Learning to like prog metal (challenge level: impossible)

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  • čas přidán 14. 06. 2024
  • What are the best examples of progressive metal? I take your suggestions and ask if I can learn to like progressive metal. What are the best progressive metal bands?
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  • @FinnMckentyPRMBA
    @FinnMckentyPRMBA  Před 9 měsíci +13

    Come hang out on Twitch! www.twitch.tv/finnmckenty

  • @nicholasadams81
    @nicholasadams81 Před 9 měsíci +193

    Chat: "This is prog for people who fuck" Finn: "Well let's not get carried away" I CACKLED

    • @aviationsband
      @aviationsband Před 9 měsíci +27

      This was the funniest shit I’ve heard in a while, I think I scared my neighbors laughing 😂

    • @Richardhats1
      @Richardhats1 Před 9 měsíci +7

      @@aviationsbandYou guys are incredible. Please never stop making music!

    • @fail_master_z
      @fail_master_z Před 9 měsíci

      ​@@aviationsbandSpotify discover weekly showed me you guys a while back, yall are killer!!!

    • @moodown
      @moodown Před 9 měsíci +1

      25:57 btw

    • @jabronijosh3346
      @jabronijosh3346 Před 3 měsíci

      Chat needed to calm down a little lol

  • @jasons2210
    @jasons2210 Před 9 měsíci +199

    I took a girl I was dating to a Dream Theater concert because I didnt want to go by myself. I dont think she enjoyed it too much, but she went for me so I greatly appreciated it.
    Also for some reason she decided to marry me so I guess it wasnt that bad.

    • @Quicklost182
      @Quicklost182 Před 9 měsíci +11

      Hell yeah brother! 😎
      Has she been able to acquire the same taste of music eventually?

    • @jasons2210
      @jasons2210 Před 9 měsíci +28

      @@Quicklost182 Nah, but we share music taste in other genres. Prog metal isnt ever going to be for her and thats ok lol.

    • @kdogg7882
      @kdogg7882 Před 9 měsíci +6

      I took future wife to see Sparta at the Middle East in Cambridge Mass. She suffered through waves of shitty local bands and didn’t like Sparta at all but didn’t hold it against me.

    • @isaacjamesbaker
      @isaacjamesbaker Před 9 měsíci

      Well done!

    • @mountainpeakcloud8442
      @mountainpeakcloud8442 Před 9 měsíci +3

      That’s when you know it’s true love… when they are willing to go to a prog show, and don’t split up with you at the end of it.

  • @thomasanthony5021
    @thomasanthony5021 Před 9 měsíci +79

    “Prog became more about what’s in your head and not what’s in your heart.”
    Maynard James Keenan

    • @thejammydodger1839
      @thejammydodger1839 Před 9 měsíci +2

      Such a flicking Maynard thing to say

    • @duartelucas5746
      @duartelucas5746 Před 9 měsíci +1

      Tool... errr... Pretty cerebral 😆

    • @christiankoll1528
      @christiankoll1528 Před 9 měsíci +3

      So Tool wrote songs about what's in your butt.

    • @erikberg8352
      @erikberg8352 Před 3 měsíci +3

      @@christiankoll1528 Tool wrote songs about what's in everybody's butts

    • @christiankoll1528
      @christiankoll1528 Před 3 měsíci +1

      @erikberg8352 indeed. Semantically, "You" is plural, although it excludes the speaker. And in this case, the songs are about my butt as well.

  • @Hathajoy8
    @Hathajoy8 Před 9 měsíci +90

    As far as I’m concerned, Devin Townsend is one of the best you can ask for when it comes to prog. Incredible musician, but doesn’t forget to write actual songs with actual hooks. Incredible talent.

    • @crazyahmed7103
      @crazyahmed7103 Před 9 měsíci +6

      I miss SYL.
      Liked them way more than his solo stuff.
      This coffee Alien album was good though

    • @Hathajoy8
      @Hathajoy8 Před 9 měsíci +2

      I love most of both SYL and Devin’s solo stuff! Occasionally don’t gel with an album of his, but for the most part his batting average is very high!

    • @Hathajoy8
      @Hathajoy8 Před 9 měsíci +1

      @@Luke5100 Try the Infinity album from 1998. Very unique imo

    • @zachpayne7388
      @zachpayne7388 Před 9 měsíci +4

      ​@@Luke5100try Ziltoid, Addicted! And Deconstruction. Pure masterpieces

    • @TheG3neralLee
      @TheG3neralLee Před 9 měsíci +3

      My favourite genre but I’m meh on Devin Townsend.

  • @kasplachproductions6198
    @kasplachproductions6198 Před 9 měsíci +286

    Finn putting on a 20 minute Rush song, listening to 5 random seconds, saying “the vocals are bad” and then shutting it off is gonna piss off so many dads and I’m here for it

    • @elaceyb
      @elaceyb Před 9 měsíci +23

      I love Rush but 2112 is just too much lol. And I don’t think anyone can claim Geddy Lee is a good vocalist 😂

    • @kasplachproductions6198
      @kasplachproductions6198 Před 9 měsíci +29

      @@elaceyb I *think* I like him. I try to imagine Rush with a more conventional sounding, “better” vocalist and just don’t know if it’d still work. And Geddy’s vocals are absolutely the template for later bands like Coheed and Cambria, The Mars Volta and the like

    • @solarwinds5114
      @solarwinds5114 Před 9 měsíci +4

      Even Rush fans can admit that

    • @crowing3886
      @crowing3886 Před 9 měsíci +6

      ​@@kasplachproductions6198exactly , you don't want any other vocalist singing rush songs. It just won't work.

    • @Rosterized
      @Rosterized Před 9 měsíci +8

      The vocals grow on you like most "weird" vocals have a tendency to do. Judging based off 5 seconds and then disregarding is stupid as fuck. If I did that I never would have gotten into mercyful fate and king diamond because I could not stand the vocals at first but it took me a few album spins to slowly grow into them and now I love them. Protest the hero falls into this too

  • @podespault
    @podespault Před 9 měsíci +14

    Mikael Akerfeldt is such a powerful growler it's otherworldly

  • @jesuisunstroopwafel
    @jesuisunstroopwafel Před 9 měsíci +163

    One thing I like about Finn is how open he is. You like something he dislikes, he will be polite to you.

    • @gengashaunt3322
      @gengashaunt3322 Před 9 měsíci +35

      Not only that but he mocks the fans of certain genres or bands like an older brother and not a bully. I used to really dislike him because sometimes he would state his opinions almost like facts but thats how many state their opinions when they believe the listener is smart enough to not have to be told something is his opinion when we know what opinions are, we should recognize it as such, and not doing so is your fault lol now hes on of my favorites. Im into hardcore more because od him too.

    • @stevenfunderburg1623
      @stevenfunderburg1623 Před 9 měsíci +5

      I know. Drives me nuts trying to set him off.

    • @DrewCheech
      @DrewCheech Před 9 měsíci +8

      @@gengashaunt3322 I wish more people understood this concept, very well stated :)

    • @tommycwills
      @tommycwills Před 9 měsíci +3

      Very true unless you’re a fan of Alkaline Trio 😂

    • @PrisPrivate
      @PrisPrivate Před 9 měsíci +3

      @@tommycwillsAs a fan of alkaline trio, his views on our fandom are way too accurate 💀

  • @DrewCheech
    @DrewCheech Před 9 měsíci +60

    I only discovered Opeth for myself 3 years ago, and they’re arguably my favorite band now. Their discography feels like a genre all it’s own

    • @butHomeisNowhere___
      @butHomeisNowhere___ Před 9 měsíci +9

      They're so fucking dynamic, it's insane. Blackwater Park has been, and I think always will be, one of my favorite albums.

    • @DrewCheech
      @DrewCheech Před 9 měsíci +1

      Agreed 100% @@butHomeisNowhere___

    • @M4ttM4n20
      @M4ttM4n20 Před 9 měsíci +9

      They are so incredible. Genuinely one of the best to ever exist. Still Life is my favorite album, following it would be Ghost Reveries. Still Life is a 10/10 masterpiece.

    • @Goose21
      @Goose21 Před 9 měsíci +5

      I love Opeth but I live in a very sunny country so I’m only in the mood to listen to them about 3 months of the year

    • @FupaTroopa69
      @FupaTroopa69 Před 9 měsíci +3

      How about that bass riff on Advent? Lol I’m jealous for anyone discovering Opeth for the first time. Miss those days

  • @schectermeister
    @schectermeister Před 9 měsíci +14

    I think prog gives something to people like me who don't just want to hear the same bands playing the shit over and over again. The complexity of the music keeps it interesting and keeps it from getting bland and repetitive.

  • @tcidebungosky9554
    @tcidebungosky9554 Před 9 měsíci +36

    As a pop punk kid before, I think what introduced me to prog rock is Coheed and Cambria. Loved their earlier albums very catchy songs and really cool prog parts. Then discovered prog metal in Tool and it took me to another world again

    • @RiggedandReady
      @RiggedandReady Před 9 měsíci +5

      Coheed definitely bridged that pop punk / post hardcore to prog pipeline for a lot of my peers as well.
      Love coheed. Prog not so much !

    • @SpartanLaserCanon
      @SpartanLaserCanon Před 7 měsíci

      Tool has more memorable songs than a lot of modern prog bands 😂

  • @kipschumm1849
    @kipschumm1849 Před 9 měsíci +12

    Not only is Devin Townsend (another Canadian) a talented musician but he has as great sense of humor, I always appreciate when great musicians don’t take theirselves too seriously

  • @Vynterchilld
    @Vynterchilld Před 9 měsíci +10

    Prog metal has to be my most beloved genre, Devin Townsend being my all-time favorite musician.

  • @mattfischer1079
    @mattfischer1079 Před 9 měsíci +24

    The Ocean Collective. I will continue to push this band because I think they are totally underrated and are the definition of progressive. Each album is a different style with new musicians. Each album is conceptual and thematic either lyrically, musically or both. They even released instrumental versions of their last 4 or 5 albums.

    • @Apollon18
      @Apollon18 Před 9 měsíci +1

      was looking in the comments for the ocean reference really. if nobody mentioned them in twitter we failed as a species!

    • @andykay2310
      @andykay2310 Před 9 měsíci

      They supported Leprous a few years back and were fantastic (despite a powercut at one point!). I've been listening to them for about a decade, it was great to see them live!

    • @mattfischer1079
      @mattfischer1079 Před 9 měsíci +1

      @@andykay2310 they played the circle bar in New Orleans touring Pelagial. They could not get the PA to work and Loic still screamed into the mic even though no one could hear a word. Mad respect!!

    • @ryanraper8082
      @ryanraper8082 Před 6 měsíci

      Just found out about the ocean a few months ago, they are so good! They have an upcoming tour that I am stoked for!

    • @HenriqueM-jh1ye
      @HenriqueM-jh1ye Před 6 měsíci

      One of my favorites bands in the moment

  • @bourbonernie9534
    @bourbonernie9534 Před 9 měsíci +24

    Porcupine Tree have been my favorite sense I was a baby. THey've pulled off so many great genres.

    • @Addede
      @Addede Před 9 měsíci +5

      Yea, they seem divicive for some reason. But i think they at least deserves a couple of songs before being written off.

  • @nclincoln01
    @nclincoln01 Před 9 měsíci +16

    Alright I’m gonna be this guy - Finn you’re killing me, go listen to almost any other PT song. It’s mostly prog and/or metal. Love your stuff :D

    • @alexobregonbauluz3304
      @alexobregonbauluz3304 Před 8 měsíci

      bro said trains is bad?!? like bro did you even listen to it?!?? but yeah he shouldve listened to bits of anethetize or foab at least

    • @mayolicious69
      @mayolicious69 Před 4 měsíci +1

      Dude didn't even listen to the album he was told to listen to 😂 And listened to like 5 seconds...

  • @rise8604
    @rise8604 Před 9 měsíci +12

    I'm glad to see Finn appreciate Devin Townsend, as he is one of my all time favorite artists, and often times Finn isn't a fan of my favs

  • @jordanjoestar8839
    @jordanjoestar8839 Před 9 měsíci +46

    Just saw Gojira and Mastadon live, and having been to 100s of metal shows, they blew the top right off my head. They performed perfectly, so much so that the sherrifs (massive outdoor show) didn't even bother doing their jobs and couldn't look away from the stage 😅. Hard to look away when you're seeing 2 of the best drummers in the world.
    3rd time seeing Gojira, so I know they are the best live, but Mastadon really did impress me.

    • @MetalGildarts
      @MetalGildarts Před 9 měsíci +3

      Seeing them on Friday, can’t wait for Gojira to melt my face, been waiting since January.

    • @willkeene661
      @willkeene661 Před 9 měsíci +2

      I'm a huge fan of both bands and saw them on the first leg of the tour and I must say, mastodon absolutely ruled the show. They came out with the heaviest deep cuts on their set.

    • @superkid325
      @superkid325 Před 9 měsíci +2

      Honestly I love Mastodon, but was so ready for some old dudes fumbling😅 but they KILLED it in Boston

    • @mastod0n1
      @mastod0n1 Před 9 měsíci +1

      ​@@willkeene661I saw them last week and I absolutely loved their setlist.

    • @taylorcooljay
      @taylorcooljay Před 9 měsíci +1

      Just saw them in Council Bluffs and it was probably the best concert I’ve been too, Mastodon was mind blowing

  • @ampsv2
    @ampsv2 Před 9 měsíci +10

    Finn saying Rush is bad made me so sad. They are one of my favorite bands

    • @blacklungmorgan5026
      @blacklungmorgan5026 Před 9 měsíci

      Yeah I love Rush and have been listening to them for about 3 years. I never thought Rush was ever doing "weird" stuff or making their songs too long (they've only done that about 3 to 4 times). To me they seemed ever influenced by the music of the time going forward. They got better, tighter, and more complex as time went on, never straying too far from their sound.

  • @joe94c
    @joe94c Před 9 měsíci +22

    If you're enjoying aviations, you should really check out Caligula's Horse... they actually do sound very similar. They're upbeat but have heavy parts

    • @csmangos
      @csmangos Před 9 měsíci

      Second that. Excellent band!

    • @Matfridt
      @Matfridt Před 9 měsíci

      Caligula's Horse is a band I respect and recognise the greatness of, but I just can't get into them. I've tried a few times, but it just doesn't work for me. If I were to try again, what album would you recommend I listen to from start to finish in order to convince me?

    • @csmangos
      @csmangos Před 9 měsíci +2

      I'd say the concept album 'In Contact'. It has far more cohesion between tracks and finishes on the 15 minute epic 'Graves'.

  • @rockmovieswithtyler1989
    @rockmovieswithtyler1989 Před 9 měsíci +23

    Sorry picked the wrong track if you wanted metal from Porcupine Tree! I recommend Blackest Eyes or Strip The Soul from In Absentia preferably the later! Heck even Wedding Nails if you want to avoid Steven Wilson's vocals! Lol Regardless you were given a terrible recommendation and you, Finn, should give them a second chance! Personally I find In Absentia and Fear of A Blank Planet there best albums in its entirety! Also I'll listen to Aviations if you do! Thanks and have a great day!

    • @mikeomatic9905
      @mikeomatic9905 Před 9 měsíci +15

      I was laughing so hard when he was skipping ahead to find the metal in PT’s least metal song

    • @burningtheevidence8038
      @burningtheevidence8038 Před 9 měsíci +6

      I like Trains...

    • @mikeomatic9905
      @mikeomatic9905 Před 9 měsíci

      @@burningtheevidence8038Trains is a fantastic song and probably in my top 3 for PT songs. But for someone interested in hearing prog metal, it would not be my first choice for sure.

    • @rockmovieswithtyler1989
      @rockmovieswithtyler1989 Před 9 měsíci +5

      @@burningtheevidence8038 I do too but Finn is a different breed it seems!

    • @rockmovieswithtyler1989
      @rockmovieswithtyler1989 Před 9 měsíci

      @@mikeomatic9905 ikr

  • @MrTchxc
    @MrTchxc Před 9 měsíci +7

    Protest the hero is criminally underrated

  • @mynameislightning6937
    @mynameislightning6937 Před 9 měsíci +8

    As a woman who enjoys Dream Theater, and have willingly bought tickets to go see them... I wasn't sure if laugh or cry at Finn's statement. Either way, I'm gonna hide at home and listen to the 12 Step Suit in peace.

  • @Werneurr
    @Werneurr Před 9 měsíci +10

    I think the Mars Volta is a great prog band.

  • @TheCondorjc
    @TheCondorjc Před 9 měsíci +13

    BTBAM, Cynic, The Dillinger Escape Plan, and Car Bomb are four shining examples of good prog metal.

    • @Matfridt
      @Matfridt Před 9 měsíci +4

      Do we really consider Car Bomb prog metal? There are proggy elements, sure, but it doesn't feel like an appropriate genre to associate them with if you get what I mean?

    • @genericname9875
      @genericname9875 Před 9 měsíci +3

      @@Matfridt I would consider them Mathcore or Math Metal

    • @Xxmax8maxxX
      @Xxmax8maxxX Před 8 měsíci +3

      TDEP and Car Bomb are definitely more Mathcore than Progressive Metal. Great bands nonetheless

    • @Matfridt
      @Matfridt Před 8 měsíci

      @@Xxmax8maxxX Completely agree, love them. The prog label just didn't sit right with me in this instance lmfao

    • @ChristopherJames1993
      @ChristopherJames1993 Před 2 měsíci

      ​@@Xxmax8maxxXDillinger definitely are mathcore. They're a hardcore band that plays weird time signatures. Not a metal band.

  • @blaze6219
    @blaze6219 Před 9 měsíci +19

    So glad Finn brought up Aviations!! Absolutely incredible band and I'm happy to see Finn sing their praises cause they Absolutely deserve it!

    • @erkpalm
      @erkpalm Před 9 měsíci +2

      🖤

    • @blaze6219
      @blaze6219 Před 9 měsíci +1

      You guys are absolutely incredible musicians 😊

    • @jacobrichards967
      @jacobrichards967 Před 9 měsíci

      I’m so confused how he listened to all those bands and trashed their vocals, and then praised Aviations. That vocal style is unbearable.

    • @blaze6219
      @blaze6219 Před 9 měsíci +2

      @jacobrichards967 Really? I guess you just arnt a fan of poppy vocals then. I think Aviations is really cool cause they have a super interesting sound that grabs a lot of influences from the world of Prog and mixes it super well with those poppy vocal melodies. Their choruses get stuck in my head like the best of music earworms.

    • @aviationsband
      @aviationsband Před 9 měsíci +2

      ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤

  • @joshwahls860
    @joshwahls860 Před 9 měsíci +2

    Kingdom from Devin for life, too. That is definitely the song to check out for an intro

    • @joshwahls860
      @joshwahls860 Před 9 měsíci

      But from protest the hero, he should have checked out Bone Marrow instead, same album, which is genius, vocals take time to get used to, but without them the song loses so much

  • @duartelucas5746
    @duartelucas5746 Před 9 měsíci +3

    Being progressive basically means everything goes.

  • @Loganisnotaloserr
    @Loganisnotaloserr Před 9 měsíci +2

    Aviations are so good I hope they blow up

  • @StonyBlazestation
    @StonyBlazestation Před 9 měsíci +7

    10:43 I saw Devin back in the skullet era and that's when I became a fan. He was touring with Strapping Young Lad at the time; I believe it was for the Alien album. Such a great show.

  • @TheMrChugger
    @TheMrChugger Před 6 měsíci +3

    You picked the lightest, least prog Porcupine Tree song possibly in their entire extensive back catalogue...

  • @bushleague3472
    @bushleague3472 Před 9 měsíci +5

    Thanks for that Aviation plug Finn, will definitely check them out more. Fav "prog" band has always been The Tea Party, best song to start with is probably The Bazaar. As much as I dont mind prog, finding ways to fit prog type concepts into shorter more accessible songs was a good idea.

    • @aviationsband
      @aviationsband Před 9 měsíci

      Oh nice! More bands to check out. Hope you’re getting a chance to spin our newest album in full. It’s finally out!

    • @bushleague3472
      @bushleague3472 Před 9 měsíci

      @@aviationsband Spinning it right now, love it!

  • @kelleyrawlings614
    @kelleyrawlings614 Před 9 měsíci +9

    I'm a big prog metal fan but I think your opinion is spot on. I listen to Animals As Leaders probably more than any other band, but they are not for everyone.

    • @karl_margs
      @karl_margs Před 9 měsíci +2

      Went to a show of theirs a few years ago and I've never been approached by more dudes in Tevas that want to talk "gear" lol

    • @kelleyrawlings614
      @kelleyrawlings614 Před 9 měsíci

      @@karl_margs lol

    • @bitesizecrayons9187
      @bitesizecrayons9187 Před 9 měsíci +1

      ​@karl_margs Happened to me at a CHON show, and these bois were especially obnoxious, shitting on the opener hard and saying the guitarist was lucky to have parents that bought him a Music Man.
      Prog and technical music in general is my favorite, I love gear (though at a show I'm more about.. enjoying live music.. lol) but things like that made the image people have of gatekeepers so much more relatable.

  • @nehemiah1098
    @nehemiah1098 Před 9 měsíci +11

    I love dream theater because that was my first metal band I ever heard. I was like 5 singing pull me under in school lol

    • @stevenfunderburg1623
      @stevenfunderburg1623 Před 9 měsíci +2

      That was the first metal band you ever heard. You literally heard no Iron Maiden, Megadeth, Metallica or even early Motley Crue or Dio? Seriously? That's your story and your sticking to it? As a 5 year old, who is supplying you with access to Dream Theater?... but NOT Metallica?

    • @nehemiah1098
      @nehemiah1098 Před 9 měsíci

      @@stevenfunderburg1623 that's my dad favorite band he doesn't really listen to other metal bands like you listed. So yes that is my story .

    • @stevenfunderburg1623
      @stevenfunderburg1623 Před 9 měsíci

      @@nehemiah1098 👍

  • @bennymountain1
    @bennymountain1 Před 9 měsíci +7

    Sick, I love all those bands! Though I gotta say, turning in my V-card was an uphill battle to say the least.

  • @KMFDM781
    @KMFDM781 Před 9 měsíci +7

    Dev is probably my all time favorite artist. Every album sounds different and even though I'm not as crazy about his most recent stuff that has almost a Christian rock vibe which isn't my thing, I still think he's a genius. Namaste is what got my attention and that song fucks hard. Ocean Machine, Terria, Physicist and Infinity are all masterpieces.

  • @jamescurran6277
    @jamescurran6277 Před 9 měsíci +3

    That was actually a very good Alex Jones impersonation.

  • @ghost_to_a_ghost
    @ghost_to_a_ghost Před 9 měsíci +4

    Devin Townsend's voice is fucking aces, too. like he is legit a good singer. not my preferred vocal style but any who denies he has a good voice is lying to themselves.

  • @SpawnOfOden
    @SpawnOfOden Před 9 měsíci +5

    Aviations - A Declaration Of Sound is one of the best EP's of all time. So catchy, and so heavy at the same time. They are AMAZING

    • @aviationsband
      @aviationsband Před 9 měsíci

      damn that’s so cool you’ve been with us that long! Hope you’re vibing with the new album! It’s been a long time coming and has some themes in there from A Declaration of Sound if you listen close ❤

  • @andreiscovers
    @andreiscovers Před 9 měsíci +10

    Great Video. I agree with most of this. I grew up in the prog scene due to my dad. But I ended up venturing out after going to one too many boring shows (e.g. Seeing Dream Theater's The Astonishing live is still my worst live music experience). Now years later as a dedicated slam and crabcore fan, I will every so often revisit some prog stuff that I used to listen to. Most of the bands that I still like put strong hooks and good songwriting before the prog-ism (e.g. Leprous not doing solos for most of their recent albums as it would not fit the songs, rather than needlessly forcing in it *coughcough Dream Theater coughcough*). So yeah, like in any other genre, for me strong and memorable hooks with good songwriting should come first, everything else is just an embellishment to the song. On this note, 80's King Crimson, especially Discipline is the best.

    • @apoplexiamusic
      @apoplexiamusic Před 9 měsíci +1

      I fully agree with this comment. I used to really be into prog rock and prog metal, but after a while it got tedious and boring. I’ve been enjoying this trend of bands making really proggy songs but in shorter, more standard song lengths. It forces them to actually use the best ideas to their full potential in a supercharged format, rather than make it intellectual masturbation.

  • @andrewcarlson1896
    @andrewcarlson1896 Před 9 měsíci +12

    With some of the bands mentioned in this video, The Mars Volta should've been included. Better at prog metal than bands which are exclusively of that genre.

  • @cygnusinfinity5126
    @cygnusinfinity5126 Před 7 měsíci +2

    Okay, so I'm more of a Prog/power kinda guy. I came into this video with completely different expectations to what wound up being the focus. Like, I'd heard most of these names ('cept for Aviations and they seem really sick!) but the only bands I actively listen to of the set are Rush and Dream theater. 2112 is not even close to heavy by today's standards, but I mean, it's fast approaching 50 years old! It's often grandfathered in because it's success in it's time is the proof that sometimes when you ignore what's proven to work and make the art you want to make, it can find success. Of course, can does not mean will, or necessarily should. A lot of the art that people put genuine time, effort, and emotion into is garbage. To ignore that is to fall victim to survivorship bias.
    I totally get the question of "is it still prog if it's formulaic?" and have seen a number of bands I enjoy become all too formulaic after finding success with something. I think what I enjoy the most is when musicians are making the music *they* want rather than what they think other people want. Some of it is... Extremely cheesy. But, I can enjoy that too. I think there's genuinely a treasure trove of fantastic prog metal beyond just the surface level, but as with all art, you need to sift through the trash to find it.

  • @reaper6766
    @reaper6766 Před 9 měsíci +7

    Like hearing your takes! I would've recommended Cult of Luna - Eternal Kingdom and The Ocean - Pelagial

  • @dinothegonzo
    @dinothegonzo Před 9 měsíci +3

    Hey, Finn! Thanks for bringing up Aviations. Safehouse is such an absolute banger so I checked the rest of their catalog. I've never been this excited about prog since BTBAM's Colors came out.

    • @aviationsband
      @aviationsband Před 9 měsíci +1

      So kind of you to say ❤ hope you’ve been enjoying the new album we just released this weekend. So many folks are vibing with it it’s awesome to see 🎉

    • @aviationsband
      @aviationsband Před 9 měsíci +1

      Also colors is the goat

  • @robertocozzi7306
    @robertocozzi7306 Před 9 měsíci +4

    I think Dream Theatre perfectly embody the evolution of prog metal as a genre: the started with amazing, heartfelt songs and, over many years of career, moved to guirar exercises for people who want to improve their skills
    I also suggest you Ne Obliviscaris "Portal of I" and "Citadel" and Rivers of Nihil "Where owls know my name"

  • @trowa9960
    @trowa9960 Před 9 měsíci +3

    I love prog and heavily technical music, but I also love simple, quick and aggressive punk. No one has to take sides on this. You can love both. Dream theaters 'Count of Tuscany' is an amazing song, and so it Minor Threats 'Minor Threat' song. They are nothing like each other. Love'em both. It's also okay to not enjoy something. There shouldn't be any shame around your taste in music.

  • @jonnitti1
    @jonnitti1 Před 9 měsíci +1

    That behold the arctopus video truly is tragic lmfaooo I'm glad you played it

  • @tickandslug
    @tickandslug Před 9 měsíci +6

    Prog music isnt bad and I like a lot of it. I love gojira and listened to toxic garbage island on repeat after it came out. My main issue with it is that the fans are among the most condescending people I have met. They talk down to you for not knowing what song was written by the bum under the bridge on september the 18th of 1987 at exactly 4:32 pm. Last time I was at a hardcore show a man who im sure paid to get in just to talk shit about everyone there sat at the bar and told me that it must be nice to be able to be entertained by music so simple.

  • @timothyrockwell5742
    @timothyrockwell5742 Před 2 měsíci +2

    "Listen to Fear of a Blank Planet by Porcupine Tree"
    "You got it!" Listens to Trains off a different album.
    Lmao

  • @craigmahaney4369
    @craigmahaney4369 Před 9 měsíci +1

    That was dream theaters only "hit song". They do have a bunch of other great songs. In fact their best of cd was called Greatest hit and 20 other pretty cool songs.

  • @JamesKnoerl
    @JamesKnoerl Před 9 měsíci

    Thanks for the Aviations love ❤❤❤

  • @bullsheets6151
    @bullsheets6151 Před 9 měsíci +2

    Rishloo - Feathergun in the Garden of the Sun.

  • @MichaelSheaAudio
    @MichaelSheaAudio Před 9 měsíci +3

    Protest the Hero is one of my favourite bands. I love Rush too, but I think they have more bad songs than good ones. It sounds like you're not into Canadian guys with soaring voices. I understand why people might be put off by it at first, similar to harsh vocals, but it's something you come to love over time. Rody, the vocalist of Protest the Hero, reminds me a bit of Bruce Dickinson but much more animated. His vocals are very fluid, like he slides all over the place and has an intense vibrato. He fits the band well because while the music is quirky, so is he. His vocals are as progressive as the music he sings over, rather than having really complex music with fairly simple and poppy vocals.
    To me, they only write hooks instrumentally and vocally, the music is beautiful, and the lyrics can also be just as good and they've touched on tons of topics over the past 20 years. And since they have a background in punk, a lot of those topics are social and political issues, but they also cover lots of other things as well.
    Their most recent album Palimpsest is probably the most accessible of their albums since there's more conventional songwriting and fewer off-the-wall weird parts, but still very technical and catchy. There are plenty of bands with weird voices that we put up with, NOFX being one of my other favourites, so this is just one of those situations. XD

  • @SirSiegward
    @SirSiegward Před 9 měsíci +2

    Speaking of Music by guitarists for guitarists, would you ever cover anything from BucketHead? Not a band, but an artist I’d enjoy watching a classic PRMBA deep dive on.

  • @domchan3578
    @domchan3578 Před 9 měsíci

    Was literally thinking to myself I wanted you to make another prog video today

  • @ChrisCoignet
    @ChrisCoignet Před 9 měsíci +1

    Oh dang Aviations is awesome (yet another discovery through Finn)! If you like this, have you heard/ do you like Body Thief?

    • @aviationsband
      @aviationsband Před 9 měsíci +1

      We almost toured with them. Good friends and a great band ❤

  • @The_Soulbutcher
    @The_Soulbutcher Před 9 měsíci +3

    Another band you should have checked out is Ne Obliviscaris. They are the only newer prog band that gets me excited whenever I hear them.

  • @midnightchaseproject
    @midnightchaseproject Před 9 měsíci +1

    As a French Canadian the "Protest the Hero is making the frogs gay" line is pretty smart.

  • @gelasson
    @gelasson Před 6 měsíci +2

    Finn: Prog bad
    Also Finn in a "Prog Bad" video: all of those prog bands are great, everyone is so talanted, it's incredible, but in general prog bad, although I won't show a single bad song
    Also Aviations sounds like Thank You Scientist.

  • @extaxt9847
    @extaxt9847 Před 9 měsíci +1

    Carbomb is a progression from rather than being purely derivative of what Meshuggah achieved with timing/polyrhythms

  • @kelleyrawlings614
    @kelleyrawlings614 Před 9 měsíci +5

    Devin is the only person that could make albums based on a coffee loving alien bent on universal domination lol.

  • @ericpirillo7363
    @ericpirillo7363 Před 9 měsíci

    There’s great moments. Like I find dream theater too clean sounding but the Tuscany song and others is incredible

  • @PhantomLoco13
    @PhantomLoco13 Před 9 měsíci +2

    "Deadwing" would've been a better choice for Porcupine Tree imo as well as being an amazing record.

  • @Mantis.Sartinoli
    @Mantis.Sartinoli Před 9 měsíci +4

    To be fair, the argument "great prog metal is great, but there is so much mediocre shit" applies to almost everything. Obviously there are the great bands that are trailblazers and then waves and waves of copycats, but I don't think it's fair to judge a subgenre by saying "the genre is bad because the copycats are bad". I personally feel attracted to the most important/relevant bands of different subgenres of metal (and not even their whole discographies), only in some cases I dig deeper and deeper to find hidden gems. Does that make me a poser? Maybe, but that's the way I've found I enjoy music the most.

  • @danieldutra9281
    @danieldutra9281 Před 7 měsíci +1

    You should give Rush a second try. They were the ones who laid the groundwork for prog metal. Geddy Lee's vocals are an acquired taste.

  • @amplifymysound
    @amplifymysound Před 9 měsíci +3

    I am now a fan of aviations. Thanks Finn. Never came across them

    • @aviationsband
      @aviationsband Před 9 měsíci

      That’s so sick ❤❤❤❤ come hang out with us! NEW ALBUM STREAM TOMORROW at 7pm EST on our YT and Twitch 🎉

  • @candidfresnofilms.2374
    @candidfresnofilms.2374 Před 9 měsíci +1

    I’m at that point where I’m a burnout uncle and currently I’m customizing my van. Well played.

  • @thedappermagician6905
    @thedappermagician6905 Před 9 měsíci +1

    That Aviations song was pretty dope but honestly the song itself is like Protest the Hero with less gain and a blue eyed soul/pop punk singer.
    Oh. Its Dance Gavin Dance.

  • @nickmaestas8441
    @nickmaestas8441 Před 9 měsíci +1

    Awww man i love prog, Persefone is a highly underrated prog/tech death band

  • @muenchhausenmusic
    @muenchhausenmusic Před 9 měsíci +2

    When Finn suddenly busts out these channeled characters, like the strip club announcer in the Nickelback vid or the deep state concpiracy theorist here, oh my God XD

    • @oopsydaizi3s824
      @oopsydaizi3s824 Před 9 měsíci

      Or his pantera fan *FUCKIN HELL YEAH BROTHER TURN THAT SHIT UP* always makes me laugh.

  • @xXeddie92Xx
    @xXeddie92Xx Před 7 měsíci

    yes. yes there is. it's basically 3/4 of my music library.

  • @alexneill8338
    @alexneill8338 Před 9 měsíci +2

    Audience: "You should check out Porcupine Tree who are partially influenced by prog metal, among many other styles."
    Finn: (listens to 10 seconds of a random song with an acoustic guitar intro) "THis iSn'T ProOG MetAL I dON'T LIKE it BOOOOOO"

  • @ALBUMHUNTERS
    @ALBUMHUNTERS Před měsícem +1

    An Abstract Illusion's album Woe is like Opeth on Steroids. More heavy, more melodic, and more flow between songs, like movements in a symphony. Listen to them. Similar to the Rush 2112 epic.

  • @ericv7720
    @ericv7720 Před 9 měsíci +1

    The only riff salads I like are brutal death metal riff salads - then again, they're all only three-minute riff salads!

  • @MattyWhiteOfficial69
    @MattyWhiteOfficial69 Před 9 měsíci +3

    I’m surprised no one recommended the band Fates Warning they are considered one of the “big 3” of the genre

    • @rev9737
      @rev9737 Před 9 měsíci +2

      better than bands like gojira and periphery by a landslide.

  • @greasybumpkin1661
    @greasybumpkin1661 Před 9 měsíci +3

    I never heard Protest before but to me your clip sounded similar to Sikth, so idk if they fulfill the mantel of "progressing" the genre

    • @particlejim
      @particlejim Před 9 měsíci

      Protest The Hero is just a poor man's Sikth imo, Sikth absolutely shits all over PTH in every way

  • @Eternal420ninja
    @Eternal420ninja Před 9 měsíci

    Finn thanks for showing me Aviations this band is badass!

  • @vonsopas
    @vonsopas Před 9 měsíci +1

    I gotta say, I love prog rock very much to call myself a fan, but find very hard to really like prog metal stuff other than the odd Opeth songs. I am in with you on this one (again)

  • @user-vr5mi2km5e
    @user-vr5mi2km5e Před 9 měsíci +1

    13:25 When I hear 'progressive buttrock' I instantly think A7X 😂

  • @bopper989
    @bopper989 Před 9 měsíci +1

    aviations seriously reminds me of the first "time, the valuator" album

    • @aviationsband
      @aviationsband Před 9 měsíci +1

      That record was so sick❤ hope you’re enjoying our new album that just dropped!

  • @DillSkin
    @DillSkin Před 9 měsíci

    Thank you for shouting out aviations. So underrated

  • @SamboFlux
    @SamboFlux Před 8 měsíci +1

    For me, The Ocean collective, Tesseract, Textures, Voyager are all top notch. The last 3 Textures albums before they split up were incredible, the new TesseracT is a straight up masterpiece, and Voyagers Ghost Mile is one of my top 5 albums. The new Voyager Fearless in Love is also absolutely stonking.

  • @dbgrfdg
    @dbgrfdg Před 9 měsíci +1

    even prog fans hate most prog music. They just have a couple of favorite bands who's discography they listen to enough times, to acquire a taste for it

  • @metalsoad11
    @metalsoad11 Před 9 měsíci +1

    Finn missed talking about native construct "quiet world" that dudes dropped one of the greatest prog metal albums of all time!

  • @Posirep
    @Posirep Před 9 měsíci +3

    Need some Intronaut or The Ocean Collective...
    Y'all were sleeping on Aviations. They slap.
    Maybe not really metal but definitely have metal parts but Thank You Scientist is incredible with what they do

  • @pandabearguy1
    @pandabearguy1 Před 9 měsíci +2

    I do like Opeth (mostly Still Life and Blackwater Park)

  • @Felipe..Vieira
    @Felipe..Vieira Před 9 měsíci

    bro, i LOVE aviations
    been following these guys for like 10 years or so, they are so underrated and underground, but in terms of songwritting quality they are up there along with chon and polyphia, or even bands like TTNG and tricot, it blows me away how the "industry" ignores these guys

  • @k.h.1587
    @k.h.1587 Před 9 měsíci

    Those jars in the dream theater video looked like vacuum tubes to me

  • @jbones9308
    @jbones9308 Před 9 měsíci +2

    In order to learn to like prog metal you have to listen to a list of about 20 songs in their entirety. I hope you cleared your schedule for the next year

  • @jasonstevenson85
    @jasonstevenson85 Před 9 měsíci +1

    The Aviations were a nice introduction for me today, but I can't not mention Satyr from ATL. Those kids are great imo, in a similar vein. Their new album "Totem" is great start to finish.

    • @aviationsband
      @aviationsband Před 9 měsíci

      We’ve played with Satyr and our drummer toured with them SUCH A SICK BAND. ❤

  • @NickJardine
    @NickJardine Před 9 měsíci +1

    The Canadian radio thing you are referring to is called CanCon law. As of 1999, about 40% of music broadcast between 6am-6pm on Canadian airwaves must be Canadian made. As a canadian I personally love this. It gives local music to our country a fighting chance to reach the masses rather than just piggybacking off of the popular music in the US

    • @sawyerlachance1300
      @sawyerlachance1300 Před 9 měsíci +1

      I mean, you guys have given the world some of the biggest artists in basically every genre

  • @sweetgregt
    @sweetgregt Před 9 měsíci +1

    All the love for Aviations and what they're doing

  • @Xankill3r
    @Xankill3r Před 7 měsíci

    I completely agree with you on the distinction between original prog as an idea and current prog as a strict genre. In fact Jeff Wagner in his book "Mean Deviation: Four Decades of Progressive Heavy Metal" makes a distinction between Prog Metal and progressive metal. Where one has become a strict genre with very specific stylings and the other is more of an attitude in terms of composition where bands try to do new things. I don't remember which was which - maybe the capital P one is the strict genre and progressive metal was the attitude one?
    It's not that one is strictly better music than the other, just that there is a distinction that can be made between the two "styles".
    PS: I actually like the vocal style that Protest the Hero have going. Sounds very "fresh" to the "I seek new progressive expressive music" in me. Similar to why I love Oranssi Pazuzu - extremely different from PtH in terms of actual musical style.

  • @MSHNKTRL
    @MSHNKTRL Před 9 měsíci

    *Om* makes me want to be that burnout living in a van down by the skatepark

  • @artyfowl444
    @artyfowl444 Před 9 měsíci +1

    THANK YOU for finally fucking with Aviations, they slap

    • @aviationsband
      @aviationsband Před 9 měsíci +1

      Finn is our new best friend for life ❤ NEW ALBUM STREAM TOMORROW at 7pm EST on our YT and Twitch 🎉

    • @erkpalm
      @erkpalm Před 9 měsíci +1

      🫡

  • @ZL1LoVeR
    @ZL1LoVeR Před 9 měsíci +1

    Fun fact, the bassist for Aviations is also the bassist for Monuments

    • @aviationsband
      @aviationsband Před 9 měsíci

      He is our god, we are not worthy 😂, hope you’re enjoying the new music we just dropped!

  • @iii5091
    @iii5091 Před 7 měsíci +1

    13:20 "uuuh! this is not good" 😂

  • @apl2606
    @apl2606 Před 9 měsíci

    Right. We need a "Prog Metal's Greatest Hits" playlist. No way I sit through all those albums to find them myself.

  • @baloymoisesrodriguezcolmen7812

    I love trains so bad, I listened to that song for first time in an old memory card that came in a phone I bought, it was life changing

  • @bazookaman1353
    @bazookaman1353 Před 9 měsíci +2

    As a proghead, the first stage of liking prog is thinking it's pretentious gibberish.
    A couple months later and it was my favourite genre.

    • @SirSiegward
      @SirSiegward Před 9 měsíci

      I really dislike most of prog, but that makes sense. Kinda like when you first get into metal, punk, or hardcore, you slowly grow accustomed to the abrasive nature of it.