Ultimate Guide to Dune (Part 4) Children of Dune
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- Children of Dune takes place nine years after Dune Messiah. At this time the Empire is ruled by Princess Alia who maintains the regency until Paul's twins Leto and Ghanima come of age. Paul's twins are like no children that have ever lived before. In truth they are millions of years old, a perfect combination of genes, and a mother's heavy consumption of spice led these children to become preborn, forced into consciousness with all the memories of their ancestors.
Although Alia was pre-born as the Twins were, she does not share their experience. The Twin’s connections to their past lives seem to be more fluid. Alia avoided the intricacies of her inner world and therefore did not possess the mental linkages that the twins had. For example, they were able to speak fluently in many ancient languages, whereas Alia would only be able to catch a word or two. Alia has now undergone the spice trance, and as a result, the unimaginable has happened. The very thing the reverend mother Gaius Helen Mohiam feared in book one, Abomination.
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Alia’s story never fails to break my heart. Consciousness forced upon her before birth, sister of someone completely unrelatable, abandoned by her mother, and victim to her mind. Especially how Messiah lulls you to think she can live a (somewhat) normal life with love.
When she pleads for help in her own voice before she chooses to jump out of the window was heartbreaking.
It’s such a wholesome moment that Chani protects Ghanima from her inner lives
She almost failed at first, Chani wanted to take over her daughter's body and Paul (through Leto) had to chase her.
@@KFlorent13 the restraint is not an easy thing. Think about how our parents seek to control us. And imagine if they could. How many would relinquish that power
Near the end there's a point where Ghani feels the inner personalities clamoring to take over, but then feels her mother standing at the door to keep them shut out. I smiled huge at that part.. I like to think of Chani's ego memory protecting her daughter against what happened to Alia.. and to some extent Leto.
Right? And we didn't get to see much of Chani's inner life while she was alive in the first few books, so it was good to get a glimpse in Children
If only Alia's memory of Jessica love could substitute for the real Jessica's love.
Stilgar is one of my favorites from the book. His confrontations with the realities of his faith and the universe he inhabits are colossal, yet enclosed within himself
Stilgar in Dune 👍🏻
Stilgar in Messiah 👎🏻
Paul Atreides wasn't as concerned about the personal sacrifice of the Golden Path, but betraying his philosophy of not committing atrocities for the greater path of mankind. Leto's Fremen philosophy allowed him to allow evil acts in order to achieve the greater good. Such an interesting dichotomy, and allowing the Dune saga to be so morally complex.
I don't think it was that to be honest
I think Paul knew it must be done and just couldn’t bring himself to commit atrocity. Leto was able to, only after forsaking his humanity, literal and figurative. I think the author was saying something about what it means to be human.
This scene needs to go in dune part 2 as a tribute
100 percent accurate
didn't paul allow a jihad that killed 60 billion humans for what he thought was the greater good?
I think i pulled off a Ghanima. I'd had Alia's death spoiled for me, and I forced myself to forget it. Until i read it myself, and the memories came crashing back
a reverse Ghani! :O
I blanked out reading the star wars novel where Chewbacca died😀...
😂😂😂
Same here, but with Paul!!
Alia is the most tragical character in dune
What about Duncan Idaho?
Emilio Camacho Erice Duncan, Alia, Paul, so many tragic characters in a unforgiving universe.
Wait? What about Leto, who ends up having to live 1000s of years as a partial sandworm, because Paul doesn’t have the will to do it himself?
@@allisonf3508 exactly what I was thinking
Alia's mother abandoned her and made her live w/ a weight that she was unable to carry on her own. And her brother Paul was too busy with his holy jihad to give her the help she needed. She was all alone.
The final line of “Children of Dune” is one of the best final lines in all sci-fi:
“One of us had to accept the agony, and he was always the stronger.”
OMG, the artistry, the music, the narration - this is EVERYTHING!! Not leaving the house until I have watched every one.
Yep,a year later but Im doing the same:)
Omg so tru
Time well spent I'd say.
I love the music in the beginning ! The artwork is so good and I think this version might even be better than the movie!
The Dune series has always been too much for me to absorb to get into it. But I could tell It was deep. These videos have seriously helped me get the foundation of the universe and I think I'm ready to start reading them again and have dusted them off after years of sitting in my closet. Thanks for that.
I have covid 19 (beating it) and am quarantined for the foreseeable so having something to deep dive into has helped a lot.
Are you well now?
I hope you’re alright and that enjoyed the novels
Hope you are well now?
would you share them? lol that would be so cool! I have heretics & house atreides&sandworms of dune . both by the son Brian & author Kevin Anderson they are quite good . but...
Word.
Whenever I finish one of the dune books, I always come back to your videos to either see what I've missed or to cement what I didn't. Great content my dude 👌
I do the same, I just finish this book, amazing
I do the exact same thing Quinn’s videos are amazing
Same here
I've waited for a good Dune lore channel, and this one is just fantastic when it covers the series. Cheers
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Farad'n was always one of my favorite characters. There's not enough love for him
Our lovely Harq al-Ada...
I managed to read the series completely blind without knowing anything, so when it was revealed that Farad’n was the one writing all the historical notes at the beginning of chapters it was such an amazing revelation to me.
@@georgeashley6643 I felt the exact same way :)
@@georgeashley6643 it was obvious since theres this bits at the early books of histories with different quotes and writings by historians and when i lewrned faradn was a historian/reading books i knew he’s the writer.
@@Liaison_Verequiem Love how you say it’s obvious but then go on to say that you knew he was the writer once it was revealed that he was the writer/historian. Or at least that’s how your comment reads.
The more I learn about Alia, the more I find myself sympathizing with her.
all of them spice cracky mental powers are tragic characters especially paul, alia and the twins.
...I found it despairing for Alia, that she @ 19 was left by both he support to fend for herself, in the midst of all those enemies that surrounded her. I thought is was cowardice of her brother and especially her mother, for leaving her unsupported. No wonder she succumbed?
jessica proved once and for all that she really was a vile piece of shit when she abandoned alia. Alia is the way she is because of jessica, and only because of jessica.
Jessica fucked over Alia and Paul fucked over Leto II
But then the theme of parents or parent figures appearing infallible only to then fail and leave the next generation to fend for themselves continues through the series.
Can you imagine being Paul? You know the future, you know you are the cause of Trillions of people dyeing. This is the thing he knew it like he was the one killing them. Remember also if you kill 1 person your a murderer if u kill 10 billion it becomes a statistic. I dnt know how that would weigh on ur soul. Leto had billions of people to help him take the weight of ALL he had to do. I think Paul knew Alias terrible fate and he could do nothing to stop it. Remember he was the tool of fate, he could not escape it. He was trying to save ALL of humanity from some great enemy. But I do agree with u Alia is one of the most tragic characters in the entire series.
When Ghanima says “I told you to pity her” after what happens, it was so emotional.
Mind blown,damnn Quinn. I'm a 70's child i remember when i first read dune, now there's talk of another dune movie hope they do it right this time.I'm reading dune again cause of you .Your awsome my brotha love your narratives.
On the bright side, it probably can't do worse than the infamous Lynch adaptation.
Also a child of the 70s. Also re-reading the series after 30 years because of you! Thanks for the channel!
@@firagabird nothing could be worse than that
I'm a 70's child too. Read the Dune cycle many times but I didn't like the 1st three books from Herbert's son (House Corrino, Harkonnen and Atreides).
The David Lynch adaptation wasn't that bad. For a project this big done in the 80's, I thought it was amazing, and I still do.
I mean I get your point; there was many things that could've been better, but I'm pretty sure we would've disliked some parts of of Alejandro Jodorowsky's version too.
You should watch the documentary "Jodorowsky's Dune". It's awesome!
Can't wait for Villeneuve's version!!!!!!
Have you seen the trailer for the 2021 Dune yet?
Those who have disliked this video are cursed and have succumbed to possession. We should mourn their tragic fates.
I am rather startled, that Mr. Quinn keeps warning viewers against preachers, yet sound like one in every single one of his videos.
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Abomination!
@Gg2 Hh "Conservatism is when prices good. Liberalism is when prices bad. Ook Ook, me very smart"
@Gg2 Hh LOL. that's--and i cannot stress this enough--not how this works.
Young man, you should be the voice in a new audiobook edition.
No, he reads all those Arabic (Mahdi, ar-Rakis, Wadi etc.), and Germanic (Laandsraat) names as if they were English. It is unacceptable.
The only foreign word word he read propely is the Slavic word "Sietch" (Polish ortography: Sicz, Ukrainian ortography: Січ).
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Then you do it !
This channel is my spice.
tatito rodriguez You prescient beast.
The IdeasofIceandFire must flow...
Paul Anderson I knew you were going to make that remark
Gregory Greenwood-Nimmo he who controls this channel......controls the universe
Now my eyes are glowing blue
I just finished Children of Dune and my love for Frank Herbert's work has increased so much
An hour long video on Children of Dune?? Has Shai Hulud blessed my water or what?
Nice
Planet of the Atheists well spoken
The God Worm pisseth in thy goblet and it overfloweth
@@KunjaBihariKrishna thats only weak spice which won't elect genetic memory
😭😭 top tier comment
Oh man, I was just wishing for this to exist. edit: Voiceover is greatly improved, acting is much more even, really enjoying it. Great Job.
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Just started reading the first book and this is the best thing I've read in my 32 yrs of living on this world.. its amazing how creative a human mind can innovate
The character trope of Alia and Her mother Jessica, remind me much of Mary Shelleys themes in Frankenstein.
Dr. Frankensteins monster, Alia, and Leto II are some of the saddest characters I have ever experienced. It brings one to feel grateful about a normal human life.
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Dude Hell yea lol
Frank Herbert has passed away and he won’t be able to threaten to sue you like he did Iron Maiden for writing a song about Dune called To Tame A Land!
I want to reread the books but can't find the time. This is a really nice middle ground. I can't watch the movies again because they just fuck with my experience of the books. That world just lives inside of me.
I was backpacking through the middle east and had the books with me as my only entertainment. I stayed with Bedouin people in the sinai desert and only a few of them spoke English.
So it was very introspective. Can you imagine what it was like to read dune in that environment? This was before phones and there wasn't even electricity. I would wait for the sun to come up so I could continue reading.
Later I ended up at a kind of spiritual commune in the south Israeli desert. The desert was different over there and the commune was built on an old army base.
They did army training in the desert nearby and at night you could see tank convoys or herds of camels. I continued the books over there.
I dont think any reading experience can come close to that. The story of those books often fades, but the world was as much around me as inside of me
You are totally amazing. I want all of your work . You are up there with Game of Things.
Just put them on a shelf above your toilet.
Liking before watching... Because I know I'm about to enjoy my next hour.
I love these videos because Dune is so dense that I forget the details. These help remind me of stuff so things make more sense as I get further into the series.
The fact that Pual refused the Golden Path (even though he couldn't see to the end of it) is very telling of his character. He had already seen and been the cause of too much death and destruction. I think because he was not preborn, he could not except the further destruction of his humanity. He would have rather seen humans die out on its own than be the cause of so much of its destruction for a possibility of survival. Leto II may be doing this for the right reasons, but has questionable morals. Paul is more of a hero in my eyes.
Despite knowing what was to come Paul couldn’t emotionally accept it when it became reality. Chani’s death was too painful for Paul to truly bare it. Leto was much more emotionally distanced from it
Simply, thank you for your hard work and for such a great labor of love on your part. You did a great job brining this book to life.
These eloquent readings and explanations of these stories give me a profound appreciation of these novels which I am now itching to purchase. It also makes me love the movie even more. Its flaws and how it strays from the novel is completely excusable. I never knew the dune universe was soooo complex and intricate and to translate that into a 2 hour film was quite an accomplishment. Had Lynch poured all those intricacies into a 4 hour movie it would have bombed utterly even if the handful dune scholars at the time may have loved it.
¡Excelentemente narrado!
Salgo a correr 5km con esta narración y me ayuda a hacer la distancia imaginando estar en Arrakis-Dune…
Just adding to the pile of compliments. You make such quality work, Quinn. Your channel is a true treasure trove 💕
You're so pretty. I hope you are well. Best wishes 🤍
I've been waiting for this episode for months... Children of Dune is by far my favorite entry in the series. Thank you.
I have listened to these like 20 times. Thank you so much, this series is amazing!
Enough can't be said about the absolute magnificent nature of these analysis videos you make. Your passion is inspiring.
I've been waiting for this. But GEoD is the one I've been REALLY looking forward to since this series started. Cannot wait! This video was incredible. I was so psyched to see the hour+ long run time because I knew nothing would be left out. Between the attention to detail, the artwork/music and the intense readings of excerpts from the book... the videos in this series are perfect.
I've been waiting for this.
My fav book in the series.
Well that was bloody, well and truly, spectacular. Searching for Dune analysis/commentary a few months ago, I stumbled upon this channel and have been waiting with bated breath for this installment (my personal favorite Dune novel, btw). Worth every minute of waiting.
And then... and then... along the way IOIAF dropped another glistening gem of a promise upon our laps: A treatment of Asimov's "Foundation". Once that gets going in earnest, to keep the content going I would also love, LOVE to see a treatment of The Culture books by Iain Banks.
I loved DUNE and the Dune universe since the 1st time I read them; and I find your DUNE videos like water in the desert. The art you used, the editing, the reading parts - they simply bring me so much joy that I'd like to drop all the books I'm currently reading and start my Dune saga all over again. Terrific video, mate, you deserve tons of respect. My favorite part in this book was when Stilgar killed Duncan.
The depictions of the characters is top notch. I have not seen most of this art before.
Beautiful piece and an homage placed with a great respect to the original. Thank you!
these videos have me stoked on actually reading the series, now that i know how this thing tends to unfold. it used to feel like "essential, or required reading". now i understand why, and that helps immensely.
thank you so much for this.
Just such an amazing hardwork and effort on part of this channels creator. I am so grateful and hopefully you get all the support you need to come out with part 4 next! Thank you for making this series, i am enriched as a result.
The sequenz from 47:30 to 48:00 is awesome I just got goose bumps even thou I must have heard it about 20 times and read it 3 times. Thank you for your awesome work
I really love these videos because the pictures and the perfect summarizing make it much easier to understand what I've just read.
I am extremely impressed with these videos, Dune deserves to be held in such esteem!! Thank you for the accurate and colorful narration, fantastic!!
FANTASTIC! Utterly speechless. That voice change at the end, just a straight up... heavy. As you probably have guessed by now,!that this was objectively a work of art. .
Dune is what got me into mind expansion techniques and away from religions. Best books I've ever came across. My parents grew up reading the books and use to read it to me when I was growing up which I like to think kept me from messing up like most teenager's do. The dune novels should be required reading in school.
You are literally the G.O.A.T. for this series
The one book I've liked the most from your narrations so far, thanks Quinn, outstanding work!
A wonderful narration and a gripping video. Loved it! Can't wait for the next one!
Your story telling skills are impeccable. Well done.
Im loving the dune content please keep it up!
Hello from the year 2020 where the spice flows and this lore channel flows deeper. Great work this is one of my favorite out of your videos.
Just finished listening to the audiobook yesterday! Every book so far has me speechless in the end.
Ghanima : spoils of war
Love this guy's dramatic guides. I'm right on this book so this is perfect timing.
really appreciate this series. Just finished Children of Dune but god there was so much to this book. This video really helps unpack it for me
I love this guide. Any time I want a quick reminder of how amazing Dune is I come to these videos.
I feel so sorry for Alia.
I would love you to take on The Wheel of Time. This channel is so immersive.
OMG these are so good. Il listen to them several times over. The story is so complex that it will take some time
This is the episode I have been waiting for. Excellent job covering the best book in the Dune series!
You make the best Dune videos period! Love all that you do for this great work.
Everything you do is excellent.
I want Tigers with freakin' Laza beams on their heads! Is that too much to ask?
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LooooL!!!!!
why not get a liger Zero and add a few pulse lasers to the head
Ask, and you shall receive...
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These videos are so good! First time reading through the six books and it’s helpful to come back and watch these after I’ve read one book and started the next, almost like rereading the previous ones to keep important details in mind. Thanks for making these!
Perfection! Absolutely awesomely done! Thank you for the many many hours you worked on this! 5 stars plus!
Ok I gotta tell you how much I loved watching this Video last night. You really GET what the dune books are about and have a masterful way of telling the story through these beautiful renderings of the characters. I read these back in the 80's and have always loved them. They are dense and smart in a way that you don't often see. I got home late last night from work, and decided to play this video. I've watched some of the others and enjoyed them too. But something about this one really touched me last night. Thank you for doing such a great job with these. GOT is nice and all, but I think your pivot to Dune was a great idea and you're doing a great job and really do it justice. Something not all the Movies and TV productions have done - I thought Scifi channel came closest to really capturing the spirit of the material. The lynch movie was a disappointment, it watered down the impact and turned "the wierding way" into a tech gadget and stupid. Even though it was glorious to see his visuals and see the material produced on the big screen with mostly practical effects as well. I hope that the upcoming reboots and TV production are half as good as you have been at capturing the essence of the material. I'm now a subscriber of your channel keep up the excellent work. :)
Really, really high quality stuff mate!
Absolutely incredible.
Alia is my favourite Dune character. It's no surprise that she and Duncan fell in love - they did not choose their paths, but were the victims of the ambition of others. They were powerless against the power arrayed against them.
Yet they loved, and sacrificed their love of each other for each other.
Of all the characters in the book, I am the most sympathetic to her. And whilst she "succcumbed" to the abomination which destroyed her, there remained a tiny corner of her soul in which love still existed.
And it was that corner of her soul still containing love that overcame the hateful abomination she had become. In the end it was love overcame the demon in her soul. Love sacrificed itself for the sake of love itself.
The Duncan gholas were very different from that point on. Wearied, colder, resigned. Less human.
Well that's my interpretation anyway!
This was a very fine piece of work. I have read these novels hundreds of times and you got this one covered perfectly
Keep the spice flowing. I really enjoy these videos. Great job!
I was thinking about when this video would come out today. Must have been a prescient vision.
CaptainPep Seldon I guess he doesn’t make these videos in a no ship.
Compared to this star wars really does look like a pre school version...its quite shocking so many adults love it so much to the point modern fans do.....
Star Wars is not worthy to be mentioned in the same breath. It's frankly garbage, very expensive, overproduced, garbage.
@@SelfReflective, you're right- Star Wars is a kiddie movie. Dune is for real.
star wars is a joke compared with dune , imagine star wars as a novel ? no , well there you go .
@@napoliansolo7865 Meh. We have a Chosen One storyline, unobtanium and space magic in Dune. Not impressed either.
@felix daleth we've more than that
I can stress enough how awesome this is. Can't believe I only found this series now.
I've listened to this 5 times... and never bores me!
thanks Quinn!
Yes! New lengthy content!
NICE. God-Emperor is next!
Can't wait ... really loved God Emperor of Dune
Leto II is no match for the God Emperor of Mankind - even as he sits upon His Golden Throne!
Your timing couldn't have been better. I just started Children of Dune recently, and had just started Dune as a whole a little bit prior.
I didn’t know anything about dune yesterday. Today I’m watching these in a row while at work, on the train, and before bed. Incredible job narrating and putting this together.
I would a definitely read a Dune series set between Children Of Dune and God Emporer Of Dune !
Don't go giving Kevin Anderson the idea. He'll produce 3,000 years of Leto II as BBC Sherlock.
Phenomenal summary of one of the most interesting and convoluted novels in the series. You did a solid job unwinding the layers within layers of political intrigue Herbert squeezed in here.
I think you also captured the heart of The Golden Path. Paul was unwilling to make the personal sacrifice, but he also could not accept responsibility for the millennia of sacrifice which must be thrust upon Humanity in order to save it.
Just realized that the Golden Path has parallels to the Foundation in Asimov's books. Great minds think alike, I suppose.
I had to read the whole series 4 times before a little bit of understanding seeped in. (I was in my late twenties and not so bright)
Now I revisited Dune through this channel and I am amazed. I want to read it again. Being there. +++!
most anticipated video of the past few months
You have a great reading voice and depict the characters well. I think you should do audiobooks.
Absolutely beautifully told! This book was my favorite of the series!
Dune is the best!
This series goes completely bananaballs after the first novel lol
@@bartomiejzak7974 Because Yueh himself believed she was dead when he joined the house, and indeed until very shortly before the events of Dune. So no one was lying, there was no lie to uncover.
@@bartomiejzak7974 You may want to re-read Dune. The reason that Yueh was even able to bypass his conditioning was because his wife was a bene gesserit who taught him how to break his conditioning. The fact that Yueh was even able to break his conditioning was unkown to the Atreides. Also, Yueh knew his wife was killed by the Harkonen. The only reason he betrayed the Atreides was so that he could guarantee his revenge against Vladamir by having Leto kill him.
@@bartomiejzak7974 You sound like a Harkonnen
This was the whole point. The first book was designed to be disguised as a typical kind of heros journey story whereas herbert's vision was more a complete criticism of the whole idea of the charismatic hero and leader and how we should reject them. Paul becomes just that at the end of the first book. Then we get the idea pushed further with leto II who is pretty much an evil tyrant even though technically hes doing what he does to save the human race
@@jackburton4536 What a dumbass that Yueh was. He knew his wife was dead, and he still betrayed the Atreides. Had he not done that, and let Tufir know what the Barron's plan! was it's very likely that Leto would have defeated the combined Harkonen and Corrino army and become Emperor himself, having exposed Shaddam for the backstabber that he was and won the full support of the Landsraad. Would not have been a more satisfying revenge?
Please, give us more! The Ultimate Guide to Dune must flow!
Recent subscriber and long time fan of Dune. I love your obvious passion for this material. Keep up the good work.
32:40 i laughed when you mentioned the battle at the end of time and give us a screenshot of one of the battles of EvE online XD
made my day!
Wow, this is awesome. It brings back my locked away memories of reading this so long ago.
thank you for doing this!
You do amazing work, so excited for this!
thank you!
Could you do a video on Alia Atreides after God Emperor? I loved her character since the first book and found her fall into abomination to be so sad. It’s been years since I read the books but her story stuck with me the most out of all the characters.
Such a sad story :(
@@itai82 when she was screaming for her mother as she was being possessed shortly before she killed herself that hit me hard man...
Probably my favorite character, tbh i don't like much what happened to her, it felt weird and out nowhere and there is no catharsis to her ending, it's just sad. Wasted opportunities, imho.
edit: Also, i liked lady Jessica in Dune, she is clearly a flaw character but a very well written one. There is a great moment with her when she tells Paul to be his own person, it is a great arc for her... after that book though :sigh:
@@user-lp7tx1fe6t "I want my brother" still haunts me...
Amazing video. This book is truly a masterpiece, and your narration does it justice. Thank you for your work.
Such amazing work Quinn I’m so happy to share this with my partner during our couch time she’s been getting into dune slowly so we’re watching this series slowly and repeatedly
32:33 - Today I learned that Kralizec is the Battle of B-R5RB in Eve Online.
Check out those Avatars.
THIS IS NOW MY HEADCANON!
Would you consider doing videos on the philosophies on life, politics, etc, that Herbert touches upon in his books? I know you lightly go over them but as well as you cover the plot & characters of these books the philosophy he writes is on par with Niche, or many other great authors. Just an optimistic thought 😉