More round bar twists - ornamental ironwork
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- čas přidán 16. 04. 2018
- Lets take another look at some options for round bar twists. Today we will try chiseled lines, forged into a triangle swedge and squished under some ball tools. then twisted. (three different twists)
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“This one is quite bizarre“, LMAO! Thanks John you’re the best.
Man John you sure have a lot of nice tools to play with ! I mean work with!
Great that even with all your experience you are still learning and trying new things ;D
After watching this video, I made a 60-degree sledge block then used it to create a triangular section on round bar that I twisted. Forged that into a handle for a fireplace sweep broom that my wife loved - WIN!
Those are really cool twists! As usual, you have outdone yourself! I love it! Thanks, John!
To find out exactly were the three lines should be, you could weld a nut in the end of the rod then it will not roll around, and you have 3 or six lines! :-)
Good idea
Thanks
Even though I'm not (yet) a smith, I really enjoy your channel because I think you are a gifted teacher. This was a fun project! I really like the ball squish, it bears some additional experimentation, maybe a regular skip pattern of continuously formed material (like an extrusion) and natural material.
My suggestion for finding the center on a round bar is to clamp it to a table, and with a hardened square flat on the table and touching the bar, scrape it down the side of the bar. That puts a shiny spot straight down the middle.
A useful tip for dividing round stock is to put two wraps of paper around the bar, then use a knife to slice through both pieces of paper. You'll get one piece which is exactly the circumference of the bar. Then you can simply fold that piece into the number of divisions which you want to make.
We're naturally good at even numbered divisions (halves, quarters, eighths), but also thirds since we fold letters that way all the time. If you can do thirds, you can do sixths by halving each division. It is harder to do more divisions or odd increments, in which case you might need to measure or use dividers to mark out even spaces.
You'd want to mark the divisions with pen/pencil, then re-wrap it around the bar (maybe with some tape to keep it indexed) then punch the divisions onto the work. Obviously, you'd do this cold. :)
Good sugestion
Not a smith yet....John S ask all to be safe.I just started before Christmas. Loving it but beware of "Hot" get mill gloves and glasses first .Take care and welcome.
I'm really loving the washed out triangle twist. That totally took me by surprise.
I wasn't sure what to expect either
The steel ball bearing was very cool looking. Thank you for posting videos. You're very informative, i'm learning a lot. Keep up the great work!
John- I appreciate your videos- you inspire me!!!! Great tip with decorating your shop with the samples, and have them within sight to reproduce when needed. I really appreciate you and your channel!!!
i love the round ball flypress that is a great pattern
It gave me some ideas for variations on the theme
thats good to know
that's the coolest looking one imo
Love seeing the different ideas! Thanks John!
Thanks John, Appreciate the instruction
Great video John. Thank you!
I was surprised at the outcome. I appreciate your time and videos. Thank you have a great day.
Thanks John for another informative video. Especially liked the steel ball effect, could be a nice addition to making bamboo or other branching jobs.
Round ball twist... WOW... liked it best.
Thanks for the quick reply
Optional ways to add flare to your work! Thank you sir.
I loved the triangle and the ball ones. Imagine all the different types of triangles you could play with, I think that sharper edges might leave nice lines where you might not expect... thank you for how you're doing your videos.
I think they're all pretty cool.
Cool ideas
Thanks mate. Great video.
I love experimenting with round stock. Have a rivet header punch that'll make some interesting patterns. Made an equilateral triangle punch for figuring the stock that was sweet too
Some cool variations there.
That was a bunch of twists ! The one with the ball jig was very interesting ! I wish I had the money for a fly press and the single hit press ! Keep Hammering. ,
Thanks John loved all three but I really liked the one under the fly press pretty cool, I think you should try as Alec Steele calls it a fuller swage, a fuller with a small round bar drove down the middle of it, I have one I made for making the veins on leaves, keep the videos coming awesome as usual
Thankyou. This was very interesting :)
Calling that the teabag twist.
i saw a twist with a reverse twist afterwards. it had a pretty good look
All of those looked good, but it would be interesting to see how someone would incorporate the last one into a project
That last one would be good for a handle of some sort
if you use the ballshammer and do a line not single hubs than you get a nice option too
Grüße für Thüringen (germany)
Very Good instruction !
Thanks
That was what I was trying to suggest (what you did with the fly-press), I was just finding it difficult to express it in text format. It didn’t turn out how I thought, but thanks for the video!
I'm glad it showed what you were thinking of.
I like that ball press that was very cool pattern I'm going to have to try that with my little manual hydraulic press but I have to admit the tooling look very painful 🤣🔨on
Hi John I live in N. Ireland and retired last Christmas. My main trade was joinery but I make knives and small woodworking tool as a hobby. I grew up between two blacksmiths so recently I have been training in basic blacksmithing. I found you CZcams channel a few weeks ago and I really love your style and ethos. On a side note you remind me on my late father in law who passed away a couple of years ago. Like you he lived in outside Denver. So thank you for taking the time to share your skills honestly it has inspired me a lot, even to try again with my video cameras to record my work and share what I make. I also want to have something for my kids to look at when I depart this life. I am not sure if it is allowed for me to share my Facebook or new website I launched this week but if it is and you would like to see my interests, let me know. Not sure how that is done. Kind regards, Hugo Dale.
Yes you may share the link. I am glad you are finding the videos helpful.
triangle with lines chiseled into the sides would be interesting.
I will try round bar .First make it oval then ,The lizard twist.
I am new, but I did a good lizard twist on 3/4" square bar
I think if it works ,I thinking it will be easier and it being oval will be easier to bend into curves.
Some nice interesting patterns there, I wonder what a chisel cut square bar would come out like, might give it a go just to see
There are many variations of chiseled bar twists.
czcams.com/video/dvdlv-JOygc/video.html
I am really liking this goofing around/experimenting that you are doing John. I had no idea that twisting round bars could be so interesting. At 11:17 when you give us a close look at the triangle there are some flaws in the pattern. Do you know what caused them? That one is my favorite and I plan to use it in an upcoming project. I see a jig too. A piece of 3/8s X 1 1/2 angle as long as my bed standing on the corner with a hardy welded on the outside corner to keep it there. I reckon that will help hold the round bar and give me two straight lines to keep my eye squared away. Thank you for opening yet another door.
I think the flaws you are seeing are from a false start in a 90 degree V swedge instead of the 60 degree V swedge I should have been in for a triangle.
I wonder if it's possible to forge a hold-fast with a rounded foot that would look sort of like a top fuller, and fashion a bottom fuller, longer maybe that would sit lengthwise on the anvil. It could be shallow; just deep enough to steady the work. That way you could pull the bar out of the forge, place it in the bottom fuller, tap the hold-fast into place, then go to work on the piece. What do you think? I like the chisel cut and I bet a little fuller work in the groove to spread it just a little would look cool too. Thanks!
I had thought of something like that, but didn't think these tests were worth making any new tooling. If i were to do a batch of them It would be worth the time to make special tools.
John, sir, I commend you on the ability to make it all the way through the final bar without losing it. So many times my 12 year old inner child laughed at missed ball jokes.
I did like all three twists and look forward to some other versions in the future. I wonder if doing just the two chisel lines and twisting it further would give the same effect without the worry of trying to space out 3 lines equally? I think I have some 1/2” round laying around, if I can get my vise project done this week I might try that out.
I almost didn't do that twist, just to avoid any of those jokes, after all I am trying to keep it clean. I thik two lines and twisting an extra turn might look the same.
The nutsack fullers came out interesting. I wonder if it would have become stretched ovals with them repeated closer. That profile, with maybe longer, cylindrical dies would be sweet to fuller a Fairbarn Sikes Dagger profile!
13:27 hehe
I was searching through the comments because I knew I wasn't the only one who was amused. A little disturbing too.
Thanks John,like all the twist u made.don't know a source for a cheap fly press
I sure don't. I am sure they are out there if you are on an area that had an industrial use for them.
Hold fast with a round over foot either perpendicular or parallel to the anvil
It would need to work with the bottom swedge to keep from forging a flat
against the anvil. In reality Having a bottom swedge in the treadle
hammer with a handled hot cut would leave the tong hand to control the
work.
John what about a half round welded to your hold to keep it rolling off the anvil
It would need to work with the bottom swedge to keep from forging a flat against the anvil. In reality Having a bottom swedge in the treadle hammer with a handled hot cut would leave the tong hand to control the work.
Late finding this one.
But it's still a treasure worth finding.
Thank you John for sharing.
Just wonder if one could use the guiatine tool for some of these like the bearing one...though the guiatine tooo would have to front face open or better yet probably have a side face removable to slide the bottom tool and the top tool in...well that may require some more thought. But I'm betting you've already got the answer. It would make a useful alternative to a fly press since most of us dont have one and probably cant get one.
Oh wait what about a hardy mounted spring swedge w 4 balls on top and 4 balls on bottom? That could prove the most easy fix...easier than a swing front guiatine tool.
Idk your way smarter than I!!!😁
Blessed days sirSir, Crawford out
With the right dies a guillotine tool can make lots of this stuff easier.
@@BlackBearForge thank you sirSir, I'm still trying to figure out how I want to make it. Thank you again.
Blessed days sirSir, Crawford out
Yin & yang twist on the last one
John FYI, Congenital smiths have 3 arms. ROFL
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could you do that with hex bar?? looks that would be a nice twist to try
Hex bar results in some very interesting twists
@@BlackBearForge would be nice to show us some twists in hex bar
i am totally a mature adult...