shifting gears 16s Daf XF105 video reply to shifting gears 12s Volvo FH by AID2003
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- čas přidán 29. 12. 2012
- video reply to the "shifting gear 12s Volvo FH"of AID2003
After my comment on his video ,Andy writes me that it will be funny if i made a video reply.....SO HERE IT IS...just a little mistake at 00:33 the picture is from a Eaton 18s
On my Daf 105.410 i have a manual gearbox 16s ZF....very easy to use (just like a car)
I want to thank you for watching,rating and commenting my little videos all along this year
and wish you all the best for you and your family for 2013
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I drive an XF automatic normally. Tomorrow I'm being trusted with a CF manual, 16 speed. Haven't needed to use the splitter before but now I know that I just have to use the clutch to engage the split gear, not take it out and put it back in gear with the splitter on. Thanks for this vid, I hope it helps me on the road!
For who does not have experience, those videos are perfect. Keep doing that. You and Andy. Great job! Happy new year!
Interesting, Pat. Thanks! I only ever had very simple Eaton-Fuller 10-speeds (high-low ranges, one overdrive gear, no splits). I wanted more gears--more gears, more fun. Safe trip / Marc
thank you alot I learn how to change gears from you and know am a truck driver from Africa Tanzania God bless you
i ll be driving trucks in tanzania soon :D
Thx for good video. Some years ago I had joy to drive a DAF with same gear. Began career with Mercedes NG witt one-H without Split, then double-H without Split, then double-H splitted and so on … wish you and all our camerades all time good trip
Thanks so much for posting this video
Quick question: At around 3:15 when you are downshifting, are you keeping the clutch depressed all the time or are you letting it up between every shift?
I love the sound of 4L. I can listen to it for hours...
Patrick!! que camión!! feliz 2013 para vos y tu familia!! Un abrazo Luis.-
Very liked this video Patrick,
I used to drive my fathers truck in summer, his truck has little bit different transsmission, but anyway person just have to get used to it, to practise for some time, then it will be easy to drive any truck.
have a nice evening my friend,
Simas
Hi Patrick I hope you have a very happy and prosperous New Year ... very interesting to learn more about the Transmissions of European trucks .... never driven a truck and Europe but I can see that these changes are very smooth .. I see none nesesario rpm engine speed to reduce gear changes .. thank you very much for sharing these fabulous and interesting videos dear friend .. My best wishes to you and your family in this new year .. Greetings friend
I haven't used my left leg for some time now Pat. Many thanks for the training video......lol
Wishing you and all the family a happy and prosperous new year.
Andy........
THANK YOU Sebastian
happy 2013 to you and your family
Pat
Thank you for being a good driving trainer wishing you all the best & Happy New year merry Christmas to you
thanks for the comment
have a good weekend
I drive a DAF XF with the 4 0ver 4 with the half gear .I test driving a Volvo i shift .Its the way to go .The driver can focus on traffic and forget the gear stick .Its a distraction all the gear changes .You never notice until you drive something else .
Brilliant video Patrik..
I had the some ZF Gear BOX in my old MAN TGA...
Its very easy to use and works good..
Not so many split greas like in the 12 speed like I have..
THX you for this great video responce..
Wish you all the best for 2013...
Keep on trucking and Keep on filming!!
You made it very clear thanks, all those gears used to confuse me lol :-)
thanks for the comments ......your desire are orders for me .....haha
thanks for your comment Simas
a great evening to you too
Pat
Have a good Day! Please, tell about how do you shift one full gear down before overtaking? Just off the gas - clutch in - shift gear - clutch out and at the same time add gas? No any blipping the throttle and other features?
Tnx Pat for this video,it was really helpfull...
Thank you Mr Patrick I have driven DAF CF 85.430 16 spread gear ⚙️ truck 🚛 it is amazing truck bravo Paccar for the DAF CF truck 🚛🚛🚛
you like it or you hate it....it is a way of life
no my father had stop to drive since 2008,he had drive for him self all his life,now he is 75 and in pension
i am 53 ,and i have 2 sons who drive ,the oldest is 33 and chief of a garage for a road work company but drive with a beton mixer 6 axles mercedes 2 or 3 days a week and the second is 21 old ,he work for sitra now 3 years with a bulker and now with a fridge but still for sitra and he like it
greethings from Belgium
yes Al ,i dont know if you have seen it ,but the pic at 00:33 was a mistake ,i have copy it from the instruction book of my Daf,but it is from a Fuller 18s....i didnt know that it was still possible to buy a daf with a fuller gearbox
happy new year
thx for the comment
I like the way you teach how to drive daf
thank you my friend
happy new year to you
Pat
it is nearly the same like a scania
the last truck of my father was a scania r500 with manual gearbox
i have try it ...what i can say is that gearbox of the scania was harder for shifting the gear,not worst to use but you need to use more power with your arm to shift the gear
thanks for your comment
Nice video Patrick, good explanation . Thnaks and happy new year!
i had the eaton fuller on my 2800 in the past...i have enjoyed this transmission
thanks for your comments
P
Great deal of help. Thanks man.
thanks
grazie per i auguri
anche a te un buon capo d anno
Pat
the cab yts not high.........,but u r verry higt dryverrrrrr.........thumbs UP......for Patt....,u r really my mentor......,y wanth to dryve like u....,greattings from Romania!!!
VERY EASY TO EXPLAIN. THANK YOU. THUMBS UP.
FIRST : keep on trucking !!!
SECOND : continue to upload :))
THANKS FOR THE COMMMENT
have a good week
Good video, all is clear. Thank you good luck!
Nice doubleclutch back shifting at 4:37 :D
STiBebi specialist....hahaha
I just watched the video. You showed two different transmissions. One had Reverse on the bottom left, and the other one had reverse on the top left. Are you trying to confuse us? Also I noticed that you did a lot of skip shifting. I never do that on an 18 speed crash box unless I am going down hill or bob tailing. All of our heavy trucks in North America pull much heavier loads than in Europe and have double drive axles. Our manuals are all non synchro transmissions. They tried synchros a few years ago but the drivers hated them and they are no longer available in heavy trucks. Just to much payload and they all got destroyed.
Doug Stern well thats lies anyway. Most trucks now are automatic or have synchro gear boxes. Even the American brands are now making autos. Double clutching went out with the dinosaurs. Like anything new synchro boxes struggled with torque at first but not anymore. No new trucks today are being made with non synchro gear boxes 😂 besides Americans cant drive unless its a straight line
too much You don't know what you are talking about. All students here in North America driving the new 18 speed non-snchro transmissions are taught to double clutch. New heavy trucks in North American are now non-synchro. They tried synchro transmissions years ago. Our trucks are away too heavy for synchro boxes. There are none today, except in light 5 and 10 ton trucks. However you are right re non manual transmissions. They are dumming down the industry in a desperate attempt to get more drivers. BTW, these transmissions are NOT called automatics. They are manual transmissions with a normal clutch, but are shifted by a computer, because very few people have the skill today to drive a real truck. It costs too much to train them and it is cheaper to just put automated manuals in trucks these days. I've been in the industry for 44 years and am appalled at many of the drivers today who too often are incompetent.
@@MerlynAStern As an european I'm curious to know what's the total mass of the truck + trailer fully loaded. Here the weight limit is 40 metric tons in most states, 44 t in some countries, and 65t, I think, in Sweden. I have read that the federal combined weight limit is 80 000lb = 36 000 kg(36t). That is less than european trucks. Does the federal limit apply to all states or do some have higher limits ?
Here most trucks made since 1990 or so had syncro boxes, and 95% of new trucks in the past 10 years are automated manual.
Good vid Pat....same box thats in the 105 SSC that i drive. Happy new year to you my friend and keep on trucking. Al
the most perfect video for me thanks thanks!!!!!!!!! godluck!!!
Damn auto trucks! Great Manual gearboxes, even with synchromesh.
thank you Tony
happy new year
Good job have learn many things from you from tanzania
+mudy Ali thank you Ali...-)
When you change split from low to high, do you need to press clutch ? Same question for low and high range...
yes to change....but you can prepare it before it only change of gear when you press on the clutch
My name is Alphonce from Africa Tanzania love so so much daf xf me in machanical daf and man maintanence welcome Tanzania
If I understand you, you pick a gear either high or low or split to maintain the proper RPM range for your transmission & engine combo? Tach should always read in the green band for good torque and horsepower?
exactly.....but i must say that i do it like this,without thinking ,
With my euro 6 i have not the same torque and the engines runs lower than with the euro 5 it is not exactly the same
Can someone please help have a 16 speed and often wrecks before going in gear what's causing that thanks.
I wish You and Your family all the best for the Year 2013 !!
Nice video Patrick
yes,thanks. nice videos
happy 2013
no Don ,you dont need it....it is like a car....haha
but i do it sometime when the box is cold or when i slow down for a round about and i am too fast ,like this i am sure to be in the good one
have a good weekend
Pat
I will watch the video in a moment, but that shift pattern looks like our standard 18 speed that I am very familiar with. Driven lots of them. You can split all low range gears and all the top 4 high range gears. We shift without using the clutch and if you are a 43 year veteran like me you shift with two fingers just like butter. It is called rev matching. On the other hand, our green drivers double clutch and grind like crazy. Quite funny to watch. OK now time to see the video. Can't wait....
Thanks Pat, very interesting. I need something like that in my office for my breaks. Chilling & shifting, hehe... - Happy New Year to all viewers, followers, subscribers etc...- Best wishes for a wonderful twenty13. :-) - Andy
Do any of DAF's at your company have 12 speed box's? because I know you can get them in DAF now as well, and were you loaded? I always found gear's on DAF a bit short so I would usually start with 3L and go straight to 4H, or from 3H to 5L and then select gear by gear without using the splitter as far the last gear but the load weight's wouldnt be great;) and have you ever tried to reverse with the highest Reverse gear on?I've tried once in a Volvo rigid which was 8 speed, mad stuff:D
haha...a daf lolo.....variomatic deluxe
thanks for your comment Bernhard
all the best wishes for you and your family for 2013
Nice information delivered 👍🌹👍
How do you operate the engine brake?
yes friday i have leave at 10:35 Coalville ,i was near J18 at 11:00
yes Tony ,it can be that one day we are on the same direction
no problem for the coffee...it will be a pleasure
have a good weekend
P
than,ks ,glad that it can help you
i prefer the xf95 over the xf105 because in the 105 the stick is angled forward which means you have to reach further forward to change gears as where in the 95 the stick is straight up and is right beside your armrest and easier to reach.
hi Andrzej
i do loaded 1L 3L 4L 5L 6L 6H.....etc and empty 2H 4H 5H 6H 7H 8 L 8H.....You know i have a 410 ,at 44tons you need a lot speed.....i know that you can have the ZF16S,the Fuller 18s and the autobox 12s of Daf
for the the highest reverse gear ,yes i use it often when i unload the train in the factory,there i must do some long reverse if i dont want to each time "u turn"...fast hé....with the trailer you dont have to miss the backing
HAVE A GOOD WEEKEND
p
some prefers the auto boxes ,it is true that it is great in the traffic jam,but for the normal drive and driving with the feeling ,the manual transmission is better.....but we are in 2013 and i think that my next truck will be with an autobox....in my company they test the new mercedes actros and the new daf 460 ,both of them with automatic
have a good weekend Marc
thank you sir.... you helped me alot....... thank you
you are welcome
thank you,this one is easy to use but i have liked to use the non syncro Fuller in the past......that was driving a truck....haha
30years that i drive a daf ....i have never break anything on the engine or the gearbox....but it is maybe because i dont drive like a beef....-))
thank you
happy 2013
ah yes Jonathan,with this one ,it is just like a car,just a little bit more speeds
thanks for your comment,glad that you have liked it
have a very good new year
Pat
THANK YOU Harry and Lucy
best wishes for 2013 my friend
Good evening sir you are doing a great job I drove 6 tyres Truck but is just 5spend gear sir I will like to be a big Truck Driver sir I'm from Nigeria
I come for shifter layout in my ETS 2. just want to know where is correct position of neutral for zf boxes. is it the same as an eaton which is between gear 1 and 2 or it's 3 and 4?
a cross.....just un the middle of 1234
@@7784Patrick Thanks, just too be clear so if you just push the shifter forward or back you won't go into any gears? it's either push to the left for 1 and 2 or right for 3 and 4? I'm also curious about the ZF 8 and 9 speed so as the volvo 12 speed, scs forum picture for ets2 is not that accurate because they all have N position between 1 and 2 which you only need to push forward or back for those two positions.........
Been there got the t-shirt 12/13 &16 including 13 on the column.
Happy new Year Patrick!!!
encore une bonne video... chez nous on a juste 3 Scania avec une boîte de vitesses manuelle... domage... encore une fois bonne année 2013 :)
I've seen on TV some time last year that you can buy now a DAF with 12 speed manual ZF;) I don't know how popular these box's are, the reversing on the high gear I did was almost seven years ago:D with deliveries to Tesco's now it would be a suicide:D
thanks for this nice comment Eric
no it is you my disigner for my truck.....haha....you must find a solution
good 2013 to you
Pat
thanks
have a good week
How does the 'little' 11 liter engine feel in comparison of the previous 12,9 liter of your former truck?
Paul Jonkers haha....a strange noise and not many difference of power with the 410....need more torque....but for my boss the diesel comsumption is better with this one,i win 3 litre for 100km with this one
Very good Pat. Just as good as Andy's vid, hahaha. Have a good one for 2013 also. Bonne route and KEEPER LIT.............
Buying a DAF with an Eaton gearbox is like buying a new laptop and hooking up a typewriter to it
say it to my boss
Excuse me, but I know that Daf uses ZF 16 speed gearboxes....... EATON was a long time ago..
yes ,all is possible,it depends of the weight that you have,it the road is going up and you are heavy ,it is ok like this
thank you Andy
have a great 2013
Pat
thanks for the comment
happy 2013
yes Paccar engines ,but the transmission is ZF ?the picture in the video with the eaton 18s was in my instruction book of my daf ,it is a mistake ,,it is nearly the same just that we dont have the 2crawler with the zf
have a good week
Pat
Hi Patrick,
Just I can drive the DAF lolo
Thank´s for the Instruction to drive, nice video!!!
Just I wish You and Your family all the best for the Year 2013
Bernhard&family
You the best teacher man
My Dad drove a Leyland Daf 95 with the bigger 380 engine back in 1989 would this have been the same box as on his truck?
yes nothing had changes....still the same
Good job man,drive safe!!!!
+Thunderboy 1 thank you
Thanx for video
thank you
Jay salut sa fait un moment que je te suis et je suis retourner sur cette vidéo car j'ai pas compris un truc (j'aimerais être routier plus tard j'ai 14ans) sa sert a quoi les boutons sur le leviers de vitesse ?
y en a un c est l etage et l autre c est les demi vitesse.....si tu veux c est un H pour les marche avant
.....bouton en bas....1.2.3.4
....bouton en haut ....5.6.7.8.....si tu veux la 5 me est à la meme
place que la premiere
et sur chaque position tu as une demi vitesse ....si tu veux une "0.5".....ce qui te fait au total 8x2 soit 16 vitesses en marche avant et 4 vitesse en marche arriere vu qu il y a 4 positions differentes avec les boutons
mais t en fait pas ,d ici que tu roules ,il n y aura plus que des boites automatiques
someone have started with auto boxes in usa also, i dont remember whic manufactor. but they call it auto-shift :) they still got some way to go, to make them alot better, our autoboxes choose the gears very intelligent after the conditions we have. To see how they make the autoboxes and the development will be interresting :) what i dont understand is american trucks have a distinct whining in the cabin, tha auto-shift had it even it wasnt a automatic, a special sound :)
Pat,
Do you have to double-clutch between each shift?
Don, California,USA
D. G. This transmission is synchronized, so you use the clutch like in a passenger car, double clutching is for un-synchronized transmissions, like the American Eaton Fuller Road Rangers, though experienced drivers (like myself) float (shift without the clutch)
i drove a mercedes earlier, i put it in reverse and pulled the joystick too many times when i had the pedal to the floor when i was going backwards a narrow bridge in downhill, cause the car wouldnt wait at the meeting place on the top. so it jumped in highest reverse gear. it was a rigid truck with a trailer, and thank god i was used to drive under container and use reverse a lot :) that was mad, i expected normal speed and not 40 km pr hour!!!!! :D
Hi, can you tell me if in the 95 xf and cf ,its the same thing?
Thnks
the video was with a 105......tes the 95 and 85 are the same just the sdift stick who is not at the same place
i dont know...maybe because it is more easy to use...here in europe for the moment it is the auto boxes for original and the manual for option...nearly 75% of the new trucks are now with autoboxes
have a good weekend
P
very useful for me
Haha...it is not hard when you realy use it....-)))
thanks for the comment Paul
great vid!!!
cidertom thanks
thank you
obrigado David
happy new year
P
Wow..... if i have good info Daf haves a Paccar engines. And gearboxes are from Eaton?
buon'anno Patrick a te e famiglia !
grazie patrick, anche a te! buona strada :)
Hey i have Q.
Is possible to go example :7h-8h or you first need 7h-8l-8h?
Tnx
no problem....it is up to you...you must feel how it s better....it is manual,you have to find your self the best gear,it depends how is the %of the hill,how you are loaded,how fast you are......if you start with truck and.if the road go down you can forget some gears,if the road climb you must use more
have a good weekend
In my Renault G260 I used the 7h-8l-8h at high speeds (which makes it effectively 14-15-16 sequence), 'cos the box is, crawlers included, an 18-speed box. The top gear was thus actually 18th. Top speed 115-120 km/h, depending on gross weight. Truck was heavy 'cos the cargo room was insulated against the worst freezing conditions.
Belle vidéo même si je n'est pas tout compris. Elle est bien adaptée pour le travail que tu fais avec se camion?
Romain Pereira ben oui
c est comme ça qu il faut l employer.....mais tu sais ça devient de plus en plus rare les boites manu......d ici 5 ans il y aura des chauffeurs qui n auront rien connu d autres qu une boite auto
Et bientôt plus besoin de chauffeur!