In days gone by I was an architectural photographer based in Hong Kong covering the region. Then, I was using Sinar & Linhof , i so wish that I had to days flexibility and detail coupled with the much smaller size ! Still, all good fun. Again, many thanks greatly appreciated. Neil
Thanks Neil, I never shot with Sinar & Linhof, probably a true miss. I do shoot with Phase One XT and with Cambo Actus. I will once in a while post my experience with Cambo on my channel. And yes, it is all good fun :)
I too shot with this combination today. Absolutely love the HCD/0,8 with 28. If the slightly SOC sharpness different the corners matter then a very slight sharpening matches the hcd vs hc difference. The hcd is very very slightly less saturated as well than the xcd if we are to nitpick. But if the knowledge of the true differences is known by the user then that goes away with a very slight tweak in phocus and a preset can be made, named and saved and applied with a click of a button. The price of the xcd 21 vs the price of a used hc28 +0,8 is still very big. So rbe only other consideration is weight. If money is no issue and you don't need the TS options that HC lenses offer then the xcd 21 makes more sense. I have the 50-110 and 28 so I am moreee than happy with the HC option. It's down to what is important to the user I suppose.
Thank you for this great little tip regarding IBIS and the 0.8 converter. Recently purchased a 35-90mm HCD (orange dot) for my X system and Im glad I opted for the standard XH adapter! The results are incredible! Funny thing is, the “vanilla” adapter is now listed as Discontinued!
Thanks for your comment. Interesting that Hasselblad discontinues the standard XH Adapter. As said in the video, making the XH Converter 0.8x compatible with IBIS is a question of firmware. I hope Hasselblad works on it.
Thanks for doing these Hasselblad deep dives that no one else is doing on youtube. It would be interesting to see if one can use Phocus software to match HC/HCD look to XCD look out of camera. It seems there is generally less overall contrast, microcontrast, and saturation from the H series lenses. Still very good though.
Hi -- thank you for your explanation. I have exactly the same set up as you used. This seems to be the best rig (other than a Cambo Actus) to use Tilt/Shift solutions with the X2D in the field. [One can add H extension tubes and the H macro-converter as well for close up work]. The Cambo Actus View Camera allows multiple axis shifts/tilt, while the HTS 1.5 only works in a single plane. Obviously a View Camera is more cumbersome. However the results are special. I use mine with the HCD 4.8/24mm and the HCC 3.5/50ii and 2.2/100 - attaching to the X2D using either the XH Adapter or the XH Converter 0.8 -- since the HTS 1.5 applies a 1.5x multiplier. It all depends on what field of view I want to apply. Phocus 3.7.0 does not seem to show the HTS tilt/shift data which is "interesting". All lenses are using the latest lens firmware (19.1). I agree the metadata seems to be "off" - in camera and saved in the files. I have tried to "tie-back" all to a 35mm FF equivalents and while I can do the maths my head explodes. I can confirm my spreadsheet shows your maths to be correct. The 35mm equivalent with the XH C0.8 is 27.7mm in my view) -- 28.9-->43.35 which is equivalent to 34.15--> 27.7mm when used with the 0.8. WHAT is less clear is what "corrections" does Phocus 3.7.2 apply to images take with the HCD/HC lenses on an HTS and using either the XH adapter or converter 0,8.. Do you use Phocus OR LRC/ACR? Is it worth you providing an opinion on Phocus -vs- LRC and the benefits of each (excluding file size and file storage concerns). I use Phocus and hand off to LRC using 16-bit Tif files (using Hasselblad L-RGB*) so clearly I do not care about the file sizes.
Wonderful videos and very useful comments by other photographers. My question was asked before but there was no answer. It relates to the use of the 28mm hcd and the 0.8 xh lens adapter and IBIS. It is very clear that with this particular set up with or without 1.5 IBIS does not work on the Hasselblad X2D. The ten million dollar question : Does the IBIS work with any of the other Hc or HCD lenses and the 0.8 XH adapter? It is understood that the simple XH lens adapter is compatible with many other lenses and IBIS. Any specific experiences with the 50-110? 35-90? It is so nice to see how interesting photographers share this very high level of technical expertise with the rest of us who share the Hasselblad passion Thank you for this utmost wonderful experience all together J A Fridman MD
Hi there, I really enjoy the completeness of your video. Very detailed well explained info. I recently switched from a Schneider Kreuznach 28mm tilt/shift to this setup. However, I was not able to find an orange dot HCD 28 mm, so I settled with a non-orange dot version, 2nd hand HTS 1.5 and new 0.8 convertor. Unfortunately, NO autofocus. But also NO focus assistant like focus indicator either. I now have to eyeball sharpness. I find this rather difficult in the field. How come we don't get a focus indicator either with an orange HCD 28? Any insights on that?
Thanks so much for sharing! I was looking and asking the world until seen this video! exactly I was looking for! Do you prefer HCD 28 over 24 for architecture interior & exterior shooting (combination of xh0.8 & hts 1.5)? thanks!!!!!!
thank you so much for your full walk through so with the regular non 0.8 crop adapter i know you said you gain your Ibis back do you loose your autofocus?
Knowledge shared very beautifully , Even Hasselblad doesn't give so much detail info with the combination of lenses and adapters or with converters . Thanks bro kindly share the link to download images if possible or may be next time few more images shot on different lenses . Thanks again .
HTS on X system doesn't have automatic lens corrections in Phocus software but has it on H system, that's for me a huge disadvantage. I use this same orange dot HCD 28 with 1X adapter on my 50 Mpix X cameras and I don't find the sharpness exceptional at all. In the center it matches my XCD21, but on the edges it's way less sharp at any aperture.
it is the lens set which is the problem, this reduces the internal bore of the tube, so hence you will get vignetting if the ibis works, so if no lenses, there is enough tube diamater to include the ibis max axis travel, so no stepping outside the image circle; and Hasselblad probably won't let their system be degraded by adding flaws, with an inapropriate combination together, and also as the t\s adaptor is involved, it alone could place the picture in this undesirable area of the frame.
Hi, coming to this a bit late, but "everybody" else who discusses the X / HTS combination describes the lack of lens corrections in Phocus for the HTS. (and in Lr?) as a complete showstopper. You do not seem to find it an issue (although if I understand correctly you don't use Phocus). Also, this might be a bigger issue with tilt... are you able to elaborate? Thanks so much for your efforts and greetings from Ticino.
Hi math from HR experience Using the Hasselbad X2d and LeicaQ2,,, which is the best camera for Street Photographers .I am interested with Leica Q2 camera. Because of the image quality, hope you can recommend with camera and specifications that suit for street photographers.tks you
Thank you for these insights. Although I find the IBIS not working with the 0,8 adapter really annoying. Did you try it out with some other lens, only to exclude that it is just the combo 0.8+28mm? I really hope they will fix this. Sometimes Hasselblad seems to implement things only half way. Also with H-lenses and the Adapter (in my case on X1D II) Auto-Magnification doesn't work, when you turn the focus-ring in manual mode. And what I also really miss on the X-System is the implementation of true-focus. Often I would prefer this to shift around a focus point instead.
True Focus is what I most miss, to be honest. Its such a great feature on the H6D and it should not be problematic to implement in also on the X2D - would love to see this coming in a firmware upgrade.
This is an awesome vidéo!!! Quick question. Have tried to apply the lens correction on photoshop? I saw that the 28mm + 0.8 XH is supported by photoshop... but I wonder how well it does with the HTS1.5 on top... If you have any experience with that, it would be great!
Hi there, I have seen that you have covered using the Fuji GFX with Hassalbled H lenses before so I wanted to ask you if you have tried to use the HTS on a Fuji body with Hasselblad H lenses or any other lenses as such and what are your experiences with that?
hi，thank you for this very informative and surprisingly entertaining video given all the math. I was wondering if you've played with the hcd 300mm lens? Does that work for a telephone for the x system? And in general， do you think it is worth it to try h lenses on the xcd system?
Hi Zheng, thanks for your positive feedback. I think its absolutely worthwhile to shoot H-lenses on X-cameras since very often the image circle of H-lenses is larger than what the X2D-sensor needs so that you use only the juicy inner part of the lens for an image which dramatically improves image quality. I did not try the HCD 300 because I currently do not have access to this lens.
Any thoughts on how this may compare to using a Canon TS-E 24mm or 17mm with a Canon-Hasselblad adapter in terms of optical quality? It certainly is smaller and less clunky than the set up you show (I'm not sure which system would allow more shift before vignetting or corner optical weakness becomes a serious problem). Thanks!
Thanks for this informative video. I have an old bag with HCD 50C , and many HC lenses. Unfortunately not HCD lenses. How do you think this combo will work on the X2D with 0.8 x converter, if I apply my HTS as well just with an HC lens ?
I got this tripod mount ring with an older HC lens, 2nd hand, and was not able to figure out what brand it is. I also have the original adapter mount from Hasselblad which looks very similar. I do not think the one I showed is Arca Swiss compatible.
@@mathphotographer i have nearly the same setup but with the 4.8/24mm and i add lee's filter 150mm holder it's getting very heavy, i really need this collar and i really can't find it :(
The "math" has a meaning :) Thanks Ralf! I just tried to get this right here with all the calculations to provide the correct background on what we are shooting here :)
Sorry to say, and I'm not a hater.. I'm Hasselblad at heart.. FILM HASSELBLAD. The company has lost it in the digital field. Not longer producing the H system, the lenses were made by fuji and the sensors by Sony. Talking about tilt and shift photography.. I'm a worldwide interiors photographer. (LA, SF, NYC, Paris) Shifts are almost mandatory AND WIDE ANGLES !! so seeing a 28mm going with adaptors and adaptors.. and plastic knots (with H prices) and finally have 40mm.. THAT"S A NO. I had 2 digital H system Hasselblad and they are GONE. Currently using ALPA camera from Switzerland, German lenses super wide angles to extended movements from Rodenstock and Danish PhaseOne sensors from 100MP to 150MP. Hasselblad has been bought by DJI and it is dead, Simple as that. No Fujiblad, thank you. I had to explain this. So frustrating.
@@mathphotographer I wasn't trying to put you down or nothing like that it's just I don't understand why I could never get anything that I'm interested in on CZcams but everything else pops up that I'm not interested in I just don't know how to remove it sorry again be blessed
This X2D is a dog ,..I have it and a new 55mm 2.5 lens ,..simply trash ,..such shallow sharpness ,.any sharpness disappears at the slightest crop ,.. I ordered is 65 mm lens. I’ve been told it’s a sharp lines from the Hasselblad store in California. They, sent me a lens in a previously open box ,. I’m in Panama it cost me $178 to ship it back ,… they send me a replacement lens in a previously open box. Can you believe that? It’s still not resolved. I want a refund this company is living on hype.
WARNING: Don’t watch this video at night in bed, you may fall asleep. Otherwise, great and very informative info Math! Thank you
Ha! :) Thanks Derrick. If I mutate into "formula mode" its getting exhausting, I know :) Great you liked the video nevertheless, many thanks!
In days gone by I was an architectural photographer based in Hong Kong covering the region. Then, I was using Sinar & Linhof , i so wish that I had to days flexibility and detail coupled with the much smaller size ! Still, all good fun. Again, many thanks greatly appreciated. Neil
Thanks Neil, I never shot with Sinar & Linhof, probably a true miss. I do shoot with Phase One XT and with Cambo Actus. I will once in a while post my experience with Cambo on my channel. And yes, it is all good fun :)
I too shot with this combination today. Absolutely love the HCD/0,8 with 28. If the slightly SOC sharpness different the corners matter then a very slight sharpening matches the hcd vs hc difference. The hcd is very very slightly less saturated as well than the xcd if we are to nitpick. But if the knowledge of the true differences is known by the user then that goes away with a very slight tweak in phocus and a preset can be made, named and saved and applied with a click of a button. The price of the xcd 21 vs the price of a used hc28 +0,8 is still very big. So rbe only other consideration is weight. If money is no issue and you don't need the TS options that HC lenses offer then the xcd 21 makes more sense. I have the 50-110 and 28 so I am moreee than happy with the HC option. It's down to what is important to the user I suppose.
Great - same here. Thanks Anthony.
Where d'ya all get the money is beyond me
Thank you for this great little tip regarding IBIS and the 0.8 converter. Recently purchased a 35-90mm HCD (orange dot) for my X system and Im glad I opted for the standard XH adapter! The results are incredible!
Funny thing is, the “vanilla” adapter is now listed as Discontinued!
Thanks for your comment. Interesting that Hasselblad discontinues the standard XH Adapter. As said in the video, making the XH Converter 0.8x compatible with IBIS is a question of firmware. I hope Hasselblad works on it.
Very interesting, thanks for all the calculations, they are highly appreciated.
Great you liked it, thanks!
Thanks for doing these Hasselblad deep dives that no one else is doing on youtube. It would be interesting to see if one can use Phocus software to match HC/HCD look to XCD look out of camera. It seems there is generally less overall contrast, microcontrast, and saturation from the H series lenses. Still very good though.
Interesting question, Sean, let me look into it, thanks.
Hi -- thank you for your explanation.
I have exactly the same set up as you used. This seems to be the best rig (other than a Cambo Actus) to use Tilt/Shift solutions with the X2D in the field. [One can add H extension tubes and the H macro-converter as well for close up work].
The Cambo Actus View Camera allows multiple axis shifts/tilt, while the HTS 1.5 only works in a single plane. Obviously a View Camera is more cumbersome. However the results are special.
I use mine with the HCD 4.8/24mm and the HCC 3.5/50ii and 2.2/100 - attaching to the X2D using either the XH Adapter or the XH Converter 0.8 -- since the HTS 1.5 applies a 1.5x multiplier. It all depends on what field of view I want to apply.
Phocus 3.7.0 does not seem to show the HTS tilt/shift data which is "interesting". All lenses are using the latest lens firmware (19.1).
I agree the metadata seems to be "off" - in camera and saved in the files.
I have tried to "tie-back" all to a 35mm FF equivalents and while I can do the maths my head explodes. I can confirm my spreadsheet shows your maths to be correct. The 35mm equivalent with the XH C0.8 is 27.7mm in my view) -- 28.9-->43.35 which is equivalent to 34.15--> 27.7mm when used with the 0.8.
WHAT is less clear is what "corrections" does Phocus 3.7.2 apply to images take with the HCD/HC lenses on an HTS and using either the XH adapter or converter 0,8..
Do you use Phocus OR LRC/ACR? Is it worth you providing an opinion on Phocus -vs- LRC and the benefits of each (excluding file size and file storage concerns). I use Phocus and hand off to LRC using 16-bit Tif files (using Hasselblad L-RGB*) so clearly I do not care about the file sizes.
Thanks Andy. I use LRC most of the time, works very well. Thanks for sharing your experience!
Danke für das außergewöhnliche Video.
Gerne - freue mich, wenn die Infos nützlich sind.
Wonderful videos and very useful comments by other photographers.
My question was asked before but there was no answer. It relates to the use of the 28mm hcd and the 0.8 xh lens adapter and IBIS. It is very clear that with this particular set up with or without 1.5 IBIS does not work on the Hasselblad X2D. The ten million dollar question :
Does the IBIS work with any of the other Hc or HCD lenses and the 0.8 XH adapter?
It is understood that the simple XH lens adapter is compatible with many other lenses and IBIS.
Any specific experiences with the 50-110? 35-90?
It is so nice to see how interesting photographers share this very high level of technical expertise with the rest of us who share the Hasselblad passion
Thank you for this utmost wonderful experience all together
J A Fridman MD
Hi there,
I really enjoy the completeness of your video. Very detailed well explained info. I recently switched from a Schneider Kreuznach 28mm tilt/shift to this setup. However, I was not able to find an orange dot HCD 28 mm, so I settled with a non-orange dot version, 2nd hand HTS 1.5 and new 0.8 convertor. Unfortunately, NO autofocus. But also NO focus assistant like focus indicator either. I now have to eyeball sharpness. I find this rather difficult in the field. How come we don't get a focus indicator either with an orange HCD 28? Any insights on that?
Thanks so much for sharing! I was looking and asking the world until seen this video! exactly I was looking for! Do you prefer HCD 28 over 24 for architecture interior & exterior shooting (combination of xh0.8 & hts 1.5)? thanks!!!!!!
thank you so much for your full walk through so with the regular non 0.8 crop adapter i know you said you gain your Ibis back do you loose your autofocus?
good review . very informative ..great tks..
Omg he didn’t notice but the car stopped at the light was a mustang Mach 1. Such a rare car for Europe.
OMG - I did not even notice. Thanks for pointing out that I have caught a car beauty in my image!
Knowledge shared very beautifully , Even Hasselblad doesn't give so much detail info with the combination of lenses and adapters or with converters . Thanks bro kindly share the link to download images if possible or may be next time few more images shot on different lenses . Thanks again .
Thanks - appreciate your kind feedback.
Great video love your channel. I’m new to Hasselblad. I have the X2D. Are there TS attachments that work with my XCD lenses?
HTS on X system doesn't have automatic lens corrections in Phocus software but has it on H system, that's for me a huge disadvantage.
I use this same orange dot HCD 28 with 1X adapter on my 50 Mpix X cameras and I don't find the sharpness exceptional at all.
In the center it matches my XCD21, but on the edges it's way less sharp at any aperture.
Interesting - thanks for sharing!
I wonder the converter 0.8 work well on hcd 35-90mm lens on the X2D 100c . I bought the Hasselblad x2D and no lens available in AUSTRALIA .
Excellent +! Have you used the X2D with the HC 24mm? 12:52 NYC
Not yet - but will of course :) Thanks Richard.
it is the lens set which is the problem, this reduces the internal bore of the tube, so hence you will get vignetting if the ibis works, so if no lenses, there is enough tube diamater to include the ibis max axis travel, so no stepping outside the image circle; and Hasselblad probably won't let their system be degraded by adding flaws, with an inapropriate combination together, and also as the t\s adaptor is involved, it alone could place the picture in this undesirable area of the frame.
Is the PC-Mutar 1.4X shift converter still worth using or step up to the newer hasselblad xh converter 0.8x
Hi, coming to this a bit late, but "everybody" else who discusses the X / HTS combination describes the lack of lens corrections in Phocus for the HTS. (and in Lr?) as a complete showstopper. You do not seem to find it an issue (although if I understand correctly you don't use Phocus). Also, this might be a bigger issue with tilt... are you able to elaborate? Thanks so much for your efforts and greetings from Ticino.
Hi math from HR experience Using the Hasselbad X2d and LeicaQ2,,, which is the best camera for Street Photographers .I am interested with Leica Q2 camera. Because of the image quality, hope you can recommend with camera and specifications that suit for street photographers.tks you
Hi, can I ask why you chose the 28mm HCD lens plus 0.8 converter as opposed to the HCD 24mm with 1:1 converter? Thank you.
Thank you for these insights. Although I find the IBIS not working with the 0,8 adapter really annoying. Did you try it out with some other lens, only to exclude that it is just the combo 0.8+28mm?
I really hope they will fix this.
Sometimes Hasselblad seems to implement things only half way. Also with H-lenses and the Adapter (in my case on X1D II) Auto-Magnification doesn't work, when you turn the focus-ring in manual mode.
And what I also really miss on the X-System is the implementation of true-focus. Often I would prefer this to shift around a focus point instead.
True Focus is what I most miss, to be honest. Its such a great feature on the H6D and it should not be problematic to implement in also on the X2D - would love to see this coming in a firmware upgrade.
This is an awesome vidéo!!! Quick question. Have tried to apply the lens correction on photoshop? I saw that the 28mm + 0.8 XH is supported by photoshop... but I wonder how well it does with the HTS1.5 on top... If you have any experience with that, it would be great!
Thanks! If I remember correctly, at least in Lightroom lens corrections work fine.
Hi there, I have seen that you have covered using the Fuji GFX with Hassalbled H lenses before so I wanted to ask you if you have tried to use the HTS on a Fuji body with Hasselblad H lenses or any other lenses as such and what are your experiences with that?
hi，thank you for this very informative and surprisingly entertaining video given all the math. I was wondering if you've played with the hcd 300mm lens? Does that work for a telephone for the x system? And in general， do you think it is worth it to try h lenses on the xcd system?
Hi Zheng, thanks for your positive feedback. I think its absolutely worthwhile to shoot H-lenses on X-cameras since very often the image circle of H-lenses is larger than what the X2D-sensor needs so that you use only the juicy inner part of the lens for an image which dramatically improves image quality. I did not try the HCD 300 because I currently do not have access to this lens.
Are you planning to do a image quality comparison between this camera and the fujifilm gfx 100s?
Yes I do, will have to work on it but is a natural comparison of course.
Any thoughts on how this may compare to using a Canon TS-E 24mm or 17mm with a Canon-Hasselblad adapter in terms of optical quality? It certainly is smaller and less clunky than the set up you show (I'm not sure which system would allow more shift before vignetting or corner optical weakness becomes a serious problem). Thanks!
I did shoot Canon TS lenses on Hasselblad in the past, works very well and is indeed less voluminous.
Thanks for this informative video. I have an old bag with HCD 50C , and many HC lenses. Unfortunately not HCD lenses. How do you think this combo will work on the X2D with 0.8 x converter, if I apply my HTS as well just with an HC lens ?
You do not need HCD lenses, the HC lenses perform very well on the X2D with the 0.8x Converter.
Actually, some of the HC lenses have an even larger image circle than HCD lenses so you will get even better results!
That’s great news. I will give it a test and try it out.
The Hasselblad XH adapter mount is touching the HTS 1.5 ... What's model are you using and is it arca swiss compatible?
I got this tripod mount ring with an older HC lens, 2nd hand, and was not able to figure out what brand it is. I also have the original adapter mount from Hasselblad which looks very similar. I do not think the one I showed is Arca Swiss compatible.
@@mathphotographer i have nearly the same setup but with the 4.8/24mm and i add lee's filter 150mm holder it's getting very heavy, i really need this collar and i really can't find it :(
Did you ever find a solution to this? Would it not be possible to turn the lens collar around so that the "foot" is underneath the camera?
25:30 That looks like a 1969 Mustang Mach 1 Fastback, What happened to your DATA when it really counts???😀 Like your Channel.
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Did you use the new firmware yet for x2d?
Video is coming next days :)
@mathphotographer I was happy about the email at 13:24 :) but i was optimistic and cautious not to expect too much.
the screen protector is upside down
So, that explains why you are the "mathphotographer"....😉
The "math" has a meaning :) Thanks Ralf! I just tried to get this right here with all the calculations to provide the correct background on what we are shooting here :)
Sorry to say, and I'm not a hater.. I'm Hasselblad at heart.. FILM HASSELBLAD. The company has lost it in the digital field. Not longer producing the H system, the lenses were made by fuji and the sensors by Sony.
Talking about tilt and shift photography.. I'm a worldwide interiors photographer. (LA, SF, NYC, Paris) Shifts are almost mandatory AND WIDE ANGLES !! so seeing a 28mm going with adaptors and adaptors.. and plastic knots (with H prices) and finally have 40mm.. THAT"S A NO.
I had 2 digital H system Hasselblad and they are GONE.
Currently using ALPA camera from Switzerland, German lenses super wide angles to extended movements from Rodenstock and Danish PhaseOne sensors from 100MP to 150MP.
Hasselblad has been bought by DJI and it is dead, Simple as that. No Fujiblad, thank you.
I had to explain this. So frustrating.
I'm not the one that asked for it I don't care for that video I don't understand why it's in my CZcams page
Sorry for that, I did not do anything to push this to you ...
@@mathphotographer I wasn't trying to put you down or nothing like that it's just I don't understand why I could never get anything that I'm interested in on CZcams but everything else pops up that I'm not interested in I just don't know how to remove it sorry again be blessed
not a fan of the x2d it's basically a h6d50 with a 100mpx sensor baby medium format. shoot on the big boy!!!
This X2D is a dog ,..I have it and a new 55mm 2.5 lens ,..simply trash ,..such shallow sharpness ,.any sharpness disappears at the slightest crop ,.. I ordered is 65 mm lens. I’ve been told it’s a sharp lines from the Hasselblad store in California.
They, sent me a lens in a previously open box ,.
I’m in Panama it cost me $178 to ship it back ,… they send me a replacement lens in a previously open box. Can you believe that?
It’s still not resolved. I want a refund this company is living on hype.