Willy Does what Wonka NEVER Could...
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Can Timothée Chalamet in Wonka really compare to Gene Wilder's version of Willy Wonka? Does the musical aspect of Wonka capture the magic of one of cinema's most beloved characters? Or does it leave things on a sour note. And is it ok for movies to just be ok???
Delve with me into the Wonka-verse as we explore these questions .
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I have one. Do you have a favorite movie?
Honestly power rangers 2017 is pretty high up for me if not at the top because of how special that franchise was to me growing up. Other contenders are la la land, mama Mia 2, the court jester
Also.a big part of "favorite" to me is rewatchability. Like recently I was enamored by civil war, but I also am like "that was rough don't want to watch that for a long time"
Or how I think guardians of the galaxy 3 might be netter than 2, but 2 is more of a comfort movie with a tight script and is super rewatchable
@@TheWritersBlockOfficial Haven't seen Power Ranger's 2017 yet. I'll have to check it out!
I agree about rewatchability being a key factor. The first Iron Man is a obvious example for me.
@user-to6dp2gt7b yeah iron man is a great example. I want to do a video on lean scripts like top gun maverick iron man etc. Films that are super efficient and have that capital m movie feel
Why do you love Wonderful from Wicked?
Main problem is that this movie was too whimsical. The world is already magical so wonka didn't really add anything new
Thats a great point. I think it would work better if he was like Mary pooping coming in and adding magic to a dull world
Noticed the auto correct but too funny not to leave as is
But it’s not
That’s how I felt when I watched the trailer for Wonka. In the 1971 ver. the outside world was dull and realistic except for in the candy shop and in Willy Wonkas factory. In Wonka nothing feels spectacular because everything is kooky. Plus the idea of making a backstory on a character that’s supposed to be mysterious just doesn’t work.
@@creedecriswell634But it is.
Wonka's world has magnificent giant buildings housing the worlds greatest candy, machinery and technology beyond what we have now, small establishments like the place Wonka stays throughout the movie that still have elaborate machines and contraptions, and the Oompa Loompa's are somewhat(?) magical geniuses.
The wildest plot contrivance in this move is that, despite narrowly escaping drowning in a vat of chocolate, Wonka still decides having the giant chocolate river in his factory is a good idea. Maybe this would make more sense if they commited to the unsettling edge Wilder's version had, but it just doesn't mesh with Chalamet's iteration
What if.... he kind of like it
But, counterpoint, because he nearly drowned, he knew it was a good way of getting rid of people. Also, the churning of the chocolate from the waterfall was a bonus.
I kinda like it, it’s so absurdly stupid it’s charming and funny lol.
@@TheWritersBlockOfficialDamn, Wonka's kinky.
My theory is that Wonka is a prequel to the Wily Wonka Experience. They both even have the name Wonka in both.
The Unknown needs a movie next!
@@Nikkishops2022 i thought there was a movie being made based off of it
@@MozzarellaAndCheddaOh yeah, I forgot!
nah i disagree its prequel to gen wilder film the wonka expierince chaos happned a few month after the movie
Wonka 2 Plot:
After their embarrassing loss against Willy Wonka, the Chocolate Cartel return and invoke revenge on Wonka by hiring The Unknown, an evil chocolate maker that lives inside Wonka’s walls and is stealing his recipes. Its now up to Wonka, Noodle, and his old buddies to capture The Unknown and finally settle the score with Cartel a final time!
"You've never had chocolate?!" And you're a grown man who cannot read, Wonka. Something far weirder to me. Glass houses.
To be fair as a retail employee. I have studied my customers and came to conclusions that they can’t read
They either ask me to read something because “they forgot their glasses”
Or if the package have changed but the word on the box are still the same they don’t understand that it the same product
They also ask if this is x product and I have to point out the word on the box.
Because of these points my colleague and I came to the conclusion that people can’t read and are too embarrassed to say so find a convoluted way of not reading it.
@@lucifersdevilishdetails. i mean forgetting ones glasses is pretty valid, especially when older and that tiny print gets you. I'm always helping customers out when I'm at the ski resort because they literally cannot read the small print, not because they are illiterate.
I feel like the movie was written more to be a prequel to the book than the 1971 movie. Chalamet's performance bears far more resemblance to the excitable child-in-an-adult's-body of Dahl's original story than Wilder's shrewd, deadpan, "scary" version.
nah it leans more to the 1971 film the director also said its a orequel to bith the book and 1971 film
Yeah exactly, I don’t understand why they act like Chalamet’s performance is sacrilegious because Gene Wilder’s performance of Wonka is NOTHING like the book version. It was a book first and I feel like people should be able to make other adaptations of the book separate from the movie version.
@@anava7030 the director himself said it was a prequel to both the book and the 1971 one film smh
@@anava7030mostly nostalgia, that was their first introduction to it and act like it's the original
The sudden transition to the greatest showman made me laugh way more than it should’ve I’m sorry but when I heard the WOOOOAAAAAHHH I was laughing sm 😭💀
I take pride in my simultaneously smooth but out of nowhere segues
I don’t think the fat jokes against the police guy were specifically supposed to be taken as “haha look he’s so fat” but more as “haha look how much he loves the chocolate from the cartel” atleast that’s how I saw it, I thought it was pretty funny
You can make him obsessed with chocolate without making the joke his body. Also everyone is obsessed with chocolate in this world so it's just a bad joke in general
@@TheWritersBlockOfficialCan't make fun of diabetes so far jokes is the best route
I agree. I didn’t see it as “lol he’s FAAAAT!!!” and more of “lol he’s so corrupt he can’t even hide it anymore!” If he was just eating chocolate alllll the time yet skinny, it would not show you how damn much he was really in it and non stop bribed and eating it.
Don’t act like eating chocolate non stop won’t make you fat. Hell, look at Augustus in the original film! He’s a fat boy because he eats a lot! Is that the joke??? No. But it causes him to uncontrollably guzzle Wonka’s chocolate stream which causes him to likely die horrifically in that tube/burned to death. Actions have consequences. Charlie and his deadbeat grandpa lucked out they didn’t get chopped up for stealing that drink and lucked out Wonka killed all the other kids.
Agreed, I don't think any character outside of himself in the Sweet Tooth song ever mentioned him being fat through the whole movie?
Him gaining weight wasn't about fat jokes, but about his corruption and how quickly it started to pile up becoming a visible thing he could no longer hide and that was even weighting him down from properly doing his actual job.
Fat jokes usually make me uncomfortable, I found this specific gag funny
@@TheWritersBlockOfficialThats the thing tho, it wasnt an attack on anyone. It was a joke about how a cop became so corrupt that he couldnt hide it anymore. Which brings him to justice in the end.
"May thy caramel chip and shatter."
LMAOOO
I think the Tim Burton version is ABSURDLY underrated. It's got some glaring flaws, but so do the other two. And it helps that it's so close to the source material.
I agree. I just didn't talk about it here since wonka doesn't draw much if anything from it. But yeah I very much respect Charlie and the chocolate factory for what it does well
I’m in the minority who likes it more. It has a more consistent visual style that’s in line with the book’s tone. There are great songs, the actors are great. While Depp is very different from the original story, Wilder has a cynicism(The entirety of the 1971 film does to varying extents. The book was dark, but in a fairytale way where the whimsical aspects are usually sincere and fun to balance it out.) that means he never quite reaches that status of perfect portrayal for me, either. He’s much closer, but I do think the Depp-Wilder comparison isn’t as clear cut as people say. Between Wilder’s unpredictability and passion and Depp’s wild joy and quirkiness is my ideal film Wonka.
I agree that this version got a bad rep and has some great elements. But it would’ve been way better, if they had just not done it as a musical. I love Danny Elfman’s work. But only the Oompa Lupas sing and the movie seems to stop when they perform. It feels disjointed and like it’s trying “to be like the original”.
@@PrettyNPremireProThe words of the Elfman's songs are literally straight from the page of the book unlike the ones in the original movie, so they are not ripping it off just adapting the source material.
They are also some of the best parts of the movie, honestly.
I’ve only seen it once and that was in theatres, and I really didn’t like it at the time. I just didn’t like Johnny Depp’s performance, but I might rewatch it because I’ve seen some people saying it’s actually good and I might view it differently now!
I was fine with Wonka, the main problem for me is that it's technically a prequel. But I just dont see Tim's wonka becoming either Gene's nor Johnny's Wonka. The world feels to different too.
Agreed
Way I see it he could become either, which could be a way to say they don't commit hard enough one way or the other
It felt more like the world of paddington
@i-v-i2836 this exactly! I loved the whimsy but it just felt like too much if a departure that would fit another character much better
I think he's meant to become the BOOK Wonka.
Guys the reason why Timothee Chalamet as a young Wonka is more whimsical compared to Gene Wilder’s is because after having his secret recipes stolen by the Chocolate Cartel and locking himself in the factory with no workers to talk to for twenty years is when he goes crazy. That’s why Timmy’s Wonka is more optimistic and hopeful to begin with. By the way, that wasn’t the real Slugworth in the original, he was a man named Mr Wilkinson who was pretending to be Slugworth as part of the test it’s literally mentioned in the original movie. Also the meaning of the Golden Ticket in the end isn’t that Wonka had to appreciate the people he had to share chocolate with. It’s that because throughout the movie Willy just aspired to be the best chocolatier and have the best chocolate store ever he had to learn that making chocolate is mainly about making people happy which he did as the movie progressed
My thoughts exactly!!!
This is a good explanation
One plot I wanted in this movie was that wonka would adopt noodle. This could still continue on into the original movie with something like she moved away when she got older. But their relationship was so sweet to me and I wish they didn’t add the random sudden plot to noodles parents. Plus he would get to be a good parent to noodle like his mom was to him
That would have been so sweet. I also think it would have been cute to see her sass lofty some but they never get to share a scene
@@TheWritersBlockOfficial dont forget willy is only in his early 20's in this film and i feel fdining ndoole's mum made a much more sense for a plot also willy was more like a brother to noodle or what they could of done was make willy and noodle siblings like noodle was wolly' long lost sibling or soemthing which would of been cute
My interpretation of Wonka is that he is a good, eccentric man who was driven into isolation by others’ greed (especially the corporate espionage of people stealing his ideas) - the darkness in Gene Wilder’s Wonka is because of decades of isolation and paranoia around other people, and in a way finding Charlie is him opening back up to the world - while testing people’s intentions to ensure his factory is safe. His eccentricities are genuine, but it’s also a mask he uses to protect himself and his factory.
Commenting purely because the Wonka Wonka (Waka Waka) joke is that fucking funny lmfao
Hah thank you!
Good video. I agree with a lot of what you said and it accurately summarizes my feelings on the movie as a whole. However, i would like to disagree with you on three main points.
First, the similarities and differences with Timothee Wonka and Wilder Wonka. When I was intially watching the movie, I kept having this odd feeling of Timothee being so close to pulling off Wilder but not quite matching the energy. After a lot of reflection, ive determined that most of the issue comes less with Timothee's performance or the even the dialouge and much more so the directorial framing of what was being said. In the orignina Willy Wonka, the odd and off-color things Wonka said were framed non-chalantly. His weirdness was emphasized through by allowing the camera to see him the way that a real person would see him if they were interacting irl. In this new movie, most of the odd or off-color things said were focused on too much. It felt like the director was going "ohhh look how quirky and weird he is. Isnt that so much like Wilder". Which ruined the effect of the writing and performance. In that way, I think the strangeness, mystery, and intimidation of Wonka is lost.
The second thing I'd disagree on is the subplots. Even though I agree some things were not properly implemented into the story (the other hotel servants). I would disagree with you on the idea that every subplot needs to comment on something or exist for a specified purpose. Many of the subplots in Wonka exist as comedic fodder for the movie. The chocolate cartel isnt a cartel because they want to make a statment about monopolization or illegal manufactoring. The chocolate cartel is a cartel because its a funny premise to make something as normal and wholesome as chocolate and turn it into a obsessed over substance that it would need a cartel. Which reflects Rahl Dahl's absurdist humor and specifically the obsession that people have over chocolate specifically in the world of Willy Wonka. Its a similar situation with the servents. They dont exist to comment on indentured servitude, but because it leans into the absurdist humor of several very well off, educated, and talented people working for the stupidest people in the movie. Again, i agree that the servents werent well integrated into the story, but i will defend the basis for their existance.
Noodle is a slightly different story is that i think she is necessary. Because Wonka as a character is at his best when he's bouncing off someone else. And Noodle serves as a straight man to his chaotic humor.
The third thing I would argue on is Willy's want versus his need. I agree on your anaylsis of his want, however, i would argue the point of his need is slightky different enough to create the diparity your talking about in the movie. Wonka's need is not that he "needs to appreciate those around him". His need is to learn how to evaluate himself through things other than his achievements. And one of the ways to do that is to learn to see yourself as others (like Noodle) see you. This aligns much closer with the actual character arc that takes place in the movie. He appreciates people, but he doesnt value himself through the lens of those he affects. Only by arbitrary standards he's created for himself. And by interacting and growing with the side charaters, he learns that his worth and value is not about being the best, its about making a difference with those who truky matter. His mother's "secret ingredient" for the chocolate perfectly shows this. The thing that made the chocolate good wasnt some arbitrary "best" ingredient, its that she took the time and effort to make it for her child.
The slugworth in Willy wonka we see on screen isn’t the true Arthur slugworth. His name is Mr Wilkinson. Slugworth, Prognose, and ficklegruber are name dropped not only by wonka, but also the candy man in various scenes. I imagine that like wonka, the heads of these chocolate factories aren’t known more than their names.
So in summation, your opinion on the new Wonka movie is “not mad, just disappointed”
Somethin like that
What I loved about the first “you’ve never had chocolate like this” is Willy did not need to know what the other chocolate tasted like. He was so optimistic and confident with his product, that was all he needed to convey that his chocolate was the best.
While I still think from an exposition stand point it would help to know about the other chocolates; I very much like this explanation for wonka himself
Commenting for engagement. I really am enjoying how thoughtful your commentary on this movie is. You are doing a great job explaining why the movie feels so empty.
Thank you so much. I've been really enjoying doing some deeper dives that are less about one distinct thesis and Moreso just a big discussion. It makes me really happy to know its connecting with people
Wanka and Noodle definitely don’t go their separate ways at the end of the movie. They have a relationship obviously if this is a prequel to the 1971 movie then that’s how Wonka and slugworth are connected
Slugworth wasn’t in the original it was a man pretending to be him named Mr Wilkinson
@@lukehannah4554 you’re right I forgot. This is like when I forgot the twist of planet of the apes; I said some stupid shit about a new movie in that franchise back then too until I was corrected.
19:58 i thought noodle being the heir to slugworth chocolates sets up her being the moral test for charlie in the other film. that there would be a legit company who is secretly in cohoots with wonka.
The bit on the villain song is very interesring to me, i like to think the homage to "Everybody ought to have a maid" is on purpose as Matthew Baynton is kinda known for making comedic parodies (horrible histories). (I also don't mind the tempo but i think that might be becuase it's impossible for me to not have a good time while Baynton is in screen)
I think if this were the one slower song I wouldn't mind it but I just felt like it failed to distinguish itself. That being said, I love the villains performances here. I have issues with the script but the actors are all killing it
I like the comments that discussed how Timonthee’s version was young and still discovering himself and the world. It makes sense that he does not become the sociopathic and mysterious version yet. He is still in his optimistic phase.
I also like this movie as a reimagining because it becomes its own thing. I feel the homage to the original is just that. A homage to acknowledge that they recognize the original, but not trying to copy it.
What I love about the music is what some love about Mary Poppins Returns. It pays homage to the classic/traditional musicals, but they are their own thing.
While I do agree with your points about some of the writing and characterization, I feel there is much love and care with the making of it. And to me, that is better than the lame remakes that are only made for money and not art or entertainment.
5:17 Fred Astaire and Gene Kelly in The Babbitt and the Bromide 1945! Wasn’t expecting to see them here, haha! ❤
Bonus points for being the first one to name em!
Thank you for confirming, I was having trouble pausing to get a good look at their faces.
I must ask: are the Wicked clips here because Joel Grey was a favorite for Wonka back in the day? If so, well played
If not, there's a fun fact! I adore your review because I personally didn't love it, but I couldn't put my finger on why. You've vocalized it perfectly.
Total coincidence there so thank you for the fun fact! And glad I could help put words to what you were Feeling
Your analysis always makes me want to go watch the film more closely - especially when your review is essentially "it could've been so much better". Not sure I can convince my friends to watch Wonka for a movie night though...
Wow this is super amazing to hear. I started doing this to help people see stories in a more analytical way. I think there's so much beauty and artistry in the mechanics of storytelling and hearing that these videos help people see that is so encouraging and meaningful. Thank you for the kind words
The Wonka Wonka joke was insane
It was between that and a fozzy bear reference
"On a less serious note, let's talk about police corruption." Another banger vid, Dylan!
Ahaha I'm so glad that line landed. Thank you so much for the kind words!
The hand thing looked like jazz hands to symbolize broadway
“the movie should end on a high note and timothee chalamet just can’t hit those” DAMN
I was hoping to see at least one comment referencing Snowpiercer or the fan theory, but all I got was one Dune reference.
Just imagine, though: a crossover between Willy Wonka, Dune, Snowpiercer and Infinity Train.
_A young Wonka got mysteriously sent into a weird world, finds out it's within a massive and very long train that's continuously traveling in the middle of a desert. He somehow misses the point of the train and why he's in there, journeys through many cars and meeting fellow passengers along, and eventually reaches the engine which is unoccupied. The whole journey made him into a madman. He declares himself the Chosen One, The Messiah - "Muad'dib" as the more veteran passengers prophesized, and he now rules the entire train; he has the most numbers on him out of all the passengers of the train._
best outro for this video would've been "or not".
I truly believe they were trying create a Harry Potter like movie. This is way more Wizarding World than Wonka. Which turned me away from it
I don't think I'd have made the connection on my own, wow you're right! The candy itself was just a bit too "magical" for me and I could see a wacky magical chocolatier with that machine in HP.
19:57 Actually, Slugworth _is_ a real person in the Willy Wonka universe and is _not_ Willy Wonka’s ally.
Yes, he does exist alongside Fickelgruber and Prodnose. They had sent in spies to steal the recipes for Wonka’s candies in the adaptations that came before.
The “Slugworth” you’re referring to in the 1961 movie was an actor hired by Wonka to put the winning kids up to the test to see if one of them would be rightful owner of Wonka’s chocolate factory.
Seeing this then dune part 2 mustve been a trip
I kinda like that he trusting
As that show how much his employees broke him when they sold his secrets.
That's a great point
I thought it was funny how fast he had become so big, and that kind of showed how much chocolate he was eating, meaning he always wanted more as they just weren't enough (watered down)
When you egnolaged how the first movie was made for kids while respecting their intelligence, it reminded me of Rhold Dahl- Then I remembered hes the author of the book! He clearly remembers what it felt like to be a kid, and reading his books makes me remember too ❤️
Really enjoy your musical breakdown videos - looking forward to more :)
Thank you!!
The factory is named Pure Imagination
when i first watched this film with my family we all agreed it came across like a pantomime
You really nailed this analysis. When watching this movie myself, I found it a fine enough movie to be enjoyable, but whenever they tried to make it...wonka-esk, it ended up just taking me out of the emersion somehow, and i couldnt really figure out why it felt that way. It felt like they were trying to shoehorn the wonka aspect of wonka in so much that it felt so out of place and looped right back around to being why it DIDNT feel like a movie made to be a wonka movie. It felt like a movie wearing wonkas clothing rather than a movie about wonka. Every wonka action felt like it either hit as funny, quirky or so jarringly "look how funny and quirky willy wonka is!" that it makes the movie feel like its trying too hard. That and this disjointedness of the story that i would look past in most musicals but feels confusing why they included them in a wonka movie when it doesnt really enhance the movie, it just sort of...happens. I feel like if it was trying to be a purely original story, there would be more focus on making the story have a proper theme and have their story decisions enhance the plot. It was a fine movie, enjoyable enough to watch, but it would have been better if it wasnt a wonka movie. Though....I doubt they'd make nearly as much money if that was the case, so it was probably never meant to be.
Honestly, some characters just domt need backstories, i like the intrigue of not knowing his past, makes him more of a enigmatic character
Exactly!
In the original movie, the man who approached Charlie wasn’t Slugworth. He was a friend of Wonka’s posing as Slugworth.
Yeh was going to go see this movie until I heard the words “chocolate cartel” and I was just like nah hollywood doesn’t have the ability to pull that concept off.
I really need musical movies to start hiring singers
Well I sure feel analyzed and whelmed.
I agree good take love power ranger 2017
Heck yeah!
Pretty sure in the 1971 movie, Slugworth is not his ally. He hired someone to pose as Slugworth to test the kids.
Ironically, the johnny depp version is more accurate to the book, and the author famously hated the first wonka movie
for me, an important factor to consider is that WONKA sets place before the information wars, so he is still yet to gain that cynicism we see in Willy Wonka and the chocolate factory, meaning that the traits like whimsy and optimism are greatly magnified while the cunning and such are less developed, so i feel that it's somewhat unfair to compare those two interpretations of the character because of how they're set at different points in wonka's life, and as such are trying to magnify different aspects of the character
I didn't see why they needed the sidekick tbh. Glad someone thought noodle being added was pointless.
I feel like she might have more impactful in a previous draft or they had more ideas for her but as is the character feels vestigial
honestly it focused more on her rather then wonka I thought this was supposed be about wonka I would of gave this movie 10/10 stars if it focused nore on wonka should of just made noodle a minor character however I don't dislike the new wonka movie I gave this move 9/10 stars
My problem is that it’s so dull colored. It’s boring, it’s NOT wonka. Also I have a hard time imagining that could become the Gene Wilder Wonka, I need insane crazy fantasy and wonder with the occasional fear sprinkled in. Not look how much gray we can add to Wonka’s outfit and lack of insanity!
Edit: I love how I commented this before getting to the point in the video where he said the same thing about both wonka’s
This was really thoughtful, thank you. It actually made me slightly interested in seeing the movie, though I probably won't unless I get really bored one day.
Thanks!
Slugworth was NOT Wonka's ally in the original. Wonka very clearly states at the end that that guy is NOT Slugworth, but his (seemingly only human) employee Mr. Wilkinson.
Slugworth in the book and original adaptation was never described as anything other than a bitter rival. It may or may not have been true, but if it wasn't true, we never learned that fact.
I will say. I agreed to see Aquaman 2 with my mom the weekend before I saw Wanka. That movie was a godsend by comparison. Let's be real we are in a era where, at least mainstream, films have set a lower average bar than Wanka met
I remember watching Willie Wonka with my younger brother all the time. Every time I watched it I always wanted to try a Wonka chocolate bar
…sorry to talk about the SPONSOR of all things, but worldanvil’s timeline creator is seriously one of the best I’ve ever been able to find. Even if you’re not making a fantasy story, if your plot has multiple events happening at once in any capacity I recommend their timelines so much they’re so good
I found Wonka a really enjoyable movie. Though if one were to have higher critical expectations of it, it would fall kinda short.
I love Roald Dahl’s writing style because of how passionate it is. It is whimsical in an almost spontaneous overflowing way, with this dark, slightly disturbing undertone that is masked by the humorous manner in which he is depicting everything. It’s a style that carries over to his short stories for adults too, in fact it only gets more extreme and wildly imaginative in his stories for more mature readers.
The Wonka movie was just pleasant all around, there wasn’t really anything that felt “off” about any situation to give it that unique edge the original stories had
Someone in this comment section mentioned creating more dichotomy of a dull city and the magic and wonder Wonka brings to it. The Tim Burton movie captured that pretty well I think. I don’t really have any ideas on how to change the story itself (I actually found many of the ideas really charming and good), but visually I think it could have stood to be more striking and bold. Then again that’s a problem many films face nowadays, that ‘clean’ look
One thing to like about Wonka is that ... Timmothys Wonka could become either Wilder or Depp later in life. Now Depps version had a backstory, not a very serious one but still.
"This time for Africa" absolutely sent me
Oh good that jokes my favorite and also the most stupid
I love this Willy Wonka movie better than any other adaptations since this is genuinely sincere than the other different movies.
I grew up with the first movie. Loved the idea, wasn't keen on the movie itself.
The Tim Burton version felt more cohesive, gave Willy a backstory, and the beginning before entering the factory didn't drag on forever. Really the only issue I had was that they used Deep Roy for every Oompa Loompa. Nothing against the actor, just the CGI. I enjoyed Wonka. If there's not enough of a connection to Wilder's character, I don't see that as a problem. It felt like a stand alone, and too many people put the original movie on a pedestal.
I feel bad for shalenay, don’t know how to spell his name, because he is a great actor but was just not put in a film made for him. In all, he’s a good actor but he’s not wonka
I liked wonka, the sheer absurdity of it was very fun for me, the fact that it’s this fun little cute story with songs about a small business man TOPPLING A FREAKIN COCOCAINE CARTEL AND DESTABILIZING A COCOCULT IS ABSOLUTE COMEDIC GOLD. Like every thing about it is so absurdly stupid it’s kinda charming to me, I don’t think it’s amazing but like, I mean, how can I not love a story about a chocolate drug cartel, the cococaine puns are to perfect, and the fact that the magic chocolate hallucinogens are just way to hilariously similar to spice in dune to not make me love it
The scariest part of the Gene Wilder one to me was the goose part. Made me so scared of deep holes and stuff
Always thought trap doors were gonna be a more common problem in life. Same as quicksand
it would have made more sense to have made the hypothetical Willy Wonka & The White House a third book in the Wonka series that remained unmade because of Dahl's passing
I think that the lack of creepyness in Wonka is because he is still young. He’s not quite as jaded yet.
9:42 you pronounced psudo-charleton correctly
29:22 he’s just trying to do jazz hands (flicker fingers if you’re a theater kid) while in an enclosed location
I’m gonna give some props to Timmy Chalamet here, I bought him as a young wonka and his singing voice is actually pretty descent
I’m relived I’m not the only person who doesn’t love this movie. Every other review I’ve seen has either been fawning praise. Or riddled with negative comments. Because they said it was bad or mediocre.
Just realized I'm eating Nerds gummies while watching this for extra immersion
I was scared of these movies as a child
Nostalgia always wins in the hearts of many🥰
At 5:17, I think those are the Nicholas Brothers. I confess I had to look up their first names, which were Fayard and Harold. I first became aware of them through clips of their brilliant dance sequence in _Stormy Weather._
Good try but guess again
I'm not sure why they went so hard on slugsworth being a horrible, murderous person. I was waiting the whole time for him to get redemption and show the start of him and wonka's relationship or at least end on good terms.
But no, they make him neglect, sell, and attempt to murder his own child and leave it on that. All I could think was, "How and why would wonka trust this man?"
so yiu believe there is some good in slugworth?
I’m gonna say that I was a bit nervous about this wonka origin story but I think the filmmakers did alright. They worked in a lot of callbacks, they set up the rivalry between him and slugworth and it kept the whimsical mind of the character right where gene wilder left it yet the introduction of the Oompa Loompa didn’t seem to match wonka’s original explanation. I mean, if they stayed to that, we’d see how he had brought on the lot of them instead of one
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A man of refined quality I see.
If Wonka really needed giraffe milk he just could found some jamaican man who would make it free just for fun
My problem with all of the Willy Wonka/Charlie in the Chocolate Factory movies is that they are doing. Too. Much. The book, as I remember, is a simple yet chaotic excerpt from the mind of Dahl. It’s one of those things that’s so hard yet so easy to completely get wrong. Having read the book and watched both movies, the movies feel more like a complete fever dream and the book feels more like a… normal dream…at least for me and my strange brain. The over complication of Wonka’s character, weather it be making him mysterious or creepy, just makes me feel like they’re over doing it. Wonka was a simple, childlike character and deserves the justice he hasn’t gotten. Every Wonka is their own character with flaws and problems, but I believe that Chalmet’s portrayal of the beloved character is the most faithful, as a naive and kind man. I did like the Oompa Loompa backstory tho.
I mean he kinda was still kind hearted in the original film just a but sarcastic also he complimented veruca
Snowpiercer still the best sequel to Wilder's Wonka hands down.
Honestly I'd just recommend the broadway musical version if someone wanted a musical charlie and the chocolate factory story other then the original as the songs form that one are pretty enjoyable and the show overall is decently fun while still trying to keep characters in line with how they would act.
also i am just so glad that charlies mum gets a way better song then Cheer up Charlie in the stage show.
I always thought that Wilders Wonka had a bit of fey inspiration
Certainly a similar vibe
I enjoyed wonka, but it definitely gave me the vibes of its own thing being forced into a sellable franchise. At the end of Wonka i could never imagine that man being a shut in due to trust issues. Heck, forget about protecting his secrets, hes just outright telling everyone how he makes everything. It was a fun movie, but the second I try connecting the movies in any sort of tangible way it falls apart really quickly.
perhaps if the film gets a follow up it can focus on how he got trust issues
6:46 I've been saying that since the movie came out tbh
That he's a quirked up white boy or the quote from the movie haha
@TheWritersBlockOfficial that he's a quirked up white boy lol
My family decided to watch it in theaters on Christmas morning, and the entire time I watched it, the only accurate descriptor I could think of for him was quirked up white boy lmao
Ughh okay I’ll rewatch the 2017 Power Rangers that I spent months obsessed with when I came out
Only months???? Amateur ⚡️but in all seriousness so glad to see that people are also passionate about that movie. We were robbed of a great franchise
idk, I kinda like all of the versions
Am I the only one who as a kid thought this was a horror movie?
Oompah
Loompah?
5:57 “morally just” pfft what? Naww, you need to do a proper psycho analysis of the captain. He’s a literal pirate.
Yes and pirates are synonymous with freedom and heroism in the franchise. He always tries to be a bad selfish person, but winds up doing the right thing by the end of the movie. That's why Elisabeth gives him the whole speech about wanting to know "what it tastes like" in dead man's chest
@@TheWritersBlockOfficial freedom, sure, heroism? Idk of you’ve noticed but a majority of the pirates in the franchise are antagonists.
Fairly sure she’s just talking about the freedom aspect, with her being otherwise restricted to a woman’s role in the “civilised” world.
I dont think you’re right about him being morally just. Most of his actions are in persuit of his own gain, like, seriously, Elizabeth had to physically handcuff him to the railing for him to do the heroic thing and face the kraken.
Jack Sparrow is an accidental hero at most.
Willy wanka the first movie I've seen in years that I smiled through the entire thing and saw twice in theater. I still love the original but find nothing wrong with the new one bc I see it as a prequel and don't compare too harshly
Okay, am I the only one who thought that Wilder's Wonka was disturbing than anything? Yes, it seemed like anything could happen in that factory ... including murder. To me it seemed that Wonka played on the kid's character flaws and set them up to fail entrapment-style like some sketchy cop. I actually liked the origin story movie.
he didn't set them up to fail the 4 kids decided to play stupid games and win stupid prizes it's nkt really wonka's fault it'd the parents fault for raising them stupidly and they all end up shitty thanks to shitty parenting
Wonka is the best
It will have its day in the spotlight
Yeah the new Wonka was nowhere near vindictive or dangerous enough. He kept getting had and forgiving it. The REAL wonka would have DESTROYED the other candy creators in whimsically unsettling ways... not got his ass whupped until an umpa lumpa saved his ass.
Though I really like Gene Wilder's performance I think the 71 movie is very overrated. It's a good movie but not perfect by any means and the fact that they put in Grandpa Joe and Charlie breaking the rules makes them look stupid (they had just seen 4 other people have bad consequences follow that behavior) and undercuts the moral.
Anyway... the jazzhands in Wonka work.
Also, you can't make Willy Wonka LITERALLY magical and say he's the same character as Gene Wilder's Wonka. That's just... No.
can we like both ? , but i prefer timothee's young willy wonka cause he's an what if willy wonka was young and kind and just wants to bring joy in his chocolate and has an childlike personaility but smart , caring , an older brother figure towards the little girl noodle , and by the way i see Wonka 2023 is It's Own Thing even though it got orange oompa loompas
gene Wilsers willy wonka was also kinda kind hearted
It happened to Mean Girls, It happened to Wonka, I hope it doesn’t happen to Wicked (although they don’t have a singing problem they may have acting problems). STOP CASTING ACTORS(in the gender neutral sense) WHO CAN’T DO THE JOB
No version of Willy Wonka has yet managed to take on the original racist depiction of the Oompa Loompas, embrace the fact that this was a flaw in the original because Roald Dahl himself was quite racist, and then address that issue. This kind of origin story was a place that could have been done... if it were a better movie.