8 Reasons Dutch Kids are SO Spoiled
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Dutch kids aren't spoiled. This should be the way it is for all children. Non-Dutch children are under-privileged.
Yes I agree
Totally agree!!
I absolutely agree that these opportunities should be available for all children!
It's the same in Scandinavia. In Denmark at least
I do agree that Dutch kids are spoiled but not for all the arguments in this video. Many Dutch kids are so used that they get so many things and have money to spend from an early age, they get frustrated and angry easily when something is not entirely going their way. They often show little respect for their parents, teachers at school, trainers / coaches / referees at sports and their superiors at the work place some of them have from age 15 and up. There’s a big difference between the expectancy of kids in the USA and those of the Netherlands. Both have their pros and cons, but I do think the Dutch kids take everything for granted, which is another word for just being spoiled.
There is a well known expression in The Netherlands: "if the kids are happy, the parents are happy". So, restaurants, vacation parks etc. are providing all kind of facilities to keep the kids busy and happy. And when the parents are happy, they are happy to come again.
But when it annoys other guests, you won't find the parents correcting the kids.
The whole park is getting bullied by those annoying pricks.
It's a good way to look at things.
@@Be-Es---___ It's quite amazing how often annoying kids trip and fall when they are near to me.
@@Be-Es---___ Ze hebben de corrigerende tik verboden, een paar jaar geleden en nou vinden ouders er niks meer aan en laten ze het corrigeren aan anderen over. Leraar, politie, sportclub etc
In Canada we say "If Mama is happy.....Everyone is happy"
I think having parents who have time for their kids and not work an obscene amount of hours each day is the best thing in the world.
Als die extra tijd nu eens zou worden gebruikt om hun kinderen op te voeden zou mooi zijn!
I agree. So many parent don't get enough time and that is very sad.
That is the cost of an expensive and materialistic society.
Some of the things you call spoiled I would call basic needs for kids to grow up into balanced, clear headed, wise adults with a supportive social network, respect for all others in your community and the opportunity to discover your talents , drive and life-goals.
I believe you are correct, Herr Smit. We can see the results of not having these things in other parts of the world.
I totally agree!!
That's what i wanted to say too! Should be normal everywhere.
I’m offended I really am ! You can not call our kids spoiled because we pay high taxes for good social security’
Judging the video and how highly and positively she talks about all the subjects, I think she is not being serious about it. It's more of a joke.
Great video! But somehow I think the word should be 'privileged', not spoiled :) I think you're just spoiled when you're not thankfull for your privilege, taking it for granted.
True although the word privilege is political nowadays :(
@Arthur Hagen; you beat me to it and found the word I was looking for while I was typing my response; "privileged" exactly 🖒🖒🖒
@@sueb3747 I know. Too bad, the word is much older then the people who redefined and politiced it to further their own agenda. Everybody is privileged to some extend on some aspect of life or being.
Many of your points are valid for all european countries... it seems that the children of the USA might be 'under-valued' by comparison?
yeah I feel like spoiled refers more to kids who always get what they ask (or rather, whine or nag) for and therefore never learned how to handle the word "no"
Nice clickbait Jovie: All Dutch parents will react now: No We did not spoil my child/children! It is just the way it should be! You know Dutch people are proud and LOVE to express their opinion!
Yes- I've learned a thing or two about what will get attention! 😎
This makes me wish America was a real country instead of an open air shopping mall.
BURNNNNNNNNN
Wow.
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I brought my daughter to Sweden and Denmark when she was 16 and after she was determined to go to college in Europe. She did her research and felt that Netherlands was the best fit for her. After living in NL a couple of months she was quite angry that I had not moved to the Netherlands before raising a family. How do you explain that you didn't even know it was that much better than the US for children?
Seriously? In my opinion SV is even more into children than NL. I wonder why she thinks that way.. could you hand over some examples why she thinks that way?
@@5Fem5Fem First of all the US education system is a failure, the health care system is a failure and it's unsafe because school shootings happen almost everyday. How is the US better for children than most west European country's?
@@Lara-he4dp I think she meant Sweden by SV. Sweden's a very nice country as well.
@@Lara-he4dp I indeed mean Sweden. I believe an upbringing in the US is not a thing to be envious about. I feel very sorry for the unsafe situation they grow up in, and I would say that any place in North-West Europe to grow up in is better
We're all just doing the best we can with what we know, right?
If only "taxes" wasn't such a swear word in the US, they could have the same level of happiness for their kids 🤷🏼♀️
I don't think the people's perception comes from people, they are carefully media brainwashed to think like that, makes it easier for the government to use the money for military and other crap rather than benefiting the children and ordinary people.
I don't mind donating money for a good cause. As an American while not everyone thinks like I do I see it more as government spending it on unnecessary things than the people. Our history has always been about doing the "right" things for the wrong reasons. Our government spends a lot of our money for their own need, and just for other countries. It's not bad to help other countries but we're very overpopulated and we've been doing nothing but working our butts off in order to live and there's many people inside the country and visitors from outside the country who take advantage of that and we're just sick of it. It's just full of lies and corruption, because growing up we were taught that working hard brings you happiness and success. But now I'm older and I'm still working my butt off just to make a living. Americans don't live to work, we HAVE to work in order to live. Now I don't speak for every American this is just from my perspective growing up in the country. I'm fine with taxes being paid for good use for the people but I just can't trust our government with it. The biggest issue that we have aside from useless money spending is we are very overpopulated, so high supply and demand means prices for items and trade deals go up, which makes it harder for the poor and middle working class. Hope my two cents gives you an idea of our view of getting "free stuff" through taxes. Trust me nobody in this country wants to work for free and I would be more than happy to take more paid vacations considering how many hours a week I work and not having personal time for myself and my family. 😞😞😞😞
"Will be paid for by the government" means it's being paid for by tax payers. That's not a cynical remark, but put here to underline that a majority of the populace has a community sense and values what government does with the money.
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Taxes are good!!
Will be paid for by us through taxes, because our kids deserve the best; all of them.
@@5Fem5Fem They’re not good, they’re necessary. That’s a difference in my opinion.
“Self help” medicines are not covered by insurance: basically everything you can obtain without prescription at the drogist or even supermarket. But they’re usually quite affordable.
Spoiled or do they just get the basic stuff what they deserve? I think the last one and they also are aware of it that they have a good life here. Dutch dont like spoiled kids or spoiled people. You have kids who act spoiled and kids who have a good life and are thankful for it. And i think the most Dutch kids are thankful for it and also work hard for it they are aware that they also have to do their thing in the community life what is a very important thing for Dutch people ♡ Kids are number 1 in the NL and they deserve a unworried life. Thank god they have a happy kids life here without to much competition and expectations. Thats why Dutch kids are the happiest in the world ♡♡♡
We used the word spoiled because we knew it would get more attention than words like lucky or privileged. It worked!
As an 18 years old from Switzerland, living in a above average neighborhood, even in country with crazy good life quality, it comes down to realisation and graditude.
You should be thankful every minute of your life, that u can have a good familiy, supporting friends, safety and all the other good things u have in your life.
As stupid as it sounds, living in a safe envirement, we tend to forget about other people and other countries, with more problems than us, because it is just normal for us to live our life full of „quality“.
I always try to remember how privileged I am, when im worried about some small problems, because most of the times we are quite pessimistic.
I think this mindset would make a big change in the general happiness of the society.
I was triggered a bit, by the word „spoiled“, even tho I know, that you didnt mean it in this way.
I really like your Videos, I think it is crazy interesting, to compare the mindest of different cultures ( for ex us vs eu).
Like this we can learn a lot from each other.
We are lucky 🍀 to live in this beautiful country 🍀🇱🇺
Ja maar maakt dat onze kinderen meteen verwend? Verwend omdat ze met de fiets naar school kunnen ipv met de auto? Haar video slaat kant nog wal vind ik voor deze keer...
@@jenny11098
Je hebt haar en de inhoud van de video duidelijk niet begrepen: ze bedoelt het niet negatief maar juist positief, met een knipoog. Ze noemt allerlei zaken op die ze enorm waardeert en waarom (veel) kinderen a.h.w. geluksvogels zijn vergeleken met kinderen in andere landen, waar dit allemaal niet vanzelfsprekend is.
@@Wuppie62 pardon...google maar eens wat spoiled betekend BEVUILD. Dat klinkt niet echt positief hoor....omg hoe praat je iets recht wat krom is. Ze heeft met haar conclusies niet verder gekeken als haar eigen straatje en heeft er duidelijk geen besef van wat er allemaal speelt door HEEL Nederland
@@jenny11098
Hou toch op Jemma, kom van dat dak af. Je snapt het nog steeds niet en neemt het veel te letterlijk en te serieus. Wel eens van begrippen als humor, knipoog, plaagstootje, satire, spot, sarcasme en zo gehoord? Mijn hemel..
En nu niet reageren met: " maar ik zit helemaal niet op een dak!"
@@Wuppie62 houd zelf op...als jij het opvat als humor jouw goed recht. Iedereen heeft nu eenmaal andere humor. Ik zeg alleen wat ik hoor in de video niks meer en niks minder. En je moet het niet zo opvatten is zo makkelijk. Ik zeg toch ook niet: ik vind je een grote trut, ja is grapje hoor moet je niet zo letterlijk nemen. Ik zeg het toch, het staat er toch dan
Thank you for this video, Jovie! It's really nice to get your opinion as a mom because raising our 2 daughters here in the Netherlands was 1 of the top priorities for us to move here. Love from Almere!
I'm so glad you enjoyed it, thank you for the support!
I would like to point out that there is a difference between a bungalow park and a camping, as those are not the same. On a camping you stay in a tent or a caravan. Either mobile caravans you tow behind your car, or the stationary ones that usually are a bit bigger. While a bungalowpark is usually more luxurious and has houses.
I am Dutch and your arguments and ideas are so true. I only would never call it spoiled. Every kid deserves to have the most amazing childhood they can by playing outside, having education fit to their needs and explore what they like and want to do in life by playing different sports etc
Unfortunately many children even here in the Netherlands live in poverty and can't even go to a restaurant and the kinderbijslaf is used more and more for food and clothing for children.
We used the word spoiled because we knew it would get more attention than words like lucky or privileged. It worked!
Dirty trick? This is social media, all online creators do whatever they can with their titles and thumbnails to get views. If you watch my video you will hear *why* i use the word “spoiled”.
I visit a Friend of mine in London on an almost yearly basis (Covid messed up) Coming from Amsterdam I'm always surprised at how dirty London is, how many beggars/homeless peoples there are. Take a train from what ever airport and travel into London centre.. Some places look like a shanty town in South Africa and no this was also before Brexit! I hardly see any junkies anymore in Amsterdam or homeless people.
Oh no. That is so sad.
London, beside a few things designed for tourists and the areas for filthy rich, is not a very pretty place. Sadly. I believe the major attractions are for young people, because of the sheer size, there are so many things to do and there are always loads of jobs around. If it wasn't for those things, I doubt anyone would be staying here. Also really shitty place to bring the kids up, in my opinion.
Hello Jovie, I'm glad to see that you are smiling again. I hope your daughter is feeling better now. Groetjes.
Thank you! I appreciate it!
Right from the get-go and even b4 I have viewed this particular episode, but WITH having the benefit of raising children both in the US as well as here in NL, I feel the need to point out a linguistic oddity between (US) English and Dutch that pertains this issue.
The English notion of being 'spoilt' essentially translates as 'rotten, fermented or corrupted' and with that in most cases beyond redemption and with the onus on the subject (child) for having become such. This is of course lunacy, since it is not the responsibility of the child to condition itself into social compliance or prevent it from being afflicted by stimatizing behavioral oddities and social deviations.
The Dutch word 'verwend' stems from the verb 'wennen' and basically translates into 'Ill conditioned or Ill adjusted', which puts the onus on the conditioner (parent/caregiver) to correct this undesired condition and rightfully so, I might add. Main takeaway here, is the fact that correction is feasible and likely beneficial, both to the child as well as to the social framework that it operates in, but management of such is unequivocally the responsibility of the parent/caregiver.
Just my 2ct on the matter.
Wow, I never thought of it that way, but man, that's insightful
I don't entirely agree that the english attitude is that a spoilt child is at fault or beyond redemption - it is always the poor parenting that causes the problem. I would add that the US perception seems to be that spoiling a child , in the sense of overprovision of material things, is a good thing. Which it isn't!
That's a very interesting point, thanks for sharing. When we decided what to put on the thumbnail, we decided to choose a word that would get attention!
@@JoviesHome Well, it certainly did and of course my comment did not cover your current episode, since, as stated, I submitted it prior to reading it.
I have read it now and have agree with you and go with the old Dutch dictum: "Better 'spoilt' than neglected.", or "Beter verwend dan verwaarloosd."
My experience in the US was that most measures to improve children's lives where I lived, were basically in the fields of safety and security or at the very least geared towards keeping them in a safe and secure (read: controllable) environment. Playing out in the park without watchful (and prying) eyes of a parent was totally out of the question and could potentially result in the parents suffering consequences with the authorities.
To sum it up, with 'Fear is the Key' in mind.
Having myself grown up here in NL in the 1950s and 1960s, I had always been free to roam around far and wide to do what little boys did to entertain themselves, which would raise the hackles of any current day American parents and quite admittedly of some Dutch parents too.
I was kind of a wild-child then, but it worked out fine for me (eventually...)
So, that idea was totally alien to me when coming to the States. Freedom appeared to be not so free for US kids and parents alike, since it got them into Catch-22 situation between freedom and fear.
Both my kids are now fine young adults which are confident and happy world-travellers, so something must have gone right there too.
And, when your child is happy, you are happy. Nothing better than see your child have a wonderful time.
We Dutch people like to complain about everything, but this is one thing we can proud of.
Yes you can! Be proud!
In the Netherlands having affordable health care is seen as a basic accuired right for Dutch citizens the fact that kids get it for free is a bonus.. But in the same time its not to be taken for granted but to be thankfull for
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I hope my videos can help people to be thankful for what they have!
@@JoviesHome totally!!!
Worse health care in the world
Hi Jovie, I'm very pleased you experience the way of life in the Netherlands as positief, especially for young children. I've worked for 25 years as a teacher en was part of the management group in different schools for 20 years. What I have seen is that the children here can make their own choices en are can grow up as a fully, responsible citizen of the world. Of course there are always things we must do to make it even better. Your video is a great compliment for all the hardworking teachers, thank you for that!
I will show this video to my daughters of 21 and 23 and remind them of their happy youth :-) Although, I'm afraid they'll ask me what I did with "their" kinderbijslag hahahaha.
By afraid says to me for some odd feeling that it did NOT went to anything to do with the child it is meant for? Or what do you (and looking at the likes you received) or other people do/did with that money?
I'm confused? 😕
I hope anybody could explain it to me, sorry in advance for the question but I truly do not understand it 😶😊
@@mademoisellekaya1438 I was joking. Ofcourse we used it for our daughters. Mostly for buying new clothes. Little children grow fast :-)
I hope they will like it! Thanks for the support!
Hi Jovie,
I really wanted to thank you for all your videos, I was watching you before I arrived in the Netherlands and you made me find my way here much easier. THANK YOU ❤
The facilities like playgrounds at restaurants also make a lot of sense commercially. It makes for happy customers and happy customers spend more, tell their friends and will come back.
Hi jovie, great video, about the independence for kids, reminds me when i was at my brothers home doing some "klussen" my nephew came by, grab his bike, and went too the swimmingpool, it was like hi and bye, and he was gone with his friends on his bike, no problem, if you mention it like this, it sounds special, while it is for us just normal.
There really are a lot of special things about The Netherlands. Thanks for watching!
Besides the 'kinderbijslag' that people received every quarter, there is something else (when your income isn't too high). It's called 'Kindgebonden budget', and you receive that every month.
It's a great system!
@@JoviesHome I agree. And there is quite a difference between the municipalities. Where I live we don't have some kind of 'pas' and sports are paid by another foundation (sportfonds Drenthe). All the other things (to a certain amount of money, depending on how many kids you have) goes online with some kind of webshop. You can order tickets for a few theme parcs, bikes or even computers. Besides that we something called 'startersgeld' for kids who are leaving the 'basisschool' to buy stuff that they need for 'voortgezet onderwijs'. And there are some other projects from sponsors like a bag full of presents for 'Sinterklaas'. Due my job I have a lot to do with people who are living with a low income. And if I tell you that I can even arrange that a divorced mother need some help to paint the bedrooms for her kids or place some hences for safety reasons, I can arrange it.. She only has to pay for the fuel, the rest is free.
Appreciating my own country through your videos.
That's great to hear, thank you!
Also to be able to go to school by bike we have "klaar-overs" on busy main roads. At least in the east where I live. A "klaar-over" (translated in this case as: ready, cross) is usually a parent or a volunteer, who receives a one day training from a police officer. They are positioned on key junctions or entry roads to school. They help guide traffic and get the children across safely on these busy roads or junctions.
You know these family oriented holiday parks have this philosophy like, "it's the parents holiday too..." meaning they design things specifically so the kids will be kept busy and kept safe and the parents don't have to worry about anything for a week or two.
If the kids are a little older, like 8-12, in theory you could just kick them out of the bungalow in the morning with some pocket money and they'll just go out and play all day and you won't see them again until dinner time. Imagine all the books you could read in that time!
If you call this spoiled I wonder what you would call the kids that grew up here in the 70's and 80's, as I consider those decades even better to grow up in. The country was even safer back then, especially for kids. That resulted in even more independence. I remember playing outside and it was up to us if we stayed around the house or went to the playground or the woods. Nobody knowing where we were exactly. Which didn't matter as everything was safe. As long as we made sure we were home before dark nobody bothered us. If someone asked we just said we were playing outside. The rules were mostly limited to "be home before dark" or "come home when the streetlights come on". And if we came home our mothers were there with lemonade and snacks or cookies. As there was no need for both parents to work as you could get by with a single salary. Even if that was a low income job in a factory.
I'm comparing The Netherlands to my experience in the USA most of the time, and I do feel like we are "spoiled" in a good way with all of the things we have here. And I like to shine a light on them because it makes me even more grateful to live here.
Want to cry when I hear you explain this. My daughter loves where she is, because everything is familiar to her. But... you know
To all the people discussing the word 'spoiled' vs the word 'privileged' in the title... Could it be that Jovy is just a smart cookie and made some sort of clickbait title??? Nothing wrong with that, money (views) makes the world go round.
I thought the same
And I think it’s sad
Oh no, you're on to us!
@@JoviesHome 😂💪🏻😂
Will immediately like any Jovie video before it even begins, out of principle. Who’s with me?
Aww, thank you!
I love your videos so much! I can't imagine playing outside at 3 or 5 by themselves...I take mine (same ages) to the park daily I try not to hover and sit back on a bench but I'm always watching. But Yeah I remember walking home by myself at that age when I was a kid so maybe that's why lol
And still there are people who are complaining all the time how bad everything in the Netherlands is.😁
Regarding the Payments for the Children, we have something like that here in Canada called Baby Bonus, however, it's given on a monthly basis. I'm not sure how much it is now as I have no young children, but I remember it being in place since I was a kid myself, and that was a quite a while ago. (lol).
We look at kids being "trainee grown ups". Our educational system and the way we raise them is to get them as soon a possible independent. Their independence is self-evident to them selves, to their parents and within society, in which independence is required. This goes for boys, but for girls as well and all others within the LHBTI community. The sooner kids are independent and so be able to make their own carefully considered decisions, the sooner they will grow up and so they'll be able to make decisions for themselves since they are used to do so from an early age on. This may have led to the fact that Dutch children are the happiest children of the entire world.
Hey..., perfection is an illusion, but you can try, right? ;-)
Please do not forget that the children of now are the grown ups of tomorrow who will decide for/ over you when you are old an in need of aid.
Loved the video. And hope you have a great rest of you day.
That's great, thank you! I hope you will enjoy yours too!
nice approach, never thought about it this way
Thanks for watching and supporting!
Ik kom uit Zwitserland, een schone in principe veilig. Word ik als een tiener beschouwd als een verwend nest. Ik sta echter niet op hetzelfde niveau als de Amerikaanse jeugd. Ik heb geen driftbuien, want ik beschouw mezelf als geluk te hebben gehad een tevreden leven te leiden en de dingen te hebben die ik nodig heb, vooral voor mijn opleiding.
Ik heb het gevoel dat ik het geluk of het voorrecht heb een goed leven te hebben. Ik respecteer mijn ouders en hoewel we misschien wat meningsverschillen hebben, is het normaal dat we opgroeien. Ik ben tenslotte ook maar een mens, hoewel ik nog steeds 17 ben.
IK VERHUIS NAAR NEDERLAND!!!!!
(I AM MOVING TO THE NETHERLANDS!!!!!)
we gave the child benefit to our daughter as clothing allowance/pocket money. the first 2 years we monitor that and later on occasionally. This is how they learn to handle money.
I just know my mother wasn't the only who said this to me when I was young and I was acting like a brat about school and/or life in general: "Je weet niet hoe goed je het hier hebt." ("You don't know how good you have it here.") Even though there are always children who start with nothing and have terrible chances in the Netherlands, I'm really glad I live in a country where children are generally safe and have the opportunity to grow into sensible, empathetic adults.
edit: Great video btw Jovie! I love how positive you are about the Netherlands. Puts a lot of things in perspective.
I'm so glad you understood the spirit of the video, thank you for sharing that expression.
i'm a belgian and most things are same as holland for kids but wording spoiled could be better. Although from american perspective i understand. Like playing alone, in america parential supervising is a must. That was cultural shock for me, when i visited california and arizona and it didn't matter if it was city or the suburbs as kid not being able to play alone with friends on playfield, footballfield, some farmland etc.. was shocking.
Not spoiled. Blessed.
Yes I remember when I, as a Dutch, was with my in laws in USA and having dinner I totally could not understand why our 3 childten had to sit together at a small table with each other in the kitchen. Just the 3 of them. Here in Holland we include them, we sit all together at one table!!
In america kids are wellll yeh generaly not as well mannerd at the table! (ofc this is not for everyone)
Is the child support also available for exbats?
What is the opposite of a backhanded compliment? A forehanded putdown?
Anyway, for the ones who missed it: she is giving a big compliment to the Netherlands, and the title is just slightly provocative clickbait.
ja ik ben opgegroeid in Nederland in de jaren 90 en ik heb een geweldige Jeugd gehad hoor, ik mag niet klagen. schoolreizen naar geweldige plaatsen werk week naar camping achtige plaatsen, echt heel goed
I agree with you in every point 👍 I'm from Germany.... living since 5 years in the USA. Germany is exactly the same then Netherlands. My kids always was by themselves on a playground, was going alone to the school, healthcare system is in Germany the same, supporting poor families from government is same way... ❤️
Er zijn veel kinderen in Nederland die leven onder de armoede grens , die kunnen niet op vakantie in zo’n luxe bungalow park en die gaan nooit naar restaurants . En alleen de allerarmste kinderen mogen sporten op kosten van de staat , met het probleem dat ze niet de goede kleding kleding dragen of flink afdankertjes aan hebben van andere kinderen . Er is absoluut een klasse verschil . Niet alles is zo als het lijkt .
Your outtro gave away your true intention of this video. Great! Hope that other countries will pickup your message. And indeed, if Dutch children/parents still complain for no reason, it makes me mad.
Thanks for sticking around to the end!
Good education is a necessity over here and no spoilment. Taking for granted that some stuff is taking care very well is another thing.
There is always a lot of emphasis on the Dutch child allowance. In my (non-expert) research, it appears to be quite a bit less than the US child tax credit available through income tax filings. I am not arguing that an income tax credit is preferable to a child allowance. The US child income tax credit is something that even those who do not owe income taxes can receive, so essentially it has similar availability. My understanding is that Dutch income taxes are significantly simpler than US income taxes and do not offer such expense credits as the child credit. Many other countries have similar child tax credits rather than upfront child allowances. I agree that NL is a great place to raise kids and to live. I just don't think the Dutch child allowance is really that unique. It's just administered differently to similar programs in other countries and so it looks like something not available elsewhere.
Kids are the most holy important things in the NL ♡
OK, first of, it's good to see you again... (where y'a been🤔?)
Second, and this could be put under the heading "semantics", but I think that "spoiled" doesn't really fit the bill here. Spoiled, to me, has a negative connotation, e.g. a child that wants something and doesn't get it and then throws a hissy fit/temper tantrum is a "spoiled" child.
Like I said, semantics, but I'd say "lucky" is better fitting as it also encompasses a "random" element.
"They" could be considered "lucky" to be born in and/or living in The Netherlands.
OK, enough rambling/hair splitting, good to see you back!!!
I'm going to be uploading more often, thanks for missing me! And lucky is a better word. But I don't think as many people would have clicked on that thumbnail!
When I visit Spain, Portugal, Southern France etc. I hardly have to get used to the smells of rotting garbage, the noise and what not. But after a day I'm ok. Returning to The Netherlands it takes me a lot, lot more time to get used to the cleanliness, neatness and the lack of mess. Then I really mis the smell of diesel and rotting fish.
What an interesting thing to miss!
@@JoviesHome I know!
But the Netherlands can often be too sanitised and regulated.
When I was young (50 years ago) my friends and I would explore decrepit buildings. That was great fun, a true adventure. Decrepit buildings do not exist anymore nor do those adventures.
I cannot wait to move there, my little one will love the Dutch environment. He does not have the same opportunities in my current country.
Just a very caring society in general, more prevalent in North-western European countries than others. During the school holidays from about seven, I was out all day until very hungry or too wet and cold, it was England! It gave Mum a chance to get used to having us children about again. Although my sister and I often couldn't wait for the holidays to end and get back to school, I without older sister around and she was probably glad to lose her annoying little s**t of a brother, boredom used to set in after about a week. If really lucky Dad might be home on leave. I think a lot of modern parents worry too much about the safety of their children, they are very resourceful and aware of the dangers that life can hold, mine were and had a similar freedom.
It sounds like you had a great childhood. Thanks for sharing your memories!
Wow, does the US not have a Centre parcs equivalent? We have them in the UK but usually went to the ones in the NL as it was more of an experience!
You are ignorant
I grew up in Bulgaria and I had a lot of freedom and independence as a kid
My mom let me go 'on my own' to my friend across town. Years later I learned she took a paralel route to make sure I got there safely around age 6.
How does this have anything to do with a kid being spoiled and more about having a good system in place for kids on a government level.
Oooh You almost got me with the video title! I don't know if "spoiled" is the right word, but ok, we do want the best for our kids. On the other hand we also want our kids to grow into responsible adults, so from a young age kids are given responsibilities to learn to deal with, and prepare for adult life.
Spoiled:
1. (of a person, especially a child) harmed in character by being treated too leniently or indulgently.
Is it _spoiled?_ Or is it, wellbeing that should be strived for?
I mean... three quarters of the things you mention are just necessities to develop into a mentally well balance adult. How can you expect someone to be self reliant when they weren't allowed to do anything without supervision as a child? Or if they felt like they weren't good enough because they didn't have an education that fit with them? How can you be healthy if you live in a dirty unsafe environment and don't get medical care because your parents can't afford it? Providing education, healthcare, safety and giving a certain level of trust to people are basics that should be strived for everywhere it is possible. And of course they _should_ know that they shouldn't feel entitled to just get anything they want, and that there are many people who don't get these things.
Maslow’s Pyramid
@@5Fem5Fem that's the thingy, yeah :-)
We used the word spoiled because we knew it would get more attention than words like lucky or privileged. It worked!
@@JoviesHome that it did 😛
Jovie, or anyone in NL, do Dutch children have to fundraiser for their activities like swim club, scouts, band, sports, etc.? Wondering if that’s a US only thing or not.
I do like the use of the word spoilt when you talk about basic things like clean environment
Sorry I meant do not like
We used the word spoiled because we knew it would get more attention than words like lucky or privileged. It worked!
@@JoviesHome It gives out the wrong message sorry Jovie not correct
Something does sound very authentic and rings pretty true about the way you're expressing things here. And you might want to pay close attention to this in the long run. You mention being jealous of your kids because this country chose to actually centre families and kids and generate, develop and maintain structures that effectively are family and child friendly. And because of that choice and support, you can notice how this generates a ripple effect in the mindset of businesses, organisations and overall general attitudes. However, if I were you i'd try to reduce the 'jealousy' towards your children as well as framing this as them being spoiled. You really seriously need to work on that.
But yes, i personally do commend you as a parent to have made such choices and mostly to have chosen this environment and attitude to let your children grow up in. And it's marvelous that you as a parent notice and appreciate these accommodations and attitudes so much. Still, despite that it might be regrettable that there aren't more countries (mostly outside of the EU) providing similar kinds of opportunities to their youth, you should remain aware that you do pay what you get for. The higher tax you pay becomes worth it when you see how it creates opportunities and privileges for your children and the children of others when these funds are allocated towards a family and child supporting and developing system.
As a parent you made a great choice and its lovely to see you value the system. Still, your kid(s) might definitely benefit from this setting, but they won't really realize it because to them it will be like water to a fish. Only when they're older they might come to understand this once they experience different systems elsewhere or when you point out the massive drawbacks of those other systems. As an adult you can compare from personal experience and because you have seen or heard about other systems and you're aware of what's wrong with them, what the drawbacks are, or at least what the things are that makes this system or society type so great. Instead of being jealous of the kid(s) it's healthier to enjoy and appreciate this system together with your kids. Don't stay stuck too much in that resentment of not having had the opportunity to live the benefit and the privileges that are created here. Instead it would be far wiser, and maybe even to the point of making several actual notes, to educate your child(ren) on the differences you have experienced and make them aware of the merits of the system they are currently enjoying. Yes, educating them on why the surroundings and the system they grew up in is so wonderful compared to other situations elsewhere, will educate them on the privilege they and their friends were able to enjoy. And you can even bring them such an awareness with an instruction and a lesson to try and spread similar systems and ideas wherever they go and thus keep contributing to such positive environments and societal structures. That's a far more constructive and valuable gift to your children as well as to the environment and society they were then able to flourish in. And it also would truly would make them continu to use their privilege and keep spreading the same or similar privileges to others instead of turn their back on that and effectively render them unthankful and spoiled.
It's interesting that you say the country is clean, in my experience it's very dirty in the cities. Little towns are cleaner of course. About very little children (in your example), that is just irresponsible. Children at that age just can not be left to themselves. The payments per child every 3 months is almost nothing and it is not fair that everyone gets the same amount paid per child regardless of the level of their income. In my experience children are not welcome in restaurants at all except McDonalds e.d. Can't believe how different our experiences are in the same country. In south of Europe children are much happier and have much more freedom. Also, people are more attentive to children. I am very grateful that my son grew up in Croatia in a more natural environment and not in the Netherlands.
Spoiled means treated in a way that will bring ruin to them in the future.
(Giving the child lots of sugary foods, they become diabetic into the future. Letting them hog out and no exercise, they will become obese, potentially diabetic, and a host of other health problems in the future. Praising the child and bribing coaches or competitive judges to let your incompetent child play or win awards which leads to a ego tripping and false sense of ability for the kid).
So all your points:
1) Clean free of pollutants won't bring ruin to them in the future.
2) Affordable higher and vocational education geared to becoming a productive worker/laborer or whatever profession will not bring ruin to them in in the future.
3) Independence of children (safety regarding security) so they may learn independently how to cooperate with other children and surrounding other adults and all does not being ruin to them into the future.
4) Supporting low income families to ensure children of lower class income levels can participate and gain the same/similar advantage of wealthier children won't bring ruin to them in the future.
5) A child payment is essentially a tax credit (USA does similar just that normally you must way to file your taxes to get the return); this will not bring ruin to the children into the future.
6) Free healthcare for children won't bring ruin to them in the future.
7) Infrastructure with kids care in mind will not bring them ruin into the future.
8) Holidays camping or touring other places and towns and cultures and theme parks or other such things will not bring ruin to the child into the future.
Think your video should be 8 Advantages Dutch Kids Have to have a Wonderful Life.
Sad that we as Americans would call this type of care, as spoiling the child.
But in America there will also be health insurance, right? And some kind of financial contribution for children? And locations especially for small children. It also seems very normal to me that children go to school by bicycle or on foot. that is good for the development of the children. But if I watch the video like this, America is apparently very far away from the Netherlands. Of course I don't know about taxes in America. but these kinds of facilities can of course only be done by having everyone pay a decent amount of tax at the same time. And of course a child should never not receive treatment because parents cannot afford it, for example. so you have to have a health insurance system that just covers kids with the parents. Every now and then I am surprised that things in America are pretty badly arranged. Things like this just have to exist in a country.
Jovie, the documentary series "Klassen" might be an eyeopener about our Dutch schoolsystem. It has flaws, many flaws...
I personally lived in a neighbourhood in Amsterdam where kids were always supervised at the play ground, either by volunteer parents, or the social organization. A good friend of mine, who's a single mom, felt forced to move to another neighbourhood, because she observed her kid being easily influenced by older kids to do shady stuff.
Not all dental care is free for kids under 18 years. One of the parents needs to have the highest level of health insurance for at least a year prior to your kid needing retainers.
As was proven the last 1,5 years, we as a country are so insanely rich, people who want to lent money to our government, pay negative interest. Families are the cornerstones of the society. And everything is based on that. You can get funds for just about anything if there is a need. One thing you should keep in mind: If you got 35.000 EUR to pay for childcare or after school care, and your forget to pay a small amount of 80 EUR, you're f*cked. But otherwise, the best country in the world. And to quote former president Trump: "Really, it's ridiculous. Other countries ain't even real countries. They are fake countries".
Hi Jovie, thank you for posting your video.
You choose the wrong word for being spoiled.
This video is more about how blessed they are.
Being spoiled is really some different.
When I moved from Switzerland to the Netherlands I found Netherlands to be very dirty relative to Switzerland. Its also safer there. It’s all relative.
Nice title! It caught me off guard.
(I live currently in Quwait and can testify: spoiled children look VERY different from those noisy snotties in Amsterdam ...)
Hi Jovie! Nice video! We have some lucky kids!
My thoughts on really spoiling kids is for instance getting them everything they want. And that that creates a sense of entitlement. I find it hard myself not to spoil my kids too much, but I do try to be aware of it, because I don’t want them to turn into entitled adults. Does that make sense?
We used the word spoiled because we knew it would get more attention than words like lucky or privileged. It worked!
@@JoviesHome hahahaha, yes! It did! And I really enjoyed it, once I heard the content. I always look forward to your videos. Love from Katwijk aan zee!
I think you have the wrong impression, very young children ( ages 5 and 3 ) are definitely supervised, you may nor see their parents but they are very nearby, like you said you can see the playground I’m certain they can see their children if not another adult in neighbourhood will watch them.
Canada, bigger and less populated than the US but are both SO big, these policies would be difficult to put in place. And my Provinces and the America states are so territorial with their jurisdictions. However, my country is already considered "commie", and alot of American wannabies slow down any more of the Dutch policies you listed. Canada has so many ties with the UK, Europe (and Asia) and the US that we feel like the opposite of "socialist hoards at the gate". The "Immoral Capitalists hoards at the gate." I grew up in a Dutch farming community, so I'm with you, Jovie. (Glad to see you're smiling again, I hope your daughter is fine.) Chers from the West Coast of Canada.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts and for your concern for my daughter!
Dutch kids are rated the happiest or in the top 3 of happiest kids in the world. So we may spoil them but the results are worth it!
I scrolled through comment section. I'm not Dutch. I'm not native English speaker. However, I was able to get the "metaphoric" sense of your use of the word "spoiled" while some people take it so literally...I'm shocked :D
From 2008 to 2012 was the happiest country for children. A great deal of dutch mentality is good but taking that independence into adulthood you notice their naive attitude but they compensate that with lot of international travelling and expanding their real life experience.
I have something to add. Walking to school kids will gather in groups and one parent will walk or ride all kids to school and back or older kids will have the responsibility to make sure the little ones get save to school. Depending how dangerous the route is. This was already the case when I was a kid (55 now) and it still is true. Next thing is school books. Dutch kids do not carry heavy books. The books are split up in parts and made as light as possible to prevent back problems. Third is extra tutoring. Dutch kids will get help if needed or parents are very ambitious but it is not a rule to have a extra lessons like in some countries I know kids spend most of their "free" time on extra lessons and have no time to play.
Sorry Jovie;: the word "spoiled" has a negative connotation in Europe. It is just our way of living. I'm from Belgium and many +18 years (from the Netherlands) come to Belgium for the Universities. Just becaus most of Belgian Universities are better and cheaper then in the Netherlands.
The things you say do NOT fall under the flag of "Spoiled"! But under a Human Way of Living between different Countries.
It's the European way of living!
I'm an Architect and I had the opporutnity to go to the University for Architects in Florence, practically for free for a complete year (Erasmus Project).
So, PLEASE, do NOT connotate the word "spoiled" so frequently, because for Europeans the word spoiled means something completely else, mostly in a negative way.
When I visit a Superstore in the High streets of London and hear a Russian kid ask for a cellphone with diamonds: He probably get is from it's parents: that means spoiled for Europeans.
All the rest is just our way of Living.
You're completely wrong in this video.
I've seen most of them: but this is over the edge. Sorry.
I'm teaching Syrian and Iraqi fugitives in the same classes as Belgian or Stundents from the Netherlands, everyone is treated in the same way!
I'm sorry to say, but this is your first video that makes me Mad and Sad (the sad thing is for you Americans who could not work the system we use).
You Americans should take a more closer look to Europe instead of comparing different Continents.
Kind Regards,
Peter.
Goed gezegd...voor het eerst vind ik een video van haar👎ze is niet goed haha
She knows what the word spoilt means, and has explained multiple times under the comments that they used it purposely to get the people to watch the video. I think it is also obvious from the way Jovie says the word spoilt with a smile when talking about how things are great for kids in NL.
YOU have the best opening to your videos! EVER 😋🥳🤩
For some reason or other, Dutch parents have always been indulgent with their children. It's something that Europeans, e.g. the English, have already commented on in their traveling journals during the sixteenth century!
So it's kind of a national character trait. However it doesn't seem like it has really destroyed us as a nation!
And yes our children are rather privileged, compared to other countries
Privileged is a Nice word to give it indeed. I dont like the word spoiled, to me it gives a negative vibe… And yes the video is very positive so Thank you for showing the world how privileged our children are..
That's so interesting how far back that goes, thanks for sharing and watching our video!
Jovie. I just want you to know something about the high school system. I agree on that system helping kids to study at their own level, but for me personally it was horrible. I unfortunately had to study at one of the lowest levels. Which leeded to bullying. Many people believed that I was dumb, because of the fact that I studied at a lower level. Parents often try to get their kids to study at a higher level and I know many kids struggle with this.
I'm so sorry that the system didn't work for you. Thank you for sharing your perspective. It's so important to learn from each other's stories and experiences.
2:06 What I've been accused of being.
13:33 I don't remember seeing that, and I was born here!
You know, even in "Eastern European" countries kids are independent and can play outside. There is no war or violence going on in this region. I'm from Czechia and kids starting from grade 2 usually go by themselves to school by public transport and play outside without parents... Several "Eastern European" countries have even lower crime rate than Netherlands (Czechia, Slovenia, Estonia, Croatia, Georgia)... Sometimes I feel like people from western countries picture the East of Europe as full of ghettos, slums or something...
Well... I can not say you are wrong.. There are many countries (south-)east of The netherlands that provide actually a good quality life to their children. I love most of the life in Poland, Hungary, Czechia, Slovenia, The Baltics etc. etc. Some countries have an important part of the population that is a bit homophobic and xenophobic and sometimes pretty conservative (but not every one!! ) ... But an important reason is that from some of these countries many people move to The Netherlands and that makes the Dutch think their home country must be horrible to live in... I have travelled them all intensively and have good friends in several of these "Eastern European countries" so I know there are good things to be enjoyed there :-)
I grew up during the cold war, and I think some of the imagery and propaganda from that era still lingers in my subconscious, even though I know rationally that it's nonsense. However, visiting several of these countries over the years since 1990 has changed my perception of them significantly.
I don't quite understand why you are getting upset on the behalf of eastern Europe, when most of the countries you listed are not giving their children all of the benefits NL does. Yes, maybe crime rate is lower and they have free healthcare, but what kind of quality of healthcare and support for the low income parents do they get? Next to none.... Also, Jovie did not talk about other countries, only NL, so I don't understand the comment. Also I believe there is quite a bit of difference between different Eastern European countries, just like there is difference between, for example, France and Sweden.
Well, in the US, for kids to get together, the parents have to make "play-dates." Also, there really are a lot of dangers for kids in the US.
Heey Jovi, good morning to you. Interesting and the competition is exactly what I am missing. The kids here are absolutely not under any pressure and when they meet with the reality of business life, they are shocked that if they deliver just mediocre performance nobody is going to be amused. Playing outside without parental supervision is normal even in other countries in Europe, not only here. It's goes down to parents what they want. Yup, when I have moved here I have said that the Netherlands is more socialistic country then they think there are. But kids payment is or health care, again you have in the most European countries for free. That is Europe. Baby proof, here we will differ. Children have to learn and you learn from experience and that hurts. What you have mentioned is not what I personally perceive as spoiled but more fact of being born in rich country and not realising the consequences. What I am missing here is proper discipline of children and use of common sense. I am missing education of good manners. Here in general nobody knows who says hallo first. Who offers the hand firs for a handshake. Who enters the building first or who go upstairs first in sense of order. I miss overall responsibility...if I make a mess I have to clean up. Not really the case. They count on someone else to do it for them. So I think they are spoiled but in different way. Have a lovely day.
It's great to are you smile.
Thank you for sharing your thoughts and for the support!
As a dutch mother , i am wondering why all other countrys dont give there kids a change Of making it on there own. They can't help there parents mistakes and why should a child Carry that. Thats why we have help to give our kids a fighting change of there own and A change of a healty live with thing they need. Why do other countrys dont have a system like that i dont get at all. They are our futures not our past mistakes.thanks i really do like you and the way of sharing positive things about our country , habbits and rules and all. Great keep it up.
Children can bike safe here because the biking lanes are great but most important: Every cardriver is a biker as well.
Hi Jovie I never cared much for the word 'doei' but I love the way you say it!
We should give our children more perspective on how it can be outside the Netherlands or the west of Europe. I am often ashamed when I see Dutch children abroad. As a new mother I take this with me and hope to show my daughter how lucky she is.
Thank you Jovie!
Before the 1990s really, in the US too kids were given a lot more independence and freedom. As kids in the 1970s, we used to ride our bikes all over our big suburb, including to school and across town to the library. That sort of thing changed a lot starting in the 1990s to parents scheduling everything as "play dates" for their kids, always with adult supervision. It's gotten so bad that, not only do you almost never see kids in the US playing outside (and when you do, they're not usually running and playing but instead engrossed in their cell phones), but you also hear of people calling the police on parents whose kids are seen outside unsupervised. The claim is always that it's due to it being too dangerous to allow kids to roam and play on their own without adult supervision, but I'm not really sure if that stands up to scrutiny. Also, there was more help for low-income people, including children, in the US before the 1980s, when the practice of cutting back on social services and education began to become the norm. As you note, it really does make a difference in kids' lives to have that sort of equality.
Yeah, I grew up running around, too. No problem. The US is sinking into a weird dystopia where everyone in my home town now carries a gun.
1. aint true here in the Netherlands there is alot of violence under the youth, with knifes etc. and clean depends on where you live.
2. the school system is "fine" however it is made as global as possible it is 98% learning by reading and memorizing. while it is very important to learn by doing things
3. in the villages this is true, but in the cities it aint the same. and the kids play inside alot, tablets, phones, pc's etc.
4. there are alot of things where families with a low income rate get support with, however this won't make the kids spoiled, they have to live in a gross environment with violence and crime nearby.
5. this is true and its a good thing, because of this the possibilty of having kids is alot better for parents with an avarage to low income
6. this is sort of true, because of the healthcare system we have in the Netherlands you have to pay alot less and for children the healthcare is "with" the parents.
7. the Netherlands is build about commerce in mind, not the families, the bills you pay for to the government won't go really to thing for families. And playgrounds in restaurants isn't a thing to be spoiled about because you pay the price for it indirectly
8. that things are baby proofed is just well done by the park owners and has nothing to do with the Netherlands.
The thing is with alot of points, is that we are a flat country so you can ride a bike easily and farely safely. the villages can be build farely safe etc.
I don't wanted to have critisism I just wanted to point out that it is not really true :)
Great video!!!! Could you share a name for the park?
Niet alleen mijn zoon en nu dan mijn kleindochter zijn welkom, mij hond gelukkig ook.