Sophie came to Ireland as a Teenager to learn English. She returned to Ireland for peace and quiet and we are ashamed Sophie died here. RIP, RIG. Condolences to her family. Praying for justice.
It's not the Irish people's fault. We love Ireland here in France. And it's still one of the safest countries in the world and one of the most magical places I have ever had the pleasure of visiting.
They admit they sent the gate with its thumbprint in blood to the DUMP. The detectives tested Ian and Sophie the fingerprint didn't match either. The detectives admit they had his long black coat tested it,and found no blood on it
I’m literaly watching the documentary on Netflix right, thinking, “I wish Dr Grande would cover this”, then the notification for the video pops up lol.
Very interesting for a French 🇫🇷citizen like me living in Ireland 🇮🇪 to have an American point of view. This case has been in the news in the two countries since 1996, there is so much to that story it is never ending.
The sad reality is that Ian Bailey is likely guilty but won't ever be convicted. The Irish police messed up the investigation but the French convicting in absentia was a farce
As a native New Yorker who travels often, I never understood people who would say to me, "oh, we don't need to lock our doors here". Then they'd give each other the side eye that makes me feel like a paranoid New Yorker. When all it takes is one unhinged person and the right opportunity why tempt fate? Another interesting video Dr. Grande.
I understand your reasoning, but I also sympathize with the locals as well. When growing up in rural small town (pop. 300 at that time) Kentucky in the '50's & '60's, no one locked their doors. Sadly, times in our parts have changed.
My mother lives in a small town and I've tried for years to make her lock her doors. She does it only when I visit... sigh. I live in a big city and I'm even locking my doors when I'm going to my car across the street. Better safe than sorry.
Hi Bucket Head! You know, I'm listening to Latin music in the other comment section, while waiting for our dance! I got castanets and maracas....muy calienté! 🤗😆
@@LDiamondz Arriba! Arriba! ¡Bailemos toda la noche! My dad is 90, and hispanic. We go dancing often. He tells me " ¡Te mueves como una serpiente!" (Eeeho! You move like a snake!) Haha! Lovvvve you, 💎
I like your PSA at the end of the video. So MANY MANY innocent people have been murdered who wouldn't have been if not for unlocked or very weak doors (or open windows). Richard Ramirez is a good reminder about that one. I wish more people were aware of how VERY easily most doors are kicked in (I had to kick my own front door in once, after having lost my key, and even though I knew it could be done, I was really shocked by how easily it was done). Door strength can be significantly improved at low expense. I encourage people to look into this DELUSION we have about the safety of our doors, in particular.
Yes, I locked myself out once, and was able to pop my "metal security door' open with a stick that I found in my yard. The whole process took me three minutes. It was very disillusioning!
We grew up always locking the doors, and the windows, closing the curtains at night, etc. We always had very strong doors, too. My mom and her sisters caught a man who had climbed in their bedroom window when she was 15. That really put a scare into her. I still do all that. Better to be safe, then sorry.
"Murder at the cottage', an excellent series about this case done by Sky, shows a slightly different angle and persuaded me that it was not Ian Bailey. It's amazing how a different slant in a documentary can point to a different scenario. These things should be documented in their totality, and not make us arm chair judge and jurors.
Exactly. The DPP didn't have the evidence to convict, it's annoying that people think this is because our legal system is crap when it's probable that the opposite is true! There's a lot about this case
@@mickfromleitrim I totally agree. The french court didn’t even allow a defence, they only heard the prosecutions evidence. It was not at all fair. The french also allow hearsay in their courts which shouldn’t be allowed as they cannot cross examine that witness. The Irish court was 100 % correct considering the evidence that was available. Dr Grande has not seen all the nuances of this case, only judged it by watching a documentary and the flawed French conviction.
Sheridan is a gullible fool and got completely manipulated by Bailey. He makes a big deal of the fact that the Guards "found Bailey's coat". If Sheridan had taken the time to watch his own documentary, he would realise that Bailey had two coats. One was found, the other was burned. Almost none of the evidence against Bailey was mentioned in the documentary. Instead, Sheridan let both Bailey and professional fantasist Marie Farrell repeat the same old lies that were long ago torn to shreds in court. Luckily, we still have the evidence that came out in the Irish court cases, so it's in the public domain and easily checkable. I have some of it here. I've posted it before, but here it is again. You may not find it convincing - but at least you'll have the facts that neither Bailey nor Sheridan feel like sharing with you. Summary: Bailey became a suspect because his account of his movements around the time of the murder is directly contradicted by the statements of 25+ independent witnesses. His claim not to have known Sophie is contradicted by Sophie's own personal travel diary - and by at least 5 witnesses. And that's really all there is to it. To believe Bailey's narrative, you MUST believe that all the witnesses are hardcore, determined liars - and you have no choice in this, because it's a black and white thing. You must also believe that Sophie planted evidence in her diary and then planted the same evidence in Bailey's head by telekinesis - all many months before her own murder. That's it in a nutshell. If you want more details as to why Bailey became the suspect, here they are: - Bailey knew who had been killed and where it had occurred, well before this information was known to anyone outside the police. He somehow had an extraordinarily detailed level of information about every aspect of the crime. He has failed to explain this in court. - he confessed to at least six different people that he had done it. The witnesses were convinced that it was not a joke. They voluntarily went to the police - not to report that Bailey was being sarcastic - but to report that he had admitted to the murder. The witnesses never changed or withdrew their statements. - he was one of the very few people who knew how to get to Sophie's house - it was completely unknown before the time of the murder, completely remote, and very hard to get to. Bailey was in the habit of dropping up there at all hours of the day and night (he was friendly with Sophie's neighbour, Alfie Lyons). He usually dropped in after the pubs closed. Bailey said in court that his plan was to drop in on Alfie that night too. - his initial claim, given just two days after the murder, that he spent the entire evening leading up to the murder all by himself - when in reality he was performing with his bodhrán and reciting poetry to a live audience in a large tavern nearby, accompanied by his partner, Jules. He was eventually forced to admit this (it took him two more tries). - he told different versions of what he did during the night, finally admitting that he did leave the house (to write a newspaper article in a freezing studio 150 yards away, he claimed). There was no reason to be writing that article in the middle of the night. It was only a couple of hundred words and wasn't due for four days. - his claim that he didn't know Sophie. Five witnesses have said he definitely knew her. Alfie Lyons says he introduced them. Leo Bulger says he witnessed that introduction. Others either saw them together - or were told by Bailey himself that he knew Sophie. Update: in his book, Murder at Roaringwater, journalist Nick Foster demonstrates that Bailey had specific knowledge of the intimate contents of Sophie's diary. He could only have got that information from Sophie herself. - the false trails and misleading information Bailey inserted into his own newspaper articles at the time. He has failed to explain this in court - and has instead tried to blame a young, trainee journalist for inserting that misinformation. She insists it all came from him. - Sophie was covered in many scratches from briars in the place she was killed. Six witnesses say Bailey definitely had NO scratches in the hours before the murder (his sleeves were rolled up as he performed the bodhrán). The morning after the murder, Bailey's forearms were covered in fresh scratches up to his elbows. This is not disputed by anyone - not even Bailey. - Bailey and Jules claim they never left their house on the morning of the murder. Three witnesses have insisted that they did. Bill Fuller, who knew them well, actually drove behind Jules' car on the road. Jimmy Camier had a chat with Jules in Goleen (she told him about the murder hours before the story was made public). The other witness is Frenella, Jules' own daughter, who was living in the house at the time. She insists that Bailey and Jules left the house in the morning. She has refused to change her statement in 25 years despite constant pressure from her mother to do so. - Bailey's outrageously suspicious behaviour at the time of the crime and ever since. It would take a book to list all the incidents. Here are a few: - he (magically) turned up at the scene of the crime claiming to be a "news reporter" and yet didn't ask the police a single question - and didn't attend even a single police press briefing. But he was still incredibly well informed on all aspects of the crime. - he tricked his way onto the crime scene several days later, knowing full well that the scene was off-limits and having been previously refused access. - Disposal of evidence. He bought bleach in the local Co-op the day after the body was found. The staff, who could see that Bailey was stressed and agitated, asked him if he was alright. "I will be in about an hour," he said. They understood that this was something to do with the bleach. Later that day, Arianna Boarina, a guest at Bailey's house, saw dark clothes being soaked in the bathroom. Two days later, a neighbour saw Bailey had a bonfire going. Coat buttons were later found in the ashes. All of this is strongly suggestive of Bailey getting rid of evidence of blood on his clothes. One of his coats was never found - presumed burnt in the bonfire. - Bailey's refusal to share the Police Case File with us. It contains the 670 pieces of evidence against him and he has acquired the file by law. He claims it contains "no evidence" but he won't let us see what's in it so we can judge for ourselves. Journalist Nick Foster has twice challenged Bailey to a live debate on TV about its contents, promising to give 1000 euros to a charity for battered women if he agrees. Again, Bailey has refused. There is a lot more. But there's probably enough there for people to decide if Bailey deserves to be the suspect or not. Most of the above is in the public domain as it came out in the court cases. All of it is easily checkable. So why didn't Sheridan mention it?
@@mickfromleitrim totally agree. There's so many innocent people wrongly convicted in other countries. That is what DPP was trying to avoid. What happened to IB could be me or you. I'm glad that they need more evidence. You can't go accusing people just because they are weird or different. You need concrete evidence I wouldn't like to be locked up on the basis people think I'm weird and have a dark sense of humour
Like a lot of things in this case rumours are taken as facts. No the gate was not lost, it was held for 6 years until it was deemed "of no further use" and was offered back to the family who did not want it so it was destroyed....well thats the current story anyway
@@BlueDemon77 mostly sadness for Sophie and her family never getting closure. That and disbelief that (albeit in the 90s) the police could be so incompetent to mess the investigation up
@@Lemonbonbon I find "most" people are idiots when it comes to critical thought. They would fit right in at a medieval witch trial. Perhaps these "most" should join the Gardai.
@@Lemonbonbon No! I am from West Cork and the opinion here is that Bailey didn’t do it. It’s outsiders with nothing bettter to do coming up with that shit.
Ireland is a dark place. (i don't mean to offend....or preach to the converted....but...) I know people who've left and never looked back. They described the experience as "escaping from under a dark cloud" And then o' course all the people, like my grandfather who escaped the potato famine The Englishman made catastrophe. One of the saddest stories I've ever heard about Ireland?: The Magdalene Laundries. Ooooh DARK indeed! Slavery, pits full of the remains of "illegitimate" babies, vicious abusive nuns, escape by the skin of one's teeth, even in the 2nd half of the 20th century! There's a documentary about The Magdalene Laundries here on CZcams.
@@pamzib4080 you should come visit Ireland! Im born and reared here and I still find fascinating spots like the three castles when I head out on an adventure 😊
3:26, the State Pathologist was not informed of the murder until the afternoon of the 23rd. It was a 7 hour drive so he instructed them to take the body to a local morgue while he set out in the early morning of the 24th. This message was ignored and the body was left in situ
Urban legend im afraid! His actual quote was "Them Irish gets off their tits quare handy on the sniff" If you read 'Freud', a life full of bangers' by Gay Byrne you'll see where he got his knowledge of Celtic debauchery from👍
@@pauliewalsh6875 Up to St Dominick's to take LSD on the sight of Airmount Maternity Hospital to call upon the God of Mount Sion to reopen the portal from whence the greatest generations of Waterford Men came!!!
Greetings from Ireland Dr Grande, your new audio and visual equipment is looking and sounding very professionl, BTW as is the shirt. I agree with you a professional hitman normally wouldnt use a cement block to kill a victim.
surely not the shirt. as a "professional" you always wear a white t-shirt under a shirt, unless of course, the shirt is up to your neck and no skin is visible.
I'm from Ireland and I can tell you, the thing about a small town like that is that everybody talks and you can find out everything that's going on if you ask around. The fact that he 'knew things he should not have' to me simply means that word had leaked from locals and the small town police at the crime scene and most of the village knew most about what had gone on from an early point. In addition, it was later found after examining police phone recordings relating to the investigation, that the police had intentionally leaked classified info about the case to locals. Also, nobody seems to find it unsettling that another man's DNA (not Bailey) was found at the crime scene AND the only witness in the area that night (Marie Farrell) subsequently recanted her statement and now says that Bailey was NOT the man she saw, saying the police originally blackmailed her to say so. On top of that, Bailey is a writer. When I have writing deadlines impending, spending the night trying to catch up is certainly not uncommon. In reality, the only possible 'evidence' connecting him to the crime is the fact that he left the bed that night. I am not including the 'confessions' as to label them so (one when he was drunk and the other from a young schoolboy) is just silly. So not sure how Grande comes to this conclusion TBH. Here's what I think happened. The guy is English in an area where English people tend not to be liked by a certain percentage of the Irish population. Certainly, somebody like that is an easy scapegoat. The cops zeroed in on him tunnel vision style from the get go and did not follow up ANY OTHER lines of enquiry. They tried their best to make whatever evidence they had fit, including blackmailing an innocent woman to say that it was Bailey she had seen when she had initially told them many times it was not. This man is probably the killer...the man who's DNA was the only other one found at the crime scene, aside from Sophie herself. You can thank the local police for letting this guy get off scot free. Perhaps they were under pressure to get a suspect as they had made a mess of the crime scene and allowed it to be unacceptably contaminated before forensics arrived? A subsequent examination of around 275 police phone recordings relating to the case revealed that in addition to leaking classified info, the police were openly heard discussing the idea of falsifying evidence to incriminate Bailey. Although there is no evidence that they actually did so, it certainly gives you an idea of where their heads were at and also ties in with Marie Farrell's account of them unduly pressuring/threatening her to ID Bailey. Bailey is currently petitioning the Irish government to get the case reexamined as he is sure that this will absolutely clear his name and show that he could not have done it. IMHO, these are not the actions of a guilty man.
@@carpe1959 No, in the phone calls she initially gave a description of a man around 5 foot 8 inches (Bailey is well over 6 foot), wearing a long black coat. It was only after being brought into the police station and being questioned for some time that she ID'd him as Bailey. This is a matter of public record so get your facts straight.
@@whoswhoo After Marie Farrell retracted her testimony, there is ZERO evidence connecting Bailey to the murder. Hopefully with more modern DNA techniques they will be able to extract some new evidence from the crime scene or her house.
Actually he was living in a quiet little resort community where the average person was not born and bred there. You try to offer perspective, but you make unsubstantiated claims that are not believable.
Sky Crime have a 5 part documentary called "Murder at the Cottage", last episode tonight at 11pm GMT. I enjoyed the Netflix doc. looking forward to the Sky Crime one. Very hard to know with this case, all circumstantial evidence. One wonders how a gate can go missing from an Evidence Vault!
Here's an example of a Guard telling me a barefaced lie. I drove a taxi in Dublin years ago. One night I stopped at the traffic lights on Swords Main ST. A young cop knocked on my window and said " You just broke the lights " ! First, I didn't take him seriously. I had stopped before the white line back from the lights. He persisted in accusing me. I argued with him. Then he pointed to a bit of a white line out in the middle of the road and another bit beside the footpath.95% of the original stop line had been worn away by traffic. Meanwhile, another Guard approached from the other side of the road,overheard the argument between me and his colleague and then uttered the most barefaced lie I've ever heard or experienced. " Yeah ! he said. " I saw you stop in the middle of the junction and reverse back to where you are now" ! I was dumbfounded by his absolute barefaced lying that I was stuck for words. Out of the depths of his lurid mind and megalomania this guy invented a ridiculous and absurd scenario.
Now I have something to look forward to watching this weekend. Does anyone else wish Dr Grande had another channel devoted to movie and tv show reviews?
This shirt has a “brainy “ quality to it.It’s my favorite new shirt! Oh no, wait-I can’t choose! Ok, it’s my almost favorite new shirt 👕! ( edited cause I forgot to mention the tiny lamp is back)!
Yeah, I've never understood the whole "No one locks their doors" thing. Why not? Even if you don't expect anything to happen, what's the downside of locking your door? It takes a second and in the rare event that you are targeted, can be the difference between life and death.
@@JustDr.S Yeah and who on earth would sleep at window height without a curtain? I know it was isolated up there but not that isolated, there were a few neighbours who used the road.
@@peejthompson I think that's the point, she felt safe, as did the other members of the community. It's very different to live in a place that has not known a murder in living memory or any seriously violent crime for that matter. I shudder at the thought of not having a curtain on my window and other people possibly seeing me but warnings about possible danger were part of the discourse where I grew up from day one. Unfortunately, the illusion of safety is only real until it isn't. :( Such a sad case.
Great analysis Dr Grande, I was convinced of his guilt after watching the doc. My uncle lives in the same village as Bailey, so I asked him his opinion, here's what he told me: "As to Ian Bailey you could not have found a better orator. We lived quite near to him. Before the murder I knew him quite well. He used to play the drum in a place called "The Tin Pub". He was probably the worst drummer ever to be born & its appalling sounds were exceeded in horror only by his self written poetry which he would recite to all who would listen. He was also prone to strip off on the common every full moon & dance to his own drumming & poetry. I never really liked the guy but he was great entertainment value. I really do not know if he killed Sophie TDP. What I do know is the police lied to frame him for the murder (an ideal target!) & never sought anyone else for the crime. There was tension between her & her, French resident, film director, husband which was never really examined. There has never been enough evidence to convict (or deport him to France) just "we know he did it'' type noises. (except in France where he was tried in his absence & with no lawyer & no defence evidence, and of course found guilty... I take the view that innocent until proven guilty is real so I still stop and talk to him when I meet him in Bantry & have been to one of his lectures (he took a law degree) which had the theme that Irish law & policing over the past fifty years had oppressed the poor & kept the rich safer. A good presentation."
"I was convinced of his guilt after watching the doc." Not surprising since it was heavily biased against Bailey, leaving out a lot of facts that supported his potential innocence. Probably because one of the producers was none other than *Sophie's cousin* ! The Jim Sheridan one on Sky gives an alternative view, but more importantly it shows actual dated documents for context. Of course if you read the Irish 2001 DPP report it savages the police investigation and reveals why they did not even charge him on four occasions. Your Uncle may be correct in his assessment of guilt vs. innocence.
I listened to a podcast today Crime Analyst analyzing this case. A fact she shared about Marie "Fiona" is she reported 17 acts of harassment on the part of Ian Bailey after she went to the Gardi. 17! Therefore it is possible that she changed her story because she was afraid of Ian Bailey and felt the Gardi were not proactively protecting her. Because if they had taken her complaints seriously Ian Bailey should have been arrested for intimidating a witness. It's a line of inquiry that needs to be followed up on.
Marie Farrell wanted to testify at the French trial that she had lied about seeing Bailey. She has repeatedly stated that it was not him she saw. She has nothing to fear, she doesn't live there anymore. If you read her very first statement, the man she saw was very much shorter than Bailey and of a different build. It was only after police told her that he was their suspect that her description changed to being a man much taller. She has since identified the man she saw as being known to Sophie's husband and police have/are interviewing him. The man's build matched that given by a barman too. There is also updates on the cold case, such as this from the December 2022 news: "Gardai are looking at a number of possible new suspects over the murder of Sophie Toscan du Plantier. One is a French speaking individual who was spotted in a Kerry pub the night after her murder with marks and scratches on his face. A suspicious barman at the time in Cahirciveen reported him to the local Gardai and he was questioned before being eventually let go. It later emerged that this person was the spitting image of an individual who was spotted by shopkeeper Marie Farrell following Sophie, 38, around Schull village, west Cork, in the afternoon before she was killed on the night of December 23, 1996. The man speaks fluent French but is from another European country. He also used a rented car which had false number plates. Gardai have the name of the man following Sophie and an address for him in France. But it is also understood Gardai are also pursuing a connection between the tragic filmmaker and two other French men who lived in West Cork, although the men themselves are not suspects. The pair were hiding out in the isolated rural area after receiving death threats from a French criminal gang. It is understood that Sophie had met the men while she was in Ireland and Gardai are investigating whether she was targeted because of her friendship with them."
I'm halfway through the documentary so will watch this tomorrow...so tempting to watch now but very much looking forward to it, thanks so much Dr Grande. Another tragic, horrific case. Bless Sophie and her loved ones.
What I recall from "Sophie" on Netflix is that Sophie was unaware of the superstition surrounding seeing the woman in white, nor was the person she told it to; otherwise, it might have served as a warning to be more cautious. As for Ian Bailey, I believe he is as guilty as a person can be. How convenient for him that a turkey supposedly scratched his head and a tree scratched his arms on the same day that Sophie was murdered amongst briars. Yeah, right. He's a creep.
@Moby Pancake Ian Bailey is a violent man and lost control in his encounter with Sophie. I'm not going to rehash all the evidence here or the lack of procedure by the Irish police. Bailey was tried in absentia by the French where as much evidence as possible was presented, and he was found guilty. I don't believe some mysterious person appeared, murdered Sophie, and then disappeared. Bailey can claim he was being "ironic" when he said he killed Sophie; sounds to me like he was simply poking the bear.
the simplest explanation is the truth usually. He fits the profile, he wasn't home, it's very secluded area and middle of the night and nobody else in this town fits the killer profile. Nobody would do chance killing in the middle of nowhere. Hitman wouldn't kill her with a brick.
@@joannawinters6592 Plus his history of domestic violence, including beating Jules so severely that she ended up in the hospital. But as he put it, he "behaved badly." The man is all ego and no conscience.
Iosing a gate was the smallest f***up the police did. They took hair from Ian Baliey and found that the DNA found on her DID NOT match Ian... and they still went to trail, and LOST... I wonder why
The incompetence of the local investigators is astounding. They didn't get the local doctor to take her temperature which would have enabled the Pathologist to then give an estimation for time of death. She could have been murdered anywhere between midnight and 10am. That ten hours timeframe means the murderer could be anybody in the whole of Ireland or even from abroad!
Amazing work! It's frightening knowing that this crime was so close to home, although our island maybe beautiful. However it's got it's darker side too. This ghost that was seen was probably a Banshee, something still very feared in Ireland as a part of our faith here. God bless from Ireland.
My husband has commented on occasion that he has seen a Banshee. I suspect he might be more intensely frightened on a more mundane plane. God bless back.
@@sherryd.3425 Very interesting. What's more strange is that Banshees appear when death is near and she will cry out, weeping in sorrow for the death to come. Then this horrible crime takes place shortly after, not saying that this is proof of a Banshee but I'm the same too, absolutely terrified of Banshees and the Faerie trees, never touch one. This why I love Dr Grande, he mentions all the fine details and even to mention the ghost was a perfect touch. God bless you.
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Wow, I dont believe it. I was just earlier watching your video on Mark Winger case and you were discussing your sponsor for the video which was audible and you were saying about how you keep up to date with case's. I genuinely thought of Sophie toscan du Plantier case and how you should analyse it. It is on Netflix now and I am Irish, I was 17 when it happened and it never left me. I was going to leave a comment to you to look it up but as always Dr Todd Grande your a head of the game, no hassle.
Sorry I'm late doc, my lepracaun just wouldn't settle, Ian killed Sophie, then because he's a "journalist" had the gaul to report on the murder he committed. The slippery snake has not received punishment. Rip Sophie, so sad this happened to you, in your safe place. ❤️🙏💐🇮🇪✌️
Well, Ian Bailey's Hubris is undeterred and he is currently asking for the case to be reopened, so I hope he is forced to explain how he knew the body of the dead foreign woman was his french neighbour sophie before it was even on the news that the woman was french, never mind that it was sophie toscan du plantier. I hope he is made to explain why if he never met Sophie, she had told a couple of her french friends that an Eoin Bailey was trying to corner her to read out his terrible poetry. I hope he is asked to explain why he had a fire shortly after her murder, I hope he's asked to explain why he considers himself a master of the English language but yet went to pieces (verbally) when trying to describe how the turkey scraped him. So many lies that a GOOD interrogator should find easy to corner him with.
Exactly. The most suspicious thing is that he has told so many demonstrable lies. The police really dropped the ball on this, I mean losing a *gate*?? Really? I wish there was reliable DNA-evidence bc based on all the corcumstantial ones, it's very difficult to believe he didn't do it.
I farm bits and pieces out to the guys who are much more brilliant than I am. I say, "build me a laser", this. "Design me a molecular analyzer", that. They do, and I just stick 'em together. But, none of them know what the project really is. So...
Indeed. It's an unsolved murder, so the Gardai and the director of public prosecutions could easily reopen the case. And a lot of evidence has emerged since then, so they would in all likelihood be able to build a solid case.
@@girlwhomustnotbenamed4139 The gate was tested for forensics and DNA. There was no DNA found other than Sophie. There was an unknown fingerprint found. It belonged to neither Sophie nor Bailey. This "documentary" left out an awful lot. It was very biased. The case is a lot more complicated in reality than was shown. Netflix documentaries shouldn't be relied upon. They also left out that the Gardai did get a long black coat from Bailey. It was tested and there was no forensic evidence found. There's a record of the coat being taken into the possession of the Gardai in the Garda case file. Again this wasn't mentioned at all. They tested the briars and found trace amounts of DNA, but not enough to be of any use. You can't rely on hearsay to convict people. There was no physical evidence linking Bailey to the murder. Bailey is clearly a lowlife, but that doesn't make him a murderer. There was also an audio recording of a phone call where it seems like the Gardai wanted to bribe a person to give testimony against Bailey. None of this was mentioned.
Love the shirt. You're the Man, Man. Always enjoyable listening to your analysis and opinions. Most of the people I've never heard of. Sorry everyone has died. Thank you. Peace
Actually saw a one hour Irish Crime documentary on this case RIGHT BEFORE this. I don't think they mentioned Bailey and his wife divorced, not sure when it was made b.c. I don't think the French trial had happened yet. And the wife made the physical assaults sound like almost nothing. The beatings were passed off b.c. he was under stress, drinking to excess and taking painkillers and he .....hasnt done it since. No mention of reconstructive surgery AND a FIRM statement that she would not be still with him if she thought he was a murderer.... she has children to think of. No wonder I like watching different versions of the same crime.
Sounds fascinating! Doctor, I would like to suggest a Brit celebrity. The mental health and social factors that might be at work in the life and early death of Caroline L. Flack, a TV presenter in GB. Having said, I'm now going to listen to your newest topic and wish everyone a good time. 🙂
I was in psych hospital due to my Bipolar when she died and it was such sad and shocking news. Whatever the facts were about why she was arrested the scummy British press yet again behaved aborhently
Odd? Being inept is way better than being corrupt?! Okay. But then again, it is their job to be, *"not inept?"* If that's their best defense - civilians need to rethink their personal safety issues, before the police gets there! Liked very much: "It only takes *one person* in an *otherwise safe community* to make it dangerous."
Sophie's body was discovered by Alfie Lyons' wife. Alfie Lyons knew Bailey & knew he was a journalist. Bailey would've known about the murder/discovery of the body well before most Garda (Irish police force). You also say in your theory Bailey walked to to Sophie's house. That's a long walk for a man that had been drinking alcohol. If he was spotted on Kilfeada Bridge at 3am (as per Marie Farrell) he was up & about doing a whole pile of speed walking during the middle of the night whilst drunk. Plus was up early the following morning driving around the locality reporting on the murder. I'm not saying he did or didn't do it but there is something seriously off with the timelines / supposed eye witness testimony unless he is an olympic standard athlete in the dark when he has consumed alcohol.
Yes crazy people do crazy things, but waking up at 2.30am to walk miles in the freezing cold and pitch darkness to knock on her door at 3am doesn't sound plausible. Of course Marie Farrell has recanted and said it was not Bailey she saw, meaning that there is actually nothing to place him near the scene that night other than having no alibi. Well there will be plenty of other people without alibis too!
Great stuff....just got my PJ's on and poured myself a brandy so time to put my feet up and enjoy another gift from Dr Grande.......I like to live life on the edge, as you can tell.
He did it imo. For simply two reasons. First, he and his wife knew about the murder and the identity of the victim before it was announced. Second, he confessed to FOUR people about it! You don’t just talk about killing someone in detail ESPECIALLY when you have already been arrested as a suspect. The dark humor excuse is pathetic, he probably just couldn’t keep it inside cuz of how much he loves attention. Finally, all throughout the documentary I dismissed everything as a coincidence, but the fact that he has a VERY violent history towards women makes it even more clear to me that he did it. I’m really sorry for Sophie’s family that the Irish justice system decided to just leave this man walking around like he did nothing.
Also, I have something to add. The people in West Cork obviously love their community and want to keep it safe. Why would they lie on an innocent man? Even if he was annoying and no one liked him, they still want to feel safe and live without fear. So they want to catch the REAL killer, not makeup lies about a guy they hate. That’s why I personally believe the witnesses. And btw not many people hate someone to the point where they maintain their claims for 20+ years. That’s just a waste of time.
"First, he and his wife knew about the murder and the identity of the victim before it was announced" No they didn't. A witness claimed that, but Jules stated it was the day after the murder, not the day of the murder. "Second, he confessed to FOUR people about it!" The DPP report stated that they were sarcasm in the face of accusations. You may want to read it. When even the *PROSECUTION* say the "confessions" are nonsense, you should be paying attention to them. The prosecutors dismissed the Gardai evidence and did not even charge Bailey.
Eileen UK. I just want to say thank you 🙏DREAM.Grande I am so happy 😁 you are doing this I am only half way through watching this on one of the crime channels then I will come back and watch your analysis l got so excited when I got the notification now I have to go and watch the rest even if it takes all night. Thank you 🙏 again. Love the check shirt 👍
"they didn't leave much out" sweet Jesus, there was a pile of key points left out in this Netflix series, and how can you give a true analysis based on a biased series created for entertainment purposes anyway. To tweak your theory, first Marie Farrell didn't see Bailey at Céal Feada bridge, she saw a man, the guards told her to say it was Bailey. Second, the autopsy showed the contents of the victims stomach, that she had had breakfast and the likely time of the murder was actually the mid morning. Third, the jacket claimed by a visitor in Bailey's house to be evidence to the murder, he wore it several days after the murder in Schull and the guards seized it, cut it into pieces to finely examine it and found nothing. And finally there was blood found in the victims shoe that forensically showed was neither Sophie's or Bailey's clearly indicating someone else was the killer.
None of the real evidence was spoken about. The thumbprint in Sophie's fresh blood on the gate,didn't match Baileys or Sophie's. So had to belong to the killer. At first the gardai said they mislaid the 9 ft long gate but when held to ridicule admit they dumped it. Why.,? Sophie had s clump of hair in her fist, didn't natch Baileys, who's hair? Too many cover ups and threatening Marie Farrell into identifying Bailey the whole case stinks . Local gossip says it was a gardai from the next village,Sophie's lover. All evidence has now been destroyed. Garda, dumped gate with unidentified thumbprint, clump of hair supposedly gone missing, book of evidence missing, witnesses statements all missing. Is it any wonder our D,A , said there wasn't a shred of evidence to try Bailey on,and he refused to hand him over to France. Bailey was violent to his girlfriend, but she admit it was only when both had too much to drink ,and his ex wife said that in many years of marriage, he never once raised his hand to her.
The reason Bailey was convicted in France and not Ireland is simple. Evidence in France is examined by a Prosecuter,eliminating lies,innuendo,hearsay, etc which inevitably arises in cases like this. The French based their case on the complete Garda file and never questioned it which was a major mistake. The Irish prosecuter the DPP questioned the Garda file and never allowed it to go to trial because of the stupidity and lies of vital witnesses. I hope I made that clear.
I am from west cork Ireland, not far from where this happened. Ian had absolutely nothing to do with this woman, Doctor Todd!! Just so you know!! The gards in this country made aright balls of the investigation!!!
I tend to agree, they "lost" a fuckin gate...nothing Marie Farrell says is credible...whether a cover-up or a fuck-up, they are the reason this woman never got justice!
Your work is outstanding, Dr.Grande. I was trying to reach out to you all the way from Ireland to analyze this, but I should have known you would have it covered. Amazing as always.
After watching 'Sophie: A Murder in West Cork' on Netflix I was very interested to find out what Dr Grande has to say about this and what his verdict will be. For me, this case clearly has an additional suspect . This suspect already placed herself near the crime scene after the crime. This person also knew Sophie (most murders are committed by someone who knew the victim). I am thinking about the lady who claimed she saw Ian on the bridge. Is it possible this person also had a motif; jealousy.This was a small community and Sophie was a very attractive young lady. She would stand out because of her good looks. She also lived there alone and was free to invite whoever she wanted as a guest. This is something many paired-up village ladies might have felt particularly unhappy and insecure about. Perhaps a husband of one of the village ladies had a crush on Sophie and the offender(female) decided to remove the 'competition'. An actual as well as perceived infidelity can be a strong motif. The offender might have even had a crush on Ian himself.. As a female, I usually do not notice who men I am not interested in notice (how did the shop assistant notice Ian was observing Sophie:?) I also think that perhaps the woman 'shadow' Sophie had seen when walking alone in the lake area was a female stalking her... As a foreign woman (about Sophie's age) living in the same area of the world, I am quite certain not Sophie would sleep with an open door. I also do not believe she would open the door for a drunk -sounding male in the middle of the night. Or any male really. She would however open the door for a female who needed help...or a female friend whom she knew as coming. Her outfit however does not suggest she was expecting any visit that evening. Neither do the wine glasses which were simply washed and left to dry upside down in the kitchen, near the sink. This only confirms Sophie had more than one wine glass that she used in the days before the murder (just like many of us use multiple glasses and tea cups). I believe this murder was planned and the killer(s) never entered Sophie's house. This is because the inside of the property appeared to be 100% intact when she was found outside. The fact that Sophie's face was mutilated when she was attacked suggests this is the part of Sophie's body, the offender had particularly strong feelings about. My version would be that a female 'friend' turned up at Sophies place on the night of her death...I believe this lady might have not turn up alone but perhaps with a male accomplice. It is likely that, when Sophie was lured out of the house, the door was shut behind her and then she was attacked. When it comes to Ian; I think his histrionic personality traits might have been the reason why he was making the strange 'confessions' to his neighbours (extreme attention seeking behaviour). There seems to be a lot of circumstantial evidence piled up against him. Whereas I do not sympathise with any male who was involved in domestic violence incidents in the past, I am also not 100% sure he is the killer we all wish to see charged.
I’m still a bit confused about the lady who gave false testimony. The police said she gave it freely of her on volition. Did they find out who her male friend was? Was she frightened that it may have been him responsible? It seems the police became convinced of only one line of enquiry and dismissed anything else. This Mr Bailey does appear to be a strange character but that alone isn’t enough to convict him of murder. They really need to find the missing exhibits and test them again if possible…
Very well spotted Maxine, you have your finger on the pulse of this case. The lady, Maria Farrell, was running a shop in the near by town. After Sophies murder police canvased the town and Maria said yes Sophie was in her shop on the day of her murder and a man about 5foot8 wearing a long black coat and a flat top beret was filling sophie. A while later police get an anomalous call from a woman saying she saw a man at 3am near Sophies House wearing a long black with his hand up to his head. She hung up but on another later call she said she was with a man who was not her husband and that man was also married, she claims they are just friends and not having an affair but does not want anyone to find out eitherway. The police track her down and say to her, we know Ian Bailey did it but if you say the man you saw at 3am was Ian then we can put him away and we'll never mention your name and you husband will never find out, so she did just that, the man at 3am became Ian and the 5foit8 guy outside the shop also did. The police also helped Maria get a council house and let her husband off with driving offences. Many years later Maria withdraws her statement and says the police pressured her into say it was Ian on fear of telling her husband. As for the man who Maria was with on the night, she has never publicly said his name and has given varying stories about him from he died to he's not in Ireland anymore.
@@maxinehayes7721 officially no-one knows who he is.... but again Marie Farrell has said she was shown a photo of the guy very recently and confirmed it's the same guy she saw that night....he is meant to be French,, living in Paris and is a friend of Sophies family..... But its Marie Farrell, she has changed her story so much who knows what's true
@@maxinehayes7721 Yes lots in the area know who it was, so do the police. there are no secrets in remote country areas,everyone knows who's having an affair with who
@@MrAJScotty shame they didn’t highlight this man in the documentary, a bit shoddy on their part. They didn’t have to name him, just say it wasn’t Ian that she saw
Americans don’t commonly pronounce French words as one would in France, here in Canada, and in other places- and that’s fine. Dr Grande’s pronunciation otherwise is perfect.
This one was something else, I popped in the court room when the trial was ongoing (I am working for the courts amongst other institutions as an interpreter) and I had never seen a room so packed. There was a woman dressed in not much of a skirt and high boots that was trying to catch Dwyer’s attention… weirdo. Apparently she was told to leave later on.I hope he never gets out on appeal that would a real slap in the face of the Garda’s excellent job.
A cable channel in the States made an extremely cheesy documentary about that case a few years ago. I'm a bit curious as to whether the Americans who were its intended audience could spot the difference between the over-the-top oirish accents of the documentary's actors and the genuine accents of the interviewees.
Love that you did this one. It always pisses me off when the police make such yawing mistakes in cases. If I treated a patient and forgot to set their broken limb, and did not administer the anaesthesia correctly, killing the patient, I would be not only useless at my job but also thrown in prison. Ian Bailey may be guilty, but the police should have been able to collect enough evidence to incriminate him, because by his own actions he was doing a great job of incriminating himself. It is terrible for Sophie and her family and friends but it is no piece of cake for the loved ones and supporters of Bailey. Once again a beautiful setting, a great town but the beauty and peace is unseen by the killer. I love the little red succulent in the black pot, I seem to have missed that one. I wonder if Mike O That chapter will cover this?? (the case not the succulent!)
Although I agree with you that the Garda did a poor job in this case it has to be said that the last murder in Schull before this was over 100 years before. The Garda we not but absolutely should have been trained better in the area of homicide. I’m sure if god forbid another murder were committed it would be handled differently, although that won’t benefit Sophie. May she R.I.P
Alledged fact correction...The Irish police did NOT make the mistake of "losing the gate with blood on it", the gate was used as far as it could be for its evidential value, it was then discarded by the Irish police force because they simply had no further use for it.
The netflix show is limited, the sky crime documentary is better but the podcast "west cork" is by far the best of the 3, its actually the most listened to podcast in the world and highly recommended.
They didnt loose the bloidstained gate,the wine bottle and witness statements. They have now admitted they threw them away.Rather odd behaviour,but they kept the evidence of the local physic,who read the cards,got in touch with Sophie and told her that Ian Baey killed her You couldn't write it as fiction if you tried.
Not lost. The gate was taken down and sent to a lab in Dublin for forensic testing. Held in storage for several years, until it was decided the gate was of no further use for evidence. It was disposed of then.
I agree with your comment concerning the fragile line between life and death. I do and have always locked my doors. Also, you can't know people's minds. It's not worth dying over an unlocked door.
A very bizarre and fascinating case. In many ways it comes across as being blatantly obvious that Ian killed her and done in the way hypothesised in this vid. There's way too many coincidences, information and actions taken by Ian during the night of and days after the murder. He had a viscous temper, drank, and on one occasion beat his partner Jules so badly that she ended up in hospital. If he beat Jules that badly he was just a few harder punches or a bottle grab away from murdering her. If Jules fought back, scratched his face, caused him pain as Sophie did to her attacker, then perhaps Ian might have escalated his attack and killed Jules. So ya, the guy clearly demonstrated he had capacity to be the murderer with that mindset and loss of control while drinking around that time plus he's a big guy. But for me what was also very bewildering based on the documentaries and what adds serious doubt to who the murder is, is how the witnesses chopped and changed their stories or denied them or said that's not what they meant. The shop owner who supposedly witnessed Ian outside the shop then following Sophie as she went home, later changed their story to the person being short man wearing a French beret, trying to paint a very embarrassing image of a stereotypical Frenchman as much as to suggest her French husband sent a "not so inconspicuous" French Assassin... I'm surprised he wasn't also holding a French baguette and sipping a glass wine. The 14 year old boy supposedly made the story up about Ians confession. The prank calling woman who spotted Ian on the way back from her affair "just having a friendly drink a friend who also happened to be a man all evening and into early hours of the morning" lol, that saw Ian washing his coat or boots at the bridge close to Sophies home that night changed her story or something odd. Suppisidly a couple at a part with Ian said Ian confessed the whole thing. Nothing came of it. I also found Sophies close neighbours not hearing anything as odd in light of the fact it was a silent night without wind, a very isolated area away from noise, Sophie lived practically right beside them and this clearly a lengthy and dramatic fight. The attack started at her house, she clearly put up one hell of a fight and ended up down at the gate some distance from the initial attack. Yet these neighbours close by didn't hear what was surely a lot screaming and shouting? The whole thing is just very odd, including the witnesses. The Gardaí were clearly inept and handled the case very badly, that much seems true. Ian clearly showed repeatedly around that time that he had the capacity to murder Sophie based his partners hospitalization and his violent outbursts while drinking and physical size, that much is true. Ian also stupidity admitted that he "went out for a walk" for a couple of hours during the time she was murdered because he couldn't sleep or some bs, that much is true. Ian also had scratches following the murder which he attributed to killing turkeys, so it's true he had scratches which could actually have been from Sophie who's corpse supposedly had dna of someone under her nails from the fight she put up. Also, Ians partner Joules came across as the type of stupid woman that defends a batterer like Ian and strongly defended him saying Ian would be incapable of Sophies murder. I'll assume she dropped charges against Ian for beating her into hospital hence why his sentence was so pitiful and as such Joules actually served to most likely protect Ian during the investigation and support his most likely bs stories about cutting trees and killing turkeys and burning old bits and pieces, all of which was probably a lie.
It wasn't Jules who witnessed him topping the tree, it was her daughter. Another witness gave a statement that he saw him dragging the tree home. He culled the turkeys to sell them. It was Jules herself that had the bonfire, not Bailey. So no, it is not "bs".
Sophie came to Ireland as a Teenager to learn English. She returned to Ireland for peace and quiet and we are ashamed Sophie died here. RIP, RIG. Condolences to her family. Praying for justice.
It's not the Irish people's fault. We love Ireland here in France. And it's still one of the safest countries in the world and one of the most magical places I have ever had the pleasure of visiting.
@juliad368 I go to France, primarily Paris frequently. A fantastic country and people.
They admit they sent the gate with its thumbprint in blood to the DUMP. The detectives tested Ian and Sophie the fingerprint didn't match either. The detectives admit they had his long black coat tested it,and found no blood on it
You would love Ireland Dr Todd. We appreciate dry wit and self deprecation.
👍 He knows this, I think. His ancestors are Irish people. And Italian.
I think Ireland is the most beautiful country in the world. The people are genuine and endearing. 🇮🇪
@@mrs.reluctant4095 Yes, and what a passionate combo that is! Irish and Italian. A lot of loud and proud in those households! ❤
@@JustDr.S ha! Love this comment 😁
@@johnc7385 Thanks, and the holidays are bombastic fun! ❤
I’m literaly watching the documentary on Netflix right, thinking, “I wish Dr Grande would cover this”, then the notification for the video pops up lol.
Saaaaaame!
Oh my gosh! Literally???!!! 😲😐🥴
Watched it last night!
Me toooo 🙋🏼
The Body Language Panel covered Ian Bailey and it's really good.
Very interesting for a French 🇫🇷citizen like me living in Ireland 🇮🇪 to have an American point of view.
This case has been in the news in the two countries since 1996, there is so much to that story it is never ending.
I returned to Ireland from Canada in1996 - very interesting
The sad reality is that Ian Bailey is likely guilty but won't ever be convicted. The Irish police messed up the investigation but the French convicting in absentia was a farce
And now even at Netflix. Never ending.
A very sad story, well known in Ireland.
her being cute and Bougie, and also married into well to Bourgeoisie , this gave her case more prominence that's for sure.
So sad. :(
And around the world, since the AUDIBLE “WEST CORK”.
As a native New Yorker who travels often, I never understood people who would say to me, "oh, we don't need to lock our doors here". Then they'd give each other the side eye that makes me feel like a paranoid New Yorker. When all it takes is one unhinged person and the right opportunity why tempt fate? Another interesting video Dr. Grande.
I understand your reasoning, but I also sympathize with the locals as well. When growing up in rural small town (pop. 300 at that time) Kentucky in the '50's & '60's, no one locked their doors. Sadly, times in our parts have changed.
My mother lives in a small town and I've tried for years to make her lock her doors. She does it only when I visit... sigh. I live in a big city and I'm even locking my doors when I'm going to my car across the street. Better safe than sorry.
Man, you're fast doc. Dropping videos like leaves from a tree.
"The line between life and death is just one person's behavior"
Hi Bucket Head! You know, I'm listening to Latin music in the other comment section, while waiting for our dance! I got castanets and maracas....muy calienté! 🤗😆
@@LDiamondz Arriba! Arriba! ¡Bailemos toda la noche! My dad is 90, and hispanic. We go dancing often. He tells me " ¡Te mueves como una serpiente!" (Eeeho! You move like a snake!) Haha!
Lovvvve you, 💎
I like your PSA at the end of the video. So MANY MANY innocent people have been murdered who wouldn't have been if not for unlocked or very weak doors (or open windows). Richard Ramirez is a good reminder about that one. I wish more people were aware of how VERY easily most doors are kicked in (I had to kick my own front door in once, after having lost my key, and even though I knew it could be done, I was really shocked by how easily it was done). Door strength can be significantly improved at low expense. I encourage people to look into this DELUSION we have about the safety of our doors, in particular.
so terrifying
Yes, I locked myself out once, and was able to pop my "metal security door' open with a stick that I found in my yard. The whole process took me three minutes. It was very disillusioning!
We grew up always locking the doors, and the windows, closing the curtains at night, etc. We always had very strong doors, too. My mom and her sisters caught a man who had climbed in their bedroom window when she was 15. That really put a scare into her. I still do all that. Better to be safe, then sorry.
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@@joycejnn That poor little girl. Hope answers come soon.
Please do the DuPont de Ligonnes family murders and disappearance! Your insight would be most enlightening! Love the videos Dr.!
I absolutely want to see this one. One of the most tragic and weird murders I've heard of. Reminds me a bit of the John List crimes.
What the hell happened in that case?? It's baffling and uttering disturbing !
@@viacarrozza Dupont killed his entire family! Weird case!
What a sad case, Dr. G, it's so sad that Ms. Sophie has never truly gotten justice. I loved your ending message about the drop of poison in the water.
"Murder at the cottage', an excellent series about this case done by Sky, shows a slightly different angle and persuaded me that it was not Ian Bailey. It's amazing how a different slant in a documentary can point to a different scenario. These things should be documented in their totality, and not make us arm chair judge and jurors.
Exactly. The DPP didn't have the evidence to convict, it's annoying that people think this is because our legal system is crap when it's probable that the opposite is true! There's a lot about this case
Cont...... that is not in the public sphere.
@@mickfromleitrim I totally agree. The french court didn’t even allow a defence, they only heard the prosecutions evidence. It was not at all fair. The french also allow hearsay in their courts which shouldn’t be allowed as they cannot cross examine that witness. The Irish court was 100 % correct considering the evidence that was available. Dr Grande has not seen all the nuances of this case, only judged it by watching a documentary and the flawed French conviction.
Sheridan is a gullible fool and got completely manipulated by Bailey. He makes a big deal of the fact that the Guards "found Bailey's coat". If Sheridan had taken the time to watch his own documentary, he would realise that Bailey had two coats. One was found, the other was burned. Almost none of the evidence against Bailey was mentioned in the documentary. Instead, Sheridan let both Bailey and professional fantasist Marie Farrell repeat the same old lies that were long ago torn to shreds in court.
Luckily, we still have the evidence that came out in the Irish court cases, so it's in the public domain and easily checkable. I have some of it here. I've posted it before, but here it is again. You may not find it convincing - but at least you'll have the facts that neither Bailey nor Sheridan feel like sharing with you.
Summary: Bailey became a suspect because his account of his movements around the time of the murder is directly contradicted by the statements of 25+ independent witnesses. His claim not to have known Sophie is contradicted by Sophie's own personal travel diary - and by at least 5 witnesses.
And that's really all there is to it. To believe Bailey's narrative, you MUST believe that all the witnesses are hardcore, determined liars - and you have no choice in this, because it's a black and white thing. You must also believe that Sophie planted evidence in her diary and then planted the same evidence in Bailey's head by telekinesis - all many months before her own murder.
That's it in a nutshell. If you want more details as to why Bailey became the suspect, here they are:
- Bailey knew who had been killed and where it had occurred, well before this information was known to anyone outside the police. He somehow had an extraordinarily detailed level of information about every aspect of the crime. He has failed to explain this in court.
- he confessed to at least six different people that he had done it. The witnesses were convinced that it was not a joke. They voluntarily went to the police - not to report that Bailey was being sarcastic - but to report that he had admitted to the murder. The witnesses never changed or withdrew their statements.
- he was one of the very few people who knew how to get to Sophie's house - it was completely unknown before the time of the murder, completely remote, and very hard to get to. Bailey was in the habit of dropping up there at all hours of the day and night (he was friendly with Sophie's neighbour, Alfie Lyons). He usually dropped in after the pubs closed. Bailey said in court that his plan was to drop in on Alfie that night too.
- his initial claim, given just two days after the murder, that he spent the entire evening leading up to the murder all by himself - when in reality he was performing with his bodhrán and reciting poetry to a live audience in a large tavern nearby, accompanied by his partner, Jules. He was eventually forced to admit this (it took him two more tries).
- he told different versions of what he did during the night, finally admitting that he did leave the house (to write a newspaper article in a freezing studio 150 yards away, he claimed). There was no reason to be writing that article in the middle of the night. It was only a couple of hundred words and wasn't due for four days.
- his claim that he didn't know Sophie. Five witnesses have said he definitely knew her. Alfie Lyons says he introduced them. Leo Bulger says he witnessed that introduction. Others either saw them together - or were told by Bailey himself that he knew Sophie.
Update: in his book, Murder at Roaringwater, journalist Nick Foster demonstrates that Bailey had specific knowledge of the intimate contents of Sophie's diary. He could only have got that information from Sophie herself.
- the false trails and misleading information Bailey inserted into his own newspaper articles at the time. He has failed to explain this in court - and has instead tried to blame a young, trainee journalist for inserting that misinformation. She insists it all came from him.
- Sophie was covered in many scratches from briars in the place she was killed. Six witnesses say Bailey definitely had NO scratches in the hours before the murder (his sleeves were rolled up as he performed the bodhrán). The morning after the murder, Bailey's forearms were covered in fresh scratches up to his elbows. This is not disputed by anyone - not even Bailey.
- Bailey and Jules claim they never left their house on the morning of the murder. Three witnesses have insisted that they did. Bill Fuller, who knew them well, actually drove behind Jules' car on the road. Jimmy Camier had a chat with Jules in Goleen (she told him about the murder hours before the story was made public). The other witness is Frenella, Jules' own daughter, who was living in the house at the time. She insists that Bailey and Jules left the house in the morning. She has refused to change her statement in 25 years despite constant pressure from her mother to do so.
- Bailey's outrageously suspicious behaviour at the time of the crime and ever since. It would take a book to list all the incidents. Here are a few:
- he (magically) turned up at the scene of the crime claiming to be a "news reporter" and yet didn't ask the police a single question - and didn't attend even a single police press briefing. But he was still incredibly well informed on all aspects of the crime.
- he tricked his way onto the crime scene several days later, knowing full well that the scene was off-limits and having been previously refused access.
- Disposal of evidence. He bought bleach in the local Co-op the day after the body was found. The staff, who could see that Bailey was stressed and agitated, asked him if he was alright. "I will be in about an hour," he said. They understood that this was something to do with the bleach. Later that day, Arianna Boarina, a guest at Bailey's house, saw dark clothes being soaked in the bathroom.
Two days later, a neighbour saw Bailey had a bonfire going. Coat buttons were later found in the ashes. All of this is strongly suggestive of Bailey getting rid of evidence of blood on his clothes. One of his coats was never found - presumed burnt in the bonfire.
- Bailey's refusal to share the Police Case File with us. It contains the 670 pieces of evidence against him and he has acquired the file by law. He claims it contains "no evidence" but he won't let us see what's in it so we can judge for ourselves. Journalist Nick Foster has twice challenged Bailey to a live debate on TV about its contents, promising to give 1000 euros to a charity for battered women if he agrees. Again, Bailey has refused.
There is a lot more. But there's probably enough there for people to decide if Bailey deserves to be the suspect or not. Most of the above is in the public domain as it came out in the court cases. All of it is easily checkable. So why didn't Sheridan mention it?
@@mickfromleitrim totally agree. There's so many innocent people wrongly convicted in other countries. That is what DPP was trying to avoid. What happened to IB could be me or you. I'm glad that they need more evidence. You can't go accusing people just because they are weird or different. You need concrete evidence I wouldn't like to be locked up on the basis people think I'm weird and have a dark sense of humour
The Irish cops lost a gate?! I guess you'd call that scandal 'Gategate'......
I thought that the investigation by the police force was atrocious.
I bet they “lost” it because the dna didn’t match
😂😂😂
Maybe one of them thought they could use a gate like that. They should have looked for the gate at one of their homes.
Like a lot of things in this case rumours are taken as facts. No the gate was not lost, it was held for 6 years until it was deemed "of no further use" and was offered back to the family who did not want it so it was destroyed....well thats the current story anyway
As an Irish person this case is being talked about constantly at the moment, glad to hear you discussing the specifics without diagnosing anyone
Who do people think did it?
@@BlueDemon77 most think Ian did it, but the DPP has said there is not enough evidence to go to trial.
@@BlueDemon77 mostly sadness for Sophie and her family never getting closure. That and disbelief that (albeit in the 90s) the police could be so incompetent to mess the investigation up
@@Lemonbonbon
I find "most" people are idiots when it comes to critical thought. They would fit right in at a medieval witch trial. Perhaps these "most" should join the Gardai.
@@Lemonbonbon No! I am from West Cork and the opinion here is that Bailey didn’t do it.
It’s outsiders with nothing bettter to do coming up with that shit.
Ireland would ‘get you’, Dr. Grande. Your dry wit, and ability to tell an interesting story with humor.
Right... Love him
And his potato-ish head.
Ireland is a dark place.
(i don't mean to offend....or preach to the converted....but...)
I know people who've left and never looked back.
They described the experience as "escaping from under a dark cloud"
And then o' course all the people, like my grandfather who escaped the potato famine
The Englishman made catastrophe.
One of the saddest stories I've ever heard about Ireland?:
The Magdalene Laundries.
Ooooh DARK indeed!
Slavery,
pits full of the remains of "illegitimate" babies,
vicious abusive nuns,
escape by the skin of one's teeth,
even in the 2nd half of the 20th century!
There's a documentary about The Magdalene Laundries here on CZcams.
It’s too bad Ireland won’t get this murderer extradited.
He's boss!
Recommend everyone listen to the 'West Cork' podcast about the case.
I can't find it. Would you mind telling me where I can find it? ☺
Audible. It's free
I too recommend the podcast.
@@robertobrien988 Thanks for the information!
thank you, I sure will!! :D
Wearing one of your hoodies in the west of Ireland Dr Grande! 🇮🇪 Thanks for all you do. 💖
Omg I’m from County Cork Dr Grande!!! You would love it!!!!!
I was at the three castles a few weeks ago, its a stunning spot. I couldn't help but think of poor Sophie while I was there. RIP
I would love to see it - it’s just gorgeous
I’d love to go see Ireland
@@pamzib4080 you should come visit Ireland! Im born and reared here and I still find fascinating spots like the three castles when I head out on an adventure 😊
@@Lemonbonbon I just might do that. I’m kind of afraid to drive though. It’s backwards in the US. I’d be afraid I’d be on the wrong side of the road!
3:26, the State Pathologist was not informed of the murder until the afternoon of the 23rd. It was a 7 hour drive so he instructed them to take the body to a local morgue while he set out in the early morning of the 24th. This message was ignored and the body was left in situ
I live in Ireland and the details are incorrect, state pathologist didnt come for 48hr, because local police didn't emphasise it was murder.
There’s no night without listening to Dr.Todd Grande.. thank you so much for your hard work 🫀🤍
Dr. Grande should come visit us in Ireland in order to see if we are as Freud said, that the Irish are impervious to psychiatric analysis.
Urban legend im afraid! His actual quote was "Them Irish gets off their tits quare handy on the sniff" If you read 'Freud', a life full of bangers' by Gay Byrne you'll see where he got his knowledge of Celtic debauchery from👍
@@pauliewalsh6875 Are you Jayo from Session Heads? 🤣
@@tireachan6178 Damn fuckin straight buddy!! Wheyheeeey! Session in the brick tomorrah,💪
@@pauliewalsh6875 Up to St Dominick's to take LSD on the sight of Airmount Maternity Hospital to call upon the God of Mount Sion to reopen the portal from whence the greatest generations of Waterford Men came!!!
@@pauliewalsh6875 that urban legend comment is one of the funniest things I've ever read on them internets.
Bailey isn't dead! He still lives in West Cork.
This should be interesting. Been hearing her name on the news since I was a child. No murder case in Irish history has received half the attention
Yes, and most people think Ian did it.
@@JustDr.S
"At least the ones I know."
So not most people then.
@@random6809 lol. Yeah, I think I worded that one wrong. You're right. 🥴
Greetings from Ireland Dr Grande, your new audio and visual equipment is looking and sounding very professionl, BTW as is the shirt. I agree with you a professional hitman normally wouldnt use a cement block to kill a victim.
surely not the shirt. as a "professional" you always wear a white t-shirt under a shirt, unless of course, the shirt is up to your neck and no skin is visible.
I'm from Ireland and I can tell you, the thing about a small town like that is that everybody talks and you can find out everything that's going on if you ask around. The fact that he 'knew things he should not have' to me simply means that word had leaked from locals and the small town police at the crime scene and most of the village knew most about what had gone on from an early point. In addition, it was later found after examining police phone recordings relating to the investigation, that the police had intentionally leaked classified info about the case to locals.
Also, nobody seems to find it unsettling that another man's DNA (not Bailey) was found at the crime scene AND the only witness in the area that night (Marie Farrell) subsequently recanted her statement and now says that Bailey was NOT the man she saw, saying the police originally blackmailed her to say so. On top of that, Bailey is a writer. When I have writing deadlines impending, spending the night trying to catch up is certainly not uncommon.
In reality, the only possible 'evidence' connecting him to the crime is the fact that he left the bed that night. I am not including the 'confessions' as to label them so (one when he was drunk and the other from a young schoolboy) is just silly. So not sure how Grande comes to this conclusion TBH.
Here's what I think happened. The guy is English in an area where English people tend not to be liked by a certain percentage of the Irish population. Certainly, somebody like that is an easy scapegoat. The cops zeroed in on him tunnel vision style from the get go and did not follow up ANY OTHER lines of enquiry. They tried their best to make whatever evidence they had fit, including blackmailing an innocent woman to say that it was Bailey she had seen when she had initially told them many times it was not. This man is probably the killer...the man who's DNA was the only other one found at the crime scene, aside from Sophie herself. You can thank the local police for letting this guy get off scot free. Perhaps they were under pressure to get a suspect as they had made a mess of the crime scene and allowed it to be unacceptably contaminated before forensics arrived?
A subsequent examination of around 275 police phone recordings relating to the case revealed that in addition to leaking classified info, the police were openly heard discussing the idea of falsifying evidence to incriminate Bailey. Although there is no evidence that they actually did so, it certainly gives you an idea of where their heads were at and also ties in with Marie Farrell's account of them unduly pressuring/threatening her to ID Bailey.
Bailey is currently petitioning the Irish government to get the case reexamined as he is sure that this will absolutely clear his name and show that he could not have done it. IMHO, these are not the actions of a guilty man.
@@carpe1959 No, in the phone calls she initially gave a description of a man around 5 foot 8 inches (Bailey is well over 6 foot), wearing a long black coat. It was only after being brought into the police station and being questioned for some time that she ID'd him as Bailey. This is a matter of public record so get your facts straight.
@@whoswhoo After Marie Farrell retracted her testimony, there is ZERO evidence connecting Bailey to the murder. Hopefully with more modern DNA techniques they will be able to extract some new evidence from the crime scene or her house.
Actually he was living in a quiet little resort community where the average person was not born and bred there. You try to offer perspective, but you make unsubstantiated claims that are not believable.
The DNA is the clue...
I.b. has shown the whole world to see that he has no problem brutally beating women his partner for twenty plus years can vouch for that.
Sky Crime have a 5 part documentary called "Murder at the Cottage", last episode tonight at 11pm GMT. I enjoyed the Netflix doc. looking forward to the Sky Crime one. Very hard to know with this case, all circumstantial evidence. One wonders how a gate can go missing from an Evidence Vault!
OOO much give that a goo
Only in Ireland ‘the missing gate’ 🤭🤭
@@carmelhughesparolya899 well that’s the truth! Only in 🇮🇪
@@peejthompson watching the last episode now, appears to be a lot better than Netflix
@@smiley9872👍😉☘️
Here's an example of a Guard telling me a barefaced lie. I drove a taxi in Dublin years ago. One night I stopped at the traffic lights on Swords Main ST. A young cop knocked on my window and said " You just broke the lights " ! First, I didn't take him seriously. I had stopped before the white line back from the lights. He persisted in accusing me. I argued with him. Then he pointed to a bit of a white line out in the middle of the road and another bit beside the footpath.95% of the original stop line had been worn away by traffic. Meanwhile, another Guard approached from the other side of the road,overheard the argument between me and his colleague and then uttered the most barefaced lie I've ever heard or experienced. " Yeah ! he said. " I saw you stop in the middle of the junction and reverse back to where you are now" ! I was dumbfounded by his absolute barefaced lying that I was stuck for words. Out of the depths of his lurid mind and megalomania this guy invented a ridiculous and absurd scenario.
Now I have something to look forward to watching this weekend. Does anyone else wish Dr Grande had another channel devoted to movie and tv show reviews?
Yes! Actually I was thinking the same, I was going to suggest that in his new podcast channel.😉
It’s a relief that the murder rate in Ireland is so low we only have one pathologist
This shirt has a “brainy “ quality to it.It’s my favorite new shirt! Oh no, wait-I can’t choose! Ok, it’s my almost favorite new shirt 👕! ( edited cause I forgot to mention the tiny lamp is back)!
I noticed the shirt first thing. That is his best look so far.
Great analysis, the Bean Sidhe (banshee) is local legend to the whole of Ireland
It’a sad to say there is no safe place to live.
Great video Dr Grande!!!
Yeah, I've never understood the whole "No one locks their doors" thing. Why not? Even if you don't expect anything to happen, what's the downside of locking your door? It takes a second and in the rare event that you are targeted, can be the difference between life and death.
Amen to that!
@@JustDr.S Yeah and who on earth would sleep at window height without a curtain? I know it was isolated up there but not that isolated, there were a few neighbours who used the road.
@@peejthompson please don't blame the victim.
@@lindawilliams747 no one is just pointing out the risks that were taken
@@peejthompson I think that's the point, she felt safe, as did the other members of the community. It's very different to live in a place that has not known a murder in living memory or any seriously violent crime for that matter. I shudder at the thought of not having a curtain on my window and other people possibly seeing me but warnings about possible danger were part of the discourse where I grew up from day one. Unfortunately, the illusion of safety is only real until it isn't. :( Such a sad case.
Great analysis Dr Grande, I was convinced of his guilt after watching the doc. My uncle lives in the same village as Bailey, so I asked him his opinion, here's what he told me:
"As to Ian Bailey you could not have found a better orator. We lived quite near to him. Before the murder I knew him quite well. He used to play the drum in a place called "The Tin Pub". He was probably the worst drummer ever to be born & its appalling sounds were exceeded in horror only by his self written poetry which he would recite to all who would listen. He was also prone to strip off on the common every full moon & dance to his own drumming & poetry. I never really liked the guy but he was great entertainment value.
I really do not know if he killed Sophie TDP. What I do know is the police lied to frame him for the murder (an ideal target!) & never sought anyone else for the crime. There was tension between her & her, French resident, film director, husband which was never really examined. There has never been enough evidence to convict (or deport him to France) just "we know he did it'' type noises. (except in France where he was tried in his absence & with no lawyer & no defence evidence, and of course found guilty...
I take the view that innocent until proven guilty is real so I still stop and talk to him when I meet him in Bantry & have been to one of his lectures (he took a law degree) which had the theme that Irish law & policing over the past fifty years had oppressed the poor & kept the rich safer. A good presentation."
"I was convinced of his guilt after watching the doc."
Not surprising since it was heavily biased against Bailey, leaving out a lot of facts that supported his potential innocence. Probably because one of the producers was none other than *Sophie's cousin* !
The Jim Sheridan one on Sky gives an alternative view, but more importantly it shows actual dated documents for context.
Of course if you read the Irish 2001 DPP report it savages the police investigation and reveals why they did not even charge him on four occasions.
Your Uncle may be correct in his assessment of guilt vs. innocence.
I listened to a podcast today Crime Analyst analyzing this case. A fact she shared about Marie "Fiona" is she reported 17 acts of harassment on the part of Ian Bailey after she went to the Gardi. 17! Therefore it is possible that she changed her story because she was afraid of Ian Bailey and felt the Gardi were not proactively protecting her. Because if they had taken her complaints seriously Ian Bailey should have been arrested for intimidating a witness. It's a line of inquiry that needs to be followed up on.
Marie Farrell wanted to testify at the French trial that she had lied about seeing Bailey. She has repeatedly stated that it was not him she saw. She has nothing to fear, she doesn't live there anymore. If you read her very first statement, the man she saw was very much shorter than Bailey and of a different build. It was only after police told her that he was their suspect that her description changed to being a man much taller.
She has since identified the man she saw as being known to Sophie's husband and police have/are interviewing him. The man's build matched that given by a barman too.
There is also updates on the cold case, such as this from the December 2022 news:
"Gardai are looking at a number of possible new suspects over the murder of Sophie Toscan du Plantier.
One is a French speaking individual who was spotted in a Kerry pub the night after her murder with marks and scratches on his face. A suspicious barman at the time in Cahirciveen reported him to the local Gardai and he was questioned before being eventually let go.
It later emerged that this person was the spitting image of an individual who was spotted by shopkeeper Marie Farrell following Sophie, 38, around Schull village, west Cork, in the afternoon before she was killed on the night of December 23, 1996. The man speaks fluent French but is from another European country. He also used a rented car which had false number plates. Gardai have the name of the man following Sophie and an address for him in France.
But it is also understood Gardai are also pursuing a connection between the tragic filmmaker and two other French men who lived in West Cork, although the men themselves are not suspects. The pair were hiding out in the isolated rural area after receiving death threats from a French criminal gang. It is understood that Sophie had met the men while she was in Ireland and Gardai are investigating whether she was targeted because of her friendship with them."
David Spade was almost murdered by his personal assistant could you do a video on this case?
Oh ya that's a good one!
David Spade does an interview about that on Howard Stern's show. ( CZcams)
That would be interesting!
Whaaaaaa?!?!?
@Ashleigh P I saw a Spade interview on the WTF Marc Maron channel
I'm halfway through the documentary so will watch this tomorrow...so tempting to watch now but very much looking forward to it, thanks so much Dr Grande.
Another tragic, horrific case. Bless Sophie and her loved ones.
What I recall from "Sophie" on Netflix is that Sophie was unaware of the superstition surrounding seeing the woman in white, nor was the person she told it to; otherwise, it might have served as a warning to be more cautious. As for Ian Bailey, I believe he is as guilty as a person can be. How convenient for him that a turkey supposedly scratched his head and a tree scratched his arms on the same day that Sophie was murdered amongst briars. Yeah, right. He's a creep.
@Moby Pancake Ian Bailey is a violent man and lost control in his encounter with Sophie. I'm not going to rehash all the evidence here or the lack of procedure by the Irish police. Bailey was tried in absentia by the French where as much evidence as possible was presented, and he was found guilty. I don't believe some mysterious person appeared, murdered Sophie, and then disappeared. Bailey can claim he was being "ironic" when he said he killed Sophie; sounds to me like he was simply poking the bear.
@M It's not unheard of for a woman to stay with a man they suspect of murder. They simply look the other way.
the simplest explanation is the truth usually. He fits the profile, he wasn't home, it's very secluded area and middle of the night and nobody else in this town fits the killer profile. Nobody would do chance killing in the middle of nowhere. Hitman wouldn't kill her with a brick.
@@joannawinters6592 Plus his history of domestic violence, including beating Jules so severely that she ended up in the hospital. But as he put it, he "behaved badly." The man is all ego and no conscience.
@M So you either were at the trial or you have a transcript of the trial. Well, alrighty then.
How do you lose a gate? Some of the things the police lose is kind of astounding.
covering up for a colleague
*It turns out now that the cops destroyed the gate because it was not relevant to the case. Irish police is one of the worst in the world.*
The gate wasn’t actually lost. The guards had it at their lab for years afterwards. It’s been disposed of now
They don't "lose" anything
Iosing a gate was the smallest f***up the police did. They took hair from Ian Baliey and found that the DNA found on her DID NOT match Ian... and they still went to trail, and LOST... I wonder why
You're thoughts at the end were brilliant, Dr. Grande!
Your work ethic is so unbelievable! ♡♡
Horrific that she was left there on the ground for over a day after being discovered.
The incompetence of the local investigators is astounding. They didn't get the local doctor to take her temperature which would have enabled the Pathologist to then give an estimation for time of death. She could have been murdered anywhere between midnight and 10am. That ten hours timeframe means the murderer could be anybody in the whole of Ireland or even from abroad!
Amazing work! It's frightening knowing that this crime was so close to home, although our island maybe beautiful. However it's got it's darker side too. This ghost that was seen was probably a Banshee, something still very feared in Ireland as a part of our faith here. God bless from Ireland.
My husband has commented on occasion that he has seen a Banshee. I suspect he might be more intensely frightened on a more mundane plane. God bless back.
@@sherryd.3425 Very interesting. What's more strange is that Banshees appear when death is near and she will cry out, weeping in sorrow for the death to come. Then this horrible crime takes place shortly after, not saying that this is proof of a Banshee but I'm the same too, absolutely terrified of Banshees and the Faerie trees, never touch one. This why I love Dr Grande, he mentions all the fine details and even to mention the ghost was a perfect touch. God bless you.
@@IrishTechnicalThinker Thank you so very much. I'll share that with my husband.
They have just reopened the case
Congratulations on reaching 775K subs Dr. Grande! ❤️✨💐
Very soon it will be 800K subs!!
And then 1 million...
I hope this channel and your new podcast channel continue to grow and evolve! 🌹
Wow, I dont believe it. I was just earlier watching your video on Mark Winger case and you were discussing your sponsor for the video which was audible and you were saying about how you keep up to date with case's. I genuinely thought of Sophie toscan du Plantier case and how you should analyse it. It is on Netflix now and I am Irish, I was 17 when it happened and it never left me. I was going to leave a comment to you to look it up but as always Dr Todd Grande your a head of the game, no hassle.
I just watched this Netflix documentary last week - I'm so glad you're covering this case, Dr. Grande! Now- to listen and absorb!
4:17 the keys were in the FRONT door lock, the bloodstain was on the back
Thankyou for doing this, Doc.
Sorry I'm late doc, my lepracaun just wouldn't settle, Ian killed Sophie, then because he's a "journalist" had the gaul to report on the murder he committed. The slippery snake has not received punishment. Rip Sophie, so sad this happened to you, in your safe place. ❤️🙏💐🇮🇪✌️
I agree
He was asked to report on the murder as he was the local journalist.
@@zed351 He wasn’t asked to report on the murder he decided to do that himself . Did you listen to Dr Grande’s video ?
@@zed351
Go away, Ian.
@@joycejnn
Wrong. Another journalist asked him to investigate it. This video is full of inaccuracies.
Well, Ian Bailey's Hubris is undeterred and he is currently asking for the case to be reopened, so I hope he is forced to explain how he knew the body of the dead foreign woman was his french neighbour sophie before it was even on the news that the woman was french, never mind that it was sophie toscan du plantier. I hope he is made to explain why if he never met Sophie, she had told a couple of her french friends that an Eoin Bailey was trying to corner her to read out his terrible poetry. I hope he is asked to explain why he had a fire shortly after her murder, I hope he's asked to explain why he considers himself a master of the English language but yet went to pieces (verbally) when trying to describe how the turkey scraped him. So many lies that a GOOD interrogator should find easy to corner him with.
Exactly. The most suspicious thing is that he has told so many demonstrable lies. The police really dropped the ball on this, I mean losing a *gate*?? Really? I wish there was reliable DNA-evidence bc based on all the corcumstantial ones, it's very difficult to believe he didn't do it.
I farm bits and pieces out to the guys who are much more brilliant than I am. I say, "build me a laser", this. "Design me a molecular analyzer", that. They do, and I just stick 'em together. But, none of them know what the project really is. So...
Indeed. It's an unsolved murder, so the Gardai and the director of public prosecutions could easily reopen the case. And a lot of evidence has emerged since then, so they would in all likelihood be able to build a solid case.
@Annette Johnson no that was elvis
@@girlwhomustnotbenamed4139 The gate was tested for forensics and DNA. There was no DNA found other than Sophie. There was an unknown fingerprint found. It belonged to neither Sophie nor Bailey.
This "documentary" left out an awful lot. It was very biased. The case is a lot more complicated in reality than was shown. Netflix documentaries shouldn't be relied upon.
They also left out that the Gardai did get a long black coat from Bailey. It was tested and there was no forensic evidence found. There's a record of the coat being taken into the possession of the Gardai in the Garda case file. Again this wasn't mentioned at all.
They tested the briars and found trace amounts of DNA, but not enough to be of any use.
You can't rely on hearsay to convict people. There was no physical evidence linking Bailey to the murder.
Bailey is clearly a lowlife, but that doesn't make him a murderer.
There was also an audio recording of a phone call where it seems like the Gardai wanted to bribe a person to give testimony against Bailey. None of this was mentioned.
Dr. Grande, thank you for discussing this horrible case - it's a hard one to shake.
Love the shirt.
You're the Man, Man.
Always enjoyable listening to your analysis and opinions.
Most of the people I've never heard of. Sorry everyone has died.
Thank you.
Peace
I was hoping you'd do this case! Thanks, Dr. G!
Actually saw a one hour Irish Crime documentary on this case RIGHT BEFORE this. I don't think they mentioned Bailey and his wife divorced, not sure when it was made b.c. I don't think the French trial had happened yet. And the wife made the physical assaults sound like almost nothing. The beatings were passed off b.c. he was under stress, drinking to excess and taking painkillers and he .....hasnt done it since. No mention of reconstructive surgery AND a FIRM statement that she would not be still with him if she thought he was a murderer.... she has children to think of. No wonder I like watching different versions of the same crime.
Sounds fascinating! Doctor, I would like to suggest a Brit celebrity. The mental health and social factors that might be at work in the life and early death of Caroline L. Flack, a TV presenter in GB. Having said, I'm now going to listen to your newest topic and wish everyone a good time. 🙂
I was in psych hospital due to my Bipolar when she died and it was such sad and shocking news. Whatever the facts were about why she was arrested the scummy British press yet again behaved aborhently
If you want a British TV woman then do Jill Dando.
@@eadweard. Oh yes that's a interesting case too. I wonder if we will ever know the whole story
Great suggestion, Mrs. R! That would be an interesting one.
My only concern is how the he'll can you " lose a. Gate "??? Only in Ireland!
Odd? Being inept is way better than being corrupt?! Okay. But then again, it is their job to be, *"not inept?"* If that's their best defense - civilians need to rethink their personal safety issues, before the police gets there! Liked very much: "It only takes *one person* in an *otherwise safe community* to make it dangerous."
Sophie's body was discovered by Alfie Lyons' wife. Alfie Lyons knew Bailey & knew he was a journalist. Bailey would've known about the murder/discovery of the body well before most Garda (Irish police force).
You also say in your theory Bailey walked to to Sophie's house.
That's a long walk for a man that had been drinking alcohol. If he was spotted on Kilfeada Bridge at 3am (as per Marie Farrell) he was up & about doing a whole pile of speed walking during the middle of the night whilst drunk. Plus was up early the following morning driving around the locality reporting on the murder.
I'm not saying he did or didn't do it but there is something seriously off with the timelines / supposed eye witness testimony unless he is an olympic standard athlete in the dark when he has consumed alcohol.
Yes crazy people do crazy things, but waking up at 2.30am to walk miles in the freezing cold and pitch darkness to knock on her door at 3am doesn't sound plausible. Of course Marie Farrell has recanted and said it was not Bailey she saw, meaning that there is actually nothing to place him near the scene that night other than having no alibi. Well there will be plenty of other people without alibis too!
Enjoyed the Netflix series and your follow-up video here, so thanks very much. Bring on Lord Lucan soon, please!
Can you analyze the strange behavior of Summer Well's parents?
Great stuff....just got my PJ's on and poured myself a brandy so time to put my feet up and enjoy another gift from Dr Grande.......I like to live life on the edge, as you can tell.
Sounds like a great evening to me!
Dying definitely takes the fun out of everything Dr. Grande! Had never heard this story before thanks again for another interesting breakdown!
He did it imo. For simply two reasons. First, he and his wife knew about the murder and the identity of the victim before it was announced. Second, he confessed to FOUR people about it! You don’t just talk about killing someone in detail ESPECIALLY when you have already been arrested as a suspect. The dark humor excuse is pathetic, he probably just couldn’t keep it inside cuz of how much he loves attention. Finally, all throughout the documentary I dismissed everything as a coincidence, but the fact that he has a VERY violent history towards women makes it even more clear to me that he did it. I’m really sorry for Sophie’s family that the Irish justice system decided to just leave this man walking around like he did nothing.
Also, I have something to add. The people in West Cork obviously love their community and want to keep it safe. Why would they lie on an innocent man? Even if he was annoying and no one liked him, they still want to feel safe and live without fear. So they want to catch the REAL killer, not makeup lies about a guy they hate. That’s why I personally believe the witnesses. And btw not many people hate someone to the point where they maintain their claims for 20+ years. That’s just a waste of time.
"First, he and his wife knew about the murder and the identity of the victim before it was announced"
No they didn't. A witness claimed that, but Jules stated it was the day after the murder, not the day of the murder.
"Second, he confessed to FOUR people about it!"
The DPP report stated that they were sarcasm in the face of accusations. You may want to read it. When even the *PROSECUTION* say the "confessions" are nonsense, you should be paying attention to them. The prosecutors dismissed the Gardai evidence and did not even charge Bailey.
So why did "the Irish justice system" do that?
Read the Nick Foster book “Murder at Roaringwater.’ It is the most up to date analysis and I believe, absolutely nails it.
West Cork podcast is best.
Eileen UK. I just want to say thank you 🙏DREAM.Grande I am so happy 😁 you are doing this I am only half way through watching this on one of the crime channels then I will come back and watch your analysis l got so excited when I got the notification now I have to go and watch the rest even if it takes all night. Thank you 🙏 again. Love the check shirt 👍
"they didn't leave much out" sweet Jesus, there was a pile of key points left out in this Netflix series, and how can you give a true analysis based on a biased series created for entertainment purposes anyway. To tweak your theory, first Marie Farrell didn't see Bailey at Céal Feada bridge, she saw a man, the guards told her to say it was Bailey. Second, the autopsy showed the contents of the victims stomach, that she had had breakfast and the likely time of the murder was actually the mid morning. Third, the jacket claimed by a visitor in Bailey's house to be evidence to the murder, he wore it several days after the murder in Schull and the guards seized it, cut it into pieces to finely examine it and found nothing. And finally there was blood found in the victims shoe that forensically showed was neither Sophie's or Bailey's clearly indicating someone else was the killer.
None of the real evidence was spoken about. The thumbprint in Sophie's fresh blood on the gate,didn't match Baileys or Sophie's. So had to belong to the killer. At first the gardai said they mislaid the 9 ft long gate but when held to ridicule admit they dumped it. Why.,? Sophie had s clump of hair in her fist, didn't natch Baileys, who's hair? Too many cover ups and threatening Marie Farrell into identifying Bailey the whole case stinks . Local gossip says it was a gardai from the next village,Sophie's lover. All evidence has now been destroyed. Garda, dumped gate with unidentified thumbprint, clump of hair supposedly gone missing, book of evidence missing, witnesses statements all missing. Is it any wonder our D,A , said there wasn't a shred of evidence to try Bailey on,and he refused to hand him over to France. Bailey was violent to his girlfriend, but she admit it was only when both had too much to drink ,and his ex wife said that in many years of marriage, he never once raised his hand to her.
The reason Bailey was convicted in France and not Ireland is simple. Evidence in France is examined by a Prosecuter,eliminating lies,innuendo,hearsay, etc which inevitably arises in cases like this. The French based their case on the complete Garda file and never questioned it which was a major mistake. The Irish prosecuter the DPP questioned the Garda file and never allowed it to go to trial because of the stupidity and lies of vital witnesses. I hope I made that clear.
So many interesting topics and analysis.
The tiny lamp is an awesome addition to the backdrop. Love your analysis. As always.
Weird how Dr. Grande’s CZcams “murder videos” actually calm me down after watching random CZcams political videos.
WOW! 😳. Really interesting. I really enjoy Dr. Todd’s video’s. My favorite is Doc’s “final thoughts!” So, good.
I am from west cork Ireland, not far from where this happened.
Ian had absolutely nothing to do with this woman, Doctor Todd!! Just so you know!! The gards in this country made aright balls of the investigation!!!
What makes you say that
I tend to agree, they "lost" a fuckin gate...nothing Marie Farrell says is credible...whether a cover-up or a fuck-up, they are the reason this woman never got justice!
And they would buy and sell you in west cork
This was my favorite case analysis. Thank you Dr. Grande.
Hello from Ireland ☘️☘️☘️
Your work is outstanding, Dr.Grande. I was trying to reach out to you all the way from Ireland to analyze this, but I should have known you would have it covered. Amazing as always.
After watching 'Sophie: A Murder in West Cork' on Netflix I was very interested to find out what Dr Grande has to say about this and what his verdict will be. For me, this case clearly has an additional suspect . This suspect already placed herself near the crime scene after the crime. This person also knew Sophie (most murders are committed by someone who knew the victim). I am thinking about the lady who claimed she saw Ian on the bridge. Is it possible this person also had a motif; jealousy.This was a small community and Sophie was a very attractive young lady. She would stand out because of her good looks. She also lived there alone and was free to invite whoever she wanted as a guest. This is something many paired-up village ladies might have felt particularly unhappy and insecure about. Perhaps a husband of one of the village ladies had a crush on Sophie and the offender(female) decided to remove the 'competition'. An actual as well as perceived infidelity can be a strong motif. The offender might have even had a crush on Ian himself..
As a female, I usually do not notice who men I am not interested in notice (how did the shop assistant notice Ian was observing Sophie:?)
I also think that perhaps the woman 'shadow' Sophie had seen when walking alone in the lake area was a female stalking her...
As a foreign woman (about Sophie's age) living in the same area of the world, I am quite certain not Sophie would sleep with an open door. I also do not believe she would open the door for a drunk -sounding male in the middle of the night. Or any male really. She would however open the door for a female who needed help...or a female friend whom she knew as coming. Her outfit however does not suggest she was expecting any visit that evening. Neither do the wine glasses which were simply washed and left to dry upside down in the kitchen, near the sink. This only confirms Sophie had more than one wine glass that she used in the days before the murder (just like many of us use multiple glasses and tea cups). I believe this murder was planned and the killer(s) never entered Sophie's house. This is because the inside of the property appeared to be 100% intact when she was found outside.
The fact that Sophie's face was mutilated when she was attacked suggests this is the part of Sophie's body, the offender had particularly strong feelings about. My version would be that a female 'friend' turned up at Sophies place on the night of her death...I believe this lady might have not turn up alone but perhaps with a male accomplice. It is likely that, when Sophie was lured out of the house, the door was shut behind her and then she was attacked.
When it comes to Ian; I think his histrionic personality traits might have been the reason why he was making the strange 'confessions' to his neighbours (extreme attention seeking behaviour). There seems to be a lot of circumstantial evidence piled up against him. Whereas I do not sympathise with any male who was involved in domestic violence incidents in the past, I am also not 100% sure he is the killer we all wish to see charged.
Thank you so much for covering this!
I’m still a bit confused about the lady who gave false testimony. The police said she gave it freely of her on volition. Did they find out who her male friend was? Was she frightened that it may have been him responsible?
It seems the police became convinced of only one line of enquiry and dismissed anything else. This Mr Bailey does appear to be a strange character but that alone isn’t enough to convict him of murder. They really need to find the missing exhibits and test them again if possible…
Very well spotted Maxine, you have your finger on the pulse of this case. The lady, Maria Farrell, was running a shop in the near by town. After Sophies murder police canvased the town and Maria said yes Sophie was in her shop on the day of her murder and a man about 5foot8 wearing a long black coat and a flat top beret was filling sophie.
A while later police get an anomalous call from a woman saying she saw a man at 3am near Sophies House wearing a long black with his hand up to his head. She hung up but on another later call she said she was with a man who was not her husband and that man was also married, she claims they are just friends and not having an affair but does not want anyone to find out eitherway. The police track her down and say to her, we know Ian Bailey did it but if you say the man you saw at 3am was Ian then we can put him away and we'll never mention your name and you husband will never find out, so she did just that, the man at 3am became Ian and the 5foit8 guy outside the shop also did. The police also helped Maria get a council house and let her husband off with driving offences.
Many years later Maria withdraws her statement and says the police pressured her into say it was Ian on fear of telling her husband.
As for the man who Maria was with on the night, she has never publicly said his name and has given varying stories about him from he died to he's not in Ireland anymore.
@@MrAJScotty if the mystery man in the coat wasn’t Ian, does anyone in the area have an idea who it was?
@@maxinehayes7721 officially no-one knows who he is.... but again Marie Farrell has said she was shown a photo of the guy very recently and confirmed it's the same guy she saw that night....he is meant to be French,, living in Paris and is a friend of Sophies family..... But its Marie Farrell, she has changed her story so much who knows what's true
@@maxinehayes7721 Yes lots in the area know who it was, so do the police. there are no secrets in remote country areas,everyone knows who's having an affair with who
@@MrAJScotty shame they didn’t highlight this man in the documentary, a bit shoddy on their part. They didn’t have to name him, just say it wasn’t Ian that she saw
Wow thanks Dr. Grande. Can't believe my suggestion was taken up! How the heck did you do this so fast? Amazing.
Dr Todd Grande strengths: Excellent analyses, comprehensive understanding of statistics and psychology.
Dr Todd Grande weaknesses: Poor pronunciation.
I think he is from Delaware.
It's probley an accent thing if anything.
I'm not aware of it.
Like my mother always said,
You can't have it all.
Americans don’t commonly pronounce French words as one would in France, here in Canada, and in other places- and that’s fine.
Dr Grande’s pronunciation otherwise is perfect.
@@jennifer97363 Absolutely!!
Thankyou so much for covering this one - brilliant as usual Dr Grande 👏👏😎
Dr. Grande please analyse another Irish case! The case of Elaine O'Hara. Very tragic case and would love to see your analysis of it.
This one was something else, I popped in the court room when the trial was ongoing (I am working for the courts amongst other institutions as an interpreter) and I had never seen a room so packed.
There was a woman dressed in not much of a skirt and high boots that was trying to catch Dwyer’s attention… weirdo. Apparently she was told to leave later on.I hope he never gets out on appeal that would a real slap in the face of the Garda’s excellent job.
I would love it if Dr. Grande would do this one!
A cable channel in the States made an extremely cheesy documentary about that case a few years ago. I'm a bit curious as to whether the Americans who were its intended audience could spot the difference between the over-the-top oirish accents of the documentary's actors and the genuine accents of the interviewees.
@@fergalcussen I think I saw the same, they all had terrible fake Irish accents from all over the Ireland. It was painful to watch.
Hell hath no fury like a man who completely undefestimates his sexual prowess. Another womans life lost to a man's bruised ego.
You don't know what the word prowess means.
Very sad story Dr. Grande, the police should have done better, thank you for your analysis!
Watched this at work last night and was searching your channel for an analysis! Always waiting to hear your opinion Doc😌💗
Love that you did this one. It always pisses me off when the police make such yawing mistakes in cases. If I treated a patient and forgot to set their broken limb, and did not administer the anaesthesia correctly, killing the patient, I would be not only useless at my job but also thrown in prison.
Ian Bailey may be guilty, but the police should have been able to collect enough evidence to incriminate him, because by his own actions he was doing a great job of incriminating himself.
It is terrible for Sophie and her family and friends but it is no piece of cake for the loved ones and supporters of Bailey.
Once again a beautiful setting, a great town but the beauty and peace is unseen by the killer.
I love the little red succulent in the black pot, I seem to have missed that one.
I wonder if Mike O That chapter will cover this?? (the case not the succulent!)
Although I agree with you that the Garda did a poor job in this case it has to be said that the last murder in Schull before this was over 100 years before. The Garda we not but absolutely should have been trained better in the area of homicide. I’m sure if god forbid another murder were committed it would be handled differently, although that won’t benefit Sophie. May she R.I.P
Hey you! What a coincidence. I asked Mike to cover this just last week. Maybe he'll give it goo!
Alledged fact correction...The Irish police did NOT make the mistake of "losing the gate with blood on it", the gate was used as far as it could be for its evidential value, it was then discarded by the Irish police force because they simply had no further use for it.
The netflix show is limited, the sky crime documentary is better but the podcast "west cork" is by far the best of the 3, its actually the most listened to podcast in the world and highly recommended.
Thanks for info , I will check out the podcast
Dr.Grande you have done it again...clear, simple, direct and i think he did it too...
Nice shirt brah!...I had a shirt just like that when I was in junior high school. 🤟😎 Radical
Love your content Dr. Grande!
You should listen to West Cork the podcast. It goes into a lot more detail than Netflix.
Thank you for your work it Iliad been difficult to keep up this past year. Prayers.
Poor investigation, Garda. How could they lose a metal gate?
Obviously they didn't. Or indeed all of the initial statements, files and other associated items.
They didnt loose the bloidstained gate,the wine bottle and witness statements. They have now admitted they threw them away.Rather odd behaviour,but they kept the evidence of the local physic,who read the cards,got in touch with Sophie and told her that Ian Baey killed her You couldn't write it as fiction if you tried.
@@laurielovett8849 thanks for the answer
@@conlaiarla thanks for answering
Not lost. The gate was taken down and sent to a lab in Dublin for forensic testing. Held in storage for several years, until it was decided the gate was of no further use for evidence. It was disposed of then.
I agree with your comment concerning the fragile line between life and death. I do and have always locked my doors. Also, you can't know people's minds. It's not worth dying over an unlocked door.
That was a brutal savage murder for sure.
I just finished watching this and wanted your opinion haha love how you’re on the ball with the videos Dr. take care :)
Could someone please help me understand how the Garda managed to 'lose' the iron, blood stained gate? How is that possible!!
It wasn't lost, it was disposed of after seven years,, samples and dna were taken from it and are now kept as evidence.
perhaps the real killer has links to the Garda:?
A very bizarre and fascinating case.
In many ways it comes across as being blatantly obvious that Ian killed her and done in the way hypothesised in this vid. There's way too many coincidences, information and actions taken by Ian during the night of and days after the murder.
He had a viscous temper, drank, and on one occasion beat his partner Jules so badly that she ended up in hospital. If he beat Jules that badly he was just a few harder punches or a bottle grab away from murdering her. If Jules fought back, scratched his face, caused him pain as Sophie did to her attacker, then perhaps Ian might have escalated his attack and killed Jules. So ya, the guy clearly demonstrated he had capacity to be the murderer with that mindset and loss of control while drinking around that time plus he's a big guy.
But for me what was also very bewildering based on the documentaries and what adds serious doubt to who the murder is, is how the witnesses chopped and changed their stories or denied them or said that's not what they meant.
The shop owner who supposedly witnessed Ian outside the shop then following Sophie as she went home, later changed their story to the person being short man wearing a French beret, trying to paint a very embarrassing image of a stereotypical Frenchman as much as to suggest her French husband sent a "not so inconspicuous" French Assassin... I'm surprised he wasn't also holding a French baguette and sipping a glass wine.
The 14 year old boy supposedly made the story up about Ians confession.
The prank calling woman who spotted Ian on the way back from her affair "just having a friendly drink a friend who also happened to be a man all evening and into early hours of the morning" lol, that saw Ian washing his coat or boots at the bridge close to Sophies home that night changed her story or something odd.
Suppisidly a couple at a part with Ian said Ian confessed the whole thing. Nothing came of it.
I also found Sophies close neighbours not hearing anything as odd in light of the fact it was a silent night without wind, a very isolated area away from noise, Sophie lived practically right beside them and this clearly a lengthy and dramatic fight. The attack started at her house, she clearly put up one hell of a fight and ended up down at the gate some distance from the initial attack. Yet these neighbours close by didn't hear what was surely a lot screaming and shouting? The whole thing is just very odd, including the witnesses.
The Gardaí were clearly inept and handled the case very badly, that much seems true. Ian clearly showed repeatedly around that time that he had the capacity to murder Sophie based his partners hospitalization and his violent outbursts while drinking and physical size, that much is true. Ian also stupidity admitted that he "went out for a walk" for a couple of hours during the time she was murdered because he couldn't sleep or some bs, that much is true. Ian also had scratches following the murder which he attributed to killing turkeys, so it's true he had scratches which could actually have been from Sophie who's corpse supposedly had dna of someone under her nails from the fight she put up. Also, Ians partner Joules came across as the type of stupid woman that defends a batterer like Ian and strongly defended him saying Ian would be incapable of Sophies murder. I'll assume she dropped charges against Ian for beating her into hospital hence why his sentence was so pitiful and as such Joules actually served to most likely protect Ian during the investigation and support his most likely bs stories about cutting trees and killing turkeys and burning old bits and pieces, all of which was probably a lie.
It wasn't Jules who witnessed him topping the tree, it was her daughter. Another witness gave a statement that he saw him dragging the tree home. He culled the turkeys to sell them. It was Jules herself that had the bonfire, not Bailey.
So no, it is not "bs".