HOW TO WIRE PID FOR SINGLE OR MULTIPLE HEATING ELEMENTS | RE-EDITED & UPDATED
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After watching 3 different 20 minute videos on wiring a PID controller, your video really connected all the dots and made it very clear for me, I appreciate you!
This video is amazing. Like others, I spent such a long time trying to understand this with little success, but now I am ready to set up a PID controlled heater!
As others have stated, nicely done - concise and to the point - very professionally created. Thanks for taking the time for us newcomers.
Thank you for this straight-forward description of the steps to wire a PID to control a heating element. Before viewing this tutorial I had gone through literally hours of verbose blogs and videos but none presented such a simple diagram and explanation. Minutes after watching this I had my PID successfully controlling the heat in our burn off oven.
Thank you for the lucid presentation on the PID connection. God bless !
From Addis Ababa, Ethiopia
Very nicely done! Thank you fo rthe time you spared to prepare this video. It's great.
This video is awesome, I'm going to be converting a dial controlled kiln into a pid controlled kiln - really helped me understand what goes where, and WHY!
Thank you I had a slight understanding from other videos but yours helped me really understand I appreciate you
The way you explained things are very easy and clear at least learners don't have a hard time to understand, we appreciate your video, it's full of knowledge, keep it up brother
This is exactly what I was looking for. Thanks for the video!!
thank you for a great video. very useful. looking forward to building my own composite curing oven soon.
Thank you for making this video. Your knowledge sharing is really valuable.
Thanks so much, your effort is appreciated!
Thanks for breaking it down so well.
Thank you
Hello, thanks for sharing your knowledge, i was searching exactly for pid controllers and thermocouples
THX man, It Is so clear to understan, bye from Italy...
Thanks this was very helpful, I will need to run 2 elements for my project.
Very well explained bro....appreciate the afforts..
Hi, great video very easy to follow thank you for sharing. I have question can you add a fuse to this setup? 2nd can you add a count down clock as well.?
This video was outstanding! I was lost and this made my PID wiring so much less intimidating! Thank you SIR!!! Only question, and maybe silly, but what alarm is appropriate? Would you suggest a specific one? Again, thank you for this very clear and easy to follow video.
Fantastic video! You made it very simple and clear. I successfully wired up my own PID circuit using it. I do want to add a way to cut power if a certain temp is reached, what would be the best way to do that? I was thinking wiring a normally closed relay in place of the alarm bell, with the other end connected to the positive/negative of the incoming plug. Is there a better way to do that?
Great video, thank you. Where would a dry cut-off float switch fit in?
great job bro. helpful
Great video ! You made it very clear and easy to understand. I just have two questions :
I would like to power a 24V-90W cartridge heater, is a (max.) 10A 240V SSR enough /too much?
I have found a PID controller that can provide a 3A 250V output , do i even need the SSR ? Thank you
Very amazing video, please make the electric convection oven video with three phase supply three heaters in series, and with fan forward and reverse.
Amazingly clear and informative. Thank you !
Hope this will help you in your projects !
The best explanation so far !!!!!
Great video. I do have a question. So i have dual elements on my strike water for homebrewing. I have one PID connected to one element and one connected straight to anotdd her outlet. If i parallel connect them is that drawing 240V or is it still drawing 120V? I also want to have them connected to one instead of 2 different powers.
This is great .... thanks
Great video! This is exactly how I wired my curing oven up except, I only noticed after that I'd done this and it works, but I wired the input signal side of the ssr from the pid in series instead of parallel. After hooking up a multimeter im getting about 6v to each ssr instead of 12v but my ssr says 3v-32v DC so I being over 3v i don't think it cares whether it's 6v or 12v it sees the signal and completes the circuit on my hot leg to element. Am I totally off? Your opinion would be much appreciated, thanks!
Love your video. I am in Texas, USA. Here we have 240 volts composed of two 120 volt circuits 120° out of phase. I am connecting the heating elements from an old Wall Oven. What mods are required of this circuit, if any? Thanks. Tim
Finally. An explanation for the non electrician.
Thank you from india.... Very usefull bro thanks ആണ് loat
Great Video my friend. I have a 12v alarm busser so I assume I will need to power it by running a 12+ to pin 2 and pin 1 to red on the busser , then busser black wire to a 12v -black source.
Excellent video but I want also to send the measured temperatures to excel in my notebook every 5 seconds. I suppose a small PLC with USB output (Raspberry Pi?) will be required but I am not sure about the configuration and recommended wiring. Do you have a video or suggestions about that? Many thanks
Will i need two ssr for multiple elements? I see 4 elements sticking out from behind my old panel
Very informative. Thank you for the video!!
I want to add PID temperature control to my 240VAC instant hot water heater. What controller and sensor would you recommend?
Is there such a thing as proportional heater control?
A heater controller that factors in flow rate?
thank you
The mc70q is in Celsius so do you know a comparable or same hook up for one that shows temps in Fahrenheit?🤔
Also if you needed let’s say 25+ amps one could swap out the on/of breaker switch to a higher value breaker since the relay is rated at 40amp correct? More concerned about a pid not in Celsius but one in Fahrenheit is needed any ideas on a pid for such?
How accurate is this inkbird pid? The tempature read out on the pid is diffrent than what my infared thermo gun is reading pointing at the thermo couple
What if you only want 1 switch and 2 heating elements? Can you have two wires going to the - and + terminals of the SSR?
With 240v tho there should be two hot leads from plug how do I wire this ? Plz help . Your video is super helpful but I am stuck on this .
Do you need to use 2 ssr relays can I not power 2 elements in parallel via 1 ssr
Sir wanna ask some help,, i was planning on building my self a curing oven for powder coating,, with 2 heating element, with 3000w each,, how much of an amps should i go with the specs??
thank you i like
can i use this wiring for two contactors also , to control two heaters , ? can you upload a video for using two contactors , two heaters and one PID temperature controller , as shown in this video
Very usefull information, thanks for your efforts, cheers!
I understand that you're using this PID for your kilns, for temperature control, what I was wondering if you can use a PID for a furnace and room temperature, use it for a thermostat for your house?
Thanks for answer me in the other video before this.. ok my friend if in my casé i have 4 heating elements equal.. each one gives 1500 watts.. and each one takes 7.5 amp because they are connected in parallel... i could use only 2 relay ssr 40 ampers each one.. and connected un parallel .. in other words 2 heating elements for one ssr? Could i do that.. and the switch on off.. these switch must be 20 amp at least.. because when they are connected they take 30 amp/2 = 15 amp each líne of 110 volts. . And i have house breaker fuse and a lot of protection just in case something happen? Thanks for your time and i will appreciate so much tour opinion. . Thanks
Can that same wiring diagram be used on a powdercoating oven
If i have 30 amps.. that take my heating elements and i am working witt 220 Volt. I must use a 220 volt switch .. or how much volts are in the ssr to the pid?..
Hola. Que tipo de controlador pid es? Gracias
How do you break in to the blue wire for example or do you mean you go from pin 8 to the element or am I just missing something, thank you
Is it for multi heaters with more than 5, the diagram is the same???
This is the video I was looking for, I have a question, if you can receive it and give an answer: I have a 2500W heating element, can I connect to this temperature controller? Thank you.
What's the time passed for heating element to reach desired heat value?
Love your videos. The only thing I am not understanding is this, and everyone please comment to info - You are running 240v which means that there is no actual negative since both lines are hot. So how does the PID know which is hot and which is the negative in relation to getting power to it? You must be using a 3 wire 240V cable yes? two hot wires and one ground? this way you have one wire going to each the positive and the negative in the circuit breaker shown? Then it is a matter of just utilizing the one in the negative side of the circuit breaker to run to PID and split out to the heating elements right?
Does anyone know of a pid controller that will vary the voltage output rather than just cycle on and off. Thanks
Hi, i buy an Rex-700 with 4-20mA Output to connect these Output to an Voltage Regulator SSR-40A with an 4-20mA Input. The Rex-C handle the SSR on and off, but not Power up and down like i hope. I cant find the function in settings. Can you help?
Where does the ground wire connect to from the plug?
Possible to use two heating elements with a single SSR? 2x2kw heating elements, 1x40A SSR, 240VAC
I would like to put 1 pid with 3 ssr for 3 element of 3000 watt (240v) each, can it be possible with only one pid? The switch on the ssr line doesn't need to be a big one(120v) they only cut one line, like you said, its only a switch for a contact NO on the ssr, the control will be done on the pid, right?
Can you tell me the link to get the alarm bell
If you installed a limit switch, where would it go?
can you make an example of how to wire 2 PID rex c100 with 2 heating elements, mcb, switch on / off
Thanks
As per my above comment, aren’t 2elements connected to really act as one long element?
Question: why is it necessary with two elements to use 2 SSR s. Rather than one 40 amp SSR?
can you tell me what PID you are useing
Thanks for the video, what about the ground line? Do you simply splice the ground from the input power like directly to the ground of the element?
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The difference between this configuration and the configuration before its just about the switch.. configuration before i has to use a switch bigger that support most amp. And in this configuration its just normal switch de amp.. or what else change in this configuration? And could i use a ssr of 40 amp.. to a heating elements conected uin parallel like tour pony one ssr to 4 elements heating?
thanks
Buongiorno vorrei sapere sul modello MC901 se posso mettere due resistenze ognuna di 300 watt Grazie
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Thank you!!
Sir i have question , how about the wiring diagram when using 8 heating ??
How to add timer controler on this diagram?
Can i Use two contactors , instead of two SSR , and get the same result , , 2 contactors for two heating elements , three contactors for three heating elements , and so on ?
Is this for 240 volts??
Great video. I just wondered how you would go about wiring multiple thermocouples in a larger oven. For example 3 elements + 3 thermocouples
For large scale, I've seen they use more than 1 pid for each thermocouple, they put all 3 pids to 1 big controlling box and set them with same setting (or different if needed). I think that make sense to me. But perhaps you can look for a pid with a special specification that has multiple thermocouple-lines in (about this I'm not so sure since I'm not professional and only do home DIY projects, but I think they exist.).
Wow, hard to tell if this is a trick question. I work with PID controlled heating systems and when I read your question I had to laugh. I have not done anything like your scenario but I think it would be interesting to program 3 PIDs controlling 3 zones in the same area. I've seen heating controllers with multiple zones that do this but never had the need for them so haven't read how they work controlling one area or if they use PID tech.. I do know that you could connect all 3 thermocouples to one PID and have it control all 3 elements. In this case the PID would act on the average of the 3 thermocouples and of course the 3 elements would act as one unless you put a switch on each solid state relay like the poster of this vid did.. Another thing you could do if it works for you is put a switch on each solid state relay and each thermocouple. This would give you a few heating and or control options and shouldn't cause issues with the PID since it will just average any thermocouples that are connected, only concern would be the switch used for the thermocouple and it's connections.
I am doing the same. I had considered different solutions to running 3 or 4 elements but now after your great video I think I am going to run either 3 separate Pids or 2 combos! Thank you so much for all of your info here.
What is 12,13&14 used for
You are the first genius video i watch of this subject
If i have 10 heating element do i need 10 ssr
I think it would depend on what the amp rating is of the SSR. You can't exceed that, add up the amps for each element to find out.
Great video, i just ask if it is the same principle in powder paint oven? Iam planning to make powder coating oven using household oven.
I would say yes. But please do more research and check carefully your project's requirements. Good luck on your project btw ! Cheers !
Thanks TN for quick response. If you have enough time to make video, pls include 12volts fan for pid box controller, instead of alarm. Thank you again and happy new year.
Is the Pids 220v?
What of andele c900
I think ther is a mistake at the input of the SSR ( 24 a 380vac), is in short in this diagram
This is exactly what I need but I also want to add a timer . Do you have a video with a timer as well? Thanks!!
The timer is wired into the alarm. Either use alarm 1 or alarm 2 if it has two alarms. The alarms don't have any power to them so you will have to run a 110vac or 12vdc to one side of the alarm depending on what the timer can handle. Usually timers run on 12vdc
Good job on the video. Form Power to PID what Gauge is it?
Thank you! For the PID - 14 to 16 Gauge should definitely be fine. I used 16.
Great new video, one question - from the circuit breaker to the PID and the heating element, the wire splits into two so what is the best way do that realistically, a wire connector?
You are definitely right. And since we are dealing with high temperature, especially from the heating element, Ceramic terminal blocks are great. Adding Aluminium Heatsink is great too, I used that in my builds.
Thank you! One other thing... with the circuit breaker, exactly which type (not brand) because I’m having trouble finding one like that.
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Xlnt video. Well explained. What PID controller do you recommend if I’m going to run to heating elements at 2000 W each. I would like to wire each one up separately so I have the ability to only run one if I choose.
I would also need a light switch along with the alarm/buzzer that you show here. My application is for a double oven that I have converted into a single larger oven and I will be doing powder coating. My desired temperature is 400°. Thank you, any links to parts would greatly be appreciated. I need to build this by the end of this weekend.
Can I wire the heating elements in parallel? Or should I just separate them into multiple systems (buy multiple PID controllers)
I need 4 heating elements total for my system.
Hi Marcel, I would say multiple Pids is a safe choice, but that will bring the cost much higher, plus multiple Thermocouples are required, too. It really depends on how much power each of your heating element will draw, and do they have the same resistance value ? To my knowledge, parallel system works when you have same heating element resistance . Perhaps seeking for advices of a professional in this case is necessary, for safety and cost efficiency.
Cheers,
I have a question, how does one measure how much amps the heating element is drawing?
You would have to use an amp clamp around the power wire. Or you could wire a dvom in series with one of the wires going to the heater.
Hi, nice work thanks for sharing. I am in the middle of making my own oven but i have a little problem. Instead of alarm when the oven reach the temp i would like a light. I put a light but nothing happen. Also i dont know the voltage i should put. I put a 220V light and didnt work. Should i put some 5V? Thanks
Hi R Calin, the way you wire may vary, depends on the PiD model. But I would say, if it runs on 220v, then you light bulb should be 220v too, not 5v. Just check the diagram of you PID carefully, you might miss something.
Good luck with your project
Cheers!
@@TNCXBUNBOX thank you. I will recheck it.
@@TNCXBUNBOX i managed to make it work. Now everything it is ok but still have some questions. The wires to thermocouple and to heating element must be some special wires? Does them work with normal 2.5mm square wire? And also the ssr could melt isolation of wires inside the control box? I added a fan but not sure how much heat will be inside the control box. Thank you for your help and time to reply. Have a nice day!
@@rcalin9354 Hi Calin. For the Thermocouple -> Yes, It's definitely required a specific K or S-type wire (Depends on the thermocouple type). And for the Heating element, please use the fiberglass High-temperature wire (Ref link: amzn.to/3ahd7rL) - please check my Description for more details - You can find all of them on Amazon
@@TNCXBUNBOX thank you for your help, i managed to make my own owen now. I give you credits for the electrical part. Here it is czcams.com/video/ZbYlLUwgPjI/video.html
Thank you again!
second heat element the #11 goes to the positive of the second SWITCH, not relay, the graphic is correct but you must said it by mistake. great video
I followed the diagram but the coils arnt heating up
Do you have a link for the high capacity plug ?
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You are dealing with Two 2000W Heating elements so just pay attention to the SSRs, Heatsink, and ventilation(Cooling Fan).
The good thing is that 400degree (I assume that is in Celcius) which is not high, so all the best to your project. I strongly believe you can make it! Cheers!
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Each resistor bar uses 1 SSR, right (2 thermistor bars is to use 2 ssr)
Can u do this without the alarm?
Yes you can ! Alarm is just optional.
How to
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I’m sorry to bother you again but what does the alarm mean on the PID
Hi Crobin, the alarm will turn on when the actual temperature reach the limit temperature that we set for it. For instant, we set the wanted temperature is 300 degree, and set the limit by 10degrees (Alarm 1 = 10). So the Alarm will ring at 310 degree.
@@TNCXBUNBOX thank you!
My PID keeps burning and smoking and displaying an alarm, do you suppose that is because of an overload?
That's bad @@. Please check the current, resistance carefully. And try your best to read the PID manual, there might be difference between models, I did spend an hour to read it, it's very helpful. All the best to you, Crobin.