless of my possibly flimsy above knowledge!
He still uses them now., theres vids of people closer to the stage 2019 tour and you can see 2 M7's in the racks behind his amps for his W/D/W setup, he only uses 1 at home on his instagram live
it sounds so ethereal
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Can I ask you a question Michael. Why(for the most part) are digital reverb units like the Bricasti so hard, or so much harder to replicate in plugin's. I know they are getting better, but why is it so hard to replicate the hardware if it's digital?
Im no expert but I would think plugins arent replicating the converters and all the signal path inside the unit
@@tubo777 Right. That's probably fairly accurate.
No, converters have very little to do with it if anything. It's the sheer amount of DSP under the hood thats specifically designed to only do reverb. Modern computers are not designed like this. Specialized DSP is.
@@evanmargol3408 Thanks Evan!!!
I don't think it's the algorithms, they're the same on the hardware units and in a plugin, it's mostly the power of the specialised DSP chips in the hardware. There once was a time when you needed DSP, because the native CPU performance of your average workstation wasn't sufficient. That's not really the case now, but DSP performance has continued to improve as well.
Hey Michael, are you able to demo a Bogner Goldfinger 45 Super Lead head please?
We don’t get a chance to test them usually Downunder, we have to order them and pay for them up front and when they finally arrive, we have to hope and pray they are what they say they are. I totally trust your opinion and would love to get a notification that you’re demoing one. Cheers from Australia. Ps.. love your work man👍🤘🎸
I play the oceans 11 reverb (EHX).... and its completely awesome
But wouldn't it be more efficient to just get something like a Zoom ms-70cdr
Hi, how did you manage to avoid the volume drop related to the "line level" on in/out? Usually those high end staff do not work well at "instrument level"....
Dunno. Didn't do anything. Friedman FX loop?
Most fx loops work at almost line level (+4dBU) rather than instrument level. At least it's after the preamp, so it's definitely higher than what's coming out of a guitar.
Sounds crazy good
I don’t need it! I don’t need it! That’s what I keep telling myself but it sounds so good!
sounds glorious.
I bet the nux ocianic will sound close in the loop. I did like the plate reverb in the loop, guitar does not always have to be so " sterio" to sound good in a mix.
In the screen cap for the video I thought "I reckon that's a Bricasti". It's good to be correct occasionally! They are incredible sounding devices. The Luke clip was quality too. He's a genuinely funny guy.
I have a Peavey Valverb that sounds pretty darn sweet. All analog, big springs & a tremolo.
Very nice!
I’d love to hear a direct A/B comparison between this and some of the better reverb plugins in studio use.
You say plugins can’t do it, but without an direct comparison this doesn’t really sound like a step up to me. And that’s with an isolated element, not even buried in a mix.
Altiverb sounds great over here. So does Valhalla Vintage when on a budget.
gotta be honest, its sounds amazing
In Mayer's rig it's routed after the mic pre.