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Project Discovery // Part 1 - Purchase & Inspection
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- čas přidán 17. 08. 2024
- I buy a 1993 Land Rover Discovery V8 without inspecting it first. Then fly across New Zealand to pick it up. Drive it home, and then see how much of a mistake I made.
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I don't know if you agree, but the more damage and work for you, the more entertainment and joy for us 😁
Indeed
@@becomematrix amen
Yes we revel in his suffering.
Of course that's right - it would render Mr Croker's "car-car" a CZcams-project-car-car though. My friends and me called that "rolling restoration" back in our days of reckless youth and "no-car-budget-at-all" cars we eventually parked and sold off in pieces once MOT was so overdue even *_considering_* to further use it on road changed from misdemeanor to felony ....
It's true! That, and when you buy one that needs all the work done, once you're finished you know 100% what you have. It's those, "low mileage, cream puff," ones that surprise you when they break.
"I need a car, not a project".
Looking forward to seeing this project...
I laughed so hard at this, touche.
The plan: I intend to focus on the Discovery until it is road safe and not disgusting to sit in. I don’t want this project to displace the Series 3 restoration any more than it needs to.
Fact is, we have two old (not that old!) BMW’s, and all of my spare time was being consumed fixing BMW problems instead of working on the Series 3 anyway. When the red BMW’s gearbox decided it didn’t want to shift properly, I was done. F that car. Literally bought this Discovery the same day the BMW broke.
Long term, the Discovery might be mint - but the initial focus is just to fix any problems and make it good for the road. That way I can push at least one of our BMW’s off a cliff. Then focus will be back on the Series 3.
I post images of what I’m working on via Instagram stories. Follow me there if you want to see what’s going on in real time.
Looks like you have already met "Lucas The Prince of Darkness"
"I don’t want this project to displace the Series 3 restoration any more than it needs to. "
Hm. Allow me to press doubt, but we'll see. :))
Listen, you're a perfectionist, at least, by my measure, we all know where this is going.
Hm. Looks far too advanced and new-fangled to be a dependable daily driver. There's a damn computer in the thing for the love of pete!
Please Please let us see the end of the BMW... :)
I think you made a good choice, will be nice to see more of you online, but also either the Series 3 or this will be enjoyed by myself and many others! I think the Discovery should get the close enough is good enough repairs, so we can see the essential repairs in comparison to your much more complete Series 3 works.
I love the disco. My kind of car for sure but please don't stop the 'real' land rover project. That's the one we are all here to see
I've had a few of these and it's like fixing up a house. Start with the roof as that's the main contributor to the corrosion. All of the glass bits leak, especially the safari windows and the top of the windscreen. Land Rover must have made the seals on the roof bars out of water soluble material as they just disappear without a trace. All that said I have a massive soft spot for the Disco and look forward to the teardown. No point kidding yourself Geoff, you can't avoid the inevitable. 😉
We choose to restore this Discovery in this decade and do the other things, not because they are easy, but because they are hard, because that goal will serve to organize and measure the best of our energies and skills, because that challenge is one that we are willing to accept, one we are unwilling to postpone, and one which we intend to win, and the others, too.
😂
I like the idea of "keep it forever"
I also want to refresh an older tired car and use it daily
"Saving the planet by recommissioning Rover V8s". I'm completely down with that - I've got two of them now. Marvellous engine. If you can't have a Rolls-Royce Merlin, it's the next best thing.
Junk motors..poorly machine ed. Typical Brit junk
Lovely, looking forward to see more of this non-project!
quote: "i need a car not another project", well what you have there is another project, i've had a few of these and regularity is the word i would use for work required. looking forward to videos on this :D
I like the factory installed rain roofs and the sprinkler system around the windows. Goes well with the green house effect of the windows, really. Perfect for growing... stuff. Don't worry about the 120 grit sanding. It'll buff right out.
With some 80 grit!
Hi Geoffrey I have just finished watching one of your videos about the discovery. I too am a proud owner of a rusty piece of junk that I have owned for 7 years and it’s cost me a fortune.. saying this though on the brief occasion when it’s working and the sun is shining there is no greater joy than to drive my beloved Landrover across some open fields in sunny Devon England…
Keep making these brilliant videos as you are very informative and also amusing as well
BRILLIANT 🎉🎉🎉
I look forward to many more videos
Steve
I appreciate this video so much, very funny. I bought a 95 discovery 1 that sat since 2009 and was about to be scrapped. Naturally as a great husband does I bought it and had it towed to our house without telling my wife. Im about 4k into it and counting. I've gone through all the same rust, leak, electrical issues or and cannot forget the mice that turned it into a home during that decade of sitting. I've never spent so much time fixing and diagnosing on any other car in my life. The forums online have been a lifesaver. At first I was frustrated when I ran into issues but now when I fix something I'm like okay bring it on, whats next. Definitely a love hate relationship but I won't get rid of it, it's truely a great ride.
Good to see another old battler being ‘re-commissioned’. I did similar to you; bought an ‘89 RR Vogue which looked immaculate in pics. Flew in and was not impressed. It overheated on the 8 hour drive home but got me back nonetheless. It too had rust and many issues but I restored it and passed it on to the next vict….I mean enthusiast. At least I was more honest with my description. Cheers mate. 👍🏻🙏🦘🙈
Saving the planet by reconditioning v8s. Best line ever. Looks like a good project.
This is so.. bizarre for me. Whole car floor rusted and classic Land Rover response: "that's not bad" 😂
Its a damning statement for BMW when a disco is a better replacement! Looking forward to seeing more though, I had to sell my disco for scrap as it was more holes than floor sadly.
Hi great to see you back I had one in similar condition it can all be fixed . Mine the engine was completely sludged up I took some off inlet manifold off soaked for a week with degreaser steam cleaned down through top of engine reassembled flush the oil a few times replace air flow meter and ran for two years until I sold it . Speaking from experience I fear for your San. Seriously good luck.
Congrats on your Discovery! I had a 96 D1 here in Kenya with a 300tdi/5speed. I loved it to pieces but rust was the death knell of it. The chassis was perfect but the body was beyond repair. Check the area under the windscreen/upper firewall/bulkhead, front floors, rockers and inner sill panels. The area of the roof around the alpine windows also rots (one of the only steel exterior panels). Also the upper door frames, as you already Discovery-ed. Mine would have required an entire new body shell and in the end I sold it for more than I bought it for and moved on to the next project.
Fantastic ride, cannot wait for the fixing series!!
Started this process 17 years ago… Ironically, the drainage holes in the floor (for when you are wading) let in the water and the foam underlay holds onto the water really well. I ditched the carpets, plugged the holes, and it was dry for evermore. The boot floor patch is there because the water migrates to the back when you drive forward! So it just rusts through. Got fed up of patching and so cut out the floor and put in a new one.
My uncle worked at Land Rover when these were being made. At the point in the assembly process when they were fitting those rear side windows, they often found the body wasn't square so they would gently reverse the car into a piece of 4x4 braced against the factory steelwork.
Apparently they had to use this piece of wood so often that it had its own part number and was checked in and out of the stores.
Hahaha. Imagine what the Germans from bmw thought when they took over in the mid 90’s
I've worked out that I'm incapable of just fixing up vehicles. I can't stop myself going into full restoration mode. Hopefully you're not like me.
Fun project car. Definitely interested to follow.
Same here, it starts off as I will just get it up to properly functioning road worthy status then next thing I know I am replacing or restoring stuff that was slightly worn but still in good usable shape, then I get to a certain point and it's the "well I've taken it this far I might as well do paint and interior" mentality then for some reason as soon as I get it really nice and reliable where I get complimented when I take it out and not pulled over by the police thinking I'm a drug addict driving my crack mobile I for some reason sell it and start all over. It's a vicious cycle. What makes it even worse is I kind of like oddball vehicles that aren't mainstream popular so it's easy to lose money on them.
Love it! Certainly a Disco 1 fan! I own two and love them and hate them, haha. Always something to keep you busy!
Nice motor, I miss my 300TDI Discovery 1 very useful and practical car. Stuff Greta, the fact that your keeping a car on the road rather than buying a new one has to be better. Maybe we can get conversion kits for hydrogen or hybrid power in the future, Looking forward to seeing yuo work on this one too.
This channel is highly underrated
I daily my 96 300TDI disco. 450k on the clock. Super reliable only had the motor out twice in the last 60k.
Ha ha!
I love watching other people beat these vehicles into submission but don’t have the stomach for it myself.
What a fantastic purchase! It looks virtually factory fresh! 😂 Can't wait to see it nursed back to health - it's going to be a brilliant series of videos!
Love your videos. I sure enjoy watching someone else work on these old Land Rovers. 😀
Nice Geoff,
You need to check behind the plastic kick panels in the footwells for rust, I’ve got 2 slightly newer dead discos that are similar condition as yours.
Both have footwell issues (read that as gaping holes) that sort of sneaks up on people cause no-one looks there until water stuffs up the relays, wiring etc and no-one ever cleans the mud from behind the plastic inner guard.
The clock has a lamp behind it, I’ve never been able to keep one of those lit up for very long either.
For an old discovery 200 I’d say you’ve got a pretty solid one compared to the ones I’ve seen in the UK! Most have been scrapped now because of rot or the valuable 200tdi engine which made great conversions in anything Land Rover!
Good luck with your project. I bought a 1993 disco 200tdi and did what you are doing. Discovering rust. Drove it for 8 years until wife got trashed by a walking tree. 😅
Well done on your purchase. I look forward to seeing its rebirth. My first car was a 1954 86 Land Rover. It was in similar condition to your purchase. It had been used for beach fishing on the NSW Northern coast. Rust in the chassis cross members, no brakes, an engine that was well beyond its use buy date. But it had a really great hardtop made of plywood and skinned in fibre glass which made it quite quiet. It was great for Scout camps etc but I eventually had to have the engine reconditioned. This was totally screwed up by the reconditioner as he put the centre main bearing in backwards thereby blocking the oil to the big end bearings. He fixed it and the second time IT WAS THE SAME. Third time lucky. I sold it and bought a 1968 SWB ex government. It was great.
These days I am in my 70s and I have a Disco 2 Td5 which I bought for AU$6000. It only had 211,000 km on it and has been remarkably good so far. I have now owned it for three years. Apart from a diesel pressure regulator it has been really good.
Best of luck with your Disco 2. We had one at one stage. It was great. Mike in Oz
Currently daily a D1, looking at doing a bit of rust repair and stumbled across this series and channel they are great! Thanks for making the videos.
I really like your project. Fingers crossed all the vital systems hang in there while you sort the most pressing issues out one by one.
Love it, the amount of daily drivers you could of bought is enormous, yet you went for a 30 year old V8 Land Rover. I approve very much👍😊.
Lol,
My day just got to feel so much less complicated 👍
Just love your videos, thank you sir 😀
I just notified the colored text on the thumbnail. Nice touch. Excited to watch this thing restored to (near) perfection!
Off topic; seeing that I see Air NZ.. The preflight safety video Air New Zealand puts out had me laughing as I absolutely did not expect to see naked flight attendants with painted-on “clothes” on the video screen. Definitely had my attention! Something like that definitely
wouldn’t fly in the US hahaha!
1:20 British automotive industry slogan
Never seen a pre-airbag Discovery interior. Fascinating. Looking forward to seeing this one fixed up! Always loved sitting in the jump seats in my mom's Disco as a kid. Forgot about those.
I assume you're in the states? Yeah, the early interior is cool. I only considered ones with this interior.
@@CROKERvsRover Yep. I think it was a '95 model year. All tan and beige. Far more boring than yours.
The hand print is GOLD ! Can you leave that in please ? 🤣 Good luck with it.
This will be interesting! Great purchase, welcome to the Car Hoarders Association. 🙂
looking forward this! I have a P38 Rover that was in rough shape when I got it (but no rust). I drove it every day and wrenched on it every weekend for the first year I owned it. So many electrical issues!
After about a year of wrenching it actually became very reliable and its now my favorite car!
I bought a brand new one of these in the day, loved it..solid machines..
Yep! - me to. Probably the most comfortable 4x4 that I've had. Did over 100,000miles in it before I sold it. Just routine servicing required. It will be fine Geoff!
I got the exhaust done and it sounded so good..
The Morris Marina door handles; priceless!
ca-CHUNK '...Perfect', Congrats on the Disco, wear well! Lovely to see you in front of the lens a bit more, great little addition to the video. This rover may need its own patreon tier 😂
I was getting worried for a minute the upbeat dance/rock was not going to feature. Your videos are truly superb.
really looking forward to this. I too bought a 95 Disco 1 and am planning on making it my forever daily driver. Mine has rust in the rear pan and I"m going to spend more than the car cost to replace it. Halfway through doing the engine gaskets and replacing tired tubing. Can't wait to see more videos
looks good , hope it works out well for you and i will follow any progress with interest, thanks for your humurous and informative vids. Cheers
hahahaa my favorite part of the story is the desperate decision making process, in which you buy a rusty old land rover because you NEED a reliable vehicle immediately lol. You have no idea; I had a broken down other old car and needed something to tow, cross country! I made mine (in good engine shape but not nice general shape) tow a loaded sedan and heavily loaded rover with a a loaded old school car topper over 1000 miles, straight! only stopping for gas every ten minutes, for like 15 hours (well, that was the second leg of the trip; the first was about 350 miles through terrible winter weather, not towing anything). This was all after I stayed in a hotel for like a week, after purchasing - completely desperate because it immediately was killed by the cold and didn't start after purchasing (! so I thought I was scammed lol!) then after I had the starter replaced, it quit starting again like a day later! (I thought I was scammed and bought a lemon again); finally they replaced the starter solenoid as well and after like over a week in hotels and multiple towing fees..finally I had a starting 98' Discovery1 (auto, gas).. and it still is an old smelly truck that I need to not be a project! (I hilariously have the same decision making, desperate, non-project tendency lol). cheers. (but I was in an even more desperate situation stranded at a hotel with a u-haul and a dead car and all my stuff BEFORE I decided the rover was my ticket to security and luxury, and towing capacity...and sticking it to U-haul by not paying like $2,000 just to rent a moving truck to tow my damn other old car and like $3k worth of stuff...And it worked! And I was not sane or healthy enough to make a youtube video about any of it, but the plan worked and I got home with a discovery to slowly try to refurbish and drive in the meantime while I fix my other non-project car that overheated and needs an engine.
Can’t wait to see the process and the final outcome!
I had the exact same vehicle and same colour, but a 1991 model, the first year of the fuel injected but it was 3.5 litre not the 3.9. I preferred the 3.5 because they were far less prone to cylinder liners coming loose, (which happened to my later series 2 Disco) one thing you didn't check rot wise was the rear outboard seat belt mountings on the wheel arch as they are notorious for pulling right out of the arch. I know you have got a fair way along with this project and I as yet don't know what you have found. I owned my series 1 Disco for 11 years and ended up welding it from one end to the other. As for the steering, mine when I got it used to 'Dive' around the corners. You turned the wheel say coming onto a reasonable sized roundabout and all of a sudden the side you were turning to the front wing would dive down halfway round the corner. That I cured by putting Pollybushes in the front axle mounts in the longitudinal arms and also at the end of the arms at the body mount and the pan hard rod bushes. A bit of work but by god that totally transformed the handling. I later pollybushed all the rears suspension then the car would go round corners as fast as you like and as if it were on rails. The only thing limiting then was the tyre grip. I'm going to watch your series now and see what you find! By the way are you related to Geoffrey Croker? I followed his series 3 was it rebuild?
LOL i screamed in sync with the video when you mentioned the price
For 1993 and 260K's I reckon it's pretty darn good. Well worth saving. Never had a Discovery but my mate had a really old and rusty V8i that was so comfortable and wafted along. Terrific ride and great soundtrack so I can really understand the appeal. Good on you for saving it.
So pleased to see another Land Rover on the channel! I wish literally any Discovery here in the UK looked like that! Over here that would be concours! As I'm sure you're aware, the door lock problem is most likely to be the little spring s
Yesssss. I can't wait to follow this build.
Hi 👋🏻 buddy. It’s going to be a great journey with you lol 🤣 At least there’s plenty of parts for LR discos 😊🏴
Just something about these old Discovery Is. We had one in the early 2000s and bought another about three years ago. Refreshed all the hoses and fluids, fixed some electrical issues and now use it for errands. The window seals were always crap, lucky Land Rover Tampa replaced all our originals just before the warranty ran out. Our new one has the originals so I just park it in the pole barn.
I bought a 95 Disco during the pandemic and drove it from Salt Lake City, UT to Irvine, CA in the summer with a freshly broken foot. It's my daily with 225,000 miles on it. Good luck with this one.
Boy... I truly enjoy your videos. I hope this restoration give tons of good content for us. And help to boost your channel
I'm sure you'll suss but the HVAC system designer must have been a bit uptight:
"You want heat in two places at once? Why ever would you want that! Anyway you're not getting it."
"You want hot/warm/cold everywhere!! I'll decide that"
I'd order the full over-haul kit for the front axle now... Never known one that age that didn't need it if it hadn't been done!
Have fun ... sometimes miss my Disco ... but two 110's is more than enough trouble!
Bugger, now I’ll be checking every day for the next episode.
Awesome, always liked the early disco's too. Be interested in your comment regarding the background for the purchase!
You is a fan gentleman to watch....Came for the rover stayed for the delivery
I’d go the full Peter Anderson on the seats you know. Get them sparkling clean and you’re grand!
We want more from this Discovery project
That's what amazes me with land rovers nearly everything can be broken but they keep plodding along somehow, the newer stuff crammed with electrics must be a nightmare
Can you imagine what the 47 sensors of the collision-avoidance systems are going to be like to work on in 10 or 20 years? Gonna make a crash look like a pleasant prospect.
Not surprised the top sealant on the rear quarter panel is pretty average. Making that seam look good is hard work. That dipstick you checked is the gearbox not the transfer case
I have always loved the idea of owning a Discovery. I enjoy camping and generally getting out of the city. I couldn't afford one, so I ended up with an Isuzu Trooper until I couldn't easily get parts. I hope you document your clean-up of the Disco on CZcams. It will be fun to see what I missed out on. 🙂
Love the '93 discovery, specially the front end. Mine is half the v8 and all original powertrain. Needs a few bits specially in the gearbox department but it's in good running order and with only 2 big rust spots in the floor panels. Take care of your fluid levels and it will go anywhere.
If the motor feels sluggish try the mafs sensor either clean or replace and then look at the o2 sensor also check cam sensor too
More LR restorations is a good thing. Especially since they are hard to come by on YT. Big thanks and hello from the states.
Awesome Geoff. Looking forward to weekly videos for the next two years on this. Take the seats and carpet out and power wash them.
I have a 97 Disco. It's one of my favorite vehicles to drive. It's a lot of fun. But It's been an endless nightmare and a money pit to keep fixing. It literally just sits there most of the time because there's always something wrong, and stuff still just breaks sitting there on it's own lol. Good luck! That's all I'm saying.
About 4 months ago I bought a patrol MK from 1989 and I perfectly understand you. I'm still working about the "Not disgusting to sit on"....
Cannot wait to see what you make of this it! Plenty of entertainment for us!!
Lol. LOVED your final comments
I have a forever D2 as well
Good luck have fun
The poster you sent me is lovely, the conversion chart is great and I want the threadcutting chart now. I will send a pic, but I fell down the stairs a while back and I am still pretty rough. Mike from Canada.
PEOPLE!!!!! Buy the Workshop Charts...thread cutting, fraction conversions for bolts and sockets... ...great addition to your shop!!!!
Oh, man. Hope you recover quickly! And thank you very much.
@@CROKERvsRover No worries fella, love the chart and eagerly awaiting more S3 vids!!!
Can't wait for your engine fixes, that's next on my list for my 89 rangie. The lack of rust on the sills underneath is impressive.
I'm amazed at how many similarities there are w the early Disco and the Range Rover Classic. We didn't get this early dash/console in the States. Love the front end. Cannot wait to see your progress
Not just similar. I think the floor and frame are the same. Yeah, it's a shame you guys didn't get the early interior. You guys bought so many Range Rovers that LR tried to make the Discovery as 'car like' as possible to suit the US market.
Same car except for the roof line, rear body and bonnet. The doors can even be swapped from one to the other, though with different crease lines. The only significant mechanical difference was the 1990 and later RRs having a Borg Warner transfer box and most getting air suspension from 92 or 93 on.
I can't wait to see what surprises lay beneath. Hopefully not too too many.
Dude I always laugh my ass off watching your vids, Such a great youtuber man. Keep it up!
Excellent project car, hope fuel is cheap over there as my (recently sold ) mint 97 v8 would easily get 23l/100km! Sounded great with a mild exhaust, Check your alpine windows bound to be rust there also. My 97 disco 1 300tdi is a great car and oddly fun. Cheers Steve
$2000 US for a vehicle that drives, stops, has a clean title and current registration, Seems like a decent deal. I'm asuming the plane flight cost wasn't in that figure.
hilarious - enjoying it. I am looking at these with the V8 as well, those are rare in mainland EU, most of these have the 200 or 300TDi or the later ones (Series 2) the TD5 diesel.
OMG! Super lost opportunity, you would not believe how many New Zealanders have been in Birmingham for the last week or so.
They could have filled their bags full of spares from Solihull and brought them back duty free! Good luck with your everyday driver, sure us subscribers are in for a treat.....😉
Love the video's, can't wait for more..🤗
This v8 running for the next 30 years will still have less of an environmental impact than a car factory building a whole new car from scratch.
No power may be worn cam lobes. They also love to throw oil fumes up from the crankcase, so if you can put a catch can in, it stops the fumes wreaking havoc on the intake side. The 3.9 is probably the best out of all the Rover V8s. Not underpowered like the 3.5, no slipped liner issues like the 4.6.
Also nice to see car prices are also whack on the other side of the ditch!
That's great news! You've already fixed the clock!
What a deal, $3000 for reliable transportation with a 30 year resume
He's back! I'm so happy!
This is going to be very interesting
I'm completely expecting it to get out of control. and I am here for it.
Nice one Geoff. I am strangely interested in old discos too. Looking forward to seeing how this works out.
Really excited for this, not too bad of a purchase I reckon. It seems like all 90s real 4x4 are going up in value at least here in France. It might not be a money pit, specialy if you make it tidy. Cheers
Black Sheep!!! One of NZ’s best ever movies.
As a suffix D RRC with a 300tdi/R380/LT230 in it owner here, good luck.
It is the Croker reveal video! I hope this vehicle brings you and us some great entertainment!
Thanks Geoffrey, I seem to remember they don't put salt on the roads in New Zealand (Land Rover owners offer a prayer to the Gods).
i have a similar condition 1990 range rover classic minus the leaks. very similar dash/console and near identical engine bay, basic maintenance is all its ever needed, its slow, really slow but consistent power across the rev range, tows well and parts are now about the same cost as Landcruiser's and patrols, not the 300% they where a decade ago when i got it. I got the rangie to drive while I supercharged my daily xr8 ute (yeah I'm that smart 🤣) and its been there ready to go every time the ute needs to be off the road for repairs/upgrades or I just need room for a second passenger.
Range Rover V8's here in the states I used to pick up running in fair shape and not to high mileage for about scrap yard prices just a few years ago. The last one I had I I sold it for quite a bit of profit thinking I would buy another cheap one, that thought was kind of stupid on my part because they are non-existent for a reasonable price now.
It is so bad I was figuring I was going to do a series 1 Discovery next after the Model A Hotrod pickup in my avatar picture is completed.