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The 14 Rules of Discernment (with Fr. Timothy Gallagher)
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- čas přidán 18. 08. 2024
- St. Ignatius laid out 14 rules for discernment in the spiritual life. Fr. Timothy Gallagher breaks those open for you in this conversation with Christopher West.
The Discernment of Spirits: An Ignatian Guide for Everyday Living: www.frtimothyg...
00:00:00 Introduction
00:01:25 What is Discernment of Spirits?
00:05:32 Connection to Theology of the Body
00:09:13 Consolation, Desolation & Tranquility
00:13:18 Shame in Desolation
00:16:01 Rule 1
00:18:06 Rule 2
00:22:09 Rule 3
00:22:52 Rule 4
00:25:01 Rule 5
00:32:23 Rule 6
00:42:06 Rule 7
00:42:28 Rule 8
00:43:08 Rule 9
00:44:07 Rule 10
00:45:52 Rule 11
00:46:31 Rule 12
00:47:17 Rule 13
00:52:24 Rule 14
00:53:18 Advice for Married Couples
01:00:16 Positive Rules
01:02:03 Being Present at the TOB Audiences
01:06:10 Conclusion
16:07 begins summary of 14 rules
16:10 rule 1: action of spirits when we're turned away from God
18:10 rule 2: action of spirits when turned towards Him
22:11 rule 3: experiences of spiritual consolation
22:52 rule 4: experiences of spiritual desolation ('wait a minute' moments)
25:03 rule 5: in time of desolation (no shame, no surprise), do not change spiritual commitments made in consolation
32:31 rule 6: act against desolation (prayer of petition, examination, suitable small counteractivity)
42:15 rule 7: set of thoughts to reject desolation (God allows desolation because we can learn to reject it and therefore grow spiritually)
42:35 rule 8: be patient in desolation (don't give up a 30 minute prayer at minute 29)
43:05 rule 9: good that can come from desolation (rejection of desolation bears fruit)
44:10 rule 10: use time in consolation to strengthen for next desolation (widening our stance on the bus for the bend ahead)
45:51 rule 11: be humble in consolation and trusting in desolation
46:32 rule 12: stand firm in beginning of temptation
47:15 rule 13: share heaviness of desolation with someone competent whom you trust.
52:29 rule 14: learn your point of vulnerability (probably a repeating pattern) and use spiritual tools to strengthen it.
Thanks so much for the info
Doing God's work
Thank you for this great and beautiful learning from you.
Thank you!!!!
I am distracted by.the interviewer..he is repeating what Fr. Tim is.saying...waste of time.
I had Fr. Gallagher at the cloisters on the platte in Nebraska. The Ignatian rules are the language for us to recognize the Divine as God uses our bodies for His will. They freed me from the chains of sin. Thank you eternally Fr. Gallagher and St. Ignatius.
Great interview, but was extremely distracted with Fr. Gallagher getting interrupted several times. I honestly felt it was the enemy cutting him off right when Father was about to say something critically important. I really appreciate this information being condensed into something easy to understand… Thank you! 🙏🏻
I agree the interviewer interrupted the Priest too frequently 🙏 Need to hear more of these spiritual conversations/teachings 👍
I think host was just doing his job since it was an interview or conversation. But they could change format to have priest only talking the whole time if that is what audience of wants.
I felt your @Heidi comment negatively affected my otherwise great interview experience😢... It must be the enemy who distracted me..
I disagree, I feel like the interviewer encouraged fr gallagher to share as much as possible.
When Father Gallagher looks at the camera I feel like hes not looking at me but looking and speaking to my soul. I wanna hug him !😭 I will be praying for him so that Momma Mary my protect him and allow him to continue to teach.
I love you both!!! Thank you!!! ❤
Thank you for watching! God bless you.
thank you so much FR.. I COULD LISTEN TO YOU ALL DAY.
Isn’t his voice so soothing? May God bless him.
please stiop LECTURING Fr Gallagher so WE CAN HERE HIM. PLEASE
I think host was just doing his job since it was an interview or conversation. But they could change format to have priest only talking the whole time if that is what audience of wants
@@cricketjem119 Lot of people does interviews. This is too much interruption.
Love Fr Gallagher’s teachings. Thank you Father for sharing your God given wisdom.
Thank you so Much Father Timothy!
Thank you so much for sharing this conversation! This came at exactly the right time for me. I have had a really draining week at work, and I was feeling a lot of stress and discouragement. But when I realized I was dealing with desolation and I asked God for help, everything seemed more manageable. The Lord has really blessed me through both of you and your openness and humility.
Thank you Christopher West for your humility 🙏🏼 I teared up every time you shared something especially by the end when you shared about humility in marriage. There’s much Holy Spirit in you, thank you. Please don’t listen to the negative comments here about “interrupting” because it’s a conversational interview and you’re just showing your interest and respect for Fr. Gallagher. You did a great job as an interviewer and it wouldn’t be the same without your sharings.
Thank you, Fr. Gallagher!❤️✝️❤️
Fr. Gallager has made such a difference in my life! Sharing the rules yes, but also his compassionate way . Such a warm Father image.
I was a very active in the church and then moved and went back to college. I got so busy and had lost connection by moving. I see now, not knowing these rules I just took them as my thinking. Eventually, surrounding myself with people who thought this and also had negativity towards the Catholic faith. It took 20 years to get back and to just wanting to heal some things so I could let go of of the Catholic church but not have negativity. That was not God's plan😊. I ended up recieving reconciliation and came back to communion the following Sunday, which happened to be Divine Mercy Sunday. I wish I would have known these rules 20 yrs ago. I certainly see how the enemy impacted negatively.
This teaching changed my life years ago… Why isn’t it taught to children??? We are forced to memorise dogmas while this would help so many people to have a personal relationship with God. Fr. Gallagher is the best 😇
Very glad I came across this video!
When JPII now St John Paul II, came to manila for the World Youth Day, I was watching him on television and I cried too, I don't know why but I did. He exudes holiness and I felt it.
Just beautiful. I understood so little before but this interview was just beautiful. I ordered the book. Please pray for me. A very blessed Holy Week and joyous Easter to both of you.
Where are you from?
Prayers!!
This is very edifying and elucidative. Thank you, Fr. Tim, and to this channel as well, for sharing this. May God always bless you all.
I am a new Catholic convert and experiencing a lot of struggles. I am so happy i found out about this video and these books that seem to address all the issues I’m facing.
I am trying to decide which book to choose first: the Everyday Living version or the Marriage version. I am struggling in my marriage most. I keep repeating sins that relate to marriage. Can anyone suggest which of these to begin first?
God bless you. I don't know the answer to your question, but I wanted you to know I am praying for you and your battles in your marriage. Keep showing up and striving to do better, pray for your husband, pray for your marriage, and beg God for the grace to withstand the temptations you are facing. Based on what you've said it sounds like the marriage version might be more helpful to you at this moment in time? After you've read that you could read the other version as well? Check out Dan Burke's The Devil in the Castle as well, hopefully, that is helpful. Pray often, keep the interior mental prayer going and pray with your husband. Keep showing up, even when you don't feel like you're getting anywhere or your mind is distracted.
@@rebhen8008 Thank you very much for your prayers and suggestions. God bless you!
Thank you Fr Gallaghar and Christopher for this conversation. It is very good and inspiring. Alleluia.
Spot on. So that's what it's called! I'm thankful that I came across this talk. Very timely. Very helpful. Thank you!! God bless you and Fr. Gallagher 🙏
He’s trying to explain but the host keeps interrupting and filling in the ideas himself. Let the expert speak. It’s so distracting and it just keeps getting worse as the interview continues.
I think it is the way interviews are done to make it a conversation. Perhaps they could just do a video of the priest speaking the whole time if that is more effective.
Well I understood. In everything. Every decision you have to ask. God O the. Holly Spirit. And it works enormously ❤
Thank you. I needed to hear this.
Good video, thank you very much, God bless you!
this is absolutely awesome that i came across this. i have been in a funk the last month and its been upsetting me bc i felt more now than ever in my life I am more active in my praying and attending mass weekly. i say my rosary every night and a few prayers through out the day but just been like distant in my head and didn't know what to do about it or what i was doing wrong. this gives me so much hope and peace. THANK YOU i saved this video to share with my husband and others.
I learned this from saint joyce meyers
I am a writter too and it helps me too
Thank you but please let the guest speak. It is unfortunate as this could have been such a great interview
Christopher is so excited he can’t help but jump in all the time! The difference in their personalities is so much fun to see together. Great conversation. Loved this video!
Yup! He kept jumping in.
At 37:21 - Why is this coming back again! you said. An attack and desolation - man; is that what it is! So good to know. Lord save me. Its not always immediate but good to know! My wounds will shine with glory. Powerful! I think I actually get it. Where else can we park our sufferings than with Christ and find salvation.
Romans 8:18 The sufferings we endure will be nothing compared to the Glory revealed in you!
Thank you for sharing.
Priceless!!! Thank you for this. Much needed atm. God bless. xxx
Thank you for sharing this. I had a few wake up call in the conversation which will help me in the future in my spiritual life.
this is such an amazing conversation i am so glad i saw this video today,
Thank you for watching!
This was absolutely wonderful. So much wisdom in this conversation. Thank you both 🙏🏼
Excellent program!
One of the best hour investments I’ve made in a long time!!! 🎉 so wonderful
Great to hear!
Thank you for this
Ho my. God it’s so interesting. I will have to learn the rules. But I now how to follow end put into practice. It jus got me. And I I’m feeling so good. Yes. I will learn the Rules
Wow thank you guys so much!!!!
Merry Christmas
And
God Bless🕊💜🕊
Please let the guest speaker speak more
Please don't interrupt Fr Gallagher at critical points, very distracting but thanks for asking him to say rule.
I have to agree with this. I caught myself also distracted. But nonetheless, great and helpful podcast.
I think the host is just doing his job; it is the way interviews are done to make it a conversation as was the format of this video. Perhaps they could just do a video of the priest speaking the whole time if that is more effective.
He needs to learn not to keep interrupting !!!
You can buy the book,
"Discernment of Spirits."
@@susanedghill6597 yes l totally agreed with you and the rest.
T.y. Fr. Gallagher for accepting this interview. Going to order the Discernment of spiritsbook. Just curious how far out your appointments are for the New Jersey area 2023 ? 2024 ? I know a group that would love to meet you. We will first order the books. T.y. for speaking about the examine prayer. I'm trying to learn the rules.
Excellent.. Christopher try not to interrupt him.
I think host was just doing his job since it was an interview or conversation. But they could change format to have priest only talking the whole time if that is what audience of wants.
@@cricketjem119 You have to know when to properly interrupt; Father Gallagher was trying to answer the question about Rule #5 and Christopher interrupted him unnecessarily kind of like how Father Mitch conducts his interviews on EWTN - all for the glory of Father Mitch
@@jerryrobertson4422 Some do agree with you. Personally, I didn't find it distracting and had no problem with the host doing his job this way because I saw it as more of a conversational format of an interview. I think the host would have to sort of take control at points of interview or react, to show the host is engaged in the topic and listening. I understand there is a playlist posted of the priest talking about the rules (think there is no interruption in this case).
@@cricketjem119you should play back the rule 5 section. His interruption was poorly timed. It was off-putting.
@@cricketjem119you're an idiot
This playlist of Fr Gallagher going through the 14 rules was ground breaking and life changing for me.
czcams.com/play/PLqueiEKHoJeew_3p6vdkJ2WVXD_0qUQ3G.html
Thanks
Thank you.
That is great Eric!!!! Thanks so much and God bless you!
I don't know why the interviewers of Fr Tim Gallagher insist on talking and interrupting a true expert - the interviewer is NOT the expert
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Fear is not of God helps me dicern spirits- the enemy knows it worked in the past for me
Couldn't find a better thumbnail photo for Fr. Timothy?
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Sorry... I find Christopher's comments distracting....not useful
I think it is the way interviews are done to make it a conversation. Perhaps they could just do a video of the priest speaking the whole time if that is more effective.
I would ask you not to interrupt the person your interviewing so much. Let them speak to the end of what their saying. It’s very distracting. Thank you 🙏🏼
What is “perfectly possessed”? I know Malachi Martin mentioned situations where he knew of people who were perfectly possessed. I’ll summarize, he said they seem perfectly normal, and you wouldn’t even know there was a possession. They could touch holy water, hold crucifix’s, receive communion, and not show any signs of the possession. 😮
But I’ve never heard anyone else speak on this or give a real explanation or definition of what the perfectly possessed are like. Considering these difficult treacherous times we are in, it seem more and more people are narcissists. Something like the scripture in second Timothy about what people will be like in the end times or are they actually perfectly possessed?
Oh this was sooo delicious!
The resistance is transforming ?
How do we know when desolation comes from the enemy, and when it is merely our brain chemistry reenacting childhood trauma? Or does it even matter?
I want to purchase book !!!!!!
hi Mr West. I have a question that is not for public eye unless I understand your answer first in prived. Is there an e-mail address for me to send my question?
Fr Gallagher is a Saint in the making. He has so much good stuff. Chris, you interrupt too much especially as he's about to share important stuff about rule five. I was going to subscribe. But you're to difficult to watch brother.
I think the host was just doing his job to make it an interview or more conversational. If audiences just want the priest speaking, it wouldn’t be a conversation. But maybe they could change the format if the audience wants only the priest speaking. I think we could request it in a more polite manner because a few of the critical comments sound a bit harsh the way they are worded.
Father, should I go to the bathroom now or should I wait 3 minutes?? And once I get there should I use towel or fan to dry?😏😜😜
Hello i,m quiet interested with this channel
Welcome!
@@TheologyoftheBodyInstitute i will like to know more about this institute.
I can't hear these videos. Is there a way for you to record at a higher volume?
Where may I buy y our book please? Disenment of the spirit!
This is Fr. Timothy's book. We highly recommend it. www.amazon.com/Discernment-Spirits-Ignatian-Everyday-Living/dp/0824522915
Interruptions are distracting. Christopher, you ask a question and then interrupt. For example, consolation, desolation and the time of tranquility….
Perhaps have questions at end only. Maybe a moderator could pick out better ones from rolling chat as go along and put the Q's together at end.
Gorgeous talk otherwise!
Please don't interrupt
Amen!
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Hey guys Im from Mexico and get publicity for Jehovah witnesses 😅 before the video
No voice
The host was annoying me so much. He kept interrupting Father over and over again. 🤦♀️
Deny yourself knowing nothing is of you but of god or the enemy discernment is of the spirits like the spirit of the lord spirit of wisdom the human spirit the demonic knowing what spirit is attacking you
Let Father talk! No 1 rule for interviewing: let that person talk, and if it is a Jesuit priest, for God's sake, let him talk.
Gallagher is pronounced as Gallaher phonetically.
I actually never liked you, Christopher. But I can see how wrong I was in witnessing your humility. I ask your forgiveness.
No seriousness.
The father looks creepy
Has anyone heard of the St Malachy prophecy of the Popes?? Pope Francis = False Prophet
Why Roman catholic Church is leading Christians to hell by promoting that all religions lead to the same God, Mr. Priest Timothy?
That simply isn't the teaching of the catholic church. Period.
@@nathanbustamante1525The Roman catholic Church is promoting that all religions lead to the same God. Period.
How about a citation or quote? Some kind of evidence?
@@nathanbustamante1525 clearly confused and out of context, the comment i mean. Some random non catholic who came upon the vid. I do hope they're interested to listen though and learn something new.
@unspokentruth Your statement is not true. Catholics do not believe or teach that. All religions do not lead to the same God. Christianity is true. With that being said, depending on the knowledge of each person, God can judge based upon their knowledge. If a person never learned about Jesus or God, they cannot be judged the same way. God is almighty and can do whatever He wants or chooses. He can save whoever He chooses. Now, if a person has learned about Jesus and the commandments, etc. the judgement of the same person May be different depending on how the person lives in relation to knowing what he knows and whether or not the person follows the teachings he has learned and knows is right. If a person chooses to follow his best moral judgment to the best of his knowledge, God may choose to save him. But we as Catholics believe that we have the fullness of truth and we need to follow that truth of Jesus and need to share that truth as Jesus wanted.