Customers Not Paying Their Invoices, Getting Screwed Over

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  • čas přidán 9. 01. 2018
  • How many of you hate it when customers don't pay their invoice?
    I know I do. In this video I talk about two different ways you can insure to get paid more often.
    1. Go to a pre pay service
    2. Have a credit card on file
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  • @jamescpalmer
    @jamescpalmer Před 4 lety +13

    Pro tip, please do this: Bill upfront. If they don't like the job -> Refund. If they don't like the upfront -> Walk.
    I haven't chased an invoice since 2017.

  • @gitfiddler716
    @gitfiddler716 Před 6 lety +46

    Most of my customers pay me at time of service. If they're not home they just hide the payment somewhere outside and let me know where it will be.

  • @pjmtts
    @pjmtts Před 6 lety +54

    The customer who is scared off by pre-payment or giving you a cc# is the same one you don’t want as a customer.

    • @wildbill23c
      @wildbill23c Před 6 lety +4

      Yep, meanwhile they have their credit card on file online with probably a dozen retail websites for their online shopping...I find it funny so many people don't want to give out that information yet they have it saved on several websites for quick checkout LOL.

    • @0Myles0
      @0Myles0 Před 4 lety +1

      @@wildbill23c Good point. They're ok to shop online and give their CC# to strangers, but the lawn guy whom they welcome around their home and family isn't trustworthy.

    • @alienlatino2945
      @alienlatino2945 Před 3 lety +4

      Yeah but what if I give you pre-payments and you take out my pay and don't do the service? Lots of people are screwed over by contractors too.

    • @galorchs8867
      @galorchs8867 Před 3 lety +1

      @@alienlatino2945 Yup, thought of the same thing when I heard it, plenty of people get screwed over like this

    • @exotik4123
      @exotik4123 Před 2 lety +1

      Yup, and the customers who wait until you contact them for payment and then they get mad at you for calling them weekly

  • @turdsandwicher
    @turdsandwicher Před 6 lety +6

    I had a couple when I first started who refused to pay. I still feel like strangling them. Credit card on file or pay in advance is a must.

  • @CopperCreekCuts
    @CopperCreekCuts Před 6 lety +8

    Credit card on file has worked great for me during my first season (2017). As long as you convey it with confidence and keep it simple, people don't put up a fight.EDIT: Forgot to mention I bill every week after service is rendered.

  • @95Gabe
    @95Gabe Před rokem +2

    "Still don't get paid, whaddya do?" Big sign on a board in the back of an old truck parked outside his property. A huge message on the sign telling the customer that when he pays for the 6 weeks of lawncare you will move the truck.

  • @frankiefrank2628
    @frankiefrank2628 Před 6 lety +10

    We only have two options; prepay for the month or payment is due at the time of service. We only take cash and etransfers or it's no business.

  • @greenwaylawncareandlandsca2961

    I have done pre payment for a few years now and I offered pre pay one month at a time, half the summer and I have them a 5% discount, or the whole summer( not including leaves or any other requested services) and have them a 7% discount. It really drew people in and it was a lot of time saved for me not having to do invoices all the time. It also saved me the hassle of chasing my money!

    • @wildbill23c
      @wildbill23c Před 6 lety

      That's a great way to do it as well, prepay and I'll give you a discount. Discount is a great way to get people's attention, even if its just a small amount, the customer feels like you are giving them a great deal and its saving them a little money. Great job on your discount plan.

  • @huntzt3711
    @huntzt3711 Před 6 lety +17

    I’m not as big but I have them put cash or check in a safe location each visit. No pay. No loss really. Works great for my little setup

    • @acfuller86
      @acfuller86 Před 6 lety +2

      That was works well when you’re not a legitimate business.

    • @acfuller86
      @acfuller86 Před 5 lety

      Jason #get legit. Get a business checking account, pay taxes. It’ll catch up to you if you don’t. Or just listen to idiots like Jason giving you advise

  • @LansingLawnServiceLLC
    @LansingLawnServiceLLC Před 6 lety +7

    I have done prepay for the last 2 years. I have only had 2 people not sign up because I do prepay and one has come back and said that they can’t find anyone reliable so they would like to go with my service. They may be prepaying but if you explain that this is the only protection you have as a business owner to not get ripped off the customer 99.99% of the time understands and will prepay for high quality, reliable service. I do my billing once a month and one month in advance. If I have to miss a cut I simply credit a cut on their next invoice. With prepayment as a business owner you do have avoid any appearance of being shady. So no showing up two days late for a job or taking a vacation without communicating it to your customers. With prepAyment communication with your customers is key.

  • @ddayot
    @ddayot Před 6 lety +6

    Trying to start my own business and had this EXACT question. Thanks Brian.

    • @wildbill23c
      @wildbill23c Před 6 lety +3

      Prepay is the way to go, and have their payment information on file as well. Be sure to keep a log of each property that you take care of, what you did on xx day, take before/after pictures if you feel uneasy about a client.

  • @PotentSyncDan
    @PotentSyncDan Před rokem +1

    Why do you feel the customer needs time to pay? For us in the trades, it de-values us. What other industry or service has time or leniency to pay? Do you leave the grocery store or wal mart and have 2-4 weeks to pay? Nope. This is exactly why contractors and service people get screwed is because of this mentality that was set a long time ago. Props to you for being professional and not being an angry person even when we all have had those moments when we wanted to be and take action.

  • @eagle1333
    @eagle1333 Před 6 lety +19

    Bought my 6'3" 240lb. cousin a black suit black shirt black tie and black Fedora Hat gave him a $10 cigar and sent him out to collect past due bills.... That was 2yrs. ago and I haven't had any late payments since, as word got around very quickly...lol Sometimes you just have to get creative...!!!!!

  • @passwordtaco
    @passwordtaco Před 6 lety +19

    When a client signs up, I send them a credit card authorization form. They fill it out, sign it, and send it back before I even put them on the schedule. As soon as the yard is serviced the card gets ran.

    • @wildbill23c
      @wildbill23c Před 6 lety

      You just hope they haven't cancelled the card or that the form they filled out was fake.

    • @soldtobediers
      @soldtobediers Před 3 lety +1

      @@wildbill23c Nothing would be better of recorded proof for the police & your lawyer.

  • @hedunlap
    @hedunlap Před 3 lety +2

    My lawn guy bills me right after the last service of the month. I get an email with the total. It varies because sometimes I have him do extra stuff. The day I get his email invoice is the day I electronically pay him. It's never been a problem for either of us. Same day pay is not that hard. There's really no need to give a client two weeks to pay.

  • @ftowles2001
    @ftowles2001 Před 6 lety +4

    Violin is playing. Been there doin that. Billing is tuff turf. Credit card numbers fail sometimes so don't believe having one on file works always. Being a solo guy I prefer monthly billing as it saves much time with office work. Last year sucked as I had one customer that did not pay. The way I am looking at it is, my tips from other customers has more than covererd that outstanding invoice. As far as making sure I get paid, that depends on my gut feeling when doing the mandatory walk walkaround discussing how I might can help before trading signatures. Some have to pony up and prepay, some don't. You know the feeling. Peace.

    • @wildbill23c
      @wildbill23c Před 6 lety +1

      If you only had 1 customer fail to pay that's doing pretty well. Tips are always a great bonus to your job well done, and something to note on the customer's account that they tip and be sure and send them a Thank you card every season to let them know you appreciate their business. I've even seen a few that do a little discount for those who are repeat customers and/or refer a new customer.

  • @hlwlawnservice3405
    @hlwlawnservice3405 Před 6 lety +3

    Even though I’m a small business, I still have a payment plan, being payment at the time of service. Whether that’s coming out and paying me, or leaving a note on the door with my name on it, as long as it’s at the time of service. Pre payment sounds like a good idea, and I might try it out in the future. Thanks!

  • @gunnlandscaping9590
    @gunnlandscaping9590 Před 6 lety +1

    We bill monthly for 12 month and 8 month contracts. For example, lawn care is only April-November this adds a nice little buffer to start with before you ever even provide service just Incase they decide to stop paying. This is a great concept for our full service clients too. Full service meaning; seasonal mulch, monthly landscape management, turf apps, irrigation and lawn care) snow removal is separated. Most of ours have been narrowed down to full service clients anyways. I also got tired of chasing the small bucks. That’s where the moneys at! Commercial and Estate.
    Great advice brother!
    Oh also leaf removal and fall clean up etc. you get the idea.

  • @eliteirrigationrepairllc9899

    Ran a lawn mainteance company that did 1.8M year in sales. 1.) stop doing residential. 2.) bill at the beginning of the month and give 30 days to pay. (I.e. bill May 1st and expect payment May 31st. 3.) show up and ask for the payment. 4.) stop doing residential properties. Good luck man.

  • @lawnenforcementpropertyser9915

    I also use yardbooks and invoice every week. I have 20 weekly accounts and have had little to no issues with customers not paying. You may think that invoicing every week is a pain and time consuming but yardbooks makes it easy. They have a "recurring invoice" feature that automatically generates the invoice for you every week. All you have to do is email it to the customer. It takes me less than ten minutes to invoice my 20 accounts. My general rule is I never let a customer get more than $100 behind on their account. As soon as it hits the $100 mark I stop mowing until I get paid. I've been in business for two years and I've only had to stop service for one customer.

  • @johnbailey9682
    @johnbailey9682 Před 6 lety +27

    And thats why all our accounts pre pay. We have a number of custmers who even pay for the whole year in advance. I did not think that would ever work but we have over 300 accounts . I will never go back to the old way pay at the end of the month. You are right but then I do not have our trucks wrapped and we only go by word of mouth. So when some new comes along they already have an idea we only do prepay.. the great side is we do not even look for new customers but get more every year. But then again your a kid just starting out Brian yes I said kid. I have been doing this since I was 8 well im in my 70s now so been there done that . Prepay or go away !

    • @TopNotchLawns
      @TopNotchLawns  Před 6 lety +1

      Haha, how long have you been doing pre pay?

    • @finaltouchlawnapplications3924
      @finaltouchlawnapplications3924 Před 6 lety

      That’s funny. And, Yes, he is right!

    • @theadoragrigoris5292
      @theadoragrigoris5292 Před 6 lety +1

      We are large 400+ , Prepayment on residential accounts i have found has been safe, consistent and sellable. A Very good alternative to a contract

    • @workingcountry1776
      @workingcountry1776 Před 6 lety +1

      Wow, i suppose if i had been in business for 60 years I wouldn't need advertisements either...

    • @johnbailey9682
      @johnbailey9682 Před 6 lety

      CountryBoy85 never needed to do advertisements just word of mouth .

  • @markschmaus3430
    @markschmaus3430 Před 6 lety +10

    I bill weekly. 2nd Mow doesnt happen until 1st Mow is paid for. 2nd option is I encourage everyone to prepay for as many "Mows" as they like. I let them know when they have 1 Mow left so they can prepay ahead again. Works well. I have over 150 clients.

    • @skylertalley
      @skylertalley Před 6 lety

      Mark Schmaus how do you keep track of how many mows they have paid for?

    • @markschmaus3430
      @markschmaus3430 Před 6 lety +1

      Skyler_7485 I use a ledger for each client. Pmts vs Services provided. As we move thru the seasons i roll any overages in pmts to the next season. I.e.....leaf vacuum. Snow removal. If a client wants proof i can show them their ledger page.

    • @ousamaabdu794
      @ousamaabdu794 Před 6 lety

      Mark Schmaus
      Mark, when you say ledger is it like a paper ledger? If so can you tell me what brand/info that you use? Thanks

    • @markschmaus3430
      @markschmaus3430 Před 6 lety

      Ousama Abdu 3x5 index card. 1 card per client

    • @ousamaabdu794
      @ousamaabdu794 Před 6 lety

      Mark Schmaus
      Thanks for the info. I haven't set up any lawn care software for my company get. Do you do use any software in addition to the index card system for your 150 accounts?

  • @johnbailey9682
    @johnbailey9682 Před 6 lety +1

    I started doing it about 7 years ago Brian . And yes I did lose a few people at first but picked up new customers so there was not really any loss.

  • @Johnslawncare
    @Johnslawncare Před 6 lety +1

    Good video! Myself i get paid by the cut. if they miss a week i expect it there the next time i cut the lawn. Ive never had issues over 2 weeks.

  • @Ajkendallmindsetmentor
    @Ajkendallmindsetmentor Před 6 lety +2

    We have about 25% of our customers credit card saved and we charge after service same day. Amazing!!! Will eventually get all our customers like that

  • @ryanslawnthings4743
    @ryanslawnthings4743 Před 6 lety

    Good video Brian I do is bill every 3 cuts with a 10 days to pay this has worked good for me because generally the money rolls in before my own bills do. I have 3 customers that pre pay for the entire year 30 cuts, 1spring and 2 fall cleanups they pay by March 15th which makes a nice buffer coming out of winter.

  • @georgerobinson9275
    @georgerobinson9275 Před 3 lety +3

    I always got paid on demand right after services were done and all of my customers were fine with it!
    Problem solved.

  • @smileybrotherslawncare9599

    Hey Brian! I use yardbooks also, and have had alittle trouble due to having osme customers wanting to pay different ways... I am hoping to switch to credit card billing next year though to make the whole process alot easier!

  • @randomdude21264
    @randomdude21264 Před 5 lety

    Great video! We all share these problems. You have some good solutions

  • @Pure_KodiakWILD_Power
    @Pure_KodiakWILD_Power Před 6 lety +3

    if i don't know you, no more than 2 cuts out for small properties, one cut for large properties. eventually i may go credit card on file, but thankfully i don't have to chase alot of money.

  • @semisocial7158
    @semisocial7158 Před 6 lety +1

    I also use yardbook and require a credit card on file for lawn and snow service... it gets automatically charged after 7 days of non payment and it works great... the down fall is that I lost/lose (potential) clients (not a significant amoun lost ) because this system is not yet common for “the lawn guy”... but the convenience factor for myself and my customers is amazing. emailing invoices saves so much in time, gas, envelopes, paper etc... it will be easier when it’s a common request for our service but it is The best option I have come across.... so often I hear the words “can you just charge my card”😁

    • @turdsandwicher
      @turdsandwicher Před 6 lety

      You didn't really lose any customers. You just didn't get the ones who aren't going to pay.

    • @kmwjr9
      @kmwjr9 Před 6 lety

      Right !!!!

  • @my_life_my_way
    @my_life_my_way Před 6 lety +1

    What normally works for me is pay as soon as service is completed. If they want to pay every 2 weeks fine but i need payment in hand before i mow again after that. If week 3 rolls around and they havent paid, i skip them.

  • @davidhinson5010
    @davidhinson5010 Před 6 lety

    Are you able to do auto draft? From NC
    I always left the check every week in the grill.

  • @lawncommander
    @lawncommander Před 6 lety

    With yard books does the customer have to authorize payment when they get the email or does it automatically get drafted

  • @sg7392
    @sg7392 Před rokem +1

    I used to leave the money under the hood of the bbq. When working away would prepay a Month in advance.

  • @FreemanAllPurpose
    @FreemanAllPurpose Před 6 lety +1

    Yeah I hate chasing money so I decided to go with those two options pre payment or card on file and I even explain why if they don't understand why then I don't mind not having them as a customer because at the end of the day we are operating a business so don't let it bother you

  • @ronslawncarequalityservice8896

    I just started last year in 2017 I got paid same day when finished mowing. I did do 3 one time mows and never got paid got my regular customers that pays when I finish but this year all new customers I’m going to require prepay

  • @JohnnyMow
    @JohnnyMow Před 6 lety +15

    21 years monthly billing. I have been taken a few times but I am under 600 bucks in 21 years.

    • @TopNotchLawns
      @TopNotchLawns  Před 6 lety +1

      Johnny Mow Good to hear from you Johnny. $600 over 21 yrs is pretty darn good. Hope your do well buddy!

    • @mariomurgas8536
      @mariomurgas8536 Před 6 lety

      Johnny Mow my man. Good to see you at leat in comment section.
      Also sir I've been thinking. Would you be able to give me a few hrs of your time obviously for a charge. I want to get into fertilizing and all that staff. I know I get the licenses. Easy but I really would like to learn from someone that has actually do this fir costumers.
      Let me know what do you think.

  • @finaltouchlawnapplications3924

    Great Video, Great Question!
    We do a combination of:
    -Annual Program (contract) only customers for weekly mowing frequency.
    40 mowing visits (48 if they need leaf vacuuming) multiplied by their mowing rate, say $45, = $1800 (or $2160), amortized over their 12 month cycle, $150 (or $180) per month. Then, we only do PrePay monthly, quarterly and semi-annually. PrePay Annual to receive discount, all with CC on file regardless of frequency. Once this service is established, other stand alone labor items such as: shrub trimming along with Irrigation Startups/Shutdowns, are also amortized and added. Other stand alone items with material cost and labor we can put in the 12 month program are: Monthly Lawn and Tree & Shrub Apps, we do the same formula as above.
    Items to be A La Carte, per year:
    -leaf vacuuming(s) if extra.
    -4 Turf Fungicide Summer apps.
    -1 Flea & Tick Turf app.
    -1 long term Grub Turf app.
    -2 Pine Needle refurbishments for beds/ natural areas.
    -1 Mulch refurbishment per year for beds/ natural areas.
    -2 Flower installments per year, cool and warm season.
    -1 Soil Test.
    -1 Seeding Package in Fall, Aera-Vation, Seeding, starter fertilizer and lime.
    All services mentioned above can be included in the Annual Program only when PrePaying Annually. Under this umbrella, discounts are given for mowing service and all other services listed. PrePay discounts/specials/deals start at 5% with possibly a freebie for the first service visit for some items.
    We are currently using Jobber found at GetJobber.com. After several years of Jobber we are now transitioning to RealGreen.com Real Green System’s new cloud based SA5, the C.A.W. And absolutely everything else they have to offer. Really looking forward to the next level with them for many years to come and all their products within their wagon wheel of services offered. No more duplicate, triplicate entry for anything ever again. Using several different programs that do not sync up will make you crazy🤪.
    Looking forward to Real Green Systems🚗🎉!
    Excuse the ton-o-info. Hope you enjoy!
    -Lee

  • @danielrylance4658
    @danielrylance4658 Před 6 lety +1

    went from cash cause people forgot , went to invoice which i bill them as soon as job is complete. however that doesnt really work either as they seem to think they can take as long as they want and i want same day payment i mow fortnightly / bi weekly they have 2 weeks to know im coming and have payment ready. ive thought about pre payment option as well as late payment fee of $25 if it 7 days late . but general consensus was they wouldnt like pre payment .as for credit card on file wonder if that works for general bank cards as i highly doubt my clients have them cc i dont have one.

  • @HFConstruction
    @HFConstruction Před 6 lety +3

    Not sure on percentages but I only had one potential customer turn me down last year because of prepayment.

    • @GravelBackMechanic
      @GravelBackMechanic Před 6 lety +1

      You probably saved yourself a headache. Prepay has been an awesome screening tool for me. So far whenever my gut told me that something wasn't right about a potential client, the prepayment requirement would show me that they were not a good fit. Most would complain, "How do I know you will do the work?" And I would think to myself, "How do I know you will pay me after the work is done?"

    • @thekingscourtyardlawncares9324
      @thekingscourtyardlawncares9324 Před 5 lety

      That's was probably a good thing. Usually if they don't agree to prepay, they wont planning on paying anyway.

  • @raymondsmithiii9147
    @raymondsmithiii9147 Před 6 lety

    Hey there, I’m watching your video on CZcams tv. But anyway I’m the owner of Smith Co. LawnCare and landscaping, I New to it so I need some ideas.
    But what do you think about having a credit card/debit card Machine I’ve been thinking about getting one but idk

  • @thelawnguardian7134
    @thelawnguardian7134 Před 6 lety

    How do you show multiple days on The yard book invoice. I billed monthly but I can’t figure out how to put multiple days on one invoice

  • @philthelawnman
    @philthelawnman Před 6 lety +2

    I have always worked pre pay. It works. You pay for the services before you get them just like you pay for your cable before you use it or your gasoline at the pump. You have no worry because of Any of my customers gets rained out you get a rain check for the next month on your service and that's credited to service that you've already paid for. Would you like to set that account for your monthly payment up on check or credit card I take American Express Visa Mastercard and discover. All your information is safe because I use Square card reader and all your information is incryptid. Easy peasy lemon squeezy.

  • @robbyharrison9915
    @robbyharrison9915 Před 6 lety +1

    Brian do u incorporate a tip fee in your yearbook when your done

    • @TopNotchLawns
      @TopNotchLawns  Před 6 lety

      Absolutely, I haven’t checked lately but probably close to $500 in tips this year.

  • @crazycory25
    @crazycory25 Před 6 lety +1

    I used to do it per mow. But, I have since quit mowing yards due to moving to an apartment, and no long being able to keep a mower around.

  • @beardetla
    @beardetla Před 6 lety +1

    right now with mowing residential invoicing at the end of the month and might add this year a 25 dollar late after 14 days. landscaping payment at the time it is completed and if it big some prepayment. but commercial will be all at the end of the month which what i am going when i graduate college

  • @progreengroundservices4038

    I get my money upfront Big guy!! been doing it for 13 years. People have screwed me to much lol

  • @sleightthomas
    @sleightthomas Před 6 lety +3

    Prepay and credit card on file are great and so is reporting to the Big Three Credit Agencies of a non-paying consumer. This is also why we have three other tools in our arsenal, #1. Slingshot, #2. Water Balloons, and #3. 2/4-D which makes a wonderful pattern, LOL. No! seriously, if they don't want to pay, this is what small claims court is about. The best thing you can do is advertise a cheapskate in the local paper so others don't get screwed like you did, and stop mowing them without an increase in rates.

  • @donaldjwright57
    @donaldjwright57 Před 6 lety +1

    After many years in the lawn care nusiness....my customers pay at end of weekly service or prepay
    I have had very little resistance. If theres an issue then they're not my customer.

  • @davidb9987
    @davidb9987 Před 6 lety +1

    I switched to pre-pay. I'm so much happier now. I lose 1 job for every 20-30. Most of the ones I lose give me the feeling of a customer I don't want. Non payer or even the nock on the door & I will pay you cash types. Both you don't really want if you have grown to the level your describing. Your time is incredibly valuable at this point. Especially with employees on the clock. The nock on door pay you when I see you types are not reliably there & try to tell you it doesn't need it. Then you just paid all your guys to burn some of your fuel to drive to a house, eating the very limited day light for nothing.

  • @andrewbrenneman3782
    @andrewbrenneman3782 Před 6 lety +2

    Have you had to put a lein on a client? Or thought about it? With my tractor work, I normally get paid the same day. Unfortunately not always the case.

  • @andybub45
    @andybub45 Před 6 lety +1

    I hate it. It's only happened once, but for a teenager like me trying to grow my business, its a pain. I just keep telling them to pay it, and if they still dont, I just put them on a "Do not service list". Prepay would make me have less customers, and mostly the unpaid amount is not big. If it is a big unpaid amount, I would have to go further. But it hasnt come to that yet. I do also use the 2 week due date.

  • @TopNotchPropertyServiceLLC

    I use yardbook as well. I do charge card on file for all recurring services and send an invoice with two weeks until due for all other services. I’m currently re evaluating this as I have a big job ($1000+) that I feel I may not get paid for. We’re already on week 3 a week past due. I may need to change how I do larger jobs. Perhaps do a percentage down upon arrival.

  • @andrewstratton7095
    @andrewstratton7095 Před 6 lety +1

    Since I bill monthly for mowing i put on my invoices due upon receipt. I feel like people pay me faster because of that. Of course I still have slow payers but I usually get paid by everyone within 2 weeks

  • @bradroller8456
    @bradroller8456 Před 4 lety

    I do credit card on file and I bill the credit card after every service so I’m paid the next day in my checking account. I do it every night when I get home and I have 57 weekly lawn accounts.

  • @ohiodigger4391
    @ohiodigger4391 Před 6 lety

    When I had my company and we were mowing about 110-120/week we had a pretty good split of weekly and monthly paying customers. Fuel costs were crazy high and having a good chunk of customers paying weekly really helped with cash flow. Granted I was getting checks in the mail pretty much 5-6 days/week but I'd rather deal with that than chasing 4-6 weeks of mowing on 120 customers. I sold my business back in '08 but started doing some side work in '17.

  • @JamesZ1025
    @JamesZ1025 Před 6 lety +36

    Roundup nonpayers, tell em you're fertilizing

  • @Section8Consulting
    @Section8Consulting Před 5 lety

    We process payments before we pullout the driveway .I don't have time run loan agency .If your card fails you get 24 hr grace period and then off to collections.

  • @dandylawnandmaintenance4407

    Great video. I am still trying to figure it out after 5 years now. I have never had someone actually not pay but I have a couple or 3 that pay slow. Thing is some of those slow people are wealthy so its not like they dont have the funds they just give you the whole thing and maybe then some after a couple months. I also allow them to pay many different ways but I am starting to miss getting paid right away compared to monthly as I have been doing last 2 years. Hate the paperwork. In the old days I would have quit service for slow payers but then later realized how much I was making from them. Should not have done that. I am way to easy. Let us know what you come up with I think that two week thing you have been doing sounds pretty good.

  • @rubberbandproductions6885

    I will be using the square app and have automatic payments every week or two.

  • @ilike2mow
    @ilike2mow Před 6 lety

    My customers either pay each visit, or monthly. I haven't had any issues with nonpayment, but I am only dealing with about 35 to 40 customers. I may change when I have more clients but I haven't had any issues with my present setup.

  • @JsCrazyCutzLLC
    @JsCrazyCutzLLC Před 6 lety

    So,we charge a flat rate by the month,wether its a 4or5 week month. We bill at the 1st of month and is due by the end of the month. We cut biweekly in the spring and fall ,weekly in summer. It all averages out to about 3 cuts a month over the season. Been doing this for 5 years, only got shafted a few times billing this way.

  • @Michshnly
    @Michshnly Před 5 lety

    I have a question about customers who don't feel like paying or they pay when it's convenient. Bi-weekly customers not one shot deal customers. Do you bill bi-weekly customers monthly or at time of service? I bill monthly. My lawns all of them are only 350 sq ft tiny lawns at $25 front yard only new homes Gilbert, AZ. These people bought brand new homes at Morrison Ranch, Gilbert at $350-$600K and contact me from flyers wanting service. I'm solo and really go out of my way to make sure each customers lawn is 100% immaculate before leaving. And in return they pay if they feel like it or if there not busy. I do beautiful work been doing this for years now. We are talking only $50 a month cutting grass in 112 degrees. It's not me. They are ripping me off to my face. I need advice please

  • @TimothyJones-yf6tq
    @TimothyJones-yf6tq Před 5 lety

    My customers pay monthly. Some may use the cash app. But mostly everyone pre-pays. It just helps me out in the long run.

  • @keliandjaz
    @keliandjaz Před 6 lety +4

    Most of the seniors pay 1 week ahead and some pay me cash more pay me with Zelle

  • @josecovarrubias1253
    @josecovarrubias1253 Před 6 lety

    Brian, how do you handle stripes processing fees? Do you pass it on to customer or you pay for it and deduct it come tax time? If so, how do you keep track of that?

    • @TopNotchLawns
      @TopNotchLawns  Před 6 lety

      I take the hit and claim it at tax time. Your stripe account will keep track of your fees for the year.

    • @GravelBackMechanic
      @GravelBackMechanic Před 6 lety

      The Stripe fees are very reasonable, especially when you consider that they do not charge monthly service fees to maintain your account. Our pricing has the processing fees built into our overhead. At tax time, we claim the processing fees.

    • @josecovarrubias1253
      @josecovarrubias1253 Před 6 lety

      Thanks for the replies. I’ve actually been passing it on to the customer. I think I’ll start doing the same as you guys.

  • @logicalrationality3521

    10yrs in business, month in advance billing from day one, can't recall anyone ever having a problem with it...rarely ever have to chase money. Guess I'm lucky that way

  • @JWNLawnCare
    @JWNLawnCare Před 6 lety

    Yeah I hate when that happens. Not many people like the idea of prepaying over here though so that puts me in a bit of a difficult situation.

  • @willieslawncareservice.8436

    You are absolutely right,👍👍👍✌😎

  • @mark-ew8hk
    @mark-ew8hk Před 6 lety +2

    I get paid when the job is done or they pre-pay for like 5 mows

  • @thomasmulvihill289
    @thomasmulvihill289 Před 6 lety

    In still just a small company and decided to offer various forms of payment and actually a slight discount depending on method. I have pre-pay either monthly quarterly or for the year, billed at the end of the month or billed by service most new customers go pay as you go but I usually get them switched over within a month or so. I use "quickbooks" and can keep a card on file and then I'll accept cash cheque credit or debit, I use a "Square reader" for in field/same day transactions.

  • @beachriverlandscapes
    @beachriverlandscapes Před 6 lety

    I offer a discount for year payed in full some go for that. I offer prepay as an option. I also send proposals with print that explains unpaid invoices will be subject to a collection agent which is legal now/that works best of all I found

  • @ACMEMowing
    @ACMEMowing Před 6 lety

    I'm shooting for prepaid or CC on file. Going to just start off with that right off the bat. Too much stress chasing down people that owe me money!

  • @thebountyhunteraddictjames6696

    I charge £20 an hour in the UK one time somebody didn't pay for six hours of work so after another month I started dumping loads of garden rubbish on their driveway until I was paid up basically in the UK you have to pay to empty your vehicle of garden waste which is £20 for a full load of my truck dump truck so you can imagine how much rubbish was on their driveway and they still didn't pay me but at the end of the day I still made my money back by dumping it on their drive they tried to call the police the police came and the cop just stood there and laughed he said to me I would have done the same thing if they didn't pay lol

  • @aaronray1733
    @aaronray1733 Před 6 lety +4

    I collect after a mow every time

  • @scotteckles
    @scotteckles Před 6 lety +1

    I get paid every mow cash or check .. only accounts that don't pay me that way are commercial accounts that I bill monthly.. granted I only have 25 accounts and I've groomed it to be this way over the past 4 years since I started it up .. but I totally agree with the whole credit card deal with a business as big as yours

  • @doughall1352
    @doughall1352 Před 6 lety

    I do a pay upon receipt and if customer is not home i email an invoice as soon as i finish. Take 2 minutes tops and get paid regularly.

  • @karenstafford724
    @karenstafford724 Před rokem +2

    Never do a job before you get paid. Always get paid first.

  • @cummins0391
    @cummins0391 Před 6 lety +1

    All of them have the pros and cons. If you owe me big $ and don’t want to pay I’ll take a lien on your property and then you incur all the extra fees and time I have to put into the lien process. But that’s only if you owe more than couple hundred dollars. 👍🏻 Bryan

  • @dustinwee4019
    @dustinwee4019 Před 6 lety

    I give my new customers the option to pre pay if they want and i bill most of my customers monthly mostly and put on all my invoices a net due date and a late payment fee of $5.00 and say may also result in taking them to collections if not paid by the due date.

  • @perryschmoll7088
    @perryschmoll7088 Před 6 lety

    I do the prepaid and I implemented Greg's (G2F) system of getting paid two cuts upfront. First cut I leave a receipt following the cut and the second mow I leave a self-addressed envelope reminding them that another payment for two services is due. I really don't get very many customers doing the weekly cut, so this system seems to work great for me.

    • @perryschmoll7088
      @perryschmoll7088 Před 6 lety

      I also give the option for them to get a onetime 'trial service' (prepaid as well), if they are a little bit skeptical.

    • @perryschmoll7088
      @perryschmoll7088 Před 6 lety

      I think that I really don't scare away any customers going prepaid, I explain that they as a dissatisfied customer can write a bad review for my website, where I as the service provider don't really have much recourse to take action against a non-payer and that is why I get prepaid first before a job. It is usually agreed by a new customer as a smart move on my part.

  • @brutallyhonestmf5578
    @brutallyhonestmf5578 Před 6 lety +1

    Prepay or leave a check in a secured location.

  • @joeanderson9229
    @joeanderson9229 Před 6 lety

    I switched to using jobber and paying. Invoices are automatically created and sent with push of button. Some clients are on monthly deals. Invoices 20th, due on 20th of next month so you can cancel service on the last week

  • @borismedved835
    @borismedved835 Před rokem

    From the thumbnail: "Your Late." Customer: "My Late?! WTF? My What?"

  • @monteglenn3718
    @monteglenn3718 Před 6 lety +1

    I wven went as far as putting pay up sucker in roundup in the yard i finally got my money. That was years ago tho before i went lagit.

  • @happilyretiredmark2964
    @happilyretiredmark2964 Před 6 lety +1

    Been lucky so far I guess but I've never gotten burned doing monthly billing. No way I'd prepay for lawn service. But I wouldn't pay for it with a credit card either!

  • @ajandnik1
    @ajandnik1 Před 6 lety

    I put pre payed envelopes in my bills so all they have to do is right a check put it back in the mailbox they love it and I use the postage as a write off

  • @pjmtts
    @pjmtts Před 6 lety +1

    that idea to have a cc on file to bill if late is pointless . just get the cc# and bill at the moment service is completed. you will never chase $ again. I truly think billing for service to be paid days or weeks later is a horrible way to run a service business like lawn care. Payment due immediately upon service being performed unless paid in advance

  • @joekane5029
    @joekane5029 Před 6 lety

    Good points Brian ...like the scag hat 😎

  • @lawnstarsnola7030
    @lawnstarsnola7030 Před 6 lety +3

    Our policy: Cash is King. Credit cards also accepted. Sorry, No checks or billing.
    I use Paypal Here and have the app on my phone plus a external card swiper. The CC number is input directly by me, card can be swiped or customer invoiced by email or message app for pre-payment. Annual customers provide a CC number and are charged after each service plus a small paypal convenience fee, usually before I leave the location. 1 time or infrequent customers pay at the end of a job if they are going to be onsite, otherwise they can leave cash or I will send them a invoice that is going to be prepaid before I will schedule the job.

    • @caleboldhouser478
      @caleboldhouser478 Před 6 lety

      Lawn Stars NOLA that’s all good until you go to retire and didn’t pay into Soc Security. I pay taxes on every job I do. It’s also better when you go to the bank and want to expand your business.

    • @lawnstarsnola7030
      @lawnstarsnola7030 Před 6 lety +1

      Whoa there! Billing and taxes are two different things. Accepting cash or credit cards doesn't eliminate taxes,payroll or etc. It simply assures payment and eliminates billing. Also Paypal provides a detailed ledger of your annual transactions for tax purposes.

  • @logdon17
    @logdon17 Před 6 lety +1

    I see no reason not to at the minimum do credit card on file and better pre pay. 30 years ago you were kind of stuck but today everyone has access to the internet and credit cards. If someone doesnt have these basics I am very weary about their ability to pay. And in the few cases I did get shafted I made sure to apply a nice grass killer on my final "mow", always felt we were even at that point.

  • @joecoelho7030
    @joecoelho7030 Před 6 lety +1

    My customers either prepay or pay at time of service never ever have to chase money down. Just set it when you get the contract. If the person is real they should have no issue with it . Remember it's your business ! Best of luck

  • @silzeppelin
    @silzeppelin Před 4 lety +1

    Cash up front or no service. The last thing you want is provided service and they don't pay you.

  • @claytonhaynie4718
    @claytonhaynie4718 Před 6 lety

    hi Brian clayon's lawn service and construction here i have payment opitions as well i do mounthly billing i also am starting to do the credit card deal I will accept cash but mostly the other two .

  • @mattslandscaping4246
    @mattslandscaping4246 Před 6 lety

    I give them back the grass clippings same with the snow dump the snow back in the parking lot works every time

  • @fixt100
    @fixt100 Před 6 lety

    Pre pay customers get "Rain Day" priority with me, it sorts most people out and i know who to do first.
    gives them a reason to prepay.

  • @NicktheStumpGuy
    @NicktheStumpGuy Před 6 lety

    I do monthly billing. I've often thought to myself how unfair it is i have to wait 6 weeks to get paid. However, 75 percent of my customers pay on time, the rest pay in a reasonable amount of time. In 5 years, I've had one customer not pay (2 months worth of mowing).

  • @linzierogers6227
    @linzierogers6227 Před 5 lety +1

    Collect after every job. No exceptions.

  • @grandmanancy2609
    @grandmanancy2609 Před 5 lety

    I have a guy who comes when needed and has become a friend. From the first I would give him $100 (tiny yard). He always got gas money. If he does the back yard (1/3 acre) I give him $250. But he also built steps for me and voluntarily repaired a walkway to make it safer (we are elderly). Plus he's a fabulous human being.