If you get the Arctic PST version, you can daisy chain the fans, eliminating the need to buy splitters, i only have 3 fan headers so this saved me another £8-10 or something. P12 1800rpm perform very nearly as well as Noctua NFP12 redux 1700rpm for less than half price, not including the required splitters.
Interesting review. I've been using Arctic fans for a while, I have eighteen P14's on a Mo-Ra 420 -- all running well, no infant mortalities and very quiet. I hope Arctic introduces a P14 Max.
I used the old P14 for three years and based on what I hear sounds familiar and in the same time well improved , like keeping the good ol'features but improving all the rest. great quality/price. Keep up the honest and good work mates!
Yeah, well, P12 Max to the rescue. One of these helped keeping the temps in my vertical towered SAMA IM01 REALLY low. Looking forward to see them work their magic on my future system, which is going to feature the SilverStone Vida 240, ie. with a 22 mm thin rad!
I've bought 3 LFII 280. All 3 came missing AMD mounting screws, Arctic did respond very quickly with replacement screws on all 3 occasions. Recently, two PCs started making extra noise and I found broken fan supports. I e-mailed Arctic and let them know I replaced all 4 fans with Noctua Cromax ones. I did look into RGB fans, but so far, Lian Li only sells them in 3 packs. The "Swafans" same thing. The new P-12s may be really good fans, but I've had ONE Noctua fan fail in 6 PCs I've built for myself, friends and family. The components in the X-78 are still going strong. I do like the cooling performance of the LFII, but the thicker radiator size does make installing them a bit of a challenge and the stock fans are reasonably quiet. If you want an AIO, the LFII line performs really well.
Just put 9 Artic P14 A-RGB in my 750CTE , and.. they actually used 4 wires for the RGB so the a-rgb control run over ALL fans linked. I can control each led of all the 9 fans individually, them guy's KNOW what they are making :P
I bought these for my Ryzen 7950x a few months ago. They keep it cool enough to overclock the CPU to 5.40 Ghz on CCD1 and 5.25 Ghz on CCD2 (at ~20*C ambient). I too use them on the Arctic Liquid Freezer II 360. Beware that some P12 Max fans are prone to early rattle. I had to replace 1 of the 3 fans after just a week of usage due to this. There's a reason they are this cheap. Thankfully, the replacement they sent me back has been running rattle free so far. All in all, I'm pretty satisfied with it. Can't really beat that price and performance. :)
What I've heard is that they might rattle at lower speeds but typically stop when you turn the fans up. Good to know about how well it cools the 7950X though. I bought my LF II 360 to put on my Ryzen 7 7700X but plan to upgrade to a 16 core most likely after Zen 5 comes out.
Thanks for a video with no music and for using fast-forward to save us from the boring parts. When I saw the new fan wobbling at 00:56 I knew the fan's longevity would be questionable. ARCTIC might say the fan only does this during its "Break-in" period. If you think this is normal, please let me know if you want to buy some lovely oceanfront property in Kansas?
Great comparison. Was interesting to see the performance/noise difference between the P12 and Max. Ive a couple of systems running LFII 360 AIOs but they are still performing fine so i dont need to upgrade to the Max fans. I have noticed some low RPM humming from the original P12's so it might be worth the upgrade if the Max fans eliminiate that.
The annular ring around the impeller blades is the important change from the older P12. It stops the blade resonance at certain RPM which was unavoidable if the P12/P14's ramped up and down on a controller. I substituted a couple of the RGB P14's (with the ring) for the standard ones for that reason. Hopefully Arctic will release a P14 Max.
What I did for cable management was similar. But I also turned the fans so the cables ran between the fans in the dead space. Another case use for these is with a cheap AIO. Like a Frostflow 240 you can pick up for like $55. Swap in 2 of these is still significantly cheaper than other mainstream AIOs.
I just wouldn't trust the really cheap AIOs to do well long term or do a better job than a high quality air cooler like a Thermalright Phantom Spirit or Scythe Fuma 3, both of which are around the same price or cheaper than that AIO. At only 240mm there are quite a few air coolers that can cool just as well or better. It's only when you go to 280mm and bigger do you get where the liquid coolers have an advantage as far as time to steady state (how long it takes for the cooler to get hot) and overall cooling. I think it was Steve at Gamers Nexus who said they don't even test below 280m anymore because it's too small and air coolers are too good against small AIOs these days.
Isn't the new Arctic Liquid Freezer III coming out soonish, anyway? Supposedly, it has a new pump with a larger fan and angled connectors on the side... 🤔 Btw, if you want to have similar cooling performance to the P12 Max but with a lower noise profile, slap some Silent Wings Pro 4 on the AIO. Not cheap, but fun with hand tuned fan curves. 😎
Great review of these new fans. I noticed you have the Arctic Summair Plus in the background which also uses this fan. Any chance of a review on that product?
Did Arctic improve QA for these? The first batches were notorious for having rattling bearing noise that was very noticeable if you try to run at lower RPM's and it reflected on Amazon reviews. I tried one of these and bearing noise was a deal breaker.
Cant really argue with the pricing. Yes they are premium prices but it's not going to break the bank is it? Especially when you look at the overall budget on a build.
Interestingly they have made a usb fan with very similar design to p12 max and i bought one of it P12 max sometimes doing promotion and the price drop even more , ordered 10 when it launch
There are at lest 4 revision for the Arctic P12 and the differences are extreme like we can see in the Igors Labs fan testing. The newest revision also blows an Noctua NF-A12x25mm produced in 2020 out of the water. So if you could be more specific which one you used?
Can the CPU fan header actually handle all of this properly? if it's 0.29A*3 and I guess the pump also pulls similar numbers my mobo can only supply 1A, so I'm wondering if I can just buy a sata powered hub and connect that to cpu_fan header. and everything LF2 related to the hub.
Yes, I found this to be a good solution for managing cables. But if you don't want to see any cables at all from the front the other way is to do it like I did in the video. Either way works well. 👍
does it have pst cable support / included or not, bc in the site and HW canucs vid on the 1 pack, it wasn't included and only have 4 pin and no pst connector
I did wonder what difference the max's would make, I have a liquid freezer II 240 cooling a R5 5600. I dont think they would make a difference in my case. 😊
The LF II has always been one of the top AIOs especially under noise normalized tests. All of the coolers that cool better are much louder but when you turn them all down to a quiet sound level the LF II wins most of the time.
If your max rpm is 1k, and you need 1k 24/7, clearly you have the wrong fans. Any fan over 1K-1.2K is audible. Some well below that (Corsair ML, or EK Vadar). T30 is the quiets I’ve used, same noise level as Noctua but better performance. Extra thickness help. If, at idle you need your fans at 70, 80%, under load you won’t have much headroom. Ideally you should be able to have your fans at 50% or less idling, then increase under load. My NV7, o have no gains going over 60%. Run the D30s at 40%, and 50% under load. All I can hear is the 4080 fans and some coil whine in one game or another.
AT about 1.272v for 5.4 and 4.3, mine is being cooled in the 280 version (which should perform roughly as well), and during that same 'test'/bench software, my hottest p-core is 87 (85 and 84 most common for other p-cores). Just what is your temp measuring, and if it's the hottest p-core , I want to know what magic pixy dust your sprinkled on your processor or if its some average of all cores then I request you CZcams channels be more honest about your temp data. Or you know, lets trade our i9's =-P ;-)
Something fishy about this video. Says he already ran tests with the P12 fans, but then we're shown footage of installing the AIO and peels plastic off the block? Different AIO than was tested before?
Video isn't always filmed in sequence, nothing fishy going on at all. But believe what you like. I have absolutely nothing to gain from falsifying any testing/results.
*whirs* These fans are junk, unfortunately. I have used P120 arctics, which were "ok" but had frame issues which could cause the fan to collide, looked at these Max versions and seems arctic learned nothing, still the same nasty bearing that click and whine at 400/800 rpm, and then resonate a strange noise at around 1200rpm.
I wouldn't say junk. Yes, I've noticed the whirl at low RPMs too, but they are fine if you are not easily bothered by noise. I guess it's the bearing they use. For the performance at this price range you can't expect perfection. There will be drawbacks and trade-offs when reducing cost so much.
How does anyone have such a meaningless life that they feel the need to comment on how someone breathes, then adds a smug LoL on the end? It's a shame you took a breath after your mum gave birth to you. No one in the world would have missed your existence. What a plant pot.
Thank you for taking a look, James.
Nicely done video! ❄
why didn't you use the p12 max fans on the freezer 3?
It was probably to keep the price lower. I think a premium version with Max fans would be a nice option to have and that it would sell well.
Like how he managed to hide the excess cabling from the new fans very neat job there.
I liked the way you hid the wires. Thanks for review.
thanks!
If you get the Arctic PST version, you can daisy chain the fans, eliminating the need to buy splitters, i only have 3 fan headers so this saved me another £8-10 or something. P12 1800rpm perform very nearly as well as Noctua NFP12 redux 1700rpm for less than half price, not including the required splitters.
Interesting review. I've been using Arctic fans for a while, I have eighteen P14's on a Mo-Ra 420 -- all running well, no infant mortalities and very quiet. I hope Arctic introduces a P14 Max.
I used the old P14 for three years and based on what I hear sounds familiar and in the same time well improved , like keeping the good ol'features but improving all the rest. great quality/price. Keep up the honest and good work mates!
Once again a very informative video from James. Takes you through the whole process. I'm still scared of messing with my AIO though.
Yeah, well, P12 Max to the rescue. One of these helped keeping the temps in my vertical towered SAMA IM01 REALLY low. Looking forward to see them work their magic on my future system, which is going to feature the SilverStone Vida 240, ie. with a 22 mm thin rad!
I've bought 3 LFII 280. All 3 came missing AMD mounting screws, Arctic did respond very quickly with replacement screws on all 3 occasions. Recently, two PCs started making extra noise and I found broken fan supports. I e-mailed Arctic and let them know I replaced all 4 fans with Noctua Cromax ones. I did look into RGB fans, but so far, Lian Li only sells them in 3 packs. The "Swafans" same thing. The new P-12s may be really good fans, but I've had ONE Noctua fan fail in 6 PCs I've built for myself, friends and family. The components in the X-78 are still going strong. I do like the cooling performance of the LFII, but the thicker radiator size does make installing them a bit of a challenge and the stock fans are reasonably quiet. If you want an AIO, the LFII line performs really well.
Just put 9 Artic P14 A-RGB in my 750CTE , and.. they actually used 4 wires for the RGB so the a-rgb control run over ALL fans linked.
I can control each led of all the 9 fans individually, them guy's KNOW what they are making :P
I love this. In depth reviews of cooling fans. Cant get anymore hardcore than that!
I bought these for my Ryzen 7950x a few months ago. They keep it cool enough to overclock the CPU to 5.40 Ghz on CCD1 and 5.25 Ghz on CCD2 (at ~20*C ambient). I too use them on the Arctic Liquid Freezer II 360. Beware that some P12 Max fans are prone to early rattle. I had to replace 1 of the 3 fans after just a week of usage due to this. There's a reason they are this cheap. Thankfully, the replacement they sent me back has been running rattle free so far. All in all, I'm pretty satisfied with it. Can't really beat that price and performance. :)
glad to hear it!
What I've heard is that they might rattle at lower speeds but typically stop when you turn the fans up. Good to know about how well it cools the 7950X though. I bought my LF II 360 to put on my Ryzen 7 7700X but plan to upgrade to a 16 core most likely after Zen 5 comes out.
Thanks for a video with no music and for using fast-forward to save us from the boring parts. When I saw the new fan wobbling at 00:56 I knew the fan's longevity would be questionable. ARCTIC might say the fan only does this during its "Break-in" period. If you think this is normal, please let me know if you want to buy some lovely oceanfront property in Kansas?
lol 😂
The P12 max are amazing for the price, I've got 2 in my case and the airflow is brilliant.
Yeah they are great have some myself. ❤
Great comparison. Was interesting to see the performance/noise difference between the P12 and Max.
Ive a couple of systems running LFII 360 AIOs but they are still performing fine so i dont need to upgrade to the Max fans.
I have noticed some low RPM humming from the original P12's so it might be worth the upgrade if the Max fans eliminiate that.
The annular ring around the impeller blades is the important change from the older P12. It stops the blade resonance at certain RPM which was unavoidable if the P12/P14's ramped up and down on a controller. I substituted a couple of the RGB P14's (with the ring) for the standard ones for that reason. Hopefully Arctic will release a P14 Max.
Good fans. Got some for my son’s new rig. Good performance. Don’t have any noise issues. Yet !
What I did for cable management was similar. But I also turned the fans so the cables ran between the fans in the dead space.
Another case use for these is with a cheap AIO. Like a Frostflow 240 you can pick up for like $55. Swap in 2 of these is still significantly cheaper than other mainstream AIOs.
Yes If you wrap the cables around the fan frames it does a very good job hiding the majority of the wire.
I just wouldn't trust the really cheap AIOs to do well long term or do a better job than a high quality air cooler like a Thermalright Phantom Spirit or Scythe Fuma 3, both of which are around the same price or cheaper than that AIO.
At only 240mm there are quite a few air coolers that can cool just as well or better. It's only when you go to 280mm and bigger do you get where the liquid coolers have an advantage as far as time to steady state (how long it takes for the cooler to get hot) and overall cooling. I think it was Steve at Gamers Nexus who said they don't even test below 280m anymore because it's too small and air coolers are too good against small AIOs these days.
That noise level at max 3200 rpm is insane!
Just like with every fan with that speed.
I just bought a 5 pack yesterday. The BeQuiet Silent Wings prices have gotten insane.
How much are they now ?
@@iamahappybunny7640 Silent Wings 4 are $30 each. I got 5 of these for the same price.
Isn't the new Arctic Liquid Freezer III coming out soonish, anyway?
Supposedly, it has a new pump with a larger fan and angled connectors on the side... 🤔
Btw, if you want to have similar cooling performance to the P12 Max but with a lower noise profile, slap some Silent Wings Pro 4 on the AIO. Not cheap, but fun with hand tuned fan curves. 😎
Great review of these new fans. I noticed you have the Arctic Summair Plus in the background which also uses this fan. Any chance of a review on that product?
Good job James. Lovely fans
Quite a nifty CPU block on that AIO like it.
Did Arctic improve QA for these? The first batches were notorious for having rattling bearing noise that was very noticeable if you try to run at lower RPM's and it reflected on Amazon reviews. I tried one of these and bearing noise was a deal breaker.
Tried and returned because of that. Assumed it was an expected behaviour of the longer lasting bearing type used. Same issue with Asus TUF PSUs.
Replaced mine too. They were fine on the replace.
Same here they were horribly loud
Bearing noise on the samples we tested was not noticeable at low rpm.
@@lucifersheadscarf6988 The value 5 pack is new, I'm so tempted to get it and gamble on better quality control lol.
I recently bought 9 p12 max to use on my 2 builds
Thank you, I was thinking about doing exactly that with my Arctic Freezer II
they need to make a white version of the liquid freezer already
I like arctic cooling products. It’s been a bit of a bad year as I’ve seen little enthusiast releases. At least they brought something out
Love my P12s and P14s. Will probably switch to the Max's should I need more at any point.
Yeah I’m going max soon. Good article this.
@@ElonStevens-gf1zv thanks!
Nicely done James. Good performance testing.
when are the 140mm versions coming
Cant really argue with the pricing. Yes they are premium prices but it's not going to break the bank is it? Especially when you look at the overall budget on a build.
Nice video!
Can you test the same thing but with the ryzen 7000 series, to see if the temperature is lower or if performance is better?
Is so timely 😅😅
I am looking to build fist new rig in 6yrs and i am this deep down the rabbit hole again😂😂
Interestingly they have made a usb fan with very similar design to p12 max and i bought one of it
P12 max sometimes doing promotion and the price drop even more , ordered 10 when it launch
Amazing
good review
Thanks 😊
There are at lest 4 revision for the Arctic P12 and the differences are extreme like we can see in the Igors Labs fan testing. The newest revision also blows an Noctua NF-A12x25mm produced in 2020 out of the water. So if you could be more specific which one you used?
There's only one P12 Max fan to my knowledge.
@@vigilant_1934I think the white or RGB ones have fluid dynamic bearings or something
Why not showing sound at lower RPMs? Sometimes fans have uncomfortable sound at 600-800 RPM or something.
Great video
Ordered a set to replace my old noisemaker Corsair’s.
Official Artic Ebay ship just offered me 5x pack for 31€ and free shipping.
I guess that and this video settled that debate and purchase 😅😅
Can the CPU fan header actually handle all of this properly? if it's 0.29A*3 and I guess the pump also pulls similar numbers
my mobo can only supply 1A, so I'm wondering if I can just buy a sata powered hub and connect that to cpu_fan header. and everything LF2 related to the hub.
You should coil up the cable around the fan befor attaching those.
Yes, I found this to be a good solution for managing cables. But if you don't want to see any cables at all from the front the other way is to do it like I did in the video. Either way works well. 👍
Can somebody explain the proper installation of chassis fan & as well as having a dual tower air cooler? TIA :)
time to do the liquid freezer 3 review
czcams.com/video/i37TQdarHHY/video.htmlsi=N-ivu8fHPugeb4An already did
does it have pst cable support / included or not, bc in the site and HW canucs vid on the 1 pack, it wasn't included and only have 4 pin and no pst connector
I did wonder what difference the max's would make, I have a liquid freezer II 240 cooling a R5 5600. I dont think they would make a difference in my case. 😊
Probably not a worthwhile upgrade, you may see a slight improvement in noise at the same RPM.
Hello. So with this fan, does the Liquid Freezer gets to the top of the coolers?
The LF II has always been one of the top AIOs especially under noise normalized tests. All of the coolers that cool better are much louder but when you turn them all down to a quiet sound level the LF II wins most of the time.
Could you use these in a different application for example a non AIO cooler or for exhaust fans on case?
Yes they are suitable for use on CPU air coolers, AIOs and as chassis fans.
If you need fans running more than 50%, unless under short periods, your cooling solution is lacking behind.
If your max rpm is 1k, and you need 1k 24/7, clearly you have the wrong fans. Any fan over 1K-1.2K is audible. Some well below that (Corsair ML, or EK Vadar). T30 is the quiets I’ve used, same noise level as Noctua but better performance. Extra thickness help. If, at idle you need your fans at 70, 80%, under load you won’t have much headroom. Ideally you should be able to have your fans at 50% or less idling, then increase under load. My NV7, o have no gains going over 60%. Run the D30s at 40%, and 50% under load. All I can hear is the 4080 fans and some coil whine in one game or another.
AT about 1.272v for 5.4 and 4.3, mine is being cooled in the 280 version (which should perform roughly as well), and during that same 'test'/bench software, my hottest p-core is 87 (85 and 84 most common for other p-cores). Just what is your temp measuring, and if it's the hottest p-core , I want to know what magic pixy dust your sprinkled on your processor or if its some average of all cores then I request you CZcams channels be more honest about your temp data.
Or you know, lets trade our i9's =-P ;-)
They are nice, but makes horrible noise when running at 100% as front chassi fans. Changed mine for the good old Noctua Chromas. So much better
My jaw dropped when I read this. I bought noctua chromas a while ago and they had a weird tone pitch shift which drove me nuts. 😮
Have you heard Noctua industrial at 3000rpm?
You have to be running your system pretty hard to warrant this type of upgrade.
Instead of taming the 13900k, get a Ryzen 7950x3d instead. Similar gaming performance, but uses 100 watts less power.
Ryzen are easier to cooL.
Anybody tellme good fan for router ?
What’s with all the whine comments ? I bought these fans last month and they run very quiet
QA on the first release on this fan was a crapshoot, not sure about newer batches.
P14 Max ftw 😁
DONT OVER TIGHTEN. these rad threads strip easy
The breathing was to much had to cut it off early
We will ask him not to breathe so much next time.
I mean. A simple edit on ur end next time would probably do. Or some sort of filter lmfao. But sure have him not breathe that works
Something fishy about this video. Says he already ran tests with the P12 fans, but then we're shown footage of installing the AIO and peels plastic off the block? Different AIO than was tested before?
Video isn't always filmed in sequence, nothing fishy going on at all. But believe what you like.
I have absolutely nothing to gain from falsifying any testing/results.
i only buy gentle typhoon and Noctua NF-A12x25 PWM
*whirs*
These fans are junk, unfortunately.
I have used P120 arctics, which were "ok" but had frame issues which could cause the fan to collide, looked at these Max versions and seems arctic learned nothing, still the same nasty bearing that click and whine at 400/800 rpm, and then resonate a strange noise at around 1200rpm.
I have them and love them. Not junk !
I wouldn't say junk. Yes, I've noticed the whirl at low RPMs too, but they are fine if you are not easily bothered by noise. I guess it's the bearing they use. For the performance at this price range you can't expect perfection. There will be drawbacks and trade-offs when reducing cost so much.
Why you breathe like that when screwing/unscrewing the fan? Lol
I see you got a lot from the video
😂
And Leo doesn't breath while building an pc 😂
How does anyone have such a meaningless life that they feel the need to comment on how someone breathes, then adds a smug LoL on the end?
It's a shame you took a breath after your mum gave birth to you. No one in the world would have missed your existence.
What a plant pot.
over 6 mins for changing 3 fans.... yea, I think everyone only needed a 15 sec note.