ONE Baffle Mini Suppressor: Does it Work?
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- 🔥 NEW VIDEO 🔥 Join me as I put an, uh, "innovative" baby mini-suppressor for .300 Blackout rifles to the test! This compact Aero Lahar-30 can features a unique design with only one baffle. But the big question is, does it actually work? Let's find out together.
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If the blast chamber was extended back behind the barrel threading...
Baffles are cool, volume is cooler.
That’s why I love AB Suppressors!
They're called "reflex" suppressors and a few different designs exist. They're less popular than regular ones though.
My man just invented integrally suppressed barrels
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No he didn’t.
As the comment above yours states, it’s called a reflex suppressor.
Vintorez for ex. It has like 4 inches extending back. Free volume,without adding to the length. That's cool too.
Out of the supressor videos out there, this is easily one of them.
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Its certainly one of the suppressors of all time.
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@@alexlevinson8629 Ok toddler
One of my Form-1 cans contains only three baffles, and it's been absolutely stellar. Not sure I'd be willing to bet on anything less, all things considered. Glad this was done, for silence...I mean science.
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This concept has a lot of promise, now we need to see tests of a two baffle suppressor and see how effective *that* is
Need to compare the flash and noise with MINI2/RC2 for a relevant comparison
I want to see 1 to 5 baffle budget suppressors.
This wasn't even a proper test for the single baffle since it was 1 ammo source without proper equipment. The variable baffle can concepts already exists, these one offs are for entertainment with the potential for short spree of marketable products.
The turbo k is a small 3 baffle guy. But it's kinda oversized for that purposely sacrificing performance to prioritize size.
I think the sweet spot is a blast baffle and 2 extras but with short spacing to keep size down.
I like what the Soviet engineers came up with for the Vepr, that amazingly simple Pringle can with a single "W" baffle calculated to cancel the wave-form of the 9×39 subsonic round's firing signature. Combined with using a cartridge that was designed to be low-pressure in the first place (basically a maybe-plus-P .38 Special in an expanded-neck 7.62×39 case, firing from a six-inch barrel so 6" - 2" = 4" .38 Special for muzzle blast). .300 Blackout seems like it runs much higher pressure than 9×39 does!
Just cutting a .223 Remington case off at the shoulder or the bend to start the neck should yield a more decent .308, .311, .318, .325, or .338 bottleneck case for a nice subsonic throwing a VLR at .38 S&W Special velocity and powder change. It still won't match the case volume of a 7.62×39 to lower pressure!
Got to love the tactical cat
One sneaky way to increase the effectiveness of a short, single-baffle suppressor is to increase the internal volume of the can, via making the fan fatter. That's the real "secret" to suppressors: volume. The baffles are only there to disrupt the flow of smoke a bit and help disperse any flash - since both of those things are visual indicators of a shooter's position (just like sound being the auditory indicator).
The single-baffle suppressor you have right now is has the same volume of, say, a redbull can. If you increase that overall internal volume to that of, say, a coke can, you'll notive a dramatic difference in performance.
Like the YHM Fat Cat!
The baffles slow the gas and create turbulence, both of which make the gas take longer inside the device, thereby using more energy to escape the muzzle. They aren’t just there to hide smoke LMAO.
Volume is definitely not the end all be all of suppressor performance. PEW Science has demonstrated this time and time again.
You're describing the YHM Fat Cat. Which is what I wish I bought instead of the T3 (though I still love the T3).
Add a wipe also
This little can looks about the size, maybe smaller, than just the expansion chamber on the old M.A.C. suppressors! I remember the 7.62 M.A.C. for the M-21 even had a purge valve on the expansion chamber, one reason why from the muzzle-end of the thing, at 100 yards, you didn't even hear the gunshot, just the 173 zipping by.
Until Uncle Scam stops stuffing his greasy fingers in my wallet for an additional 200 dollars a pop I can't justify the performance size tradeoff. Now, a modular can that comes complete and lets me choose baffles is a different story.
@@QIKUGAMES-QIKUit’s not as easy as it used to be. The feds have really cracked down on solvent traps and form 1 kits.
@@R.E.factor That's OK it's just a tube sectioned off. Plenty of plumbing supplies out there all pre measured to fit any pipes 😉
@@QIKUGAMES-QIKU Done that one a few times. Sammy still wants his payout and I'm normal enough to pay up for the "freedom" to do so and avoid hiring James in the process. (Hell, once the tax goes away I'd be more than willing to give Jethro's lathe special a go for the right price.)
@anchopanchorancho AS you mention.. plenty of Qaulified home workshops around.. Engineer's.. Plumber's etc ... I'm in Australia so imagine how easy it really is for you guys compared to us... 😁 😉
@@R.E.factorBro Lathe is life
One of the big benefits of suppressors other than sound mitigation, is reducing or eliminating muzzle flash to give away your location. I think that’s what this would be for over the sound aspect of having a longer suppressor.
Maybe test it in the evening for flash suppression?
I've heard people talk about how silencers increase flash like it's common knowledge, but then others talk about how it's the ultimate flash hider.
Which one is it??
@@CircaSriYak Depends on the suppressor. Quality cans made with that in mind, combined with military ammo with flash suppressant, eliminates most flash. Rate of fire, barrel length etc, also have an impact on this.
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Depends on the suppressor.
Some reduce it then others don’t.
Several variables factor into how a suppressor performs. Materials, length, baffle design, etc.
There aren’t many that “eliminate” it though.
@@CircaSriYak there isn't a straight answer. I'll explain. Design of the can, length of the can, first shot compared to follow up shot. All will show various results. I bet anyone out there with similar setups might have different results... but my experience?
I have 3 suppressors, but they are all from the same company so that isn't a great sample spread but I have the PBS1, Nomad30 and Sandman-L from Deadair. I have about 400 rounds through each. They have been on 4 different of my rifles. PSA GF5 AK, Arsenal Sam7SF both in 7.62 and 16", DD PDW .300blk and my 16" Rainier Arms RUC MOD 2 5.56. Nomad has an End Cap. On the Arsenal, shooting the PBS1 (Russian Style Suppressor) the first bullet, maybe even the second have tons of flash then barely anything. This is using standard wolf gold or Tula. The PSA is setup for the Nomad-L, it does not have this problem firing the same ammo.
I haven't shot the AR suppressed enough to really tell you one way or the other.
.300 blk through the Daniel Defense PDW running Nomad30 w/ End cap? running 220 grain Winchester not only do I get zero flash, but it also literally sounds like an air soft gun. you only hear the function of the rifle. It's smooth, quiet, and purpose built for my wife and daughter to be able to grab it in the night if I'm not home, turn the laser on and drop whatever the threat is. It won't blind them, make them deaf, and the recoil is so smooth they have zero issues getting on target.
Ti cans have a spark. There are tons of variables.
You guys talking about single baffle suppressors meanwhile I'm trying to figure out what the cats doing
I think something like this would have very good utility as basically an advanced flashhider.
It really hides the flash much better than an open cage flashhider. I imagine it would reduce dust kickup by a lot too.
Doubling as a muzzle protector, reducing the sound slightly seems like an added bonus.
I think if something like this were marketed as a cheap general purpose muzzle device it would do well. This is something almost everyone could benefit from on their guns. Full size suppressors are very cool but they are expensive and you usually have to make other changes to the gun for it to run well. Something like this would be cheaper and have less effect on gas operated systems which makes it more accessible to the general end user.
What I call a "muzzle muffler." You take an oil filter for something like a tractor or other big diesel, about 20 cm long and 8 cm wide (8" × 3", close enough), cut it open and remove the filter, insert a "V" or "W" -shaped baffle made from a tin can, thread the thing to screw back together, drill out the muzzle-end to about 1 mm / .04" bigger than the projectile diameter, and drill & tap to fit your barrel.
It doesn't, and isn't designed to, suppress a gunshot. It just doesn't allow the muzzle blast to come out all at once by deflecting and trapping the still-burning gunpowder that creates muzzle flash.
That size works extremely well for AKs.
This is exactly the way Witt Machine makes their cans, small and rugged. No barrel restrictions, shoot anything through them they simply don't care, they are tough. I used one of their .45 cans on a 10.5" AR10, took 50% of the nuclear explosion noise away and saved us from the crazy concussion on the range. I'm sure if it was a .30 caliber variant or even the 9mm can it would have been better. Personally, I prefer Kurz cans, unless you were hunting from a blind or stationary and just shooting from a bench.
AERO marketing needs to get on packing a Laharge or JamesReeves edition mini in a short shorts shaped case
I think if the NFA didn't include silencers, this kind of thing would be a lot more common and have a more justified market. Right now, with the $200 tax and the 6+ month wait, it just isn't worth it for most people to buy something that marginally reduces sound.
Seeing the Mossy leaning up behind him almost makes me weep. Thank you James, i bought my favorite budget shotgun ever after your burndown of that thing 😊
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It was noticeable but also still quiet. Seems like it works just like the old Moderators off the older Vietnam M16/xm177 rifles. Pretty awesome!
What I was thinking
You could use a "linear comp" like the Witt Machine slimline to accomplish the same effect as the mini suppressor, but no tax stamp and it's cheap.
@@marct8898 True, but they do drop the sound a few db and direct all the sound and pressure forward away from the shooter, so it has less perceived sound.
Gosh, James, you just made me blow my baffle. Talk about first round pop! 😂
Always funny when James shots on the Turkish shotguns haha. But I wouldn’t buy a baby suppressor, maybe one that as removable baffles but not a fixed shorty
Sweet little 300 !
Is the cat there for pawsable deniability? "No you tube, its a cat video, don't demonitise me"
My cat won't let me hold her like that, Zero Baffles.
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I had a custom 3 baffle can made for me. I wouldn't go less that that.
Hmm. Maybe a comparison to a linear comp? I’m wondering if it’s just the gas redirect causing the noticed difference. Maybe try it indoors for a better environment?
Novel and promising concept. Looking forward to Version 2 with data. Cheers 🍻
I'm baffled by this.
James making an advertisement for his new suppressor, disguising it as a YT video lol. I'd 100% support and buy a one baffle can though. I'm half deaf from playing in bands and being in the Navy, so any way to keep my hearing without adding too much weight or money is a godsend
Love my Lahar K, now want a flow through Lahar
I used KVP Linear comp on pcc's for years. Indoor performance worth every penny.
From my end i could tell your short can worked very well......Thanks from
an Old F-4 Phantom 2 Shoe🇺🇸
It took me over 20 years to come to understand how a suppressor actually works. It was a big reason for my interest in physics, engineering, and manufacturing. In it's simplest of terms it is a heatsink with the cooling fins on the inside. While not all suppressors work entirely on this method that is the general idea: more surface area, more turbulence, more cooling. Cooler gasses expand slower, and since the expansion of the gasses is what creates the air movement we hear as sound; it only stand to reason that the more heat we can extract before they can interact with the air the less report will be heard.
Ive always thought that it would be nice to have a very small super lightweight suppressor that would make my .308 hearing "safe" for one or two rounds. It would add minimal weight to my hunting rifle, and make hearing protection unnecessary for those couple of shots on a hunting trip.
Try a Witt Machine MOD1
Witt machine has been making the canooter valve suppressor for years. Its ~8oz, adds 3.2 inches to barrel length, and 1,1/8" in diameter. On my 12.5 faxon middy it's not uncomfortable to shoot without ears, no ringing, concussive blast, or headaches after long strings of rapid firing. It's a 5.56, so yes it's still loud but it sounds like someone shooting 180 degrees away from you at 50 yards away. Best of all I paid $208 before stamp and transfer fee when it was on sale, but it normally sells for $260 so still a really great price. If aero wants in on this market, they've got their work cut out for them but there's always more room for innovation here.
KITTY!!! 🐈 That's baffling!
For subsonic ammo, the one baffle suppressor would be just enough to contain the ablative to shoot it wet. Something tiny like the Thompson Machine Poseidon with water can sound similar to a dry full sized can.
Love the tac - cat in the video
Wow that is baffling 😏
Great video. We need more tiny cans.
Tuxedo cat!!! Best freedom cat ever!!
Looking at suppressor history this does make some sense for common use like all suppressors. The moderator on the XM177 for example cuts the noise by 4 decibels on an 11.5 inch barrel (not a suppressor but restricted as one by the ATF). Far from great however it allowed operators to run the gun without blowing their ear drums in a short barrel. Yes it's a poor example of suppression but it works. Another is the Gemtech Aurora. Made for downed airplane pilots it allowed for 10 shots at a diminished report to help evade the enemy if the need arises while also protecting the user's awareness of their surroundings. The JK CCX 9, a first of its kind "concealed carry" suppressor designed to take the edge off. A rifle suppressor like the one you demoed in the video does have some merit even if it's only slightly better. If we could ever deregulate them, I bet they'd sell quite well and you may even see them on hunting rifles in the field, especially on our long barreled magnums.
James, are you trying to spoil us? I'll taske it honestly.
Thanks for the upload man.
This looks like a good first step in the evolution of compact suppressors. Like James said, the added length is a bit of a turnoff for me, though it wouldn't be such an issue on my Tavor. Extra baffles, maybe? It looks like there could be room for up to three in that cylinder.
I would buy one . Seems perfect
I’ve been curious about a single baffle can for some time. Like you mentioned, shorter and lighter for home defense is a good thing. Even a 5-10 db reduction indoors, in a stressful situation, without ear protection would be a good thing.
I’d be interested to see how well an over barrel can that only adds that much length can do. It’d be a no-go for the Q Fix with that handguard, but you could add a lot of volume behind the muzzle on the Ruger. Considering Aero’s Enhanced and Quantum handguards having an internal diameter of 1.78” IIRC, they’d be wise to use an outside diameter for the suppressor of say 1.75” (maybe less to reduce heat transfer) and also account for the length from muzzle to gas block on an AR. For .300BLK, I’d be thinking of a can that would work on a 7.5” barrel that has a pistol length gas system and typical non-adjustable gas block. That length of over barrel would still work for all the 8-9” barrel lengths without giving up too much internal volume while also allowing extra space for adjustable/non-standard gas blocks. Probably be wise to come up with a QD muzzle device system so that guys wanting to run it on a 5.56 don’t get a 1/2x28 to 5/8x24 thread adapter stuck inside the can. Simpler might be to include a thread adapter with a castle nut type of side (which would need to go castle side to shoulder of the barrel). Best would be to have the over barrel portion of the can be the part with the threads and be an interchangeable component so you’re not stuck with one thread pitch/over barrel length, but making that compliant with ATF/NFA BS would probably be more difficult than the design itself.
glad you finally addressed the elephant in the room at the end of the video: "The Chode" would have to be the name of that suppressor if it were commercialized.
Neat video and very interesting! What is that chest rig you're using?
It looks like you made the 300 blackout version of the Bowers Bitty for 22lr. It has enough suppression for 16in, and takes the edge off shorter lengths.
Still waiting on a new mailroom episode.. I like watching the joy slowly fade from James
I also really wonder how the one baffle suppressor compares to the HuxWrx Blastphemy, because it could be the redirection of noise that gives the perceived reduction in sound, and a non-regulated device could accomplish the same thing.
Definitely a tone shift and a bit quieter. Could be a good cheaper option for hunters. Or for outdoor ranges to lower overall db.
I worked up an excellent subsonic 300Blk accuracy load for my 9.5” AR15 that’s fully kitted out including the obligatory JP SCS that is good even in -35°F without going supersonic and cycles reliably. I tried the same load in my 16” Ruger American and at least 40% of the time the rounds go supersonic and if the temperatures drop that number increases. My accuracy also was less consistent. So I tried making a separate load for that which helped but anything that will stay subsonic in the Ruger and accurate, doesn’t have enough gas to reliably cycle the AR in cold temperatures. So I basically have to have separate loads for the two rifles or SBR the Ruger as well.
A mini flow through would be the future i think
For the follow-up test I'd compare the "shorty" to a linear compensator and or a blast can. The divertion of the gasses forward might have the same effect? Without the taxes and the year wait.
I was going to add that a single baffle can sounds a lot like a flash can or Krink muzzle device, the comparison to non-NFA items would be a good baseline.
Yup, I'd get one cause it looks badass...
The cat is the best part of the video.
Here in Maryland I was always told trying to get a suppressor was futile... Decided to actually look into it and it has nothing to do with state level nonsense... Just started the suppressor process today!
Damn James at the rate that gray is coming in Clint will be calling you pops next summer at the ranch.
The last time I read about one baffle suppressor, it's called moderator (on the CAR-15) or muzzle booster (on the AKS-74U or the Maxim Defense PDX). Basically, it's both reduce the muzzle flash and a little bit of sound
You need to reduce the mic gain to make the unsuppressed shot just barely clip yellow in your audio feed. Then lock that gain in for your suppressed shots. This helps capture "real" suppressor sounds better. You clipped audio on suppressed and unsuppressed, so yes they sound they same since the impulse measured the same on your audio graph. I am working to "better" suppressor reports on my channel; folks who want to know more can check it out over there.
TY JIMMY!
IV8888 would be a good tester. Chad seems pretty thorough when it comes to testing suppressors.
"more complicated and longer" was my nickname in highschool.
I would rather have a long quiet one. It thank you for your vids lovem
a lot of people would say that suppressor is average size
If you want to minimize additional length then get a suppressor that slides over the barrel, like the old Ops Inc did and I think it’s Griffin that’s offering that same design. I think about 1/2 the suppressor slides over the barrel allowing do a lot less length while still giving you the reduction of a full size.
I really enjoyed this video bro. i started watching you around 1-2months ago, and your content is very good. My real question is, Ok so a one baffle supressor does this, what about a 2 or 3 baffle supressor? might need ear pro probably of course, but in theory this could cause a lot of comfort for the shoorter even if the shot is not fully supressed. regardless of 1 or 2 or 3 baffles however, this short-baffle device seems to work an an excellent flash hider and aid a bit with ear issues like tinnitis incase of lack of ear protection in an emergency.
try it with one of those thread caps that increases the volume, the one that goes behind the barrel.
the tone gets higher with the suppressor
A great neat very interesting very delicious video and rifles and the sound suppressor Mr.Reeves.Just like the tahini with garlic puree.Have a good one.
The muzzle flash was almost totally gone with the short suppresser. That's worth the money right there.
"Wasn't expecting much from the looks of it" 😂
I can tell the difference not much but it's there for sure good review thanks James
Jimmy you have some really cool toys
As a fan of 18-20 inch barreled ARs this is something I'd actually be interested. Just a little 1 to 3 baffled suppressor with maybe an over the barrel style mount like on the M110, or more specifically the Griffin Armament OTB system since that doesn't chew up the barrel like the original ones at the cost of not going as far back. I'm not as concerned on sound performance as much as flash and position concealment for something like that with it only adding 2-3 inches instead of 4-6. I'm pretty confident if it wasn't for the NFA it would already be a common set up on 16-20" ARs
Thanks for the video.
If you are going to do a comparison, the valuable comparison would be the one-baffle suppressor versus a linear compensator. A linear compensator doesn't reduce the overall sound level of the shot, but the linear compensator pushes the sound forward and can make the sound less hurtful to the ears. I don't know whether the reduction is enough to reduce actual damage to the ears, but the reduction is enough to make the sound less uncomfortable. That can make a linear compensator a good option to put on a self-defense firearm that one may have to use without hearing protection.
Obviously, a full test with a good sound meter should include unsuppressed shots and shots with legitimate suppressors. I'd love to see all of the data.
If I'm going to go to the expense of buying a tax stamp and having my name on the ATF list, I think I'd want significantly better performance. Even if that means having only two baffles to keep the size small. If they want to market something like this, they need to do the real tests with one baffle, two baffles, and three baffles to see whether there's a sweet spot that produces good enough suppression while keeping the length small.
I'd also be interested in what results they'd get from shortening the initial expansion chamber and then having two baffles so that the final product would be that same length but would include a second baffle.
If we ever do the right thing and remove suppressors entirely from NFA regulation, I'm sure that companies will give us all kinds of innovation in sound suppression. I'd love to see that happen.
"What did we learn here guys? Not much." 😁Fair assessment. Still glad you tested it though, at least now we know.
Or don't know.
Small suppressors are good for "knocking the stupid off". Especially indoors and good under nods.
The way you run the bolt on the Fix, keeping your shooting hand thumb on the bolt, reminded me of ye olde british SMLE thumb and pointer finger on bolt, middle finger trigger pull technique. You should give it a try on the Fix and see how it works out on a modern pistol gripped boltie. Maybe it'll up your game and you can dominate bolt action shooting competitions, probably it wont but you never know.
I could see this as a nice way to carry in a pocket until ready to use maybe even a way to user service baffles, but for serious use I would definitely want something with redundancy and welded for longevity.
Speaking of baffle…..I’m baffled James’ cat laid like that for so long.
You should look up the 7.62x42 SP-4 ammo. It silences itself without a suppressor. The blast pushes a piston that launches the bullet. The gas never escapes the cartridge.
You sent me down a rabbit hole with this
thank you, this is going to give me something to really dig my teeth into. I knew nothing about it!
The issue is that it would be impossible to make that ammo at home and probably pretty difficult to do commercially
I remember reading about those Russian rounds years ago. The case has to be very sturdy to contain the blast pressure, which understandably makes the rounds expensive and much more difficult to manufacture. I recall that they made two pistols that fired the cartridge, a break action breach loader, and an autoloader. Meant to be an “assassin” pistols for KGB or some such, so not sure how those rounds would perform at range. Super neat concept though.
@@michaell8269Not "assassination pistols," but close, and not for the KGB at-all.
Are you familiar with tunnel rats during Vietnam? Similar job for soldiers in Afghanistan; go cave-crawling looking for captured soldiers to recover, and find mujahideen leaders to capture or assassinate. Super-short range engagements to remove sentries inside the tunnels. You either time it so that the sound of impact coincides with a cough (dusty, cold, tunnels between cave sections), or you push in to contact so that even the slap of impact is trapped.
“Pot metal shit sticks” and “starship Fukin Troopers” are good band names
Yep, I'd buy
Its normal sized and fully functional!
I could see this use case working great when you’re trying to be really short - .300BO Maxim MDX or SIG Rattler at 5.5” direct thread in a bag for example.
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Yo James, I'm curious about the 391st Bold Tigers patch on your wall. I did 6 years in the air force at mountain home and deployed with the 391st! Pretty cool to see on YT randomly. I'm also from Louisiana 😂
I dunno, this stuff about suppressors and how they work is hard to understand, it has me _baffled_
:D
I can say from experience that my results were roughly the same with rifle calibers but I also have a mini chode .22 can that is amazing with subs on a 16" .22 AR. If you use that mini with .22 you would be surprised how quiet.
You’ve brought up a point. Why we can’t buy a suppressor that reduces the noise but doesn’t make a rifle super quiet. Thus avoiding all the bs you have to go through to buy a multi baffle suppressor.
Technically, you go thru the SAME BS for a one baffle suppressor as you do for a 10 baffle suppressor. There are suppressors that you can buy where you can reduce the length by reducing the number of baffles that you choose to attach..
Waiting time is not going to change however.
Im surprised I havent seen a comment about KACs MCQ can. The talks about just taking the edge iff s gun is literally why its being made
When are we gonna get a review of that Mark 0 Attack Feline you’re open carrying? 🤔😜
calling Ruger the "Kirkland brand" was a big brain lawyer metaphor and straight facts
The cat! LOL!
This has some serious “Sandman K at home” vibes
I use a 5.5” 300 Blackout with subs and a 2 baffle JK Suppressor for home defense. It’s the best option for not blowing out your ears indoors.
For PP I can definitely see some viability of this and it really just looks like a diffuser of some type