"It might seem crazy what I'm bout to say.." 😨 House of the Dragon Season 2 Ep 3 REACTION & ANALYSIS
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Regardless of what Alicent believed from the get go. Before Visery's body was cold Alicent walked into the council chambers with Otto already plotting Aegon to the throne. Alicent's misinterpretation just gave them more justification in the end but was Otto's plan no matter what Visery's said on his death bed.
geeta patel (the director of this episode) said something really interesting about the ending sept scene: that internally, it wasn’t so much rhaenyra going because she truly believed she or alicent could stop the war at this point, but because she wants and NEEDS to know the truth about her father’s final moments. she talks abt how in episode 8 when viserys forces himself out of bed to defend lucerys’ claim, it was one of the few times rhaenyra felt truly “chosen” by anyone, and this desperate trip to king’s landing is mostly a last ditch attempt to know: “did my father love me?” which i just think is so good.
logistically it’s kind of a silly scene in how many leaps they have to take to get there and how dangerous it is for rhaenyra to do, but i think its such a vital interaction: now rhaenyra knows her father did not abandon her in the final moments of his life, and can go to war with that in mind; alicent cannot hide behind the idea that she has been acting only in accordance with viserys’ wishes (especially to herself, which clearly haunts her most of all - the “choice” was never hers to begin with and really nobody ever needed her permission to put aegon on the throne.) also im just happy to see olivia cooke and emma d’arcy play off each other even if it’s just for a little while, because they are so so good together.
A not so fun fact, the girl in the bar that was smack in the bum, is the same girl that Aegon did the dirty on season 1, some people think that alicent got her kill...
Aegon would have been crowned regardless of Alicent’s belief that Viserys wanted Aegon to be king. The council would have done so without her but gladly excepted her misunderstanding so that they could possibly profit from her.
The misunderstanding is not the reason the usurpation took place but it’s what gave Alicent a reason and made her feel less guilty. Now it’s like the floor was swept away from beneath her and she needs to rethink everything, even her own identity and place in the world.
I think this is the birth of a “new Alicent”
i think carson secretly likes the bald look
I like it too 😅
It’s growing on me as it marinates
But I look too much like my dad lmao
@@BOLDcastI’m sure your dad appreciates that 😂
@@BOLDcastdread it run from it, we all become our dads eventually
Bald Carson jump scare!
"Was this in the books?"
Absolutely not lol.
about what ?
@@mastouriedam5845 the septa rhaenyra scene
did you just say that Gwayne was chill affter showing up making a classist komment saying taht he dislikes the Dorinish and then leaving?
I mean Cole deserves some slander what can I say
Couldn’t tell if he was an asshole in general or just being an asshole to Cole
Carson kinda pulls off the bald look.
This episode looked ao good, the direction was on point throughout. The budget must be insane.
Carson looking Hot balD
Cringe
This was a conversation that had to take place between Rhaenyra and Alicent. Now Alicent knows it was a misunderstanding and still supports her son and Rhaenyra knows her father supported her until the end. Both are firmly on the war path.
i LOVED seeing alicent’s reaction of how bad she fucked up when she realised the king was talking about the conqueror, too funny
Condal really did a good job portraying harrenhal in this episode. Aside from the dragons we havent had much magic in hotd its glad to see thats changing going forward
32:14 I think he did tell them "a son for a son". It was a rash and revenge fueled decision, so now that he's faced with the reality of him having ordered the decapitation of a child in their sleep. It's not sitting well with him.
People seem to forget that the council was already plotting to put aegon on the rhrone ling before viserys died so it was gonna happen either way even if alicent never heard the prophecy
Alicent didnt choose an interpretation. Aegon is the name of her and her husband's son and all they ever talk about in the line of succession. Why the hell would she ever think hes talking about a guy who died a hundred years ago.
I was convinced that they would return Laenor as Adam Hull, for reasons. But then Hull showed up.
I love that you all understood right off the bat, so many people I see don't get the Alicent situation as you said you can't just go big oopsie and undo this stuff. It really is too late
Harrenhal is very far from kings landing, coke might not get to harrenhal for a while
2 hr reaction. 😮 Impressed.
The Burning Mill cut scene was immaculate & got the point across about the brutality of war...Feast for Crows. It was also baiting & switching the audience for the actual battle next episode. GoT did it constantly in s2 before Blackwater. Overloading with battles takes away the novelty. Let the casuals who complained about it stick to their mindless action flicks. Meanwhile targ stans mad about Ulf & Baelon? Oh no, a royal prince sired a bastard & water is wet! Where did they think those dragonseeds came from? Look at the timeline even in the book & it's clear some rather recent Targaryen in KL was fooling around. Helaena's "I forgive you" is a prophetic present tense literary device. She's talking about something that hasn't happened yet...the window. Brilliant writing! Finally a depiction of Harrenhal that actually gives it the look & feel of a cursed, haunted castle. The weirdwood reaching out to the Isle of Faces, yearning for its kind, almost! Goomer Daemon's ideal vision of Rhaenyra being stuck at 15 year old. Scary. The "I swear to you on the memory of my mother" clapback is the best line of the series so far. And lastly, Rhaenyra is not whitewashed. Her treatment of Rhaena was a sign that Rhaenyra will ultimately be submerged by the system she's trying to change. She will leave everyone disillusioned, which is the point they're making about the immutability of autocracy. Rhaenyra's subtle selfishness & ego has been so beautifully characterized. Placing her sons & heirs above all, asking her own orphan step child to play surrogate, all in the place where said child lost her own mother. No remorse & a complete cognitive dissonance. Rhaenyra is such a triumph of adaptation I have so much faith they’re going to manage to successfully pull off her tragedy. She hypocritically outsources motherhood to Rhaena & assigns her that passive feminine role. As a character Rhaenyra is most fascinating when she's forced to navigate & perpetuate the gendered structures she despises & wishes she could transcend. Rhaena is clearly straining against the fact that if she has no dragon she is to be relegated to childcare while Baela gets at least some freedom (or the illusion of it). The show is giving Rhaena a nuanced dimension to be dissatisfied with this position (the book doesn't give her much of anything). Conflict is good! & Rhaenyra’s central conflict- that to gain & retain power within a violent system one must perpetuate those violences, no matter one’s honorable intentions- having its seeds sown here is just really smart writing.
ALL HAIL THE ̶B̶A̶L̶D̶ BOLDking
5:26 I've been a game of thrones fan for over 10 years and i never noticed that Tyrion wore a hand of the king necklace during blackwater
17:45 also this scene convinced me of y'alls theory on Adam (or Alan, can't remember) being his son.
*Fans saw the opening scene with Blackwoods & Brackens taking everybody's lives & leaving no winners & were like "anyway! When are the main characters gonna start killing each other??"* Starting by showing the human cost of war should’ve been enough to grasp why a peaceful solution should be sought after to the extreme...& yet. Multiple characters all thru the episode comment on how cyclical violence begets violence & perception of blame is manipulated. Like Lord Simon says "the reason is lost to time". Rhaenyra wears Jaehaerys the Conciliator's crown: Rhaenys is literally spoonfeeding the theme in a way GoT never bothered to do! If GoT came out today ppl would be crying about Tyrion giving Cat Ned's bones & trying to negotiate Jamie for the girls! “Why they still trying to prevent a war & seek peace!! Bad writing!" All of GoT s2 would be considered filler! Ofc the Sept meeting didn't make sense to Targ stans, Daemyra shippers & "I want Aegon vs Rhaenyra war movie" Greens. Cause they're so adamant in not understanding the focal point of this adaptation : Rhaenyra & Alicent being torn apart by feudal patriarchy. That despite everything, they still care for & value each other. You don’t even have to perceive their love as romantic. But outright denial, letting your prejudices dumb you down & make you refuse to even engage with what the story has made abundantly clear is wild!The complain about logistics is hypocritical as Daemon goes to KL in ep1. Daemon is a man so when he does crazy things it’s awesome & cool! But Rhaenyra goes off the deep end & it's weak, passive & dumb! "What happened to her rage?" A six year old child was murdered in her command. God forbid she goes thru internal conflict after that. Or think of Alicent's arc as a man : *"a boy who was raised to always do his duty no matter how high the price; has a moment where he mistakenly believes all his sacrifice might've been worth it for the realm, then slowly realizes there's too much blood on his hands to stop." Ppl would be obsessed.* But a complex female character gets "she's so dumb" or "she's a b word". *Alicent didn’t place Aegon on the throne cause she misunderstood the prophecy; the prophecy simply gave her an acceptable justification for doing what she had to do. It was a tool of self-deception. Which was made clear when Alicent brilliantly used the "I swear on my mother" line which Rhaenyra used as a lie in s1.* Alicent’s wants were of no relevance. *Aegon would've been placed on the throne with or without her support. Her placing him there just granted her a degree of influence over him.* Hotd acknowledging men's violence isn't "gender essentialism". These men are violent cause they were taught that they have the right to be. Nothing sexist about the two female characters pondering the reality of a brutal war as they've been subjected to this everyday violence the most. "But Alicent & Rhaenyra's kids should come before their love". Exactly...they have the most at stake. Have you considered the best way to protect their kids is to stop killing each other? The kids are already dying. Aegon is about to be disfigured & paralyzed. Ofc Alicent would want to do anything she can to stop this. But she is destined to fail. Which is the tragedy. Many women tend to be in denial about the harshly realistic portrayal of Alicent & Rhaenyra's every walking moment being a struggle against misogyny (like Rhaenyra's sexist council) cause they have the girlboss fantasy of how they would've "done things differently" if put in these situations.
Didn’t a expect a MR WORLDWIDE cameo on the Channel.
It’s Alys Rivers the women at Harrenhal.
Are they gonna finish s2 of Invincible?
hour 20 min discussion. what we like to see. thanks for the reaction/posting
damn bro the hair cut😁
what's up with the elevator music, lol
Fr it's kinda annoying, but probably copyright, might be why they posted late?
Edit: It's only the start, later there is no music
We’ve used the same music for intros for literally years
Is it really that bad? It just copyright free bgm
@@BOLDcast not talking about the music when u talk before starting the ep, that's fine. I'm referring to the music put in the blackwoods and that family war scene, now I think that was there by mistake cus it disturb the mood and there is no copyright in the scene
Carson Fantano core
People seem to be more shocked about incest between Daemon and Rhaenyra than Aegon II and Helaena. I don't understand how Alicent could have allowed it.
Sunshine she's here, you can take a break?!?
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Carson is looking really good.
I like the bald look. Weirdly charming. Like i just can't be mad at a guy who looks like that.
How many subs until Carson grows a beard and commits to dwarf-maxxing?
Unpopular opinion- short hair looks better on him
Luke is never beating Corlys’ fav grandkid allegations 😂
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where is your hair bro
you somehow managed to look worse than cole's with his new haircut
Estoy arta de q esta serie dicen q las mujeres no quieren guerra solo los hombres 🤷 q tiene de malo q las mujeres quieran guerra y defender lo suyo
La guerra empezo desde q le usurparon el trono luego murio luke etc no se por q rhaenys dice q no se sabe cuando empezó la guerra lo q pasa q quieren acer es q las mujeres no quieren guerra 🤷
Otto desde el comienzo quiso su familia en el trono por eso uso a Alicent para casarse con viserys y en el capítulo anterior no es q este arrepentido si no q no tiene el mismo poder por q sabe a aegon no lo puede manipular como lo acia con viserys 😅
estoy de acuerdo en que esa frase de Rhaenys se sintió media forzada. fue sólo para seguir con la temática de "los dos bandos" y de "los conflictos son eternos" blablabla que a mi no me gusta mucho, porque torna gris y complejas cosas que son muchas veces muy fáciles de saber, sobretodo en etapas tempranas. pero bueh, tienen que seguir marketeando la serie como "¿Team Green o Team Black?" xd
igual, aparte de esas pequeñas cosas, creo que la serie ha estado bastante bien escrita.
@@felipeaquitral pues si pero no sé cuál es el miedo q le tuvieron a Acer a Alicent un personaje más fuerte si no q solo es la amiga sufrida de rhaenyra y por eso le dieron la historia de q entendieran mal lo de viserys para q ella fuera más parte de la usurpación del trono pero bueno solo esperemos lo mejor ahora q ya pasó esa estupida conversación 🤷
Que malo que los personajes sean grises en vez de solo blanco y negro, piensan antes de escribir cabros? Sbbsbsbbsssb
@@cochayu_yo y parece que tú tampoco po xd no me refiero a que los personajes no deban ser grises, me refiero a que los conflictos (y ciertos conflictos, no todos) no tienen por qué ser "grises", que es distinto. enlodar innecesaria y artificialmente un conflicto solamente para reforzar la típica tesis de "los dos bandos" y de "el conflicto de origen incierto" me parece, irónicamente, ver el mundo de manera suuuper simplista, facilista y blanco y negro.
la frase de Rhaenys se siente artificial y extraña porque podemos saber perfectamente el origen de este conflicto: es una lucha de poder por quién es el heredero al trono, algo que el rey anterior dejó absolutamente claro durante años. no es una lucha de quién le pegó a quién primero, eso es secundario y hasta incidental.
@@lalesskahernandez9903 no sé, es que siento que ese es su personaje xd no necesariamente ser "sufrida", pero básicamente ir siendo robada de tomar sus propias decisiones por otros desde que era una niña.
lo del malentendido es sólo otro momento en que algo que ella decidió en base a sus creencias (que Aegon fuera rey porque le entendió mal a Viserys), fue aprovechado por otras personas para forzar otros acontecimientos (el Consejo Verde conspirando para que Aegon fuera rey desde mucho antes que Alicent decidiera nada).
siento que quizás no es un personaje que uno diga que es "fuerte", pero es súper interesante y complejo. además, Olivia Cooke, le rezo
I think its kinda understandable why the rhaenyra's council started snickering, bickering etc. Rhaenyra has been incredibly indecisive and a terrible leader during what is obviously already a war. Her go2 plan is basically to ask people to send her an army and hope for the best.
Shes well intentioned but its obvious shes a frustrating leader
I hope we're done with the "wear cloak" scenes, this show can be absolutely stellar when they don't force unnecessary stuff
I actually find it hilarious that some people think that rhaenyra and rhaenys are making good or smart decisions😂 like sending the queen into enemy territory by herself is literally the dumbest possible thing anybody could do during a war how could anybody think that was smart???? And it was for nothing because rhaenys says outta her own mouth that Otto would never have allowed that assassination attempt so she knows he’s not pulling the strings anymore so if she knows they overruled Otto why would she think that alicent has the power to stop or change anything??
Wasn't for nothing, it gives Rhaenyra certainty that her father never doubted her granting her much needed conviction with her decisions going forward, and it further sinks Allicent into guilt and despair knowing how monumental her fuckup was which will lead to interesting decisions on her part going forward. It wasn't a smart decision but it was great for both characters
It wasn’t a lack of military options that was preventing Rhaenyra from mobilizing her armies, it was guilt, which was the theme of the episode.
The uncertainty in her heart gave her doubts. Now that all doubts are rectified, both her her own mind AND in Allicent’s, she can act in pure righteous recompense. At least as far as lords and ladies are concerned, but the show doesn’t seem to actually care about the small folk in a real way. The story does (Otto’s outburst for example), but the show itself doesn’t seem as consistently concerned with a war torn countryside unless it has dramatic merit in the moment.
What I’m saying is, although the show is wishy-washy in terms of what constitutes righteousness; if you wanted a show purely about military strategy, you’re consuming the wrong story. Using the strategic merit of one’s actions as a measure of their intelligence is flawed because this is a series about the heart in conflict with itself.
@@BOLDcastThe plan was dumb anyways, Alicent couldve had her captured right then and there and ended the war. Also Alicent has no power over anyone idk why Rhaenys and Rhaenyra thought that convincing Alicent to sue for peace was going to change anything lol. And her thinking Viserys made Aegon King had no bearing over anything because Aegon wouldve been made King regardless by Otto and the Council, it literally didnt matter what Viserys or Alicent thought. They had Aegon usurping Rhaenyra planned for years.
@@neotekilla exactly
@@neotekillaanybody thinking that killing rhae would've ended the war is on some type of drugs..